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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:47 pm

sorry but this aain shows how BADLY organized copa américa is:

Venezuela -Uruguay

Brasil-Chile

Those games in quarter finals have already been played in the first round! I mean how much nonsense is that?

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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 100):
sorry but this aain shows how BADLY organized copa am�rica is:

Venezuela -Uruguay

Brasil-Chile

Those games in quarter finals have already been played in the first round! I mean how much nonsense is that?

I would NOT say that this is a result of bad organisation. This is just due to the fact that 8 out of 12 teams could qualify for the Quarterfinals. Especially the rule of the "2 best third" makes it almost impossible to predict from which group they will be. If Chile had not played 0-0, we would now see a Venezuela-Chile and Brazil-Uruguay.
 
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:01 am

According to a poll of Venezuelan newspaper "El Universal":
The biggest disappointment from Copa America in the first round:
Brasil 39.18%
Colombia 37.84%
Estados Unidos 11.52%
Ecuador 10.76%
Bolivia 0.7%
 
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:22 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 102):
The biggest disappointment from Copa America in the first round:

I would put Ecuador first. They had an excellent team in the world cup certainly the ebst Ecuadorian team in history and expected them to be at least in Semi Finals

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 101):
I would NOT say that this is a result of bad organisation. This is just due to the fact that 8 out of 12 teams could qualify for the Quarterfinals. Especially the rule of the "2 best third" makes it almost impossible to predict from which group they will be. If Chile had not played 0-0, we would now see a Venezuela-Chile and Brazil-Uruguay.

That's what i mean, badly organized. Copa América should include 4 more CONCACAF teams and really make this become a copa américa

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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:03 am

Uruguay 4 - 1 Venezuela in the 1st quarterfinal....

Venezuela looked like were playing with lead in their legs and shoulders, and that lead (pressure), eventually sank them all.

I'm sad for Venezuelans, but considering they didn't do a bad job, it's just that Venezuelan football still has ways to go to really pose a continental threat. Congrats Uruguay.

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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:13 am

Right now Brazil 6 - Chile 1, MInute 39 of the second half.

[Edited 2007-07-08 04:25:51]

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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:36 am

It's 6 now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:30 pm

Uruguay and Argentina will'be the final I guess...... let see..... I know Brazilians are just a little "afraid" of playing against us even though we all know Brazil is above us, los partidos hay que jugarlos, ah y no somos chile, ya lo sabran  Wink

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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:05 pm

These last two matches seemed to show that maybe Uruguay and Brazil were holding back at the beginning, even though it almost cost them dearly. And what's up with Chile? Apart from being destroyed on the pitch, what the hell is going on outside the pitch?

http://www.prensafutbol.cl/index.php...ontent&task=view&id=8746&Itemid=70

Drunk players causing nothing but trouble, what the hell is going on? Why didn't Acosta kick them out? Why aren't they immediately punished by the Chilean FA? What's up with the incident in Dublin they're talking about? Had this happened in the German team, those people would have already been on the way back home and could forget about ever coming back to the national team. No wonder the Chilean press is so upset. Apart from the coach not being self critical and being very passive about what to do and changing strategies every game, those players need a major kick in the ass to realise that they're jeopardising the qualification to the World Cup even before the qualifiers start. I agree with the final words of that article:

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Some people need to be sacked. And those people should be the players responsible for the incidents, and especially Nelson Acosta. A coach who can't maintain discipline in his team can kiss his credibility goodbye. A coach (or Team Manager à la England) has to be the final authority in the team; the players must play by his rules (though the coach should allow reasonable flexibility) and not their own. Get people who can get the job done, I'm sure Chile has a few young and aggressive talents who can do a much better job on the pitch than those characters. And get someone as a coach who can still relate to players in some way.
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:57 am

Uruguay 4 - 1 Venezuela (home team)
Brazil 6 - 1 Chile
Mexico 6 - 0 Paraguay

This is absolutely astonishing. I have never seen anything remotely like this in the history of ANY proffesional FIFA competition, even back in the 1930s when such results were not that uncommon.

