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May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:07 am

Bonds has clubbed #752 and #753 out today at Wrigley.
2 back from Hammerin' Hank.

Let the record watch start now.

The ironic part is the next series is a 3 game set in Milwaukee...how strange would it be for him to break Hank's record in Milwaukee?

I say he does it either Sunday, or Monday.
Going to be interesting to see.
Let the watch start now!
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:11 am

Let's get this sham overwith ASAP so we can move along to rooting for real baseball players who matter.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:16 am



Good chance he breaks it in the next few days...the strange part?
3 game set @ Milwaukee
followed with the Braves coming to SF.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 1):



I hope for Monday since they will be at home against ATL. Would be amazing to be there if that happened.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:20 am

He's still 115 short of Sadaharu Oh's record.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:24 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 3):
I hope for Monday since they will be at home against ATL. Would be amazing to be there if that happened.

However, it would also be amazing if he did it in Milwaukee too.
Hank Aaron's old turf.

Either way, its intriguing.

And the Bonds haters would be Bonds fans if he was on their team too. He is arguably one of the top 5 players of all time, and gets all this scrutiny mainly because he tells the media what he thinks of them.

Also, does anyone have any proof that Bonds ever tested positive for roids?
Didn't think so.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:26 am

Future catchers of Bonds home runs #755 and #756: If you're reading this, do the right thing. Throw them back.

Wishful thinking I guess.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 6):
Future catchers of Bonds home runs #755 and #756: If you're reading this, do the right thing. Throw them back.

Why?
He's changing baseball history whether you like it or not.
I"d keep the ball, I wouldn't sell it.
It's the ball breaking the most important record of all sports.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:37 am

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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:39 am

Won't happen in Milwaukee, if he ties the mark, the Giants will hold him out until they return to San Francisco, better and safer to do in front of the home crowd.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 5):
Also, does anyone have any proof that Bonds ever tested positive for roids?

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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:46 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 7):

Why?
He's changing baseball history whether you like it or not.
I"d keep the ball, I wouldn't sell it.
It's the ball breaking the most important record of all sports.

There's plenty of reason to believe that he's achieving this after breaking the rules of the game--something we have no reason to believe Hank Aaron did. Spare your "like it or not" language, I don't really give two shits about professional baseball, I just hate to see an honest man's achievement overshadowed by those of a cheater.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:50 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 10):

There's plenty of reason to believe that he's achieving this after breaking the rules of the game--something we have no reason to believe Hank Aaron did. Spare your "like it or not" language, I don't really give two shits about professional baseball, I just hate to see an honest man's achievement overshadowed by those of a cheater.

Again...where's the proof he cheated?
It's all allegations, no proof.
If there was some solid evidence, a positive test for 'Roids or whatever, I can understand it, but there isn't.
It's just a brutal crusade against an honest man and his character, a person who people love to hate.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 11):

Again...where's the proof he cheated?
It's all allegations, no proof.
If there was some solid evidence, a positive test for 'Roids or whatever, I can understand it, but there isn't.
It's just a brutal crusade against an honest man and his character, a person who people love to hate.

You're quite right, but everything that's happened has made me suspicious enough (and frankly, quite convinced of foul play) not to get onboard the "congratulations Barry!" bandwagon. We've watched the same events unfold and come to different conclusions. You'd keep it, I'd throw it back.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:58 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 5):
And the Bonds haters would be Bonds fans if he was on their team too. He is arguably one of the top 5 players of all time

Fuck no, the Orioles would still suck, and with him on the team I would root for the Nationals. One of the top 5 ever huh? That is funny.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 6):
Future catchers of Bonds home runs #755 and #756: If you're reading this, do the right thing. Throw them back.

Why? He has money, if he wants the damn ball, he can pay for it. Personally I would love to see the ball destroyed so the prick never gets it.

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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting Aaflt1871 (Reply 13):

Fuck no, the Orioles would still suck, and with him on the team I would root for the Nationals. One of the top 5 ever huh? That is funny.

