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Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:06 pm

Hi guys,

Please could you guys help by signing this petition to try and urge the government to increase the speed limits on motorways in the UK to 80mph. (Similar to that of other European countries)

Obviously for this to be successful, the existence of this petition needs to be spread.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/GregDyk/

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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:08 pm

What is the limit in the UK currently?
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:09 pm

These petitions are rapidly turning out to be the worst idea the government has come up with in years. I love it! Big grin
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:13 pm

The motorways are at full capacity, with accidents increasing and a complete disregard for any distance between cars at all but the most quiet times! Reducing the speed limit (or actually enforcing 70mph) would increase capacity and reduce accidents.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:27 pm

The speed limit on most parts of the UK Motorways (= to USA Interstates) is currently 70 MPH. I have driven on UK Motorways on several trips so I can speak from experience although I am from the USA, I don't know if it would be a good idea to raise the speed limit to 80 on some sections of the M roads there. Many people and their vehicles are competent drivers at speeds less than 70 MPH, but start to become dangerous at 80. If you allow 70 now, which means people may be going up to 80 MPH already, then if 80, then some will go 90 MPH - a very dangerous speed. Then you also have the issue of speed differential. You will have HGV's that will continue to be limited to a lower speed and along with low powered vehicles or drivers that already cannot go even 70 MPH, you set up a problem of higher speed cars mixing up with and getting into accidents with slower vehicles.
 
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:32 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
If you allow 70 now, which means people may be going up to 80 MPH already, then if 80, then some will go 90 MPH - a very dangerous speed.

The issue has always been that the police don't bother to enforce the 70mph limit because it's unrealistic. They only start to get interested when people do comfortably over 80 and probably 90. Many police forces have said that they would prefer an 80mph limit that they could then rigorously enforce.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:11 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
some will go 90 MPH - a very dangerous speed.

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Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
Then you also have the issue of speed differential. You will have HGV's that will continue to be limited to a lower speed and along with low powered vehicles or drivers that already cannot go even 70 MPH, you set up a problem of higher speed cars mixing up with and getting into accidents with slower vehicles.

Nice theory...

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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:14 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
then some will go 90 MPH - a very dangerous speed.

HAHAHA...you've never been to Atlanta. People do 90 on the connector all the time...speed limit is 55! There's a joke around ATL that people think the I-85 signs are really the speed limit.  Wink
 
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
The issue has always been that the police don't bother to enforce the 70mph limit because it's unrealistic. They only start to get interested when people do comfortably over 80 and probably 90. Many police forces have said that they would prefer an 80mph limit that they could then rigorously enforce.

But that doesnt make sense, because the leeway will simply increase inline with the new limit.

Pointless, and as 777236ER says, decreasing the speed limit would be better for capacity.
 
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:25 pm

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 8):
But that doesnt make sense, because the leeway will simply increase inline with the new limit.

It's a question of what the police* feel they can enforce, not a matter of slowing things down. A 70 mph speed limit is in disrepute, because hardly anybody pays any attention to it. At present the police prosecute over the scale of the breach, not the breach itself. Raising the speed limit would, in their view, bring it into line with a strict speed limit that's enforceable.

* I should emphasise that although the police have proposed this idea, there are some who disagree, so don't be under the impression I'm stating a uniformly held view.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:34 pm

It all depends on the conditions at the time.
In some situations, 50mph is way too fast, in others, I can see nothing wrong with 90mph (apart from the fact it's illegal of course)
 
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:01 pm

What they could do, is what we did in New Jeresy when sections of Interstate highways had their speed limits raised to a more realistic 65 MPH - the fines for speeding and moving violations are double than for roads with less than 65 MPH speed limits. Getting a $300 ticket for doing 75 in a 65 gets drivrers attention, although drivers, even in heavy trucks when the cops aren't around, are doing 80 + MPH.
 
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
Reducing the speed limit (or actually enforcing 70mph) would increase capacity and reduce accidents.

Car not able to reach 70?  Silly Seriously though... your point makes no sense... If we up the speed limit... people can enter and leave the motorway quicker... thus easing traffic flow. Reducing the speed limit would mean more cars travelling at a slower speed... thus creating a backlog.  Yeah sure
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:10 am

Speed limit is fine as it is. Seeing the amount of maniacs on the roads, I don't really want them to go any faster.
 
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:14 am

What works in many places is variable speed limits. I've seen places in Oslo, Norway where the rush hour speedlimit is 50 km/h, while it's 80 km/h at other times of the day. Electronic speedlimit signs change depending on time of day.
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:39 am

I think the speed limit should be increased to 80Mph and I also think that the UK should have the same law as Germany (?) were HGV's are only allowed to drive at night. The majority of major crashes reported are caused by a car plowing into a HGV or the other way around.

