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Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:22 pm

Ok folks,

The excitement is really starting to build up now. From now on any point for the 4 drivers in front are really important.
Second place is first to loose.

When looking at the fastest lap over the course of a whole race, Kimi is the one who is setting these, but he needs to get his qualifying right to be able to transfer that in to a win.

Hamilton still leading, but now by "only" 5 points. Will he be able to keep his head cool? Remains to be seen.
I say he has the most pressure as he can not loose any points, while the other 3 will continue doing what they been doing, catching him.

Alonso,
Have he put the happenings behind him and started to race again for the championship? Sure hope so because he didn't win his titles due to a bad drive.

Massa,
Well, he is a wild card to me. Not really sure where he will end up in a race. Inconsistent I think.


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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:31 pm

Quoting Sudden (Thread starter):
doing, catching him.

Alonso,
Have he put the happenings behind him and started to race again for the championship? Sure hope so because he didn't win his titles due to a bad drive.

He should win provided he gets 1 more win and finishes ahead of Hamilton for the rest of the season.
 
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:50 pm

Quoting Sudden (Thread starter):
The excitement is really starting to build up now.

Well there probably won't be much excitement in terms of action and passing on the track.....

Monza is an easy call to make.

Massa to win ahead of Kimi, BMW threatening McLaren but ultimately falling a little short.

Actually i can see a Top 5 identical to that in Turkey
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:15 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 2):
Massa to win ahead of Kimi

Think this time that Kimi will make it better than Massa in the qualifying. So I think that he will win. Really hope so. Think that Alonso will finish ahead of Hamilton this race.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:36 am

Wow...A week early for this thread eh?...I wasn't expecting it till next week.

I am hoping that Hamilton finishes ahead of Alonso. and Massa Finishes ahead of Kimi.


and what happened to posting laps around the circuit?

Here We Are....Rubens Barrichello 2004 Record Setting Lap.

 
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:09 am

I hope Hammy will stay # 1.  Silly
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 4):
Wow...A week early for this thread eh?...I wasn't expecting it till next week.

I know I am early with this one, but 2 weeks? What to do, what to dooo?  Wink


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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
hope Hammy will stay # 1.

I dont have anything against Hammy but I hope that Alonso will pass Hamilton in the champion ship because then Kimi hopefully can close the gap little more.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:49 am

Tough one to call at this stage but i think Ferrari will get a win but Mclaren will dominate the Belgian GP
the follwing week.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting Tango29 (Reply 8):
Mclaren will dominate the Belgian GP
the follwing week.

Hope really that it will not be so.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting Tango29 (Reply 8):
Tough one to call at this stage but i think Ferrari will get a win but Mclaren will dominate the Belgian GP
the follwing week.

I'd have to disagree with you there. I think that from La Source to Les Combes and from Stavelot to Bus Stop, Ferrari will be able to really use gain an advantage over the rest of the field. From Les Combes to Fagnes, the Mclarens will be better suited to that part of the circuit.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:09 am

Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 10):
I think that from La Source to Les Combes and from Stavelot to Bus Stop, Ferrari will be able to really use gain an advantage over the rest of the field. From Les Combes to Fagnes, the Mclarens will be better suited to that part of the circuit.

 checkmark  I agree. Of course the one thing that could change everything is rain - always likely at Spa - and as its a month later than normal then its even more likely.



On another note, the drivers championship table is really interesting at the moment in one respect. I can't remember the time it was quite so clear on a team by team basis, despite what seems to have been a really mixed competitive season. At present the drivers championship standings if you look at the cars they drive is:

McLaren, McLaren, Ferrari, Ferrari, BMW, BMW, Renault, Renault, Williams, Williams, Red Bull, Red Bull, Toyota, Toyota.

Its only when you get down to Sato in 15th that the symmetry stops.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:43 am

Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 10):
I'd have to disagree with you there. I think that from La Source to Les Combes and from Stavelot to Bus Stop, Ferrari will be able to really use gain an advantage over the rest of the field. From Les Combes to Fagnes, the Mclarens will be better suited to that part of the circuit.

that sounds better. Hope that Ferrari will win there.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 11):
On another note, the drivers championship table is really interesting at the moment in one respect. I can't remember the time it was quite so clear on a team by team basis, despite what seems to have been a really mixed competitive season. At present the drivers championship standings if you look at the cars they drive is:

McLaren, McLaren, Ferrari, Ferrari, BMW, BMW, Renault, Renault, Williams, Williams, Red Bull, Red Bull, Toyota, Toyota.

Its only when you get down to Sato in 15th that the symmetry stops

Did never think about that. Interesting. Hopefully it will end Ferrari (Kimi) Mclaren (Hamilton/Alonso) Ferrari (Massa)

[Edited 2007-08-31 21:44:28]
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:07 am

A big factor in deciding the next two races - mores o Spa perhaps than Monza is engines. Who's going to have engine failures?

Both Monza and Spa are very hard on engines, with a good majority of each circuit been full throttle.