Who is better then? Really?
Here's some of his accomplishments.
# Holds record for most home runs in a season (73)
# 2nd all time for career home runs (753)
# Holds record for most walks in a career (2,512)
# Holds record for most MVP awards (7) and consecutive MVP awards (4); (1990, 1992-93, 2001-04). Note: the current version of the MVP award has been given since 1931. Prior to that year, the League Awards were only given to a player once (from 1922-1929) and sometimes not at all (from 1915-1921).
# Holds record for most pitchers homered off (442)
# Holds record for most consecutive games with a walk (18)
# Shares record for consecutive plate appearances with a walk (7)
# Holds record for consecutive seasons with 30 or more home runs (13)
# Only player in 400 home run and 400 stolen base club
# Only player in 500 home run and 500 stolen base club
# One of four players in 40-40 club (40 home runs and 40 stolen bases)
# Holds record for most consecutive seasons with .600 slugging percentage or higher (8)
# 5-time SF Giants Player of the Year (1998, 2001-04)
# 14-Time All-Star (1990, 1992-98, 2000-04, 2007)
# 7-Time Baseball America NL All-Star OF (1993, 1998, 2000-04)
# 3-Time Major League Player of the Year (1990, 2001, 2004)
# 3-Time Baseball America MLB Player of the Year (2001, 2003-04)
# 8-Time Gold Glove winner for NL Outfielder (1990-94, 1996-98)
# 12-Time Silver Slugger winner for NL Outfielder (1990-94, 1996-97, 2000-04)
# Led the Major Leagues in home runs (1993, 2001)
# Led the NL in batting average (2002, 2004)
# Led the NL in on base percentage (1991-93, 1995, 2001-04, 2006)
# Led the Major Leagues in slugging percentage (1990, 1992-93, 2001-04)
# Led the Major Leagues in extra base hits (1992-93, 2001)
# Led the Major Leagues in on base percentage (1992, 2001-04)
# Led the NL in runs (1992)
# Led the NL in RBIs (1993)
# Led the NL in walks (1992, 1994-97, 2000-04, 2006)
# Led the NL in intentional walks (1992-98, 2002-04, 2006)
# Led the NL in runs created (1992-93, 2001-02, 2004)
# Led the Major Leagues in total bases (1993, with 365)
# Led the Major Leagues in runs created (1993, 2001-02, 2004)
# Led the NL in games (1995)
# Led the NL in extra base hits (1992-93, 2001)
# Led the NL in at bats per home run (1992-93, 1996, 2000-04)
# 3-Time NL Hank Aaron Award winner (2001-02, 2004)
# Led the Major Leagues in batting average (2002, with .370)
Not to mention he has a remote shot at 3000 hits this season, and if he comes back for one more, would almost certainly get it.

Quoting Aaflt1871 (Reply 13):
Why? He has money, if he wants the damn ball, he can pay for it. Personally I would love to see the ball destroyed so the prick never gets it.

Just because the O's have been one of the most moribund franchises of this century (2000s), I don't think you have to exert so much animosity toward Bonds.
The Bonds haters are so comical.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:12 am

I think he's a little fucking cheat. No matter what, there's always going to be an asterisk by his name and numbers. And when you look to see what the asterisk means, it'll always say "DISPUTED" or "QUESTIONABLE." That's something I wouldn't be proud of.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 14):
The Bonds haters are so comical.

Says he who makes great strides to defend a man whose integrity is questionable at best. Shower this thread with all the statistics you like, the * isn't going anywhere for many of us.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 16):

Says he who makes great strides to defend a man whose integrity is questionable at best. Shower this thread with all the statistics you like, the * isn't going anywhere for many of us.

He has the best eye in Baseball, maybe in baseball history.
Steroids don't improve your eye for a baseball.
Not to mention he has one of the nicest swings in history.

Again, where is the proof for the steroid use?
There is none, so his intergrity is perfectly intact.

I can't wait for #756. Absolutely can't wait.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):

He has the best eye in Baseball, maybe in baseball history.
Steroids don't improve your eye for a baseball.

That's a pretty subjective statistic. How do we measure keeness of the eye in baseball?

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):
Not to mention he has one of the nicest swings in history.

