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Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:42 am

Craig paid $575 in fines and fees for the misdemeanor charge. A Hennepin County (Minn.) District Court spokesperson said Craig's case, which reached the court on Aug. 8, was continued and could be dismissed after one year of unsupervised probation. A 10-day prison sentence was stayed.

"Senator Craig was continued for dismissal. The conditions (for dismissal) are no same or similar" violations during his probation period, the spokesperson said.

According to the newspaper, the officer's report stated that the senator exhibited behaviors commonly used as signals for men seeking to pick up other men in public restrooms. They allegedly included blocking the door to the bathroom stall with his wheeled luggage and tapping his foot while moving it closer to the stall where the cop was seated. Craig also allegedly reached his hand down and waved it under the stall wall.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294810,00.html


Oh, Sen Craig is a Republican from ID.

Just some more tid bits:

Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)

[Edited 2007-08-28 01:43:41]

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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:32 am

Surpirise surprise. Another gay Republican. And here I was prejudiced thinking that most gays are liberal. It would seem that half of our legislative "body" is homosexual.  Wink
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:55 am

Funny how it's always those most opposed to homosexuality who always get caught in act... losers.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:01 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Oh, Sen Craig is a Republican from ID.

Just some more tid bits:

Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)

We need AA787823 to tell us again that the GOP is the party of family values. I need the chuckle.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:08 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)

I vote we tear up his queer card.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:17 am

According to the newspaper, the officer's report stated that the senator exhibited behaviors commonly used as signals for men seeking to pick up other men in public restrooms...tapping his foot while moving it closer to the stall where the cop was seated.


Senator's explanation:

Craig stated “that he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine,”

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/19764-1.html
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:18 am

I love it when the hypocrites get nailed!
 
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:28 am

Now that I think about it I have conversations with people in the next stall at work all of the time. Just this week I was having a conversation with a coworker in the next stall and I mentioned "blow" and "job" in the same sentence. Granted, I said, "S#*t, when I took this job I didn't know it would blow so bad." I guess I was subconsciously coming onto him!
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:01 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)

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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:39 am

I see the GOP butt-kissers are avoiding this one like the Plague.  rotfl 
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:43 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
I see the GOP butt-kissers are avoiding this one like the Plague.   

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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:43 am

Yikes I'll be thinking about dudes toe-tapping the next time I go to take a piss. What's so hard about getting a room or something?
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:21 pm

How pitiful. How unsurprising. How utterly pathetic. That is all.
 
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:33 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
I see the GOP butt-kissers are avoiding this one like the Plague.

Coming from the premier democratic butt-kisser, yeah, that's a good one Falcon.  sarcastic 

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 12):
How pitiful. How unsurprising. How utterly pathetic. That is all.

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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:30 pm

I think the most beautiful irony is that I can't really see any lewd conduct at all from the reports, yet he pled gulty.

In light of his voting record, I say, "Burn, baby...burn."

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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:57 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 13):
Coming from the premier democratic butt-kisser, yeah, that's a good one Falcon.

Go out and show me, Andes, where I'm constantly apologizing for them? OK? If you can compare me to the blindness of RJdxer, then put it on here, because you won't find it.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:22 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):

In my opinion Falcon, the more GOPers this happens too, the better. If we could get rid of all the hypocritical trash this way, we'd all be better off. Of course, then we'd have no government,

Anyway, just my feelings on it.

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 14):
In light of his voting record, I say, "Burn, baby...burn."

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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:00 pm

There are plenty of fools on both sided of the aisle and committed far more serious crimes including killing someone in a DWI and almost all take in millions each over the years in de facto bribes as campaign contributions and continued to be in office. Maybe Sen Craig is a hypocrite or maybe he figured he made a mistake in his behavior and wanted to bury the story, but almost every politician is guilt of some crime that should chase them out of office.
 