I am open mouthed...
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Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 109):
I have never seen anything remotely like this in the history of ANY proffesional FIFA competition, even back in the 1930s when such results were not that uncommon.

I am open mouthed...

So am I. I expected much more from Paraguay, and much less from Mexico. Now, let's hope Argentina won't suffer from a burnout à la Paraguay or Chile. I still want them to win the Copa América, especially since they've been the most convincing of all 12 teams in this tournament.
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Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:08 am

ARG 4:0 PER

A very reasonable result. The game was in fact much more entertaining than the last three. The Mexico vs Argentina match will be THE game to watch, while Uruguay vs Brazil will be hit or miss in terms of fulfilling expectations. To be honest, I'd like see a classical Charrúas vs Gauchos, Celestes vs Albicelestes final (that is, Uruguay vs Argentina).
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:21 am

The four best teams in America are playing the semi-finals. I've thought for a long time that Mexico is only below Argentina and Brazil. Everybody knows that, some people just won't admit it.
 
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:11 pm

I was astonished by Mexico's result today, I really think that Hugo Sanchez has been able to change our national team. It is somewhat contradictory that the team is doing SO MUCH better without the european players (Pardo, Salcido and Osorio). I think Hugo Sanchez's choice to call on younger players has really worked, as they go and give 110% on the pitch. Nery Castillo has greatly complemented Hugo Sanchez work as a coach, and so has Andres Guardado. I believe Mexican soccer is going through a great phase and is bound to grow, with rising stars such as Giovanni Dos Santos, Vela and goalkeeper Memo Ochoa.

By the way does anyone know anything about the rumours that Guardado and Ochoa are transfering to european teams?

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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:37 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 109):
Uruguay 4 - 1 Venezuela (home team)
Brazil 6 - 1 Chile
Mexico 6 - 0 Paraguay

and now Argentina beats Peru 4-0 .simply amazing!
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:19 am

Nery Castillo should be playing for Uruguay  Angry at least he should be on the bench.
Mexico always had foreigners with mexican citizenship playing for their team, but in this case Castillo was on a U-17 Uruguay team but then it went to Greece and finally Sanchez wanted him.........anyway.. he moved to Uruguay when he was a little kid and started playing at River Plate IIRC, but parents are uruguayans.
 
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:19 pm

Quoting PU752 (Reply 115):
but parents are uruguayans.

Dad is Uruguayan, Mum is Mexican.
He speaks with Mexican accent not Uruguayan accent.
Did not know he played with U-17 Uruguayan team, though.

He is so good that even when I do not care about football much, I will defend his Mexicanhood.



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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 116):
He speaks with Mexican accent not Uruguayan accent.

you should take a look of him speaking, its a mix, remeber he lived here since he was 4 o 5 yrs old til 17-18, his dad went to play football at mexico and theres where he was born, then returned to uruguay, anyways we have enough players...
 
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:22 am

Mexico - Argentina should be a great match. Both teams are playing very well right now. Perhaps this is Mexico's year to win the Copa America. They've wanted it for a while and come close before.
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Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:07 pm

First Finalist: BRAZIL !!!  Smile
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Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:14 pm

Quoting Bongo (Reply 119):
First Finalist: BRAZIL !!!

Yes, but the referee certainly helped Brazil during the penalty shootout. Just look how far from the goal line Doni was when the final penalty was kicked. According to the rulebook, a goalie can move on the line before the penalty is kicked, but he has to stay on the line. Had Doni been a few inches or centimetres in front of the line, I wouldn't have broken a sweat about it, but he has clearly at least one metre in front of the line. That penalty should have been repeated, but the referee, despite clearly seeing what happened, chose to ignore this rule violation.  Angry

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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:20 pm

Just to words to say!! GO MEXICO!!!!
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:19 am

That last penalty was a joke, I can't believe they let the Brazilians get away with that shit. The goalie took like 2 steps before the uruguayan player kicked the ball!!!

