redngold
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More Driver Ignorance

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:48 am

Okay, I'll start by saying, "I was an idiot." I ran out of gas today, literally a few dozen yards from a gas station. That gets me idiot of the day, especially considering that I knew I was near empty and didn't plan to get gas before driving across town for an appointment.

The result was that I got stuck in the left turn lane at a major intersection. I immediately called the auto club to get someone to help me move, and they put in an expedited call. I wasn't going to leave my car for the gas station because of where it was located in the road (not to mention being on the edge of a not-so-good neighborhood.) I also didn't accept any offers from people who said they would push my car with theirs, because you never know what kind of damage that could do, or what damage people might claim as a result of their "help."

Instead, I put on my hazard lights, put the trans in neutral, and kept my seatbelt on. Even with the hazard lights, and even though I was waving at people to go around, they kept coming up behind me and blowing their horns. Okay, so I figure, it's easy enough to miss that both lights are flashing, so maybe they think I'm signalling a left turn and asleep at the wheel.

When it was safe, I went and laid a red flare in the middle of the lane, about twenty feet behind me.

People started driving right over the flare and continuing to beep and curse at me. Finally someone drove their tire right over the flare and extinguished it.

I went and laid another flare, this time tipping it up over the remainder of the previous flare, so that the flame would point directly at the driver of a vehicle trying to pull in behind me.

Same thing happened.

Finally I laid a third flare, back behind the original site, so that it blocked the "open" area of the lane before the white markings began.

People continued doing the same thing, except now some of them had guilty smiles as they pulled around, apparently realizing that flares mean something is blocking up ahead!

Doesn't anyone know that you're not supposed to drive over a flare? What if their car was leaking oil or gas? Doesn't anyone pay attention to what is ahead anymore? I was on a wide open boulevard with a median strip where they could see me from blocks ahead. There was no excuse!

I will give credit to two groups of people: those who stopped to offer a cell phone or to push my vehicle with theirs (I did thank them, although I declined) and most graciously, the two employees of the gas station who finally came over and physically pushed my car to their station. The auto club was about five minutes out so I was able to cancel my call.

We all know about road rage but this was ridiculous.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:09 am

Quoting Redngold (Thread starter):
Doesn't anyone know that you're not supposed to drive over a flare? What if their car was leaking oil or gas?

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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:31 am

Quoting Redngold (Thread starter):
People started driving right over the flare and continuing to beep and curse at me. Finally someone drove their tire right over the flare and extinguished it.

If you want to truly see human stupidity, and realize your own mortality at the same time try directing traffic in an intersection on a university campus on the first day of fall classes.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:12 pm

"Oh look a red thing on fire, lets go park on it!"

Should be something they cover in drivers ed courses. Unfortunately, in many places these courses are not required, which is just stupid I think. Driving a car/truck/etc definately involves enough knowledge to make a course worth taking, and I think our roads would at least be somewhat safer if every driver took one of these courses.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 1):
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 checkmark  Even without taking the course, the flares and hazard lights should be relatively obvious...


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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:34 pm

Next time Red, open your hood.

Works like a charm, every time...
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:59 pm

like you said yourself,if you failed to fill up in the first place knowing you were low on petrol,then no one is to blame here but yourself and you wouldn't be in that situation in the first place......deal with it.


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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:13 pm

IIRC, it's illegal to drive over a highway flare in Wisconsin. The State Patrol doesn't like people to run over their flares and often nail violators for two or three violations when they do. It's a fast way to lose $1000.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:20 pm

Quoting Captoveur (Reply 2):
If you want to truly see human stupidity, and realize your own mortality at the same time try directing traffic in an intersection on a university campus on the first day of fall classes.

Try directing traffic at your local 7,000 seat mega church on any given sunday. God stays in the building... the parking lot is a dangerous place.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 7):
Try directing traffic at your local 7,000 seat mega church on any given sunday. God stays in the building... the parking lot is a dangerous place.

I just don't get how people can miss either the flaming red stick.. or the 6'something guy in the uniform waving his arms. I really worry about the future of our country.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:03 pm

And that's why we have reflecting triangles in Europe. Easy to see, and running them over WILL cause damage :P
 
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:07 pm

I was sort of surprised to see two of three police cars with officers directing traffic before and after church services while I was in Texas. I've never seen that before anywhere else in the country.