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:39 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 17):
Maybe Sen Craig is a hypocrite or maybe he figured he made a mistake in his behavior and wanted to bury the story, but almost every politician is guilt of some crime that should chase them out of office.

To me, when somebody tries to suck dick in the bathroom at an airport, and simultaneously tries to fuck over gays...he's toast.

Just my opinion though.

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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:04 pm

First off I'm not here as a GOP shill and would love more than the rest to see a hypocrite, if he is one, of any party fall from grace. That said...

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
the officer's report stated that the senator exhibited behaviors commonly used as signals for men seeking to pick up other men in public restrooms.

Ah, the wonderful Hennepin County cops...trolling airport bathrooms after a victimless crime versus actually going out and busting hard core criminals. Good use of resources there folks.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
They allegedly included blocking the door to the bathroom stall with his wheeled luggage and tapping his foot while moving it closer to the stall where the cop was seated. Craig also allegedly reached his hand down and waved it under the stall wall.

Sounds more like the actions of an drunken asshole at the airport than someone looking for gay sex in a public place. But then I'm not an expert on the pickup styles of Minnesota gays while transiting an airport.

He was arrested for disorderly conduct...not being gay.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
I vote we tear up his queer card.

You guys get cards? Sweet!  Wink

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)

Stupid waste of congressional resources. Let gays get married and experience the same misery as us straight folks.  Wink

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)

Yet another stupid waste of congressional resources. But here it was the Defense of Marriage Act that was passed by both houses of Congress and signed by President Clinton. Hmmm....a Democrat signing off on some anti-gay legistaltion....that sucks.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
rolling airport bathrooms after a victimless crime versus actually going out and busting hard core criminals

It is still a crime!!! Just like Bill Clinton's lied about his BJ. That was a victimless crime. The only victim were the dry cleaners of s blue dress that had to handle it - and see where that ended!

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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 17):
plenty of fools on both sided of the aisle

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True, but you cant deny but there seems to be a an awful lot of "marriage defenders" looking for some sausage in covert places. More than the average.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
resident Clinton. Hmmm....a Democrat signing off on some anti-gay legistaltion....that sucks.

Well you got to to remember that laws are a product of their "time". While Cincinnati's law of banning pigs dressed in blue might have made sense during some historical time - now its just silly. Same thing with pro-homosexual legislation.

Just wait till our current teenagers take control of the country.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:34 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
Ah, the wonderful Hennepin County cops...trolling airport bathrooms after a victimless crime versus actually going out and busting hard core criminals. Good use of resources there folks.

Get on some risque places at the internet. Airport & public restrooms are a PRIME spot for sex acts, drug deals, and sometimes underage alcohol deals as well. Anything for daddy to make a buck for the alcohol sales or drug sales and anything for twink boy to pay his rent for the month ... hence the sex acts.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)

I vote we tear up his queer card.

Yes. No. No. Yes. No. Hrmm ... anybody else's imagination floating away?
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:05 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 22):
Yes. No. No. Yes. No. Hrmm ... anybody else's imagination floating away?

YES!

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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)

Imagine if the guy in the bathroom wasn't a cop, but a gay basher. I'm sure the Senator is well aware of the risks of these hookups in public bathrooms yet he still voted against gay/lesbians from being included in hate crimes. Just goes to show where his priorities are...
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
I vote we tear up his queer card.

Hmm, I'm not quite sure he could've gotten one issued cher-- I mean, looking like this:


....I've seen Oompa Loompas with smaller foreheads.  Sad

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 16):
In my opinion Falcon, the more GOPers this happens too, the better.

Agreed 100%

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
a hypocrite, if he is one

"if he is one"?
...exactly how much more evidence do you need??

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
a victimless crime

Say it wasn't a cop or a receptive dude... would you want some decrepit queer hittin' on you? Particularly while you're trying to do your business?

Hell, that's gotta be even worse than getting incessantly hit on by drunk/idiotic females, with a sense of entitlement.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 21):
Just wait till our current teenagers take control of the country.

