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Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:13 pm

This morning my daugther, the oldest one in my troups of Falcons, went in for a 10:30am surgery for a chipped bone in her left ankle. She hurt it during summer band practice, but being a tried and true squad leader in the H.S. band, she got through the year before having the surgery.

Basically, the surgery was to simply remove the chip, and then let it heal. The doctor let us know ahead of time it might not be that simple, as sometimes, MRI's don't always tell the story-or can blow the story out of proportion, as it is.

The surgery was supposed to take an hour. It took about four. There was some debris left from the bone chip that he couldn't get at, so another incision had to be made through the other side of her leg, drilling small holes into a few bones, and then inserting some pins to loosen the debris, then have it sucked out. So, it was a bit more complicated than they thought.

Wait, it gets worse....

It took her a while to wake up-by the time she did, I had left the hospital, as I had to get home to meet the boys off their busses from school. My wife called and said she was starting to wake up, and that they were going to get her up and give her "crutch lessons."

Well, shortly after that, my wife calls me back, and says her heart started to beat very rapidly, and that they couldn't get it to slow down-the heartbeat went from like 110 beats per minute to over 185 bmp, in a matter of seconds, and it would not slow down. She said they were taking her to ICU, but that she was not in any discomfort, and the doctors were working on the problem.

Well, tonight was also my youngest sons' Christmas recital, and my wife assured me I could go to that, and then come to visit my daughter afterwards, so at 7pm, I watched his 2nd grade class, the 4th grade class and the 6th grade class do their singing, had a blast, and then dropped him and his older brother off at my parents' house, and went into the hospital. There my wife gave me the scoop on what had happened.

After she talked to me, they took my daughter down to ICU, and tried several different things to get her heart to slow down, with no luck. So, they went with something that, had I known about at the time (or that my wife had known at the time) was going to happen, I'd had dropped everything and gone there.

They came to the conclusion that they would give her a medication that would literally stop her heart for about 10-15 seconds, then extract the medication, and have the heart start up again. And, you can guess, they had all kind of people there just in case her heart didn't start back up. Well, the proceedure did go well, and her hearts started right back up, Thank God. It dropped her heart rate to around 120, and by the time I got there, it was averaging below 110 per minute, so while the heart rate is a little high, it's not going nuts like it did before.

I did get to see her late this evening, and she looks fine, just very tired, as she's been through a lot today. I'll prolly find out more tomorrow, as they're still not sure what made her heart rate shoot way up the way it did. But suffice to say, it was enough to turn me a bit ashen when I heard what they did.

My wife is spending the night with her, and I'll go there in the morning after the boys are at school.

Suffice to say, a difficult day at the Falcon household.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:19 pm

Wow, talk about a wild ride. Best of luck to you and the family Falcon!

Keep us all posted. I wish you all the best.
 
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Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:21 pm

Wow, what a day, and I thought my finals were rough. If she is anything like her old man, I'm sure she will come out on top and better than before. I will say a prayer for you and your family tonight, and please keep us updated as you see fit!
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:24 pm

I hope it all works out! All my best to you and your family, and I hope that the worst of this day is all in the past.

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:24 pm

Wow dude, sorry to hear that.

Perhaps it's just an adverse reaction to some medication and after her body works through it her heart rate will slow to normal. Let us know.
Good to hear she made it through surgery though, find the good in these things.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:27 pm

Wow, one hell of a crappy day for your daughter. Hope she recovers soon, she will be in my prayers and keep us updated.

EDIT: How old is your daughter?

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:29 pm

WOW! Go in for a simple procedure and then this. Well I hope the doctors find out what it is, and it is nothing to much. That has got to be frightening knowing what they did. Stoping her heart and caring out what they did is a true testement to the advances the medical feild has seen. Glad everything so far seems to be looking good after that procedure. I hope for the best for your dauther and the rest of your family.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:29 pm

 Wow!

Well, I recall you telling me she was going to have surgery, but I guessed it would be routine . . . .

Glad things seem to be settling down though. I'm sure she'll be fine. It isn't fun with the kiddies in the hospital. Been there, done that.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:32 pm

Wow..what a day. Glad to hear that she is doing fine now. All the best to you and your family.