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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting Sky0000547 (Reply 13):
Seeing the amount of maniacs on the roads, I don't really want them to go any faster.

They drive at whatever speed they like anyway, that's why they are maniacs!
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:49 am

Austria has an official 160Km/H (100MpH) limit on some sections.. speed is not dangerous per-se. Stupid drivers are (and that includes drivers who drive technically unsafe vehicles).
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 8):
But that doesnt make sense, because the leeway will simply increase inline with the new limit

Not necessarily. It all depends on what the police let people get away with. Even if the speed limit is 70 mph people will still do 80 because they know that the police won't pull them over for doing that speed. However, increase the limit but encforce it. I assure you, people will start to take seriously the speed limit when they get a £90 ticket for doing 83 in an 80 zone. Also, make courts and judges more strict as well. Don't throw out the ticket or lessen the fine just because someone goes to court to contest it. With proper enforcement, people will adhere more strictly to limits rather than flagrantly disobeying them.

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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:57 am

I can't comment on the UK, but the thought of a soccer mom with a cell phone plastered to the side of her head, barreling down the interstate in an Excursion at 80+ MPH is a frightening one  scared 

I don't think most of the people here have enough skill to drive that fast. Hell, going down GA316 to/from work, you'll have people doing 80+ in a 65, 2 to 3 feet behind the car ahead of them. Dumbasses...
 
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:05 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 9):
A 70 mph speed limit is in disrepute, because hardly anybody pays any attention to it.

No, but one of the quieter things that these proposed "black boxes" in cars that will charge you for every mile driven can do is also automatically issue speeding fines, working the same way as Average Speed cameras do now.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 11):
even in heavy trucks when the cops aren't around, are doing 80 + MPH.

Don't you have tachographs in the US?
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:37 am

Apparently there are no tachographs in the US. That is a pain in the neck: one truck overtaking another truck with a speed differential of ½ mph.

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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 15):
the same law as Germany (?) were HGV's are only allowed to drive at night.

That's not Germany ...

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 19):
you'll have people doing 80+ in a 65, 2 to 3 feet behind the car ahead of them. Dumbasses...

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Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 14):
What works in many places is variable speed limits. I've seen places in Oslo, Norway where the rush hour speedlimit is 50 km/h, while it's 80 km/h at other times of the day. Electronic speedlimit signs change depending on time of day.

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Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 12):
Seriously though... your point makes no sense... If we up the speed limit... people can enter and leave the motorway quicker...

Higher speed will also increase the safety distance between two cars, thus there are less cars than "occupy" a mile of raod --> the capacity of the raod will decrease.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
The issue has always been that the police don't bother to enforce the 70mph limit because it's unrealistic. They only start to get interested when people do comfortably over 80 and probably 90. Many police forces have said that they would prefer an 80mph limit that they could then rigorously enforce.

Why would putting the spead limit up 10 mph make Police forces rigorously enforce it better?

Police forces should rigorously enforce 70 mph, no different to enforcing 80 mph.

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Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting HT (Reply 22):

Ok hence the (?) does anyone know what country it is?

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Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:17 am

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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:06 am

HGV's are a nightmare. They dont even look before they pull into a lane that cars are on. It really angers me as even though ive been going at 70mph ive had to harshly brake or swerve into the outside lane to avoid hitting them.
Also their overtaking game which doesnt get them there any faster which blocks the inner and middle lane is stupid, they should be restricted to the inside lane only.
 
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 12):
Car not able to reach 70? Silly Seriously though... your point makes no sense... If we up the speed limit... people can enter and leave the motorway quicker... thus easing traffic flow. Reducing the speed limit would mean more cars travelling at a slower speed... thus creating a backlog. Yeah sure

The point does make sense, reducing the speed limit leads to a more uniform speed amongst cars, and crucially, lorries. At the moment we have lorries going 56 mph and cars going 80+ mph, which causes the stop-start concertinas whenever it's busy. More uniform speeds allows for closer driving, slower speeds significantly reduce the effect of lorries and slow drivers on the capacity.

The traffic lights popping up on entry slip roads don't reduce capacity - they allow for traffic to enter at gaps in the congestion, increasing the capacity and uniformity of the network.