No need to wait that long-- the children of the late70s/early80s are much more realistic on the social "values", and we're certainly no teenagers.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:13 am

From the article:
Karsnia described Craig tapping his foot, which Karsnia said he "recognized as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct."

Is there a gay morse code?

It's hard to read this and not think of George Michael and his run-ins with undercover police.

Not sure how Senator Craig is going to explain this one to the voters of Idaho.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):
Is there a gay morse code?

"tap tap....tap.....tap....tap tap". Maybe that means "Meet me at the Subway by gate C-40".  Big grin
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:20 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 25):
"if he is one"?
...exactly how much more evidence do you need??

Uhmm....him getting caught in the act? Until then it sounds to me like he was being an ass in a public bathroom. Was he lookign for gay sex? Who knows? I didn't realize that there was a gay morse code in public bathrooms. And silly me thought that guy with his suitcase in the door was just being a prick. I had no idea he was trying to pick me up.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 25):
Say it wasn't a cop or a receptive dude... would you want some decrepit queer hittin' on you? Particularly while you're trying to do your business?

Honestly I could care less. I'm not some self-loathing closeted gay hater so it wouldn't bother me. Would it be an annoyance? Of course but I'd just say no thanks and go on with my business. If it continued then I'd notify the security guards or cops but only if it continued after being asked to stop.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:22 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):

It's hard to read this and not think of George Michael and his run-ins with undercover police.

From BBC's "The Office"

"David Brent: Have you heard George Michael's latest release?
Tim: No.
David Brent: No? George Michael's latest song... his release, though...
Tim: Is it about blow jobs?
David Brent: Yeah, that thing in the toilet. It was a hand job...
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):
Not sure how Senator Craig is going to explain this one to the voters of Idaho.

I say he will be blaming "demons inside him" and will join the likes of Dan Haggard, and Senator Foley in rehab.


The officer is cute though  Smile

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0828071craig1.html

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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:22 am

mmmmmmm smack , happy Falcon. No bias here , kick the fool to the curb . When are these idiots going to learn that they have larger responsibility. Unfuc**** believable ! A US senator in a bath room soliciting sex ... what is next?
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 27):
tap tap....tap.....tap....tap tap". Maybe that means "Meet me at the Subway by gate C-40".

...or maybe the George Michael song; 'I Want Your Sex'.

Damn that song is stuck in my head now.  boggled 

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 29):
I say he will be blaming "demons inside him" and will join the likes of Dan Haggard, and Senator Foley in rehab.

They may forgive him. This is Idaho and it is a very Republican state.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 27):
tap tap....tap.....tap....tap tap

For the record it is "tap tap....tap....swish....tap....tap.....swish...tap" Big grin
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:40 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 29):
The officer is cute though

he looks like someone i've seen at The Saloon, interestingly enough...
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 30):
A US senator in a bath room soliciting sex ... what is next?

A president that gets a blow-job...wait, that already happened.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
Sounds more like the actions of an drunken asshole at the airport than someone looking for gay sex in a public place.

He wishes he were drunk, but not the case. He was fishing for meat. He knew it. He's not sorry, either. He is sorry because he got caught.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
He was arrested for disorderly conduct...not being gay.

Soliciting sex from a man (using this instance) in a public restroom gets you arrested. Not being gay, correct. What makes him gay is the fact he was soliciting sex from a man.

Hypocrite. Worst kind of politician.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:11 am

I found an interesting article that states that Larry Craig was accused of similar behavior waaaaaaaaay back in 1982 when he was a member if the House of Representatives.

http://www.evangelicalright.com/2006...gger_claims_antigay_gop_sen_1.html
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:14 am

Just what the Republicans needed: another gay sex scandal. Do you think they have a club in D.C. where they all get together? A sort of "gay Republican D.C. mafia"?
 
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 34):
Soliciting sex from a man (using this instance) in a public restroom gets you arrested.

