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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:46 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 94):
I may not be the expert on the Bible, but there is as much violence in Islamic history as there is in Jewish or Christian histories.

Islam is associated with Islamic terrorism because that is the association that the terrorists themselves choose to make.

Those who compare crime committed by people who happen to be nominal members of other religions to religious terror committed explicitly in the name of Islam are comparing apples to oranges.

Yes, some of the abortion clinic bombers were religious (as some enjoy pointing out), but consider the scope of the problem. There were five deadly attacks over a 35 year period in the U.S. Seven people died. This is an average of one death every five years.

By contrast, Islamic terrorists have staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If you go back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million over this same period.

In the last six years, there have been perhaps a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of all other faiths combined. No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and a radical clergy that supports the terror.

Some may like to pretend that other religions are just as subject to "misinterpretation" as is their “perfect” one, but the reality speaks of something far worse.

The Quran contains dozens of verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers, and kill the infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

These verses are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not embedded within historical context (as are nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

As for your point about native americans, yes, it was bad, but it is irrelevant today because it is past history - nobody who committed those crimes is alive today, and our culture has changed to the point that it is highly unlikely that we would do such a thing again.

About the Crusades, here are some quick facts…

The first Crusade began in 1095… 460 years after the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies, 457 years after Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies, 453 years after Egypt was taken by Muslim armies, 443 after Muslims first plundered Italy, 427 years after Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople, 380 years after Spain was conquered by Muslim armies, 363 years after France was first attacked by Muslim armies, 249 years after Rome itself was sacked by a Muslim army, and only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians.

By the time the Crusades finally began, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world. Did Christians go overboard in their retribution? Most certainly. But you would note that nowhere in the New Testament does it say to act like this. In spite of the wars being called religious "Crusades", the wars were more about plain old conquest, wealth and power, and basically made up their so-called religious justification. The Quran does provide such justification.

If you want to start a different thread on the subject, we can go through it Sura by Sura. We've already gone off-topic enough.

[Edited 2007-10-25 19:49:21]
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 100):
The Quran contains dozens of verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers, and kill the infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Okay, might as well call you Anet's own Imam. Obviously Christianity has a history of tolerance.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 100):
yes, it was bad, but it is irrelevant today because it is past history

yes, because we can always call something irrelevant when we dont want to address it, and your stance on Crusades, well its a little unconvential but what more could I expect, and just as you downplayed the genocide of the Americas, I am going to downplay the conquest of "Christian" lands by Muslims Armies, because as you said no one is alive from that time therefore it is irrelevant.

PS, where do you learn about Islam, one of those sites on the Web whose sole purpose is to discredit it?
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 64):
The Dems can count on solid support in the far West, the Midwest and the Northeast. I guess you're blinded by those facts, aren't you? To think this nations is just going to blindly elect another Republican, with as low as Mr. Bush's n umbers are, ins fascinating thinking.

How exactly is the ultra-liberal/socialist Hillary going to carry the moderate vote? I consider myself down the middle, and there isn't a shot in hell I'd vote for her.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 64):
How's that? Gore lost it by a handful of votes; Kerry was very competitive in Florida. Florida does lean GOP, but it's far from a sure thing, especially with Jeb Bush no long at the helm in Florida.

Kerry was a boob, but Hillary is the most polarizing candidate the Dems could throw out there. How is she going to woo over borderline voters?

She isn't. The Dems will lose with Obama or Hillary.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 100):
The Quran contains dozens of verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers.

Cfalk , very good post my friend.

The problem here is that the Islamist are not living in the correct age I would say. As in the Book of Samuel the prophet calls on the armies of David to strike down their enemies. The prophet Samuel tells David that God wants him to strike all living things from the camp of the enemies of Israel. The modern Israelis to not interpret these versus to apply to the modern world in which they live. And god help the Muslims if they did ...