Ditto. Still opinion.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):
Again, where is the proof for the steroid use?
There is none, so his intergrity is perfectly intact.

I really don't see how the current absence of proof translates into a complete lack of proof, but OK. Suspicions have been raised, proof hasn't been found. We've picked different sides on the issue.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):
I can't wait for #756. Absolutely can't wait.

Enjoy.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:39 am

Meh.

Bonds represents what is the worst in team sports--self-aggrandizing, pompous, and a hypocrite.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:47 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 14):
Just because the O's have been one of the most moribund franchises of this century (2000s), I don't think you have to exert so much animosity toward Bonds.

Dude, does Barry pay you for your sucking up to him services?, the Orioles suck, I know it, however, it does not stop me from being a fan of theirs

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):
He has the best eye in Baseball, maybe in baseball history.

Oh, he has a better eye on the ball than Pete Rose did huh?

Most career hits - 4,256
Most seasons of 200 or more hits - 10
Most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits - 23

Followed by Ty Cobb?

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):
Again, where is the proof for the steroid use?

Everyone knows he used THG, the kicker was it was not a banned substance in MLB at the time, with BALCO, we may have gotten a list of players who were using, however In August 2005, all four defendants in the BALCO steroid scandal trial, including Greg Anderson, (Bond's trainer) struck deals with federal prosecutors that did not require them to reveal names of athletes who may have used banned drugs. So you can say without a doubt, that Bonds never used THG. with his trainer being a ringleader in it all?
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:51 am

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 20):

Everyone knows he used THG, the kicker was it was not a banned substance in MLB at the time, with BALCO, we may have gotten a list of players who were using, however In August 2005, all four defendants in the BALCO steroid scandal trial, including Greg Anderson, (Bond's trainer) struck deals with federal prosecutors that did not require them to reveal names of athletes who may have used banned drugs. So you can say without a doubt, that Bonds never used THG. with his trainer being a ringleader in it all?

Nobody really knows.
and it isn't cheating unless you get caught..

This recent persecution of one of America's premier athletes reminds me of the mid-90s when another great athlete, a one Orenthal James Simpson was labeled a "murderer" and basically convicted by the public before he was even tried.
When he got found innocent, and rightfully so, he didn't just win, we all won.

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 20):

Dude, does Barry pay you for your sucking up to him services?

No.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:11 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):

He has the best eye in Baseball, maybe in baseball history.
Steroids don't improve your eye for a baseball.
Not to mention he has one of the nicest swings in history.



Something that is getting attention now which should have got it before is what about the pitchers (evens the playing field). Everyone goes on about the hitters juicing but the bat speed which is the only thing that HGH and steroids will actually assist on in about 4 major components into hitting a home run. The pitch speed has a huge factor (up to 90%) in how hard the ball is it and with more and more pitchers throwing into the high 90's that is a huge reason why the amount of dingers has increased in the past few years. Other components to the HR is the bat speed (roids helps here), the angle and the location of where the ball hits the bat both which require exceptional talent that I can't see roids helping.

Or MLB is juicing up the ball or bats to get ratings

IMO Bonds gets a lot of the crap from the media about doing drugs and other things because he is a jerk to them, if he was liked he wouldn't be accused like this as bad as he is currently getting.

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Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:20 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 22):

IMO Bonds gets a lot of the crap from the media about doing drugs and other things because he is a jerk to them, if he was liked he wouldn't be accused like this as bad as he is currently getting.

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Basically.
He's also only one of 4 players in the 40/40 club too.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:34 am

Jealousy is all that it is. People only trash the man because he is nearing the record. There is no proof that he cheated, and don't use "Game of Shadows," that book was comical at best.

He's only trashed because he's not friendly with the media.

So do steroids=a 1.000 OPS? I think not.

May he go down as the greatest HR hitter......ever.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:04 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 5):
Also, does anyone have any proof that Bonds ever tested positive for roids?
Didn't think so.



Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 11):
It's just a brutal crusade against an honest man

Sure, he has nothing to hide. Neither does OJ, or Jan Ullrich or Bill Romanowski . . .