Why is that done? Around here, they hire private traffic control companies to herd the church and funeral attendees like sheep. More likely, the church-goers simply arrive early to avoid the rush or patiently wait their turn to leave.

Government-owned police agencies shouldn't be wasting their time and resources playing shepherd with private businesses.

[Edited 2007-10-03 16:23:40]
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):
was sort of surprised to see two of three police cars with officers directing traffic before and after church services while I was in Texas.



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):
Why is that done?

Invest a little work now to save more work later. All those accident reports would take up a lot of man hours.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:01 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):
I was sort of surprised to see two of three police cars with officers directing traffic before and after church services while I was in Texas. I've never seen that before anywhere else in the country.

They were probably off duty. Were I live police officers are allowed to use their cars and ware their uniform to do off duty traffic control. The business owner pays the officers for their time.
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redngold
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 9):
And that's why we have reflecting triangles in Europe.

I have one, and thought about putting it out, but that's just one more thing to get run over... or stolen by someone before I can get out of my car again. People are less likely to pick up a burning flare.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 4):
xt time Red, open your hood.

Well, since I was "in the 'hood" I didn't want to risk losing part of my engine... and that's not a racist comment, that's the truth today in our area. Parts of my car have already been stolen by scrappers, right in front of my apartment building in a "good" part of town.


Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):
Government-owned police agencies shouldn't be wasting their time and resources playing shepherd with private businesses.

The police are usually either off-duty or the department charges the private entity for the service. Also, if you think of it as a safety issue, then it is a police matter - until some sort of traffic control device can be installed (as many large churches or other businesses have, an on-demand stoplight placed at the egress.)

Quoting Express1 (Reply 5):

Thanks for stomping on my already deflated ego. Got anything useful to say?

[Edited 2007-10-03 17:28:46]
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:24 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):
Government-owned police agencies shouldn't be wasting their time and resources playing shepherd with private businesses.

They were off duty. The going rate for church herding in SAT is about $30 an hour, and some departments let them go in uniform with a department vehicle.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:45 am

You know, I just finished writing a post to take the piss out of you. However, that was only because I thought you were Rootsair. When I saw 'Redngold' and remembered you were a woman, well, it figured so I've deleted it now.

Thanks for the laugh though! Big grin
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:27 pm

Didn't the gas station have a jerry can you could borrow? By the time you'd stood there directing traffic and putting the flares out, you could have been there and back if it was only a couple of dozen yards away. I always have a spare (empty - full is dangerous and illegal here!) small 5L (+/- 1.5 US gall.) plastic jerry can, jump leads, and a tow road as standard equipment in my cars plus the stuff I legally have to carry like hi-viz jacket and warning triangle.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:51 pm

Quoting Redngold (Thread starter):
I wasn't going to leave my car for the gas station because of where it was located in the road (not to mention being on the edge of a not-so-good neighborhood.)



Quoting Redngold (Thread starter):
I also didn't accept any offers from people who said they would push my car with theirs, because you never know what kind of damage that could do, or what damage people might claim as a result of their "help."



Quoting Redngold (Reply 13):
I have one, and thought about putting it out, but that's just one more thing to get run over... or stolen by someone before I can get out of my car again. People are less likely to pick up a burning flare.



Quoting Redngold (Reply 13):
Well, since I was "in the 'hood" I didn't want to risk losing part of my engine...

Paranoid much?  Yeah sure
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:55 pm

Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 17):

Being paranoid works better in my area these days. If you had read for my reasons, someone already stole parts off my car a few months ago, that I have yet to replace. (I have huge gaps between my taillights and rear bumper because of this.) Crime is terrible around here right now. It's hard to trust anyone.

If you want evidence, see http://www.cleveland.com/news
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:25 pm

Quoting Redngold (Reply 18):
Crime is terrible around here right now. It's hard to trust anyone.

I used to live in Cleveland and have driven in some very bad places, in the middle of the night, with a decent car. I have never had, seen, or heard of anyone stealing parts off a car that was in the middle of the road amongst traffic. I think you are just a wee bit paranoid. Either that or this whole story is B.S.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:21 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 19):

I used to live in Cleveland and have driven in some very bad places, in the middle of the night, with a decent car. I have never had, seen, or heard of anyone stealing parts off a car that was in the middle of the road amongst traffic. I think you are just a wee bit paranoid. Either that or this whole story is B.S.