Yes it does but does the police report actually say he propositioned the undercover officer by asking for a hummer? I'm not saying it wasn't his intent but until he is caught asking the cop to give him a hummer the only thing he was busted for was disorderly conduct.

If I was bothering you in the bathroom and blocking the door woth my suitcase I would expect to be charged with disorderly conduct and nothing more.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 34):
Hypocrite. Worst kind of politician.

Agreed 100%

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 34):
What makes him gay is the fact he was soliciting sex from a man.

But I ask again did he ever ask for the hummer or was it just this supposed gay "morse code"? His intent very well may have been to get his rocks off in a bathroom stall (yuck!) and he probably has some closeted gay tendancies and thinks he isn't gay.

But until it is documented that he asked for a hummer then he is just an ass blocking my way out of the bathroom.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 37):
it just this supposed gay "morse code"?

Unfortunately it is. The tapping is meant to be a manner in which to solicit a hummer (or more). Some people find it easier for anonymous sex in public restrooms (and the risk all of that brings). There are always atypical behaviour in any group. They also tend to give the majority a bad name.

The blocking of the bathroom door was not the door leading into the bathroom itself, but the bathroom stall in which his commode was located.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
They allegedly included blocking the door to the bathroom stall with his wheeled luggage and tapping his foot while moving it closer to the stall where the cop was seated.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:41 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 38):
Unfortunately it is. The tapping is meant to be a manner in which to solicit a hummer (or more).

Understood. I'm just thinking you could fight the charges, although he didn't, by claiming you had no knowledge of this tapping code and were just drunk, slightly deranged, or pissed off because some schmo was hogging your favorite public restroom stall.

Personally I think the guy is probably queerer than a 3 dollar bill and was most likely looking for some part time in the head on his head but he should have fought the charges with exactly the way I'm saying to do it.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 38):
Some people find it easier for anonymous sex in public restrooms (and the risk all of that brings).

I don't even like taking a dump in a public restroom let alone getting a hummer from a broad and most definitely not from a dude. To each their own though.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 38):
There are always atypical behaviour in any group. They also tend to give the majority a bad name.

Those crazy bathroom sex loving queens screwing it up for the rest of the gay folks out there.  Wink

Kind of like the Damn Yankees that have moved into Florida and screw up elections and generally bring down the IQ of the state as a whole.  duck 
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:42 am

I just don't get it.
Sex is the last thing that comes to mind when using a public restroom. Just the smell is enough to kill any sort of sexual appetite.  vomit 

What signs should I look out for next time I am in public restroom and a guy taps his feet in the stall next to me?
It may have already happened but not knowing it was a signal to me.

I guess I need to learn morse code now too.  boggled 
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:50 am

They just reported on CNN (I was surfing) and apparently the honorable  vomit  Senator has had previous run-ins with the issue of his sexuality and the denial of said issue.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 39):
I'm just thinking you could fight the charges, although he didn't, by claiming you had no knowledge of this tapping code and were just drunk, slightly deranged, or pissed off because some schmo was hogging your favorite public restroom stall.

You could.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 39):
he didn't,

If it walks like a duck...

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 39):
I don't even like taking a dump in a public restroom

Colour me pee-shy here, too.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 39):
screwing it up for the rest of the gay folks out there

Yes they do. To each their own.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Sex is the last thing that comes to mind when using a public restroom

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Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Just the smell is enough to kill any sort of sexual appetite

Smell? I always think of the germs, first. It's a men's room. They all smell.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 37):
Yes it does but does the police report actually say he propositioned the undercover officer by asking for a hummer?

So what if it doesn't explicitly say it? He pleaded guilty no?

You and i can figure out his intent. Its just a technicality in the realm that this is getting discussed. The fact of the matter that the public now know that he is a hypocrite. Wether he would be found guilty or not - it really doesn't matter.

It is like hiding a CD in your pants at a store, and you get stopped before actually leaving the store. Probably not enough to get a jury to convict you, but all can see what the intent was.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:05 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 41):
Smell? I always think of the germs, first. It's a men's room.