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 14):
Who is better then? Really?

He still would have been top-5 without BALCO.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):
There is none, so his intergrity is perfectly intact.

That, at best, is a stretch. Many people (referring mainly to journalists) close to the game are calling for, at least, the asterisk.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 21):
This recent persecution of one of America's premier athletes reminds me of the mid-90s when another great athlete, a one Orenthal James Simpson was labeled a "murderer" and basically convicted by the public before he was even tried.
When he got found innocent, and rightfully so, he didn't just win, we all won.

Sure, just ask Norm MacDonald.  rotfl 

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Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:57 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 21):
This recent persecution of one of America's premier athletes reminds me of the mid-90s when another great athlete, a one Orenthal James Simpson was labeled a "murderer" and basically convicted by the public before he was even tried.
When he got found innocent, and rightfully so, he didn't just win, we all won.

Wake up and smell the coffee!!!

Why was he found guilty in the civil proceedings? He is as innocent of murder as Barry Bonds is innocent of taking steroids.

He's a bum.

Babe Ruth did it on Hot Dogs, Booze and Dames, not something BALCO slipped Bonds.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:20 pm

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 1):
Let's get this sham overwith ASAP so we can move along to rooting for real baseball players who matter.

 checkmark  100% Agree!

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 3):
Would be amazing to be there if that happened.

 no  100% Disagree

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 5):
and gets all this scrutiny mainly because he tells the media what he thinks of them.

I don't have much of a problem treating the media bad, but he treats his team-mates, coaches, and most importantly, his fans like shit.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 5):
He is arguably one of the top 5 players of all time,

He's good, I'll give you that. And I think he would have been a hell of a ball player without roids - but he isn't top 5 IMHO.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 7):
It's the ball breaking the most important record of all sports.

Not even close. The consecutive hits record, a .400+ batting average, Ripkens Iron Man record, the all time hits record are all more important. And that's just baseball. In all of sports the list would be way longer.

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 8):

 rotf   rotf   rotf   rotf   rotf 

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 11):
Again...where's the proof he cheated?
It's all allegations, no proof.

Come on Copa, that's a cop-out.  Wink There isn't a reasonable person alive that doesn't know how his head grew to basketball size.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 12):
You'd keep it, I'd throw it back.

And I'd sell it. To Heraldo or somebody that would blow it up on TV.  biggrin 

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 15):
I think he's a little fucking cheat. No matter what, there's always going to be an asterisk by his name and numbers. And when you look to see what the asterisk means, it'll always say "DISPUTED" or "QUESTIONABLE." That's something I wouldn't be proud of.

Best post in the thread - spot on!

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):
Steroids don't improve your eye for a baseball.
Not to mention he has one of the nicest swings in history.

So he'd have a bunch more singles, doubles, and triples, and a LOT less home runs.

Quoting DLOnur (Reply 19):
Bonds represents what is the worst in team sports--self-aggrandizing, pompous, and a hypocrite.

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Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 20):
Oh, he has a better eye on the ball than Pete Rose did huh?

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Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 21):
and it isn't cheating unless you get caught..

Nope - you're still cheating, you just haven't been caught.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 21):
When he got found innocent, and rightfully so

Sheesh - this statement here explains a lot of your other posts.  Yeah sure

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 26):
He is as innocent of murder as Barry Bonds is innocent of taking steroids.

And they are both as innocent as Bill Clinton getting a hummer.
 
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Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 27):

right on
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:12 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 21):
Orenthal James Simpson was labeled a "murderer"

How obvious was it that a Bonds lover would also be an OJ apologist. lmao

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 27):
Not even close. The consecutive hits record, a .400 batting average, Ripkens Iron Man record, the all time hits record are all more important.

Bullshit.

Bonds may be a juiced up scumbag, but the all time home run record is by far the most 'important' and publicized record in the sport. Don't try to diminish it because you don't like the guy who's going to break it. BTW, a .400 batting average would not be a 'record'  whistleblower  and it would be confined to only one season, so to compare the two is somewhat ridiculous. Consecutive hits - are you kidding me?? You are comparing a streak over 3 games to that of a career.  faint  Ripken's streak, while impressive, is more a testament to conditioning and longevity than actual baseball prowess and therefore cannot compare to stats records. Is Jeff Feagles' consecutive NFL games played record also more 'important' to you than Jerry Rice's career touchdown mark?
 