On topic .... I do believe that Sen. Clinton has got to be in lead all the away around. Right now I would say she has the "appearance" of having it handled. I also believe that the Stock Market is sensing a Clinton victory or a democrat majority increase. I know housing is sliding , but consumers are pulling back and stocks are selling off or beginning to position to do so. As a investor I am expecting a slide in the SM as we get closer , not Sen. Clinton's fault directly .. but I guess I will be expecting higher cost ..or taxes with a Dem victory.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 103):
The problem here is that the Islamist are not living in the correct age I would say.

I might disagree on that. Islam is about 900 years younger than Christianity. They may just be on the same pace at maturing as Christianity. This is their "crusade" time, perhaps. I'm not making excuses for terrorism, but of the three Faiths of the Book, Islam is the youngest, and very young by those three faiths. Maybe they just haven't developed yet like the other two.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 103):
I also believe that the Stock Market is sensing a Clinton victory or a democrat majority increase. I know housing is sliding , but consumers are pulling back and stocks are selling off or beginning to position to do so.

Already letting GOP policy slide, and ready to blame a Democrat before they're in office, eh, AGM? :-i
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:08 am

As a republican it hurts me to say this, but I want Hillary to win! althought if Al Gore were to run...
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:24 am

McCain would be my first choice, I like someone who can think for themselves and say what they believe rather than what they think people want to hear. I just hope he can pick up in the polls so that he is competitive. God only knows why Thompson is polling so high, he really is a lightweight as far as I can tell. I worry about Giuliani's abrasive way of getting thing done but I guess this could be a good if he gets stuff done. Romney, he seems to say only what he think will get his poll numbers higher.

I don't trust Hillary she just seems very false - more evidence this week with her fake pet cat:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...us_and_americas/article2702804.ece
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:26 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 105):
As a republican it hurts me to say this, but I want Hillary

So do I. I want her to pass Charlie Rangels 1 trillion dollar tax hike. I want her to pass socialized medicine into being. If you think the tax you pay now is bad, you ain't seen nothin yet. When the economy starts to tank I want to hear people here defend that huge tax increase. When you have to wait for medical care along with a bunch of illegals I want to hear the people here defend socialized medical care. I want her to pull the troops out of Iraq the day after she is sworn in. I want her to stop the government from using surveillance and interrogation techniques that might uncover other terrorists. Bring those terrorists at Gitmo to the mainland and give them full Constitutional rights. Then when another terrorist attack occurs inside our own borders I want to hear people here defend those policies.

No President can destroy the country in 8 years. Reagan couldn't, neither could Bill Clinton, GWB, and neither will Hillary Clinton. But she can put a big ole dent in the fender that's for sure. But it would be worth it to finally see that raising taxes, government run health care, and a less than aggressive stance against terrorism are failed policies.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:03 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 64):
Powell was a far better SecState than Condi could ever be.

yeah ok.. As a matter of fact, i'll pick her over Hillary with my eyes closed. Condi isn't gorgeous by any means but looking at that fake mannikin grin of Hillary is enough for me to never want to stare at her again.

Even Bush with a wig is a lot more goodlooking than Hillary... and that's saying something.
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:20 am

Mitt Romney, without a doubt.

Giuliani would make an excellent VP because of his experience in Homeland Security issues and in that thread, militant Islamism. I've been all over a Romney/Giuliani ticket for about a year. As a non-practicing Catholic I find the beliefs of the Mormon religion to be really funny and obtuse, but I've had a few experiences with Mormon families, and you couldn't meet better people.

Mitt has communication skills that are only rivaled by Reagan. His image is perfect. And despite his flip-flopping on abortion, he will support a conservative line.

I believe that Mitt will win the nomination... mark my words. As for whether it's Romney/Huckabee or Romney/Giuliani is anyones guess.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:57 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 94):
oh really. Lemme guess the Quran youre reading was given to you by your Sunday school teacher to "study" Islam and you were given certain "passages" to read to understand Islam. I may not be the expert on the Bible, but there is as much violence in Islamic history as there is in Jewish or Christian histories.