Must have been an adverse reaction to some medication...or maybe the surgeons nicked or cut something that shouldn't have been nicked or cut.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:45 pm

Very sorry to be hearing this, Falcon. I sure hope that this was a one-time occurence for your daughter. You and your family have my best wishes from down here.

One question - have the doctors considered the possibilty she had this reaction due to the method of anaesthesia used?




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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:46 pm

Wow, what a day for her, yourself and the whole family.

I'm glad everything seems to have settled itself down now!
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:57 pm

Best Wishes to you and your daughter.
 
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:04 pm

Wow, Falcon... quite the little trooper you have there! At least she'll always have a great story to tell!


Glad to hear everything is returning to normal and everything is ok. Just in time for the Falcon family to have a nice holiday season!

Best wishes to you and your family!

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:13 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
summer band practice

Ouch. Hate that stuff, summer band. What instrument is she? Im hoping that shes a member of the few, the proud, the trombones.  

Sorry for you, what you, your wife, and your daughter had to go through, my thoughts and prayers are with you.

Have a Merry Christmas Falcon!! even though you are a cretinous, liberal commy red. just kiddin       

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:25 pm

Glad to hear everything turned out well. Hopefully, the anesthesiology/nurse anesthetist will have found out what (I'm guessing an anesthetic) caused this problem so she can avoid this problem in the future.

Just wondering, how old is she?

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 9):

One question - have the doctors considered the possibilty she had this reaction due to the method of anaesthesia used?

Most likely, I'd guess. I don't see why orthopedic surgery would cause tachycardia like that.

Its funny that people always make a big deal of meeting the surgeon prior to the date of surgery when they don't even think of meeting the anesthesiologist/nurse anesthetist until a half an hour before the surgery. A lot of people don't realize what a big deal anesthesia actually it is.

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:29 pm

Sorry to hear what you guys had to go through. My prayers go
out to your family and for your daughters speedy recovery.

I have a nephew who's scheduled to have kidney surgery on Monday,
so I have an idea what you are going through.

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:47 pm

Best wishes for your daughter. If you need anything, you know how to get ahold of me, I'm not TOO far away..

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:13 pm

Sounds like a long day for all of you.

May you all recover quickly.
 
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:29 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 14):
Most likely, I'd guess. I don't see why orthopedic surgery would cause tachycardia like that.

I'm no doctor, but perhaps her body couldn't handle the mix, the mix used for the anesthesia wasn't right when they used it to wake her up or perhaps an undiagnosed heart condition was involved.

I too had problems with a full anesthesia. I had surgery once, when I was 9 or 10 years old (for personal reasons, I don't want to talk about what kind of surgery it was), and they had to put me under full anesthesia for the procedure. I went to sleep and next thing I knew, I was awake and found myself throwing up for at least 20 or 30 minutes. I guess in my case, my body couldn't handle it and I got to feel some of the side effects of the anesthesia, which could be the same thing in her case, although on a worse scale with the tachycardia.

Nevertheless, it's very sad when a simple routine procedure ends up with any kind of serious complications. Falcon84, I wish your daughter a quick recovery and your family the best in these times. Let's hope this doesn't happen again.

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:33 pm

Wow....what an unexpected mess....

Having had anthesia before, I know that while it is a miracle drug in that it makes surgery painless, it is more of an art than a science to use it correctly...

Hopefully CO isn't giving you any bit of a hassle about the time off from work!
 
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Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:43 pm

Sorry to hear about what you are going though. Hope she has a speedy recovery.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:14 am

I appreciate all the sentiments that everyone has put in here so far. It means a lot.

My daughter is home now, her ankle in a nice cast-probably to be changed to a boot tomorrow-and her heart rate is pretty much back to normal.

This is what she was diagnosed with: Supraventricular Tachycardia

And here's a synopsis of it: http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/106/25/e206

She'll go into see the cardiac specialist in January. He has said there are three options that she can take: 1. Just take a "wait and see" approach to it, as it may never be a problem again, and to monitor it if any changes occur. 2. Have a box placed on her body that will record the beating of her heart, and look for any patterns that he might be able to ascertain, or 3. Have a fairly non-invasive procedure done, via arthriscopic surgury, to correct the abnormality.

So, she's up resting, and is feeling pretty good.

It's gonna be fun reading the insurance bill, since this is 100% covered.  Big grin
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:36 am

I'm glad to hear she's home and feeling better. I hope all goes
well with the specialist in January.