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:02 am

Whatever may have happened in the past, Bonds certainly is clean now, what with all the scrutiny he's under. Despite that, and despite the fact that he's well past the age at which most players retire, he's still hitting home runs at a very respectable clip. That alone is a significant accomplishment.
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting WellHung (Reply 29):
BTW, a .400 batting average would not be a 'record'

No kidding. I thought I put .400+ average, as I don't remember the number, and didn't want to look it up.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 29):
You are comparing a streak over 3 games to that of a career.  

Consecutive games with a hit - I think it's 56. Again, I probably didn't word it very well.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 29):
Is Jeff Feagles' consecutive NFL games played record also more 'important' to you than Jerry Rice's career touchdown mark?

Not even close.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 29):
so to compare the two is somewhat ridiculous

In your opinion, not mine.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 29):
Don't try to diminish it because you don't like the guy who's going to break it

Fair enough. It may be ONE of the most publicized in baseball. But I just don't give it the "most important record of all sports" title.
 
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 14):
The Bonds haters are so comical.

That's me, just a silly 'ole guy.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):
Again, where is the proof for the steroid use?

Oh please, OJ was found not guilty, but we all know he did it.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):
There is none, so his intergrity is perfectly intact.

 spit 

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 21):
Nobody really knows.
and it isn't cheating unless you get caught..

So you're saying he's not cheating, but cheating at the same time?

Quoting AASuper83 (Reply 24):
Jealousy is all that it is.

Yea, that's all it is...  sarcastic 
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:29 am

Barry Bonds doesn't have the character integrity needed to carry Hank Aarons' jockstrap let alone be in the public eye for ANY reason, scum of the earth. Good thing McGwire ducked out when he knew what was coming...
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:33 am

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 33):
integrity needed to carry Hank Aarons' jockstrap

And with the 'roid use, he sure won't have the nards to fill it Big grin

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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 6):


Future catchers of Bonds home runs #755 and #756: If you're reading this, do the right thing. Throw them back.



Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 14):
Here's some of his accomplishments.
# Holds record for most home runs in a season (73)
# 2nd all time for career home runs (753)
# Holds record for most walks in a career (2,512)
# Holds record for most MVP awards (7) and consecutive MVP awards (4); (1990, 1992-93, 2001-04). Note: the current version of the MVP award has been given since 1931. Prior to that year, the League Awards were only given to a player once (from 1922-1929) and sometimes not at all (from 1915-1921).
# Holds record for most pitchers homered off (442)
# Holds record for most consecutive games with a walk (18)
# Shares record for consecutive plate appearances with a walk (7)
# Holds record for consecutive seasons with 30 or more home runs (13)
# Only player in 400 home run and 400 stolen base club
# Only player in 500 home run and 500 stolen base club
# One of four players in 40-40 club (40 home runs and 40 stolen bases)
# Holds record for most consecutive seasons with .600 slugging percentage or higher (8)
# 5-time SF Giants Player of the Year (1998, 2001-04)
# 14-Time All-Star (1990, 1992-98, 2000-04, 2007)
# 7-Time Baseball America NL All-Star OF (1993, 1998, 2000-04)
# 3-Time Major League Player of the Year (1990, 2001, 2004)
# 3-Time Baseball America MLB Player of the Year (2001, 2003-04)
# 8-Time Gold Glove winner for NL Outfielder (1990-94, 1996-98)
# 12-Time Silver Slugger winner for NL Outfielder (1990-94, 1996-97, 2000-04)
# Led the Major Leagues in home runs (1993, 2001)
# Led the NL in batting average (2002, 2004)
# Led the NL in on base percentage (1991-93, 1995, 2001-04, 2006)
# Led the Major Leagues in slugging percentage (1990, 1992-93, 2001-04)
# Led the Major Leagues in extra base hits (1992-93, 2001)
# Led the Major Leagues in on base percentage (1992, 2001-04)
# Led the NL in runs (1992)
# Led the NL in RBIs (1993)
# Led the NL in walks (1992, 1994-97, 2000-04, 2006)
# Led the NL in intentional walks (1992-98, 2002-04, 2006)
# Led the NL in runs created (1992-93, 2001-02, 2004)
# Led the Major Leagues in total bases (1993, with 365)
# Led the Major Leagues in runs created (1993, 2001-02, 2004)
# Led the NL in games (1995)
# Led the NL in extra base hits (1992-93, 2001)
# Led the NL in at bats per home run (1992-93, 1996, 2000-04)
# 3-Time NL Hank Aaron Award winner (2001-02, 2004)
# Led the Major Leagues in batting average (2002, with .370)
Not to mention he has a remote shot at 3000 hits this season, and if he comes back for one more, would almost certainly get it.

