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For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:32 am

Are you sick & tired of that left-wing liberal bias at Wikipedia?
If so, here is your source for information from a conservative point of view.  



http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page


I thought this was a joke when my friend emailed it to me but I am shocked that this is real.


Read what Wikipedia has to say about Conservapedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservapedia

[Edited 2007-08-21 17:34:28]
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:36 am

Maybe it's because I never use Wikipedia for anything more than a quick reference, but I've never viewed the website as even "liberal", yet alone "too liberal".
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 1):
Maybe it's because I never use Wikipedia for anything more than a quick reference, but I've never viewed the website as even "liberal", yet alone "too liberal".

There's nothing liberal about Wikipedia. How can you label facts (whether they be true or not) as liberal or conservative?  Yeah sure
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Are you sick & tired of that left-wing liberal bias at Wikipedia?

Only when I read in an article about Nagasaki that the "fat man" bomb was later re-named the "obese gentleman" so as not to give offense.

Turned out to be a bogus entry.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:42 am

The underlying problem being that reality has been found to have an unbearably liberal slant which cannot be tolerated any more..!  hissyfit 
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
There's nothing liberal about Wikipedia. How can you label facts (whether they be true or not) as liberal or conservative?

It's not always what is said, but how it's said, ie "spin". If you don't believe me, you must not watch and compare news sources.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:52 am

The only annoying thing about Wikipedia is that it is absurdly politically correct. It is so neutral that it strives to find neutrality where there isn't one and uses politically correct terms and/or opinions to enforce this perceived neutrality.

Many times articles are stamped with a 'neutrality disputed' disclaimer on top of the page if a politically correct solution can't be found.

I don't think this is a fundamental flaw with Wikipedia, but it is annoying. Sometimes the truth just isn't politically correct.

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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
The underlying problem being that reality has been found to have an unbearably liberal slant which cannot be tolerated any more..!

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:04 am

Additionally, the site had 9,000 registered usernames of which about 4,000 were permanently blocked.[9][10]



Sounds like a few people here are also members over there.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:20 am

Klaus:
You seem to be the only here that sees the humor and irony in all of this! Big grin

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
There's nothing liberal about Wikipedia. How can you label facts (whether they be true or not) as liberal or conservative?

Agreed.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Libe

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:24 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
You seem to be the only here that sees the humor and irony in all of this!

In some ways the reactionary flat-earthers incorrectly calling themselves "conservative" are so bizarre it's actually entertaining again...!  silly 
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
In some ways the reactionary flat-earthers incorrectly calling themselves "conservative" are so bizarre it's actually entertaining again...!

Oh yes, they can be so hilarious. Then there is that creationist museum in Kentucky.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:41 am

Wikipedia is exactly as liberal as those who edit it deem it to be. And since anyone can edit articles on Wikipedia conservatives are welcome to come and write as much or as little as they want.

Part of the problem here is that some people look to Wikipedia as the ultimate oracle, a compendium of all human knowledge. It isn't. Wikipedia is a collaborative clearing house of information; some of it good, some of it not. Anybody going to Wikipedia must approach what they read with a healthy dose of skepticism and double check all sources. That is why most teachers and college professors rightly do not accept Wikipedia as an acceptable source in written assignments.

The other thing on display here is the culture of victimhood in conservative circles. It's the inverse of the old proverb of it being better to light a candle than to curse the darkness (or something like that). We've seen this before with Qtube a "conservative" version of YouTube (another open source institution) Conservatives are unhappy with some of the videos posted to the site, so instead of posting their own material to the site, which they are free to do, they take their bat and ball and run home to form their own site so they can lambast the former for having a liberal bias. The logic being that people are more sympathetic to victims than they are to victors. Therefore many conservatives believe that they can get farther by playing the ref then playing the game.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:46 am

Conservapedia is really really scary. The fact that people believe this nonsense, and don't even say it overtly but subtly and insidiously is dangerous and shows the mentality of some people who want to undermine science, truth and freedom.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:47 am

Wow, that is very interesting.

I think it is appropriate. Conservatism is just a code word, not for conservatism itself, but for a rejection of truth and knowledge. True conservatism embraces peace, freedom and human rights. Conservatism is a great thing.