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
So, she's up resting, and is feeling pretty good.

Propably the best news all day..

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
It's gonna be fun reading the insurance bill, since this is 100% covered. Big grin

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:44 am

Glad to hear she's doing better.

Her case illustrates WHENEVER you go under the knife no matter how simple the procedure it supposed to be its a complicated thing. Even the simplest operations I've had, I've been a tad nervous.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:49 am

Hope she gets well soon. I had a cracked hip bone 4 weeks ago. Got hit by a hockey ball. Fortunately the bit of bone was still attached so it's just growing back together atm.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
This is what she was diagnosed with: Supraventricular Tachycardia

My mother has the same condition. It's non-life threatening, so long as the heartbeat doesn't sustain a very fast rate for a very prolonged period, and a while ago had to have the same procedure as your daughter (the "restarting" of the heart).

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
He has said there are three options that she can take

There's also medication that can be taken daily to prevent the palpitations. Her cardiologist also recommended to stay away from caffeine, as this can aggravate the problem, so you might want to tell your daughter the same thing.

And best wishes to your daughter.  Smile
 
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 24):
Her case illustrates WHENEVER you go under the knife no matter how simple the procedure it supposed to be its a complicated thing.

Hey, we agree on something.  Big grin

They always tell you that, but most people scoff at it when it's a relatively minor proceedure. The point you made was certainly driven home here this week.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:54 am

Glad to hear it went well,best wishes to the Falcon family..
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:54 am

Glad to hear everything is alright. I hate surgery. I myself, and no one in my family has ever had much luck with it. Hope they take the wait and see approach. They told my dad when he applied to be a pilot in the Army in WW2 that he had a heart condition that would probably cause an early death. He died at 87 and probably out lasted all that told him he wouldn't.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:04 am

Best wishes to your daughter... and the whole "troup of Falcons"
 
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:15 am

Good to hear all is better.

A terrible thing to see one of your kids in the hospital.

I wish her and your family all the best.

The way you describe the procedure above, it almost sounds like the "rebooted" your daughters heart.

Interesting, yet terrifying.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:18 am

Most likely this incident was related to general anaesthesia and not the surgery itself. I hope she'll be better soon, but in general young people can handle such things quite well.

Injuries like this one can be a pain in the a.., erm, ankle; though with the help of an experienced orthopedic surgeon she should get well soon.

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:24 am

Best wishes to your daughter, Falcon. Sounds like a harsh time for all concerned, but especially her.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
a medication that would literally stop her heart for about 10-15 seconds

My wife had this done. They administered Adenosine when her heart hit 187 bpm after she awoke from a surgical procedure. I was there when they administered it, and it was perhaps the most frightening experience of my life - seeing my wife flatline, and then 6 second later just start up again. So, I can imagine what your reaction must have been when you found out.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:34 am

Good to hear she's doing OK, Falcon.

Actually, this is interesting to me, because when I was 12 I had my appendix removed, and afterward, my pulse went from being around 80 or 60 to about 160 beats per minute. It turned out that one of the back-up sinus nodes that causes the heart to beat (or, in this case, would kick-in if the main node malfuntioned), had been triggered, presumably by the surgery (in other words, my body simply reacted that way).

Anyway, my case was written up in the New England Journal of Medicine, and I visited Mass General Hospital regularly for several years afterwards. I had no other symptoms, I felt completely normal, and the doctors were not overly concerned about it. One day a few years later it just went back to 80 - 90 bpm. The doctors had tried a few drugs on me to no avail, but I'm surprised that these doctors took such drastic measures.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:37 am

Wishing you all well man  Smile



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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:59 am

Wow, that's quite a story. Especially the stopping the heart thing - I would have been in quite a state were they going to do that to me. Hopes and wishes for the best, Falcon.

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:06 am

Hey Falcon, sorry to hear about the bad day your daughter had, really scary. I'm so thankful to hear she's okay now, and recovering fine.

I hope she gets well soon!!!!!!

All the best to you and your family  

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Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:40 am

Thank God everything is all right. I can't think of anything worse for a parent than seeing their kid in the ICU. Heck, I took my little one to the doctor for her shots the other day and almost broke the nurse's arm because she kept dicking around instead of just giving her the shots.