# Tied for the least amount of World Series Championships (0)
 
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:21 am

He's been drinking a lot of OJ  Smile



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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Thread starter):

The ironic part is the next series is a 3 game set in Milwaukee...how strange would it be for him to break Hank's record in Milwaukee?

It wont happen. From what has been reported, most think it would be good to tie there then break it against the Braves in San Francisco.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):
He's still 115 short of Sadaharu Oh's record.

If Bonds played in parks as small as the ones Oh did, he would have 1000

Quoting AirCop (Reply 9):

At the rate A-Rod is hitting HR's what six years until he breaks the soon to be Bonds record?

Well, I met him at a bodybuilding show AND he was an a$$hole to me, so maybe he is juiced too  sarcastic 

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 10):

There's plenty of reason to believe that he's achieving this after breaking the rules of the game

What rules of the game did he break? Did he use a corked bat? Did he fix games with pitchers?

Quoting Aaflt1871 (Reply 13):
One of the top 5 ever huh? That is funny.

How in the world can you deny that? No one in the game has combined speed, power, defense and on base percentage like Bonds has. Even his godfather, Willie Mays, had a career OBP SIXTY points lower than Bonds.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 15):
I think he's a little fucking cheat.

Why?

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 18):
How do we measure keeness of the eye in baseball?

On Base Percentage and Bases on Balls. That is pretty well settled.

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 20):

Oh, he has a better eye on the ball than Pete Rose did huh?

Yes. Rose was a contact slap hitter who was a lead off man or second hitter for most of his career, which got him his hit record. Meanwhile, he only once had more than 100 walks in a season and his OBP is sixty-nine points lower than that of Bonds.

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 20):

Followed by Ty Cobb?

You hold this dude up and deride Bonds? Again, only 1 season of more than 100 walks, 11 points down on the OBP despite a much higher BA and he played during the dead ball era where averages were significantly higher.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 25):
. Many people (referring mainly to journalists) close to the game are calling for, at least, the asterisk.

Like they did with the late Roger Maris? What an absolute joke. You going to put an asterisk next to his walks record too?

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 26):

Why was he found guilty in the civil proceedings?

He wasn't found guilty. Guilt or innocence is only for a criminal court.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 29):
Ripken's streak, while impressive, is more a testament to conditioning and longevity than actual baseball prowess and therefore cannot compare to stats records

Well, the fact that he kept his job is a testament to Ripken's ability to play the game. Then again, when Ripken set his record, do you know who the second place active player was? Barry Bonds.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 29):
Is Jeff Feagles' consecutive NFL games played record also more 'important' to you than Jerry Rice's career touchdown mark?

Very good point

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 31):

No kidding. I thought I put .400+ average, as I don't remember the number, and didn't want to look it up.

Hugh Duffy in 1894 at .4397. Post-1900, Napoleon Lajoie in 1901 at .4265

Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 36):

People fill out with age, especially if they then start working out.
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:37 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
People fill out with age, especially if they then start working out.

Yea, ever seen an early/late comparison of Aaron?

Aaron spent his career in a hitters paradise while Bonds has been most of his in pitcher ballparks.

I can't say if Bonds has never taken anything, but should we put asterisks next to the pitchers who have replaced body parts and come back throwing harder (Tommy Johns surgery)?
 