We're living now, not then. There's no comparison between the two now. Furthermore that christian violence your mentioning has to do with the Romans and the Roman catholic church, it has little to do with true followers of Jesus Christ, the original christians.

I have listened to someone from Afghanistan who became Christian. The guy who led him to Christ was an Iranian man who.eventually got murdered by guess who? Islamists in his own country. Even if he was low key wihle doing this, he was still converting people to some other "religion" so, he was killed.

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 101):
the genocide of the Americas

Honestly don't know much details about the "crusades" but in the genocide of the Americans mentioned, those who forcefully wanted to convert the indians were not any better than the muslim terrorists of today, and that was the Catholic church that was involved, not sure I'd call many catholics "christians" especially doing that. These people that were involved in killing of indians were too barbaric to have believed in anything IMO.

One thing is almost certain, if Iraq had been in say, Latin America we wouldn't have seen the blowing of people up and chaos we've witnessed there. With all the US, UK and other countries have done, Iraq would be a pretty normal country by now, and with their oil? It's very possible they'd be doing quite well.

If Bush had gone into Cuba for example, a good majority of the liberals would've called him an a.hole but by now Cuba, and those living there would be so much better off that "the evil Bush" would be seen as a hero instead, 4 years later.

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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 109):
Giuliani would make an excellent VP because of his experience in Homeland Security issues and in that thread, militant Islamism.

And what experience would that be ? Has he run the Dept. of Homeland Security ? Has he engaged and defeated militant Islam, even slightly ? Has he even studied it up close ? Being the victim of a terror attack doesn't automatically make you an expert in how to prevent one from happening again.

In any case Giuliani is hardly a classic red-state Republican - how will he fare in the Bible belt ?
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:40 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 25):
I would take Bill Richardson over anyone. He's the most qualified to be President

Agreed 100%.

He'd make an excellent president.
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:15 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 111):
In any case Giuliani is hardly a classic red-state Republican - how will he fare in the Bible belt ?

That is THE big question. If Guliani is the nominee, I'll be interested to see how the Republicans will get the vote out there. Their message is going to be something like, "No, there is no bible thumper for you to vote for, but it is your civic duty to vote for a candidate - don't just stay home."
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:03 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 111):
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 109):
Giuliani would make an excellent VP because of his experience in Homeland Security issues and in that thread, militant Islamism.

And what experience would that be ? Has he run the Dept. of Homeland Security ?

He looked good after the Towers fell. That's his experience. Come on, Jcs, even you can't be that naive.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:14 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 104):
Already letting GOP policy slide, and ready to blame a Democrat before they're in office, eh, AGM? :-i

I dont know about that , but it sure has been getting shaky. I am not sure how or why this bad news suddenly came about about the Mortgage finance market. Some analysts you hear say that it is not as bad as everyone says but others claim that it is. Again nothing happens by accident especially in 100 billion dolor market like housing. Who started the ball rolling on exposing the sub-prime danger is not clear , but essentially some banker talked to some analyst and the story started snowballing. Then Allen Greenspan comes out and says yep I have been worried about this for a long time .. and boom its on. That is really all its takes to set off a chain reaction. This is has created the current market woes as far as I can tell (not a expert) , and it has a big effect on the economy.

Know one can say for sure how the President who ever it is effects the economy .. I personally believe it is mainly perception of policy rather than policy sometimes . Although I would have to say that tax cuts seem to have a positive effect.

Falcon you can not deny that Sen Clinton is running on a big government platform , and that translates into higher taxes and more bureaucracy... two things that make businesses shudder.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:22 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 115):
. I am not sure how or why this bad news suddenly came about about the Mortgage finance market.