But here in the USA, conservatism is a code word for horrible, quasi-religious thugs who despise freedom and peace. They also find truth (which is science) to be an obstacle to their ideologies, such as drug research using human tissue, such as evolution, global warming and other things. This code language has grown to mean that you can be mentally immature and proud of that fact, on a permanent basis. You can be a little child and never listen to the adults who actually know things. That is what conservatism means today.
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:00 am

According to Conservapedia, global warming is just a bunch of HOT AIR!

That's some good writing, Lou.
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
ttp://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

There are minimum a handful of statements on that main page for which I have a different opinion.
And, YES, I enjoy the p.c. that is being the standard rule on wikipedia.
For me, an encyclopedia should inform about facts not spell curses, but the Internet is a place of free speech and so conservapedia really might find its users - but I doubt that it will find many users outside the U.S. (and even within the U.S. there might be regions where the approval rate of that website might stay low).

In the end, no encyclopedia on the Internet can ever be as precise and political correct as the Encyclopedia Galactica. Just thing of that entry "Harmless" gotten changed to "Mostly harmless" ... Big grin
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 12):
We've seen this before with Qtube a "conservative" version of YouTube

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 12):
Conservatives are unhappy with some of the videos posted to the site,

Oh Jesus.  Yeah sure

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 12):
take their bat and ball and run home to form their own site so they can lambast the former for having a liberal bias. The logic being that people are more sympathetic to victims than they are to victors. Therefore many conservatives believe that they can get farther by playing the ref then playing the game.

This is how I always views Fox News (faux news).
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
But here in the USA, conservatism is a code word for horrible, quasi-religious thugs who despise freedom and peace. They also find truth (which is science) to be an obstacle to their ideologies, such as drug research using human tissue, such as evolution, global warming and other things. This code language has grown to mean that you can be mentally immature and proud of that fact, on a permanent basis. You can be a little child and never listen to the adults who actually know things. That is what conservatism means today.

 bigthumbsup 


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I note Karl Rove's entry is now locked. He tried to edit out the fact his dad was gay. He hates when facts get in the way of political agendas!

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WikiScanner (short for Wikipedia Scanner)[1] is a tool created by Virgil Griffith and released on August 14, 2007,[2] which consists of a publicly searchable database that links millions of anonymous Wikipedia edits to the organizations where those edits apparently originated, by cross-referencing the edits with data on the owners of the associated block of IP addresses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Scanner
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:19 am

Honestly, Wikipedia looks more like it has been edited by 13 year old right wingers than any supposed "liberal bias".
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Honestly, Wikipedia looks more like it has been edited by 13 year old right wingers than any supposed "liberal bias".

Out of curiosity:
As wikipedia is available in different languages with articles for the same subject being technically independent (usually maintained by different users), how significant are the political differences for a given article in various languages ?
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting HT (Reply 20):
As wikipedia is available in different languages with articles for the same subject being technically independent (usually maintained by different users), how significant are the political differences for a given article in various languages ?

Haven't paid attention but I do know they simply translate a lot of the articles.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Haven't paid attention but I do know they simply translate a lot of the articles.

This is not what I have seen for articles in German vs. English language ...
More languages hardly qualify for me as reading stuff on wikipedia.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
How can you label facts (whether they be true or not) as liberal or conservative?

How can a fact be 'not true'. By including such a 'fact' the editor tries to impart his particular agenda, whether political in nature or some other motive.

Also, any political statement can be viewed as either liberal or conservative. Take, for instance, and I'll paraphrase Mrs. Clinton, back in the early 2000's...

-The welfare rolls in this country have shrunk. Fewer people are on welfare.

To a conservative, this is a beautiful thing. More folks off the government tit and working for their money and sustenance. But to a liberal, it means that there aren't enough people applying for welfare, as Mrs. Clinton pointed out in her next sentence. I have no reference for this. It just sticks in my mind as the stark difference between the liberal and conservative.

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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Libe

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:31 am

Could any of the conservative members on the board (who believe Wikipedia is too liberal) provide an example of an article where a 'strong liberal bias' is present and explain how it is so?
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting HT (Reply 16):
In the end, no encyclopedia on the Internet can ever be as precise and political correct as the Encyclopedia Galactica. Just thing of that entry "Harmless" gotten changed to "Mostly harmless" ... 

Shame upon me !
"Harmless" and "Mostly harmless" aren't entries in the Encyclopedia Galactica but in that alternative manual commonly referred to as The Guide.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:53 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
Additionally, the site had 9,000 registered usernames of which about 4,000 were permanently blocked...