Ah well, I guess Argentina will have to take care of them now  Smile
 
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:51 am

Quoting Lapa_saab340 (Reply 122):
That last penalty was a joke, I can't believe they let the Brazilians get away with that shit. The goalie took like 2 steps before the uruguayan player kicked the ball!!!

My thoughts exactly. Seems like the referee was very sympathetic towards Brazil. Hell, yesterday in the news, coach Tavárez was so upset, he didn't even talk to the media, and he has every reason to be pissed. In other news:

http://www.prensafutbol.cl/index.php...content&task=view&id=8825&Itemid=2

The Chilean players involved in the scandal of Puerto Ordaz, Jorge Valdivia (who later resigned from the National Team as a consequence of these events), Reinaldo Navia, Rodrigo Tello, Jorge Vargas, Pablo Contreras and Álvaro Ormeño, have been suspended from the national team by the ANFP for 20 games (with chance of an appeal after having completed 10 of the 20 games suspension, and won't receive a single cent of the award money that they would have received for passing to the quaterfinals. However, Colo Colo player David Henríquez has declared that this punishment is disproportionate and that the only one responsible for this, Nelson Acosta, hasn't been punished at all. He will ask the Chilean Football Player's Union to intervene.

Finally, after 13 years, Nelson Acosta has resigned as coach from the national team, avoiding what would have been an unavoidable sacking from the ANFP.

That Colo Colo player is right, the punishment is disproportional. Nelson Acosta should have been sacked immediately after the game, and the five players involved should have also been sacked AND banned from playing in any Chilean national team for good. People who do not care about discipline do not belong into any national team, regardless of which team it is.
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:23 am

AR-GEN-TINA! AR-GEN-TINA! AR-GEN-TINA!.

Hey, if have to root for someone other than the vinotinto, I would have to be Argentina.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:55 am

MEX 0:3 ARG

Bravo, Argentina! It was a very entertaining match. Now go kick some ass this Sunday in Maracaibo and win this Copa América, Argentina!  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:56 am

wow, I can't believe it was that huge of a difference. I was forecasting a very tough game - ending in the PKs.

I can see that Messi's (superb) goal destroyed the mexican player's self-esteem.

Well played, both.

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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:46 pm

Vamos vamos Argentina, Vamos vamos a Ganar!
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3-0 How great!!! Too bad these games aren't shown here. Must have been an excellent game, excellent. I'm sure Mexico was sure to be able to beat Argentina with their 6-0 win over Paraguay, but Argentina seems as though they were too strong. come on Argentina!

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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:03 am

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Quoting RootsAir (Reply 127):
Too bad these games aren't shown here.

I agree!!! Honestly, if e.g Eurosport was able to broadcast the African Cup last year, then I bet the could have done the same with the Copa America. It's a shame, because from what I've read here and seen on sports shows, it looks as if there have been some very entertaining games.

Kind of harsh for the Mexicans to have been beaten by Argentina this time again, as last year they were so close to beating Argentina at the World Cup and lost yet again. There also seems to be a trend with golazos during Argentina - Mexico games, because a year ago at the World Cup I remember the Mexicans receving quite a goal in Extra Time.
 
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:06 am

While Argentina is the best team of the tournament, as shown so far, Mexico made it easy by making an unbelievable mistake on the first goal. I mean you can't waste two or three chances, fail them, and still expect to beat such a strong team. Scenic panic combined with the terrific skill of the Argentine side is what we saw on the last match.
 
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:18 am

Quoting AM744 (Reply 129):
While Argentina is the best team of the tournament

In fact is the second one! Congrats Brazilians  Smile
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:49 am

Congrats to Brazil, but IMO they didn't deserve it, because overall, they sucked! The only game they really played good was this one.
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Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting Bongo (Reply 130):
In fact is the second one! Congrats Brazilians Smile

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It was a good game, if not for too many fauls from both sides.