Google "Sub Prime" crisis, and you'll find it. Where have you been? It has nothing to do with the election as of now, but about the Sub Prime mortage crisis. Jeez.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 115):
Falcon you can not deny that Sen Clinton is running on a big government platform

And George Bush ran on a platform of limited/smaller government. What have we gotten? The biggest increase in government, in both size and intrustion, in our nations' history. So what's your point?
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:30 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 113):
Their message is going to be something like, "No, there is no bible thumper for you to vote for, but it is your civic duty to vote for a candidate - don't just stay home."

And that's just not going to get it. The religious right would rather take the defeat and maintain their principals than elect someone who does not believe as they do. Their "leaders" have said that over and over.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 116):
And George Bush ran on a platform of limited/smaller government. What have we gotten? The biggest increase in government, in both size and intrustion, in our nations' history. So what's your point?

The point is the difference. There is now an ongoing war that was not in existence in 2000, well there was but we just weren't fighting it, we just took it on the chin time and time again. Whatever President Bush has done as far as increasing the size and scope of government, it won't hold a candle to what Senator Clinton wants to do, has wanted to do since 1993.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 107):
So do I. I want her to pass Charlie Rangels 1 trillion dollar tax hike. I want her to pass socialized medicine into being. If you think the tax you pay now is bad, you ain't seen nothin yet. When the economy starts to tank I want to hear people here defend that huge tax increase. When you have to wait for medical care along with a bunch of illegals I want to hear the people here defend socialized medical care. I want her to pull the troops out of Iraq the day after she is sworn in. I want her to stop the government from using surveillance and interrogation techniques that might uncover other terrorists. Bring those terrorists at Gitmo to the mainland and give them full Constitutional rights. Then when another terrorist attack occurs inside our own borders I want to hear people here defend those policies.

No President can destroy the country in 8 years. Reagan couldn't, neither could Bill Clinton, GWB, and neither will Hillary Clinton. But she can put a big ole dent in the fender that's for sure. But it would be worth it to finally see that raising taxes, government run health care, and a less than aggressive stance against terrorism are failed policies

Our economy is a mess right now, the dollar is worth less than bunch of rocks and we are spending billions of dollars on a pointless war. Bush is the worst president we have ever had, And no republican candidate is worth 2 cents, none will withdraw from Iraq, none want to fix healthcare, they all want to stay the course, look were staying the course has brought us.

Change of government is good, untill the our party gets rid of the religious Nazis and ideologues that are running it, and we get our common sense back, this republican here will vote Democrat!

And what is so bad about universal healthcare? almost every country in the world has some sort of free healthcare in the US. I dont have health insurance right now, and it scares me.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:08 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 116):
Google "Sub Prime" crisis, and you'll find it.

Of course their is lots of information now , but at some point something triggered the issue and it hit the financial news and that is how it goes. Falcon alot of this is perception and basically it creates hesitation and "fear" for investors. If you combine this with the uncertainties and all the hype over their election it makes you take a hard look at your portfolio.

It works both ways IMO , For instance if a Republican looks like they are going to stay in the lead .. I would stay on my defence and aerospace portfolio ... If Hillary looks like she is going to take it .. I would move away and increase more into say healthcare product mfg's.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 116):
And George Bush ran on a platform of limited/smaller government. What have we gotten? The biggest increase in government, in both size and intrusion, in our nation's history. So what's your point?

I agree , but you should be happy about . And Federal tax revenues are supposedly at a all time high as well ,so increases all the way around. Also take into account a huge bump in homeland security , Iraq war , Katrina , 911 rebuilding expenditures. I think for all the bad stuff that has happened over the past 5-6 years , we have done pretty well. And I am optimistic that it will continue whoever is elected ,, it is just a little less certain I guess.

My point is ,,, you can spend more money if you make more money . More taxes mean consumers make less money ... then tax revenues will go down . But you will all be able to go to the hospital for free ,, so I guess its all good !





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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:07 pm

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 97):
With you being a steelers fan, and me being a Browns fan i never thought we'd agree on anything! I guess i was wrong!