That too.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 41):
Senator has had previous run-ins with the issue of his sexuality and the denial of said issue.

See reply #35.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
I see the GOP butt-kissers are avoiding this one like the Plague.

Golly Falcon84, how mature! Taking pleasure from someone else's misfortunes. Personally, I don't find it important. It's not like he stole classified documents from the national archives, which is what President Bill Clinton's National Security Adviser [Sandy Berger] did.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...andy_berger_and_the_clinton_c.html

June 04, 2007
Sandy Berger and the Clinton Cover-Up - Why It Matters


On May 17th, Sandy Berger, President Bill Clinton's National Security Adviser, voluntarily gave up his law license and with it the right to practice law. That is a stunning move for an accomplished lawyer, one of the nation's most influential public officials. Someone should take note. In fact, everyone should.

Berger previously entered a deal with the Department of Justice after he was caught stealing and destroying highly sensitive classified material regarding the Clinton Administration's handling of terrorism issues. That deal allowed him to avoid jail time, pay a modest fine, and keep his law license. It also allowed him to avoid full explanation of what he had taken and why he had taken it.



 
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:38 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 37):
But until it is documented that he asked for a hummer then he is just an ass blocking my way out of the bathroom.

Sen. Craig allegedly waved his hand under the stall wall, too. Unless he was asking the cop to pass him some T.P., that would be a serious red flag that he wanted something.

Quoting OU812 (Reply 44):
Golly Falcon84, how mature! Taking pleasure from someone else's misfortunes.

Not that it's unwarranted! When your voting record is clearly anti-gay, and you get busted for allegedly cruising the airport bathroom for a random sexual encounter with a man, I say that person in question deserves all the shit that is thrown at him.

I have little sympathy for how he feels, because maybe some gay couple would be living a little easier if it wasn't for the way he votes (voted.)
 
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:38 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 42):
So what if it doesn't explicitly say it? He pleaded guilty no?

He pleaded (that word doesn't look right, should it be plead?) guilty to a charge of Disorderly Conduct, not Solicitation of Sex.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 42):
It is like hiding a CD in your pants at a store, and you get stopped before actually leaving the store. Probably not enough to get a jury to convict you, but all can see what the intent was.

But in your theoretical you have possession of something in a place that you shouldn't thus showing your intent. I'm just saying that the ability to show intent in his case to get a gay hummer in the bathroom is harder to prove based on the ability to claim no knowledge of this gay tapping code and that he was some other way impaired and that led him to blocking the door to the stall and tapping his feet.

I'm not defending him but rather just saying we are assuming he is gay based on some disorderly conduct violation.

For all intensive purposes he was there looking for some loving and deep down inside he is a hypocrite but until he pleads guilty to solicitation of sex he is only guilty of being an ass in public.
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:40 am

Apparently this is not the first time the Senator has been caught cruising guys in public places:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/localnews/story/143801.html
 
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 46):
But in your theoretical you have possession of something in a place that you shouldn't thus showing your intent.

You can claim that you have Britney Spear's CD in your pant because:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 39):
were just drunk, slightly deranged,



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 46):
just saying we are assuming he is gay b

You say it like it is a crime
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RE: Sen. Craig Pleas For Disorderly Conduct

Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 48):
You say it like it is a crime

Now you are putting words in my mouth.

I'm saying your example of stealing a CD where you have something physical in a place where you shouldn't is nothing like him tapping his foot outside a stall and I'm certainly not saying being gay or even looking for gay sex is a crime.

I'm just saying that if he was charged with Solicitation of Sex then he had the ability to fight the charge based on claiming no knowledge of this gay tap code. Since he was charged with Disorderly Conduct he really didn't have a way to fight the charge.

Again, not defending him, not saying being gay is bad...just saying he was charged with Disorderly Conduct and not Soliciting Sex.
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