Another problem is that due to the mass cancelation of all but the most essential motorway projects since the 70s, nearly all major motorways end on pityful local road networks that can't handle the volume. Reducing motorway speeds reduces the rate at which cars enter these networks at rushhour.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
Many people and their vehicles are competent drivers at speeds less than 70 MPH, but start to become dangerous at 80.

Negative. These people are simply incompetent drivers at any speed. The maximum speed limit may be under certain circumstances way too high and usually this kind of drivers fails to realize that. You know who these people are when they pass you during snowfall and you can see them after five miles in the ditch.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
If you allow 70 now, which means people may be going up to 80 MPH already, then if 80, then some will go 90 MPH - a very dangerous speed.

False again. Majority of drivers feels comfortable up to certain speed, they simply won't drive faster. The usual european limit - 130 km/h is quite realistic and there is a good chance that drivers will obey it. Ridiculously low speed limits - like the 100 km/h in Ontario - just convert the otherwise law abiding citizen into a notorious speeder.
BTW, 90 mph may and may not be a dangerous speed. Depends on circumstances.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
Then you also have the issue of speed differential.

It's an non-issue if the slower traffic is using the right lane as is supposed to.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 28):
These people are simply incompetent drivers at any speed.

Silly argument. If a driver is inattentive, increased speed reduces the time available to them to avoid hitting something.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 28):
It's an non-issue if the slower traffic is using the right lane as is supposed to.

Not when motorway capacity is reached.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 29):
Silly argument. If a driver is inattentive, increased speed reduces the time available to them to avoid hitting something.

Well, then let's reduce the general speed limit to 30 mph, plenty of time for everybody to stop...

If an driver is inattentive, he shouldn't be driving, period. Driving is hard work requiring the driver's full and undivided attention. Eating, drinking (I mean coffee and soft drinks) and phoning while driving should be banned long time ago.
And mandatory driver training wouldn't be bad either.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 30):

Well, then let's reduce the general speed limit to 30 mph, plenty of time for everybody to stop...

Facetious replies won't get you anywhere. You said that speed doesn't have an impact on the danger posed by incompetant drivers, are you changing your mind now?

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 30):

If an driver is inattentive, he shouldn't be driving, period.

Everyone has lapses in attention from time to time. Higher speeds catches out more people than lower speeds. Enforce the 70 mph speed limit on Britain's motorways and expect to see motorway fatalities fall.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:31 am

We have a 62mph/100kph speed limit, on most motorways and open road areas. It hasn't lowered our road toll any, and the police do enforce it as a form of revenue. The open road speed should be 130kph,
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:41 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 31):
Facetious replies won't get you anywhere. You said that speed doesn't have an impact on the danger posed by incompetant drivers, are you changing your mind now?

I said that drivers who are dangerous while driving 80 will be dangerous at any speed. Speed limit of 70 won't help them too much if they're stupid enough to hit a solid obstacle. Why are you so certain that speed is the only cause of all problems? Speed is definitely an aggravating factor, but there is no accident with sole reason. With improved discipline higher speed doesn't have to be dangerous.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 31):
Everyone has lapses in attention from time to time.

Well, shouldn't. Not while driving.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 31):
Enforce the 70 mph speed limit on Britain's motorways and expect to see motorway fatalities fall.

That's quite a statement. Care to support it with some data? But hey, what do I care. That's your speed limit. Ours is even lower.  Sad

A very interesting study about effects of increasing/decreasing the speed limits is here: http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:29 am

5 days a week twice a day I drive on the autobahn at speeds up to 130mph on the way to and from work. And I am far from the fastest out there.

Just depends on how much gas I want to waste.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:04 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 33):
A very interesting study about effects of increasing/decreasing the speed limits is here: http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html

What a coincidence. I was just reading that website an hour before I found this thread.

Just to paraphrase that study:
- Speed limits on the surveyed roads in that study were usually around the 45th percentile - meaning a majority of the people traveling on the road were speeding.
- When speed limits were lowered, the slowest drivers drove about 1 MPH faster - no change on the fastest drivers.
- When speed limits were increased, the bottom 75% went about, again, 1 MPH faster. The fastest drivers slowed down a small amount.
- Lower speed limits resulted in 6% more accidents.
- Increasing the speed limits resulted in 7% less accidents.

Yes, I think that the speed limit should be increased, depending on the road. Anytime I do 65 on the PA turnpike, people fly past me. If I was doing 75, I'm would just be keeping up with traffic. If the speed limit was 80, I probably wouldn't drive faster than 75 anyway.

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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:17 am

in Illinois, our speed limits on the highways are 55 mph. I will usually do about 65 -> 80mph.

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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:35 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 6):
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
some will go 90 MPH - a very dangerous speed.