I know the engines are put through extensive testing on extremely long runs - literarlly testing to failure, but it will be very interesting to see if the Ferrari and Mercedes power plants can do the distance.
 
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:51 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 13):
A big factor in deciding the next two races - mores o Spa perhaps than Monza is engines. Who's going to have engine failures?

For a majority of teams, will eat be the 1st or 2nd run for the engines. If Monza is the first race for new engines, i would imagine that they would be run at slightly reduced revs to ensure longevity.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:55 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 13):

I know the engines are put through extensive testing on extremely long runs - literarlly testing to failure, but it will be very interesting to see if the Ferrari and Mercedes power plants can do the distance.

Both are yet to suffer engine failures this season. Which is especially odd for the Mercedes engine, and considering Kimi is at the wheel of the Ferrari it's also strange.
 
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:52 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 15):

Both are yet to suffer engine failures this season.

Well don't go tempting fate. If either (or both!) Mclaren's have engine failures it will be disastrous for their championships efforts.
 
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:54 pm

Quoting BA757 (Reply 16):
Well don't go tempting fate. If either (or both!) Mclaren's have engine failures it will be disastrous for their championships efforts.

And if that happens I will be so happy so I will begin to cry.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:59 pm

Quoting BA757 (Reply 16):
If either (or both!) Mclaren's have engine failures it will be disastrous for their championships efforts.

Can't see that happening reliability has been Mclaren's strongpoint this season.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting Tango29 (Reply 18):
reliability has been Mclaren's strongpoint this season

Of course... they found out how to make reliable cars and engines from the Ferrari book they "borrowed"

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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 19):

Of course... they found out how to make reliable cars and engines from the Ferrari book they "borrowed"

Yet to be proven.
 
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 19):
Of course... they found out how to make reliable cars and engines from the Ferrari book they "borrowed"

Thank you for that fantastic comment. Will see what happens when McLaren will meet FIA again in 15th September I think.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:49 am

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 19):
Of course... they found out how to make reliable cars and engines from the Ferrari book they "borrowed"

How many errors and failures have ferrari had this season???
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting Tango29 (Reply 22):
How many errors and failures have ferrari had this season???

Compared to McLaren's rather poor record 13 retirements last season alone.... not that many...

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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 23):
Compared to McLaren's rather poor record 13 retirements last season alone.... not that many...

And Alonso v. Kimi? Damn cheerleaders.
 
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:43 am

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 23):
Compared to McLaren's rather poor record 13 retirements last season alone.... not that many...

Agreed, but what did ferrari have to show at then end of the season? same as Mclaren.....nothing!
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:16 am

Either way... I just don't want Hamilton to win the WDC this year... and being a die hard Ferrari fan...I must say I would prefer Alonso to take the title and he might even pull it off....

Ferrari then can start working hard for 2008 so they can again unleash "La Furia Rossa" and whoop some rear wings...

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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 26):
I just don't want Hamilton to win the WDC this year.

We've noticed.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 26):
can again unleash "La Furia Rossa"

And Kimi will break it  Silly
 
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:15 am

As a brazilian I'm of course hoping that Felipe gets this one as well. Wouldn't be all too upset if Kimi got it either  Smile

The important thing is to see the Ferraris winning!

Again, "Forza Ferrari"!!!!

In any event, may the best man win!

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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:53 pm

Well it seems Spyker has another aviation connection now - following on from the Etihad sponsorship.

Seems Vijay Mallya of Kingfisher breweries and airline fame is going to buy into the team....

http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~1~id~153786.htm
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:46 pm

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 26):
I just don't want Hamilton to win the WDC this year... and being a die hard Ferrari fan...I must say I would prefer Alonso to take the title and he might even pull it off....

Even though i am a big Mclaren fan i don't think he will win, i reckon Fernando will come good but it won't
be easy for him. However, i won't be too sad if kimi or massa wins cos they are both great drivers and the 4
of them are giving us a season to remember.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 29):
Seems Vijay Mallya of Kingfisher breweries and airline fame is going to buy into the team....

Not only that, VJM also wants to hire Ralf Schumacher.

http://www.sport1.de/de/sport/artikel_1647631.html (German only)

I guess this only shows that VJM does not know anything about F1, even if he knows Ralf Schumacher personally. I mean, who the hell is crazy enough to hire Ralf these days?  rotfl 
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 31):
who the hell is crazy enough to hire Ralf these days?

Someone who knows nothing about F1 and has more money than sense!
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:15 am

Quoting Tango29 (Reply 32):
Someone who knows nothing about F1 and has more money than sense!

It was a rhetorical question.  Wink But we both agree with that. I mean, Vijay Mallya doesn't know anything about F1, so he probably doesn't know that Ralf is a joke as a driver. Now, if VJM had hired Michael Schumacher, or other old generation tier 1 Formula 1 drivers as a sort of spokesman or senior advisor for the team, that may have given him more credibility. But like I said, Ralf is a joke. If it wasn't for Willi Weber and maybe the driving of his brother, he woulnd't have made it to F1, regardless of how many lower formulae he won.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 33):
Vijay Mallya doesn't know anything about F1

And how do you know that?