I've definately seen it before. Someone broke down off of E. 93rd here in CLE, and less than 20 minutes later the hood, one door and 2 wheels were missing and the car was pushed off to the side of the road.
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redngold
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:18 am

Airfoilsguy - All right,    short of having a photograph that I can scan, I will try to show you what happened.

Try having this ripped off your car while it is parked right in front of your apartment, leaving tool marks on your bumper, and then see how you feel about leaving your car alone and exposed:
http://www.carpartswholesale.com/inc...RpbmcsIEdyb3VuZCBTaGlwcGluZyBPbmx5


I was near where Dan2002 stated: the intersection of East 79th and Chester Ave. Although there was a lot of traffic between 2:30-3:00 PM, you never know who might pull up to help themselves.

I could e-mail you the police report, but you wouldn't believe it anyway.

p.s. I used to drive all over Cleveland and even East Cleveland at all hours of the day, but things have seriously changed for the worse.

[Edited 2007-10-04 17:29:38]
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting Redngold (Reply 21):
I could e-mail you the police report, but you wouldn't believe it anyway.

The incident report number will do.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting Redngold (Thread starter):
What if their car was leaking oil or gas?

Then you're an idiot for lighting a flare in the close proximity of and within easy contact to highly flammable materials, no?
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting Redngold (Thread starter):
Instead, I put on my hazard lights, put the trans in neutral, and kept my seatbelt on.

Never a good idea to sit in your car, while disabled on a roadway  bitelip  I would have (and have done) stood on the island separating the traffic lane, so I could see traffic coming, and if you saw a car coming that wasn't going to stop, you would have a better chance to get out of there unhurt.

Quoting Redngold (Thread starter):
That gets me idiot of the day, especially considering that I knew I was near empty and didn't plan to get gas before driving across town for an appointment.

Finally, its safe to say that you're not going to do this again..
 
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 24):
Never a good idea to sit in your car, while disabled on a roadway

But if you do sit in it make sure you keep your seat belt and the ignition on. This way if you do get hit the airbag will work and you will be protected.  Smile
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting Redngold (Thread starter):
I also didn't accept any offers from people who said they would push my car with theirs, because you never know what kind of damage that could do

Why not push the car to the side of the road by hand? With a little help from one or two people it's no big deal.
 
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):
I was sort of surprised to see two of three police cars with officers directing traffic before and after church services while I was in Texas. I've never seen that before anywhere else in the country.

Out here in Arizona, the Sheriff's Auxilary takes on that job as it involves controlling traffic on a public right of way. However, Arizona law does allow for private companies (authorized by the county sheriff's office) to perform funeral escort duties using escort vehicles equipped with red and blue lightbars and sirens. These privately owned vehicles are considered emergecy vehicles when being used for escort functions and have all rights and responsibilities of any other emergency vehicle.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:22 pm

Quoting OV735 (Reply 26):
Why not push the car to the side of the road by hand? With a little help from one or two people it's no big deal.

That's exactly how this got solved. You didn't read thoroughly - I only turned down offers by people who wanted to push my car with theirs.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:22 pm

People who don't turn on their headlights in rain and/or fog piss me off..
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:15 pm

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 29):
People who don't turn on their headlights in rain and/or fog piss me off..

especially if it's a white vehicle in a snow storm.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:32 pm

Quoting Redngold (Reply 13):
I didn't want to risk losing part of my engine

Just as I was going to post something, Airfoilsguy had my response.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 19):
I have never had, seen, or heard of anyone stealing parts off a car that was in the middle of the road amongst traffic.



Quoting Redngold (Reply 21):
Try having this ripped off your car while it is parked right in front of your apartment,

Being in front of your house, engine off and to the side is far different than in an intersection in traffic.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 28):
I only turned down offers by people who wanted to push my car with theirs.

If need be and you feel that threatened/uncomfortable in an area, that may well be your only option. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do.

For what it is worth, always be prudent and plan ahead wisely. If you have the need to drive through "bad" areas. Fill it up before you go. Be proactive.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:21 pm

Quoting Redngold (Thread starter):
Instead, I put on my hazard lights, put the trans in neutral, and kept my seatbelt on.

Damn, Red, you are way too brave (or crazy), man. I´d never sit in my car in this situation...the probability of getting smashed in the back is huge. You´d better dump the car and wait by the sidewalk or at least away from it.
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RE: More Driver Ignorance

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 29):
People who don't turn on their headlights in rain and/or fog piss me off..

That and people who use only their parking lights at twilight are on my list.
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