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My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:24 am

Got me a new camcorder courtesy of Jen for Christmas.

I went out and shot a few videos today. One of them was of this Metrolink nearby in Orange.

Once I have this whole video and upload thing worked out, stand by for an avalanche of reel to reel clips! Ha ha. Too bad that uploading to YouTube not only takes FOREVER, but the quality really, REALLY goes way down. The original video, on my computer and TV, looks really sharp.

 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:36 am

Good video.  Smile What kind of camera did you get? I would suggest a tripod as your first accessory.

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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:40 am

Cool Vid.... but its going backwards?  rotf 

Lew Big grin
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:42 am

Not much time between barriers and train there! Health and Safety over here would have a fit!

Nice video, hope to see more!
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:47 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 3):
Not much time between barriers and train there! Health and Safety over here would have a fit!

You should see the health and saftey in other parts of the world.. this video amazes me...



Lew

[Edited 2006-12-24 01:47:24]
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:58 am

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):

wow great video. Its not everywhere in world you see double deck trains

Quoting EWS (Reply 4):

some crazy shit there
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting EWS (Reply 2):
but its going backwards

Push-pull operations. There are controls in the rear carriage that the driver uses to control the locomotive during return trips. It eliminates the need for a locomotive at each end.

Here's an Amtrak Surfliner in push mode.



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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:26 am

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 5):
wow great video. Its not everywhere in world you see double deck trains

 Confused Sydney has, or used to have, double-decker carriages on the suburban services. Great view from the lower deck as the train stopped at a platform when mini-skirts were all the go  Big grin

Have to agree with the tripod suggestion - helps heaps.

PGF
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:50 am

VHVXB, a few commuter rail operators here in the states use bi-level cars.
The first time I saw it was on the old Chicago and Northwestern RR back
in the late 60's.

AsstChiefMark, without the cab car or an engine on each end, the crew
would have to uncouple the engine and run it around the train and in some
cases either turn the engine around on a turntable or run it around a wye
track. The push-pull concept is quite a time saver, but most engineers
don't like running from the cab-car.
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting PerthGloryFan (Reply 7):
Sydney has, or used to have, double-decker carriages on the suburban services. Great view from the lower deck as the train stopped at a platform when mini-skirts were all the go

no they still do but I have seen very few rail networks which still. BTW the OSCAR rolling stock enter revenue service couple of days ago
Here are some videos of the Suburban Sydney network I have taken








Quoting Traindriver (Reply 8):
VHVXB, a few commuter rail operators here in the states use bi-level cars.
The first time I saw it was on the old Chicago and Northwestern RR back
in the late 60's.

certainly a long way back
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:55 pm

Here they use the same push-pull config. in the Capitol Corridor between SMF and SJO.

BTW, isn't this an aviation forum?????????
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting Traindriver (Reply 8):
AsstChiefMark, without the cab car or an engine on each end, the crew
would have to uncouple the engine and run it around the train and in some
cases either turn the engine around on a turntable or run it around a wye
track. The push-pull concept is quite a time saver, but most engineers
don't like running from the cab-car.

I know. Dad worked for C&NW. I grew up around trains. Mars lights still give me the willies, however.

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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:50 pm

Alright Mark, another member with railroad ties.

I spent some time up in Great Lakes in the Navy. We used to ride
the C&NW RR to Milwaukee so we could drink legally at 19. So much
for my sordid youth.
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:09 pm

Quoting Traindriver (Reply 12):
We used to ride
the C&NW RR to Milwaukee

You betcha!

http://www.cnwhs.org/memberphotos/albums/userpics/10034/normal_No.-153-Tavil-8-70.jpg
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:29 pm

Great picture Mark. The last time I saw one of them was back in '68.

I'd still rather run it from the engine. I hated those cab cars especially
at grade crossings. I had a few close calls.
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:12 pm

Question??

How are the signals read if the engine is at the back. Is there a vid cam or something
Where does the time go???
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:42 pm

Quoting Trekster (Reply 15):
How are the signals read if the engine is at the back. Is there a vid cam or something



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
There are controls in the rear carriage that the driver uses to control the locomotive during return trips. It eliminates the need for a locomotive at each end.
Nonav.com kinda like Whiners except the lights are on and the pimps been paid
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:27 am

That video is as boring as those online video blogs....
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting Traindriver (Reply 8):
The push-pull concept is quite a time saver, but most engineers don't like running from the cab-car.

Check out this link to an incident back in the 1950's. It involved a commuter train using "Budd Cars" which were self propelled coaches similar to running a Cab Car on a push /pull. The Santa Fe discontinued using these in part due to the hazards at grade crossings.
http://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/5...Wreck/012256_SantaFeTrainWreck.htm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 10):
BTW, isn't this an aviation forum?????????