You could say he knows as much (maybe even more) than any of us, so using your theory, what do we know about F1?  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 33):
Ralf is a joke. If it wasn't for Willi Weber and maybe the driving of his brother, he woulnd't have made it to F1, regardless of how many lower formulae he won.

Agreed, can't really see him having an F1 career after the end of the season, what do F1 fans in Germany think
of Ralf? can't really compare him to micheal, different class.......
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting Tango29 (Reply 35):
can't really compare him to micheal, different class.......

I cant even think that they are brother when they drive. They drive so different.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:48 pm

Ralph to join Audi DTM next season!?
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/...-boss-ralf-would-be-great-for-dtm/

I don't think he has much of a choice if he wants to continue racing.

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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:02 pm

Quoting Sudden (Reply 37):
Ralph to join Audi DTM next season!?

Where he will get dominated by Mika Hakkinen  Silly
 
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:23 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 38):
Where he will get dominated by Mika Hakkinen

LOL!
So back to basics for Ralphie.

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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:08 pm

Quoting Sudden (Reply 39):
LOL!
So back to basics for Ralphie.

I reckon if he went back to karts his son would dominate him
 
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:21 pm

The one thing I do hope doesn't happen at Monza (but fear it might) is a repeat of last years antics where the stewards come up with a blatantly ridiculous decision to penalise Alonso or Hamilton in order to aid Ferrari.

Pretty much everyone in the paddock found the decision that because Alonso allegedly held up Massa for a nanosecond then he should be penalised so heavily and have his times disallowed.

I really hope something like that doesn't happen again - if so then Italy should be dumped off the calendar for the next season at least.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:16 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 41):

I dont think that this will happen this year to.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:33 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 41):
Pretty much everyone in the paddock found the decision that because Alonso allegedly held up Massa for a nanosecond then he should be penalised so heavily and have his times disallowed.

Well,
Pretty stupid of Massa to file a complaint in the first place, but he got away with it.

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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 41):
really hope something like that doesn't happen again - if so then Italy should be dumped off the calendar for the next season at least.

Well it has happened, i just heard that the stewards have launched an investgation into a new lightweight gearbox
Mclaren are planning to use this weekend, they got the ok from the FIA to use it Hungary but because it had'nt done
any crash etc tests they used the old gearbox in Turkey and the tests were carried out in the last few days and the gearbox
passed all the tests so Mclaren are going to use it in Monza. What concern is it of the Monza stewards what Mclaren
did in Hungary they should just shut up and worry about there own race, I'm sure if Mclaren had 2 Italian drivers this
would'nt be happening???

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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting Tango29 (Reply 44):
Well it has happened, i just heard that the stewards have launched an investgation into a new lightweight gearbox
Mclaren are planning to use this weekend,

This is annoying. As maybe everybody knows I am a Ferrari fan, so I really like when McLaren gets problem. But this is just to much.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 45):
This is annoying. As maybe everybody knows I am a Ferrari fan, so I really like when McLaren gets problem. But this is just to much.

It is a bit much and after the whole Alonso/Massa episode last year the FIA should step in and do something
about it. I am a Mclaren fan so it brings a smile to my face when Ferrari has a problem, but putting all rivalries
aside we all want to see world championships won on track by the best drivers in the sport and not by some
peoples bullshit agenda's that ruin it for everyone.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting Tango29 (Reply 46):
but putting all rivalries
aside we all want to see world championships won on track by the best drivers in the sport and not by some
peoples bullshit agenda's that ruin it for everyone.

 checkmark  Exactly.

this was just the sort of nonsense i was concerned might happen. I hope the FIA clamp down on this very quickly.
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 47):
I hope the FIA clamp down on this very quickly

Me too, at this stage of the season with only a few races left and 4 drivers in the running for the WDC
why ruin it?
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RE: Formula 1 Round 13 Italy

Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:02 am

All this stuff is really starting to piss me off.

Ferrari are hardly the sports most 'sporting team' if you like. They don't have a particularly good track record for not cheating, or using illegal cars and dirty tactics.

The Italian press and Ferrari need to stop throwing their dummy's out the pram and face reality. The FIA need to stop meddling with the championship as well.

If Mclaren are thrown out of this and next years championship it will be simply disgusting. The Italians simply want to find any reason to get Mclaren withdrawn, possibly because they can't deal with they are possibly going to be beaten again this season.

And now, what's this new evidence BS all about? Emails between Alonso & De La Rosa about Ferrari setups? Laughable...

If Ferrari wreck this season with the FIA's help... this is why people don't watch F1.
If Mclaren are found to be innocent in all this, which I believe they will, Ferrari should be charged with bringing the sport in to disrepute.

To Ferrari, the Italian Press, and the FIA for good measure: vaffanculo pezzo di merda.

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