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:39 pm

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 38):

I can't say if Bonds has never taken anything, but should we put asterisks next to the pitchers who have replaced body parts and come back throwing harder (Tommy Johns surgery)?

Good point.

Also...Barry went 0-3 tonight and will sit out Tomorrow's game. He'll be back on Sunday though.
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:38 pm

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 38):

Aaron spent his career in a hitters paradise while Bonds has been most of his in pitcher ballparks.

Absolutely. Actually, if you look at their careers, Bonds and Aaron's numbers are quite similar. Other than the year of 73, Bonds, like Aaron, has never hit over 50. They both could run (though Barry is probably as fast now as Aaron was in his prime), and field. Aaron had the stronger arm, but Bonds got to and made more athletic plays.
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 38):
I can't say if Bonds has never taken anything, but should we put asterisks next to the pitchers who have replaced body parts and come back throwing harder (Tommy Johns surgery)?

Absolutely not.

Tommy John's surgery is a rehabilitation method. Steroids are not.

Tommy John's surgery is not option that people consider who are already perfectly healthy. Steroids are.

Tommy John's surgery is not something that people lie about and try to cover up. Steroid use is.

Tommy John's surgery is legal. Steroids are not.

This will be a record that anyone outside of San Fransisco won't give a damn about.
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:10 am

Tommy Johns surgery has significantly extended the careers of many pitchers. Many of them come back throwing harder than ever because of it. Why should their records be placed alongside those who did not have that benefit? And why would you deprive a hitter from trying to use something to match those benefits?
 
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:15 am

Again, one is legal, the other is not. If steroids were a legal substance in MLB, then I'd have no problem with it. If Tommy John's was illegal, then the pitchers should earn the astrik.
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:35 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
Quoting Miamiair (Reply 26):

Why was he found guilty in the civil proceedings?

He wasn't found guilty. Guilt or innocence is only for a criminal court.

Off topic, I know but I should say: OJ was found liable in the civil proceedings.

Disclaimer: I dont support OJ or Bonds. They are both filthy people.
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:13 pm

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 41):

Tommy John's surgery is a rehabilitation method. Steroids are not.

Actually, they can be.

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 41):

Tommy John's surgery is legal. Steroids are not.

They are if proscribed by a doctor

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 41):

This will be a record that anyone outside of San Fransisco won't give a damn about.

The Giants are absolutely my least favorite team in professional sports, bar none, and I care about it

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 43):
If steroids were a legal substance in MLB, then I'd have no problem with it.

The current MLB drug policy was not in effect when Bonds is alleged to have used steroids.
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:19 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 45):
Actually, they can be.



Quoting N1120A (Reply 45):
They are if proscribed by a doctor

I was not aware that these methods were approved by MLB.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 45):
The Giants are absolutely my least favorite team in professional sports, bar none, and I care about it

You're in a minority there.
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:27 pm

If Bonds played in parks as small as the ones Oh did, he would have 1000

But the Japanese are little people (except for sumo wrestlers) so it doesn't matter. Look at it this way, if midgets play basketball at 6-foot high basket they require the same effort as average people at 10-foot high baskets...I think.  boggled   Big grin
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:51 pm

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 46):

You're in a minority there.

I'm really not. The Dodgers have the best fans and if no one cared about Bonds, we wouldn't be talking about it.

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 46):

I was not aware that these methods were approved by MLB.

Therapeutic use is allowed I am sure, because they would open themselves up to a major law suit if a burn victim or the like used steroids to get back into playing condition. Also, baseball's drug policy during the time Bonds is alleged to have taken anything was very different.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 47):


But the Japanese are little people (except for sumo wrestlers) so it doesn't matter.

You ever see Matsui, or Oh himself? Neither one a little guy.
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RE: May The Bonds HR Record Watch Start...now.

Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:46 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
He wasn't found guilty. Guilt or innocence is only for a criminal court.

Well, OJ did write a book about it.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 21):
it isn't cheating unless you get caught..

If you ever have children, please don't raise them with this philosophy.

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