Amazing... isn't it??  Smile

I really do not think she is right for the White House. I would like better healthcare and a much stronger economy for this country, but we also need to be strong about our defense and on top of international issues that affect us as Americans. Someone who thinks we should "leave them alone and they won't bother us," has obviously forgotten 9-11. We left those folks alone, then 19 wacked-up anti-American bastards pulled the rug out from underneath us more than 6 years ago. We need someone with guts to not be afraid to put up a fight for what this country stands for and what it has stood for since July 4, 1776. We also need someone who can follow through with their call to action; not just go "half-way" and think, "ok that's good enough."

George Bush Sr. did this with Desert Storm. He didn't finish the job. Then after the USS Cole incident in the late 1990s, Osama was offered to Clinton on a silver platter, and he turned it down. Of course, GW didn't finish the job when hunting for Bin Laden either... Think... if we hadn't let those mistakes happen when they did, do you think we'd be sitting here talking about Iraq or the War on Terror???

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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 120):
Of course, GW didn't finish the job when hunting for Bin Laden either...

Take a look at this MSNBC story and the the commentary by Col. David Hunt.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21000298/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304306,00.html

I don't know how true it might be, but we might have just missed an opportunity to kill Bin Ladin again. Crap. On the one hand, it's nice to know that we haven't forgotten about him, but damn!
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 121):
Take a look at this MSNBC story and the the commentary by Col. David Hunt.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21000298/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304306,00.html

I don't know how true it might be, but we might have just missed an opportunity to kill Bin Ladin again. Crap. On the one hand, it's nice to know that we haven't forgotten about him, but damn!

That is just sick! If I were to (by chance) come across Bin Laden, I would not even give him the benefit of a trial or anything... I would just start unloading and use my clenched fists to dismantle his face!

But I do like my idea about capturing the P.O.S. and extraditing the thing to New York, tying hs turbin wearing anti-American ass to a lightpost, and pretty much having all New Yorkers crossing the street stopping at the corner there and beating the living s--t outa the bastard until he succumbs. I think that would be the ultimate penalty for the jagoff!

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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 122):
Wouldst thou agree?

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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:04 am

I like Hillary, I think she's sharp as a tack, and she has experience on her side, but i think Edwards could be the sleeper, if he can take the south on super tuesday, he could blindside both Hillary and Obama and walk away with the nomination.
*IF* Obama somehow pulls a miracle and wins the nomination, it's going to put alot of democrats, especially in "fly over country" ie not new york or California, in a quandary with the question "Are we ready for a black Potus?" I think come november, *IF* Obama is on the ballot, we're going to have 4 more years of the GOP in the whitehouse, because as much as the libs would argue otherwise, i don't think most of America feels ready for a black potus. Maybe someday, but not right now.

Finally, A message to Bloomberg: PLease, please, please, Dont run! all he's going to do is take votes away from the dems and ensure 4 more years of the GOP in the whitehouse, so, Mr. Bloomberg, keep your hat out of the ring. We don't want another 2000, where the only thing that kept Gore out of the whitehouse was Ralph Nader.

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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:07 am

Just an innocent question, why is Hillary Clinton so despised amongst the right circles? What has she done to "deserve" such harsh criticism?
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:12 am

My vote will be for Hillary, provided she wins the nomination.

By the way, the thread is rather long....anyone keeping a tab? It would be interested to make this some sort of a poll.

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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 125):
Just an innocent question, why is Hillary Clinton so despised amongst the right circles? What has she done to "deserve" such harsh criticism?

Apart from her socialist policy slant and her greed for power?

I guess what really ticked me off of her happened about 9-10 years ago, when she was first lady. Some female dignitary was visiting the White House - I think it was the Queen of Norway or Denmark or some other Scandinavian royalty. Bill and Hillary were waiting on the steps for her.

As their guest walked up the steps, she tripped and fell down, HARD. Bill instantly bent down to help her, but my eye was drawn to Hillary, because what I saw there, apart from not a single gesture of concern or offer of assistance, was a wry smile - a mean sort of smile like one makes when you've gotten even with someone you dislike. My wife and I both saw it - and my wife had always been something of a Hillary fan.