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Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 131):
Congrats to Brazil, but IMO they didn't deserve it, because overall, they sucked!

If you haven't gotten used to it yet, there's no hope for you. We leave the best for the end  Wink
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Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:29 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 131):
Congrats to Brazil, but IMO they didn't deserve it, because overall, they sucked! The only game they really played good was this one.

That's more than enough, isn't it? Congratulations to Brazil.
 
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:34 am

It looks like Argentina is becoming Latin America's perennial looser - the team does everything right during the tournament and terribly screws it up on the final.

Congratulations to Brazil.

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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:37 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 133):
If you haven't gotten used to it yet, there's no hope for you. We leave the best for the end

Just wait. If you can get to the next World Cup Final and play against us (though I'm hoping that our opponent for that WC final is Argentina  Wink ), I'll assure you that we'll beat Brazil.  Wink

In all seriousness, I know Brazil played outstanding today, even without lots of "Jogo Bonito", and that Argentina played like shit today, but looking at the big picture, this is the only match in which Brazil could show its best side and show why they have won 5 World Cup titles and why they are the third most successful team in the history of the Copa América.

Brazil barely got into the final if it wasn't for their big luck. They faced an evidently hungover Chilean team (which even San Marino could have beaten), and the referee ignored the rule violation commited by Doni in the last penalty shot against Uruguay (which should have resulted in that penalty needing to be repeated). Even Pelé didn't have any confidence in Dunga and his B-Squad. And Dunga will have to work hard with this team if he wants to survive this World Cup qualifier (which I hope they'll show live here in Costa Rica).

And personally, I don't have any respect for Ronaldinho (I already lost all respect for him after his bitching about not getting the number 10 while playing in Friendlies for Brazil) and Kaká's decision not to play. This isn't some controversial thing like the Confed-Cup, this is the oldest continental football tournament in the world, and, along with the Euro, the biggest international football tournament after the World Cup. There was no excuse for them to not attend (unless they were injured, which they were not, or if the coach decided not to call them for bad performance in their last games in national team and club).
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 136):
And personally, I don't have any respect for Ronaldinho (I already lost all respect for him after his bitching about not getting the number 10 while playing in Friendlies for Brazil) and Kaká's decision not to play. This isn't some controversial thing like the Confed-Cup, this is the oldest continental football tournament in the world, and, along with the Euro, the biggest international football tournament after the World Cup. There was no excuse for them to not attend (unless they were injured, which they were not, or if the coach decided not to call them for bad performance in their last games in national team and club).

I'd say it was good that they didn't come. Was nice to see what the other players have to offer to the team, even if they need to work on their game. Certainly a good experience for the entire team overall.
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RE: Copa America 2007 Venezuela Thread

Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 137):
I'd say it was good that they didn't come.

In retrospect, maybe yes. Their "concerns" over getting injured may have affected their performance on the pitch, and the people who actually played this Copa América were mostly young and unexperienced people who wanted to do everything possible to not just win, but also improve their chances of participating in a World Cup squad, though it did take a while for them to start off since they lost their opening match against Mexico.

BTW: Dunga has lashed out a bit against Ronaldinho and Kaká for not participating.

http://www.sport1.de/de/sport/artikel_1454624.html

Translation of the relevant part: Every player who comes to the Seleção and does an outstanding job, will obviously be in advantage over those who did not come.

I guess this means that Dunga's strategy is to go for performance and not names. Which means that now, Ronaldinho, Kaká, and even other players like Adriano, Cafú and Ronaldo, will have to fight to get back to the squad, and the only way they can get back is by showing their skills on the pitch. This could be a good thing, because this can also open the chance for many young local talents and young players in the major European leagues to get on the team, if they have the right stuff for the team. Maybe a drastic rejuvination, similar to what Germany did under Klinsmann, will do wonders for Brazil, but the first thing they need to do is stop those world tours, play their friendlies on their home ground and occasionally in the opponent's country, and start showing a consistent performance for the World Cup qualifiers which start in September.
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