|Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 6):|
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
it is important that we have a dialogue with him
Yeah, I agree guys - what a hefer. How dare that b**** try and engage diplomatically with a potential enemy. Send her to guantanamo, I say.
Where's the requirement for vitriol ? IIRC, in November the US voting public ludly said they preferred the Dems to the GOP. Maybe, just maybe, Grandma Pelosi (yes) is _more_ representative of the US voting public than anyone on the GOP side of the aisle. If that grates, well, you know, that's democracy, isn't it ? If you voted GOP and lost, well, 2008 is coming along fairly quickly. Get involved.
|Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15):|
Honestly, I just don't get the mentality of some of the people.
Al Qaida = Bad.
Iraqi Insurgency = Bad.
Taliban = Bad.
Iran = Good?
Dr... what? They're killing American soldiers. How more black and white can it be? And it's very insulting to know that certain American leaders put more value on scoring cheap political points, than going after the murderers of decent American soldiers.
I know it's simplistic - but Iran tried to kill me. So... Iran has chosen to be my enemy. It's Barny simple, really. And what needs to be done is what we do with all murderous regimes - intense international pressure. And frankly, right now the pressure needs to be dialed up -- not toned down with "touchy feely get togethers" with Speaker Pelosi.
You know I admire and respect your commitment to duty. However, let's turn your argument around. The US is training and assisting Baluchi insurgents in the SE
of Iran. Also in the SW
in Kuzestan. Some young draftee in Iranian fatigues may well get blown away tonight by someone using US weapons trained by a US advisor. His family will then become fairly, I would say, anti-American. So then is it fair to say for this unfortunate Iranian family the US has become the enemy ? If the guy lives, he may say, "America tried to kill me, so AMerica has chosen to be my enemy."
Does this logic get any of us any further ?
I realise fully that Mrs Pelosi carries a fair bit of baggage. So do all speakers, and, depending on which political colouration you have, maybe that Xes her out in your political calculus. Same could be said a few years ago for Mr Gingrich. I'm not sure Speaker Pelosi is trying to score cheap political points, although she'll likely take them if they're there, but, please, your administrations, time after time, have _refused_ to speak to Iran.
Always the justification is the embassy affair (about which Canadians know a few things). Never have I once heard, unless this aging memory is failing, an American say, "Well, you know, we _did_ help overthrow a democratically-elected government and install the Shah, who then proceeeded to murder 000's of innocent people." I'll bet you a cold beer that if America offered to re-engage diplomatically the Iranians would jump at the chance. And, once this was done, if American diplomats and news people could easily get into the field, they would find the Iranians are not nearly the rabid, foaming at the mouth anti-Americans as Faux News Channel paints them.
|Quoting Halls120 (Reply 26):|
She isn't the Secretary of State. She is the Speaker of the House. Unless the President and or Secretary of State asks her to undertake a diplomatic mission abroad, it isn't her job.
The most recent item I saw today was that an Iranian member of Parliament said he might invite her -- perhaps her counterpart in the Iranian parliament. If true, this would be a legislative-to-legislative visit, which is entirely proper. We do it with all manner of countries -- even ones we find somewhat odious.
|Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 39):|
And since when have Republican appointees applied the letter when it comes to diplomatic convention? You should take a look at some of the Ambassadors the Bush White house sends out to countries that are ALLIES of the United States. On a regular basis, Ambassadors and Consulates publicly comment on the internal politics of their host nations within their host nations. I've personally seen American Ambassadors attempt to rebuke foreign lawmakers for a comment or proposed bill they're responsible for.
Thank you. If I were the Canadian Secretary of State, I would call in David Wilkins, that southern cracker, and tell him in no uncertain terms to SHUT THE F**K UP
concerning Canadian internal politics. If he can't comply with that over 90 days, then it's persona non grata for him. What an ignorant ass. He's lucky he's a bagman for W.
Sorry to ramble on, but there's a lot of stuff in this thread. I may lob a couple more bombs in.
Look, politics and such gets people riled at times. But let's all keep some perspective.
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