Yeah! Whatsamatter wif you train guys?  Wink

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 17):
That video is as boring as those online video blogs....

Nice contribution. We'll try to avoid it in the future.  crazy 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 5):
Its not everywhere in world you see double deck trains

Here in Switzerland, we use double-decker both long-distances trains (IC2000 cars - see below for a link) as well asfor commuter trains. They are very practical for dead-end stations like Zürich. From the upper deck, you have a really nice view.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/...FS/car/IC2000/Bt/2000_210501rp.jpg

Quoting Trekster (Reply 15):
How are the signals read if the engine is at the back. Is there a vid cam or something

No, there's a complete cab like in locomotives where the guy seats and drives.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/...CFF_FFS/car/EW_IV/Bt/EW4_Bt_ZH.jpg

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 10):
BTW, isn't this an aviation forum?????????

Remember, this is the non-aviation part....   And I'm one of these that have more than one hobby.

Quoting Traindriver (Reply 8):
The push-pull concept is quite a time saver, but most engineers don't like running from the cab-car.

That may be the case in the US in these commuter trains with "tin can like" cabs, but look at the one below.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/...ahn/Zuerich_HB/450_040-Zuerich.jpg

Cheers.

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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
Push-pull operations. There are controls in the rear carriage that the driver uses to control the locomotive during return trips. It eliminates the need for a locomotive at each end.

Push-pull operations are very common in Europe, but I don't blame some of our European friends for not recognizing the push-pull operation in that Metrolink video or in your Amtrak Surfliner video. The reason is that in Europe, they often design cab cars with cabs that look identical or nearly identical to the cab of a locomotive. Sometimes they will design a cab car with a generic looking cab, but still is quite obvious that it is a cab.

Here's an example of a powerful Swiss Federal Railways (SBB CFF FFS) Re 460 electric locomotive in a push-pull operation with several IC 2000 double deck cars. In this case, it is pulling the train:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/electric/Re460/SBB/Zuerich/sbb19991122A.jpg

Here it is pushing the train:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Re460.jpg/800px-Re460.jpg


Now here is the cab on the otherside:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/car/IC2000/Bt/IC_2000_STW.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/SBB_IC2000_Bt_in_Z%C3%BCrich.jpg/800px-SBB_IC2000_Bt_in_Z%C3%BCrich.jpg

As you can see, the cab on the cab car looks identical to the cab on the locomotive.

It's makes the train look more symmetrical.
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting EWS (Reply 4):
You should see the health and saftey in other parts of the world.. this video amazes me...

I used to live in that part of Prague (Horni Mecholupy), and I have used that train station numerous times. The way the train station was built it was much easier and time saving fro people to cross the rail road in that fashion (even thought it was very dangerous) than go over the bridge which was intended access to the platform.

When I was younger I was not allowed to cross the rail road and when traveling with my parents we used the bridge to access platform. I have been always aware of trains and danger of crossing rail and I am sure that others were aware of it as well. Now I have to say that I also crossed rail because it was easier for me. I was always making sure train was not present. In nine years of living in Horni Mecholupy nobody was injured or died while trying to cross the rail.

People tend to be lazy and they will always find how to "cut corners" and I know that even in England, United States or in other parts of the world people will not always obey by regulations. I am an EMT here in the United States and I encounter numerous times a week when people are not following regulations or law. Speeding, crossing intersections on red light, drinking and driving or by getting high and dying in front of their children. (now that amazes me!)


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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:58 am

Kevin, Thanks for the link, very interesting article.

Magyarorszag, I'd still rather have a little more steel in front of me.
We used quite a few EMD GP-38's. At least on that type of engine,
the cab is 10 to 12 feet behind the knuckle. In the front of the hood
you have a sand tank which lays sand on the rails for traction. That
engine type provides the crew a lot more protection in the case of a
grade Xing accident.

I think we're turning the site into railliners.net
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 3):
Not much time between barriers and train there! Health and Safety over here would have a fit!

If I remember correctly, the lights and bells need to be activated 21 or 22 seconds before the train can enter the intersection.
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:34 am

I thought this was cool.


Pretty stupid and lucky.
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting Trvyyz (Reply 24):
Pretty stupid and lucky.

Indeed. Where ever it happens, I don't understand these people that cross the tracks when they shouldn't, and this with more or less difficulties thus taking rather big risks.
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:02 pm

Cool stuff Big grin




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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:27 pm

Some train pics from me  Smile

Took these in DEN last year Big grin





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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting Traindriver (Reply 14):
Great picture Mark. The last time I saw one of them was back in '68.