This is probably why the majority of U.S. universities and community colleges have banned Wikipedia as a source when writing papers or doing research, which I support.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:19 am

Forget about Conservapedia and Wikipedia. We should all just join this site. Big grin

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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:39 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
This is probably why the majority of U.S. universities and community colleges have banned Wikipedia as a source when writing papers or doing research, which I support.

The numbers you quoted refer to Conservapedia, not Wikipedia.
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:36 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 29):
Try Uncyclopedia

That's my favorite  Smile
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:40 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):

This is probably why the majority of U.S. universities and community colleges have banned Wikipedia as a source when writing papers or doing research, which I support.

That isn't why. The reason is that encyclopedias have never been seen as valid sources, as they are at best, tertiary. Wikipedia is that much worse because it is open edited.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:54 am

One kind of funny thing... one of my classmates at college must be either the son or the nephew of the guy who created this Conservapedia site, since the classmate is a grandson of Phyllis Schafly. As one might expect, he's an arch-conservative as well.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 28):
The numbers you quoted refer to Conservapedia, not Wikipedia.

I never posted any numbers.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):
Wikipedia is that much worse because it is open edited.

Thats the main reason why universities and community colleges ban wikipedia.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 33):
I never posted any numbers.

Which is why I said

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 28):
The numbers you quoted
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 29):
Try Uncyclopedia

That's even better!  bigthumbsup 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 34):

I didnt quote nor posted any numbers. I didnt give a actual physical number like 3, 27, 120, or even the number 23,456,887!

BTW, the word 'majority' isnt a number, its a word. Look it up in the dictionary.  sarcastic 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 36):

Ah, so someone stole you member ID and made post number 26 with your ID. Better report this to the mods.

Seriously, you quoted the statement that

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
the site had 9,000 registered usernames of which about 4,000 were permanently blocked...

and gave that as the reason why universities don't accept Wikipedia as a source, while both the numbers referred to Conservapedia, and not to Wikipedia. Back where I live, both 9,000 and 4,000 are numbers, BTW.
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 37):
Seriously, you quoted the statement that

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
the site had 9,000 registered usernames of which about 4,000 were permanently blocked...

and gave that as the reason why universities don't accept Wikipedia as a source, while both the numbers referred to Conservapedia, and not to Wikipedia. Back where I live, both 9,000 and 4,000 are numbers, BTW.

No, you were quoting this guy:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
Additionally, the site had 9,000 registered usernames of which about 4,000 were permanently blocked.[9][10]
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 38):
you were quoting this guy:

Who AirframeAS was quoting in reply 26. Exactly.
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 39):
Who AirframeAS was quoting in reply 26. Exactly.

My mistake. I misunderstood your post.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:20 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 38):

Thank you. I was quoting somebody else. I didnt throw out numbers, somebody else did. End of discussion on that. Movin' on.  wave 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 41):

Dude, for the umpteenth time: that is why I said 'the numbers you QUOTED'. Anyway, no matter what semantics game you try to play, it still doesn't change one iota about the fact that your post 26, an your assertion that the 4,000 blocked users out of 9,000 were the reason colleges don't accept Wikipedia as a source, was simply wrong.
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:48 pm

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
There's nothing liberal about Wikipedia. How can you label facts (whether they be true or not) as liberal or conservative?  

That's just the thing, Wikipedia has a bit too much fact, and not enough truthiness.
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
This is how I always views Fox News (faux news).

In fairness, Fox News was a reaction to the bias of CNN - there are good reasons why it was referred to as the "Clinton News Network."

I don't have any problem with news media having some political leanings, so long as the basic facts are right and the leanings are acknowledged and open. The claims of "objectivity" by so many American newspapers are far more annoying.
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 44):
In fairness, Fox News was a reaction to the bias of CNN - there are good reasons why it was referred to as the "Clinton News Network."

 confused 
CNN had no bias in favor Clinton.
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:04 am

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 44):
In fairness, Fox News was a reaction to the bias of CNN

It looks a lot more that Fox was a reaction to a perceived lack of aggressive far-right propaganda and a perceived abundance of factual reporting - and the sure remedied that...!  silly 
 
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RE: For Those Who Think That Wikipedia Is Too Liberal

Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:50 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 45):
CNN had no bias in favor Clinton.

Suuuurrrrreee it didn't...

And Lou Dobbs is an objective, factual reporter who hasn't gone completely mad.

(That said, CNN is still a better network than Fox News.)

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