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
Then you also have the issue of speed differential. You will have HGV's that will continue to be limited to a lower speed and along with low powered vehicles or drivers that already cannot go even 70 MPH, you set up a problem of higher speed cars mixing up with and getting into accidents with slower vehicles.

Nice theory...

pelican

Agreed.

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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:39 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 28):
Ridiculously low speed limits - like the 100 km/h in Ontario - just convert the otherwise law abiding citizen into a notorious speeder.

What? You mean it's not 130?!  boggled 

I agree that 100 km/h in Ontario is a bit ridiculous. On the stretch of the 417 between Ottawa and Montreal 120 seems to be the minimum, 130 the travel speed, and several passing at around 140. When entering from Quebec there is a sign that says "SPEEDING COSTS YOU" and tells you what the fines are for going 120, 130, and 140. Problem is...on all my travels along this stretch of road I think I have once seen the OPP. There is barely any enforcement on this stretch of road.

I think that the limit should be increased to 120 km/h, especially on roads like the 417 which is flat and relatively straight.

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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:45 pm

Quoting Ryangooner (Reply 23):
Why would putting the spead limit up 10 mph make Police forces rigorously enforce it better?

Police forces should rigorously enforce 70 mph, no different to enforcing 80 mph.

I couldn't agree more, what's the difference between 70mph and 80mph in terms of enforcement?

Personally, I see the need for stronger enforcement of the current 70mph limit, the majority of drivers here can't handle their vehicles at 30mph, let alone 80mph.

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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:50 pm

Quoting Rlwynn (Reply 34):
5 days a week twice a day I drive on the autobahn at speeds up to 130mph on the way to and from work. And I am far from the fastest out there.

Just depends on how much gas I want to waste.

... and the congestion of the road.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:01 pm

I am neither for or against an 80mph limit on the motorways - what I am for is the devolution of more powers to the Highways Agency patrols and the introduction of strict new laws to MAKE people drive responsibly.

In the U.K., it is mandatory to get a yearly test done on vehicles over 3 years old. The person driving said vehicle can do far more damage than any faulty vehicle yet he or she is potentially handed a licence valid for 48 years just months after their 17th birthday - madness!!! Periodic and tougher retesting of drivers, to include relevant new laws and procedures, should be mandatory.

I take great pride in safe, defensive driving and have passed the (voluntary) IAM driving test so absolutely despair when I drive our motorways and see the inside lane near to empty whilst the outside lane is peppered with wreckless idiots driving up the asses of the car in front. I'd be happy to re-take my driving test every couple of years.

Bring it on and watch the number of vehicles on ours roads fall dramatically, along with the number of fatalities!
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:24 pm

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 39):
oting Ryangooner (Reply 23):
Why would putting the spead limit up 10 mph make Police forces rigorously enforce it better?

Police forces should rigorously enforce 70 mph, no different to enforcing 80 mph.

I couldn't agree more, what's the difference between 70mph and 80mph in terms of enforcement?

I didn't comment on whether they should or shouldn't enforce the current limit, but the truth is that they don't. As we've seen from the whole speed camera debate, there are serious concerns about the police being held in contempt when the public (rightly or wrongly) feel they are being victimised. Remember, for the vast majority of people, the only time they ever come into contact with the police is when they commit a traffic offence. The police can only do their job by consent, and if you suddenly get large numbers of people being prosecuted for doing 75mph there will be uproar. That's why they proposed an 80mph limit, so that they can prosecute for any speeding offence and retain the public trust. The linked article expresses the methodology of how the UK always decided its speed limits, according to the proportion of people who could be expected to abide by any limit set. This isn't working with the motorways, because it's the same now as it was 50 years ago.

Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 41):
and watch the number of vehicles on ours roads fall dramatically, along with the number of fatalities!

And here we strike a problem. For all the trumpeting of success with speed cameras, the number of fatalities hasn't fallen recently. British roads remain the safest in Europe, and British motorways are our safest roads and whilst it is easy to say any casualties are too many, there comes a point where reducing it dramatically is more and more difficult. Short of re-introducing a man with a red flag walking in front, you are always going to get death on the roads, so to make a material difference you have to do rather more than say "everyone should slow down a couple of miles an hour".

I don't particularly think there's a pressing need to increase the limit to 80, because it works reasonably well now. But on a logical level, there's equally no reason not to do so.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:47 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 28):
You know who these people are when they pass you during snowfall and you can see them after five miles in the ditch.

Then you drive by and wave  Smile

Quoting LH423 (Reply 38):
What? You mean it's not 130?!