I liked those C&NW Fs with the bell where the headlight should be for some reason. I rode in the cab of a former C&NW F at the Royal Gorge Railroad a few years back. The Engineer was a retired C&NW man who spent years in the Fs on the commuter trains. It was nice to see the two still making a living together.
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:55 pm

Quoting Traindriver (Reply 22):
I think we're turning the site into railliners.net

Why not?  smile 
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:47 pm

Nice pics Lee, they look a lot different than what you're used to seeing
on your side of the pond.

Falstaff, once you get that railroad bug, it's hard to kick the habit. I
had to retire on a disability, but every time I see a train, I wish I was
running it.

N231YE, I agree!
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:51 pm

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 28):
Royal Gorge Railroad

That's on my lifetime list of things to do!

In the 1870's, railroad crews managed to build a rail line at the bottom of the 1100 foot deep gorge. And it's still in use today!





I love that Hanging Bridge. One side is attached to the rock face and the other is suspended by cables above the river.

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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:35 pm

And now for something completely different.



I always wondered what that would look like.  Big grin

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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:49 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 32):

Good god. When will it end. 2 min 30 it took haha

Intresting post, though surprised Alex has not posted yet

 duck 
Where does the time go???
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:56 pm

Quoting Trekster (Reply 33):
When will it end

That's a short train by American standards. They usually have four of five locomotives in front and two or three in the rear with over 100 cars (wagons) in between.

This is one train, but some of it's still in the tunnel.

http://64.246.11.82/images/images2/b/BNSF5100.jpg.12426.jpg

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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:33 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 34):

WOW Amazing picture Mark
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 32):
I always wondered what that would look like

Jesus Christ, and i thought waiting for one of Lee's Class 185's (3 cars!!) was bad!  grumpy 

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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 31):
That's on my lifetime list of things to do!

It was a great time. I used to live in Colorado and I remember going to see trains on that route when it was still an active freight route. Last I heard there is still the tourist train and couple of locals. UP was supposed to pull up the rails on Stampede pass, but I don't know if they ever did.

Royal Gorge in the cab of an f unit was cool.
Big version: Width: 761 Height: 1175 File size: 746kb
Royal Gorge Hanging Bridge

I was not planning on riding in the cab, but when I got to the station I saw it was $100 bucks for a trip in the cab. They only had one seat. I ditched the other people I was with and went for a cab ride. There was a lady in line behind me and she said "you must have more money than brains to waste money like that" I said " I'm a railfan and I have no brains".
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:28 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 34):
That's a short train by American standards. They usually have four of five locomotives in front and two or three in the rear with over 100 cars (wagons) in between.

This is one train, but some of it's still in the tunnel.

Thats the Tehachapi Loop...right?
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:11 am

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 38):
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 34):
That's a short train by American standards. They usually have four of five locomotives in front and two or three in the rear with over 100 cars (wagons) in between.

I remember once in high school I went watching trains with some of my dad's co-workers from New Zealand and they couldn't believe how long the trains were that were rolling along the Missouri Pacific (UP) through Missouri.
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 34):
They usually have four of five locomotives in front and two or three in the rear with over 100 cars (wagons) in between.

Dou you have a picture of that? It sounds interesting...the most I have ever seen was 4 locomotives in the front pulling 50+ cars.
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 40):
Dou you have a picture of that? It sounds interesting...the most I have ever seen was 4 locomotives in the front pulling 50+ cars.

back in the 80s in Colorado you would see D&RGW SD40-2s six in the front, 2 in the middle, and 3 on the rear. With more and more powerful units you don't see as many units you used to. I still see some UP coal trains headed east near St. Louis with a helper or two on the rear.

Being behind a double header of steam is really cool. I did that twice. One mainline another narrow gauge.
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:53 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 40):
Dou you have a picture of that?





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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 42):

Nice. Thanks for the videos.
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:42 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 42):

Damn, I count 3 Dash 9s up front, 116 Twinstax, plus 2 Dash 9s on the rear on the 1st vid Big grin


Wow Big grin Big grin



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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:43 am

Oh my god, what an idiot this guy is  banghead 




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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:47 am

N231YE, some years back wifey and I rode VIA from Vancouver to
Montreal. Going through the Rockies all the trains carrying grain had
helper engines in the middle of the consist. In the Norfolk VA area
you'd see helper engines on the coal drags similar to what Falstaff saw
in St. Louis.
 
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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:51 pm

I remember an engineer (driver) on trains.com posted this:

"I was the rear end helper on a solid train of auto racks that was 2 1/4 miles long. I don't remember how many cars. I double headed a train of empty coal hoppers with 204 cars. Trains on the CSX ex NYC water level route are allowed to be 14,000 ft long."

Mark

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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:37 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 5):
some crazy shit there

Ahem yes, and so is this very literal interpretation of a train 'ride':

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RE: My First [YouTube] Video Of A Train

Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:32 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 48):
Ahem yes, and so is this very literal interpretation of a train 'ride':

now that is some CRAZY shit

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