My prays of thanksgiving are with you guys. I'm glad everything turned out OK.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:45 am

Best of luck, my heart started to race just reading what you went through. Hang in there.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:04 am

Best of luck and I hope she'll be okay, Falcon.
 
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:11 am

Falcon,

I'm so glad that your daughter is OK. I have had some episodes of SVT and it is scary as hell - but all resolved on their own so I never had to go to ICU. Luckily there are things that the doc can do. The box thing is a Holter monitor, right? Also the doc's estimate of surgery time is "as we expect" not necessarily written in stone as you've found out. My parents always doubled the amount of time they expected to wait for a surgery after two very long ones. Now that I'm old enough I say to the doc, "just take your time and make sure you see/get everything."

Best wishes - hope she stays home for the holidays!

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:16 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Suffice to say, a difficult day at the Falcon household.

Damn man....I'm really sorry about all of that. You guys will definitely be in my thoughts and prayers.

I hope everything turns up very soon and this can all just be a bad memory. Best wishes, my friend.  checkmark 
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:53 pm

Its a very 'interesting' day thats for sure. All the best to you guys and I wish your daughter a speedy and full recovery.
 
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:14 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 18):
I'm no doctor, but perhaps her body couldn't handle the mix, the mix used for the anesthesia wasn't right when they used it to wake her up or perhaps an undiagnosed heart condition was involved.

As Falcon said, it was a SVT episode. Those can arise from nothing, on their own, or they could have been brought about by the pain medication used in the anesthesia. However, they have managed the condition perfectly. The Rhythm reversal with Adenosine is better for a child than cardioversion with electric current (the "jolt"), which can be rather painful for conscious patients.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
1. Just take a "wait and see" approach to it, as it may never be a problem again, and to monitor it if any changes occur. 2. Have a box placed on her body that will record the beating of her heart, and look for any patterns that he might be able to ascertain, or 3. Have a fairly non-invasive procedure done, via arthriscopic surgury, to correct the abnormality.

All three options are valid. We use number 2 often, it is a rather non-invasive monitoring that children tolerate quite well. After that other more invasive procedures can be performed if there is a need for such.

I hope all goes well. This is not a seldom occurrence, and most probably she will lead an uneventful life from now on.

Someone commented on the dangers of a surgery. Indeed it is true, something can always go wrong. Yet I tell my patients that the risk of having a car accident whilst bringing the child to the hospital is bigger than the risk of complications during surgery, and they hadn't even thought of those risks when started driving. It usually calms them down a bit.

All the best to you and your family, Falcon. Feel free to IM or Email if I can be of any assistance to you.

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:51 pm

Scary thing. Best of luck to her recovery, and hope for the best for you and your family Falcon.

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
This is what she was diagnosed with: Supraventricular Tachycardia

And here's a synopsis of it: http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/106/25/e206

She'll go into see the cardiac specialist in January. He has said there are three options that she can take: 1. Just take a "wait and see" approach to it, as it may never be a problem again, and to monitor it if any changes occur. 2. Have a box placed on her body that will record the beating of her heart, and look for any patterns that he might be able to ascertain, or 3. Have a fairly non-invasive procedure done, via arthriscopic surgury, to correct the abnormality.

I was diagnosed the same thing when I was around 12. I used to have 2 or 3 tachycardia per year in which my heart rate would go up to over 180bmp for 20 to 40 minutes and then back to normal rate.

As tachycardia episodes were quite frequent I was placed a small electrocardiograph to record my heart beating during a day in order to see if it was possible to have this condition trated by surgery.

Fortunately it was possible to do so and I had this procedure done. The surgery is performed via catheterism so it's almost non-invasive as you said (I just had a small puncture made in my right leg) and you don't need to have anaesthesia. The procedure took less than an hour and the next day I was at home. I have never had a tachycardia again so it was a great desicion to have this done.

Best luck to your daughter!

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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:39 pm

My thoughts are with you and your family. I hope your daughter recovers quickly and that you will all have a merry Christmas.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:06 pm

Best wishes for your daughter.
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RE: Very Long Day For My Daughter

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:47 pm

Falcon...I'm sorry I missed this earlier....

I left you a message on voicemail, and it looks like things are going to be ok, but I'll say some more prayers anyway...can't hurt.

Please give my wishes for a speedy recovery to your daughter and my best wishes for you and the rest of the family.

Call if there's anything I can do.

Ian
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