I believe Manitoba is 100 as well. At least it was in 2002 on the stretch from the US border to Winnipeg (the continuation of US I-29)
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:34 pm

Hi all. Just to chuck in my thoughts here. Why is speed such an important part of driving today (in the UK)? Is it neccessary to get from point A to point B in the fastest possible time? If, you need to get somewhere why not leave earlier and drive slower so you are less stressed when driving. Remember, it's called a Motorway not a race way. For me, I will avoid M'Ways at all costs if possible. Much better to 'pootle' down an A road (B road if you have the time) than join in with the 'headlight flashing, horn blowing' steersmen/women'.

When I go to Portsmouth from here, I use the M27 as it is the most convenient way of getting there. Not because it is (supposedly) the fastest way of doing the journey. I'm never in a rush. I do between 55-65 MPH depending on the amount of traffic. Does that make me a 'hazard'? I think not. At least I am within 'my' capabilities of assessing any potential problems that may occur. Yes, I CAN see the prats that are going to do something stupid. It's part of driving.

As for HGV's and PSV's (yes I know they have new names), don't blame them all the time. They are limited to the speed they can do (in the UK). (I have held a licence for both types.) All drivers are responsible for 'their' attitude when it comes to driving. I have driven many types of vehicle from a Mini to coaches to artics. Believe me, car drivers are the worst for suicidal manouvres.

A final thought for you.

When I joined the RAF, and was learning to drive, a sergeant instructor made a statement that has stuck with me all these years about travelling at speed. "Most people can drive at 70 MPH but, unfortunately, their brains are only doing 20 MPH".
 
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting 53Sqdn (Reply 44):
I do between 55-65 MPH depending on the amount of traffic

Thus holding up traffic.
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 42):
But on a logical level, there's equally no reason not to do so.

Motorways are at full capacity now. Higher speeds increase the speed difference between 56 mph lorries and the rest of the traffic. With an 80 mph limit you can have a situation (that already exists) where two lorries are overtaking in the first two lanes at 56 mph and a single lane of traffic is overtaking them going 30 mph faster. That speed difference is dangerous. Time after time I've seen cars doing 80ish in the outside lane having to slam their brakes on because someone forced to do 60 behind a lorry in the middle lane tries to overtake. It reduces overall capacity and uniformity, and makes guessing journey times impossible - especially on two-lane motorways.

Higher speeds also require greater separation between cars. The thinking distance (assuming an alert driver) at 70mph is 21m, about 5 car lengths. At 80 mph it's 6 car lengths. Does anyone on any motorway keep 6 car lengths behind the car in front? Does anyone even keep five car lengths behind the car in front?
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 45):
oting 53Sqdn (Reply 44):
I do between 55-65 MPH depending on the amount of traffic

Thus holding up traffic.

Nope mate! Why would I be holding up traffic?
 
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 46):
Does anyone on any motorway keep 6 car lengths behind the car in front? Does anyone even keep five car lengths behind the car in front?

What did i say? The speed isn't the universal problem. The problem is the array of other infractions, including tailgating. 21 m distance while doing 70 mph is too close.

Quoting LH423 (Reply 38):
What? You mean it's not 130?!

ROTFL. It's very interesting to watch the speeds on whole stretch of 401 between Michigan border and Toronto. Around Windsor you have a construction going on, so it's really slow. In Chatham area the OPP is taking the speed enforcement really seriously, so everybody drives on the limit. Once you pass London, the speed is going up, the traffic is moving between 120-150 km/h, depending on circumstances. From Woodstock to Tri-cities there is a stretch of two lane highway, so it's slower and you can see some police activity there too. Just before Tri-Cities the three lane highway starts again and you're doing 130-140 until you hit Halton Hills. There is usually some OPP activity again, so it's better to slow down. And if you're there in the morning on a workday, you're already driving 25 km/h (if lucky enough) anyway. And it's start-stop driving from there up to the 401-404 intersection (some 40 km).

Quoting LH423 (Reply 38):
On the stretch of the 417 between Ottawa and Montreal 120 seems to be the minimum, 130 the travel speed, and several passing at around 140.

I don't know about the 417, but on the 416 you can quite often see a burgundy Impala checking the speed...
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RE: Increase Motorway Speed Limit To 80mph

Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:54 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 48):

What did i say? The speed isn't the universal problem. The problem is the array of other infractions, including tailgating. 21 m distance while doing 70 mph is too close.

But with the motorways as saturated as they are it's impossible to keep 10m back during busy periods, let alone 21 m back.
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