I never paid much attention to her up until this point, apart from her ham-fisted Hillarycare attempt. But that incident was where I figured that this woman is a cast-iron bitch.

It is the unscripted moments like this that tell you a lot about a person's character, and I simply did not like what I saw.

[Edited 2007-10-26 21:39:58]
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:16 am

Hillary. This country has been moving backwards for the last 8 years. Hillary isn't my favorite candidate, but she seems infinitely more competent than our current president, and actually has an understanding of the world outside the US. Also, I think electing a woman or a minority would be a powerful symbol that the US is returning to its progressive roots, and is moving forward in the 21st century. We've had the good ol' boys in charge for too long.
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:11 pm

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 126):
It would be interested to make this some sort of a poll.

No need .... its pretty much like 4 to 854 for Hillary or Dem A net. GOP supporters on ANET are like the the AL Qada of the Muslim world .. its only a few who cause all the trouble.  Wink

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 128):
Hillary. This country has been moving backwards for the last 8 years

Please define forward..... What would that be... ? And were we moving forward in the 90's ? Anytime I hear someone say that I draw a blank , which is not unusual for me... But what do you see as moving forward.

Priorities I want my next president to work on :

1. Keep the Military strong and equip ed.

2. Do whatever we have to do to Build more organic energy supplies ... ie: Nuke plants , Oil Refineries , New Drilling operations , Ethanol systems .. make it a top priority. !

3. Spend whatever on R&D to develop alternative power for engines or motors or whatever build it and make it happen. We need a 200-300 hp motor that does not use gas .. OK it that to hard >??

There are many things that we could be doing , but I just done see any of the current candidates really being able to get much done.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:18 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 129):
Please define forward..... What would that be... ? And were we moving forward in the 90's ? Anytime I hear someone say that I draw a blank , which is not unusual for me... But what do you see as moving forward.

Moving forward would be defined as:

1) Restoring our reputation in the world and being seen as a member of the global community again.
2) Working with enemies to solve issues rather than ignoring them or calling them names in the press.
3) Paying down our credit card, which the entire Iraq war has been charged to.
4) Bring troops back to the US and abandon the Iraq mistake as soon as feasibly possible.
5) Being progressive on social issues rather than proposing constiututional amendments to limit personal freedom.
6) A renewed focus on domestic policy; attention to our problems at home.

Yes we were moving forward in the 90s. Our reputation throughout most of the world was much stronger than today. There was a budget surplus in the late 1990s, as opposed to a huge deficit that we have now. I was proud to be an American in 1990s, today I am not. I want to be proud of my country as a global citizen again.
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:01 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 129):
Priorities I want my next president to work on :

1. Keep the Military strong and equip ed.

2. Do whatever we have to do to Build more organic energy supplies ... ie: Nuke plants , Oil Refineries , New Drilling operations , Ethanol systems .. make it a top priority. !

3. Spend whatever on R&D to develop alternative power for engines or motors or whatever build it and make it happen. We need a 200-300 hp motor that does not use gas .. OK it that to hard >??

See, I have a big problem with that list. It doesn't deal with problems that are, in my mind, even bigger:

1. Fixing Medicare/Medicade

2. Doing a "go to the moon" type effort to find alternative fuels, reusable fules-not just drilling more and finding more oil.

3. Deal with global warming-and yes, it does exist.

4. Dealing with our huge deficits, and our huge trade imbalences.

5. Dealing with rising health care and drug prescription costs.

Those, to me, are what we need to deal with in the next 2 decades-we can't just look 4 to 8 years down the road. Keeping the military strong is a given, in my view. We must increase our cababilities, which is why I didn't include that.

To say just drill for more oil, and make more efficient big engines solves nothing. Until we loose ourselves from the oil game, we'll keep getting into scraps in places like the Middle East.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 127):

Charles, you just hate the Clintons. Period. Nothing they do will ever change their minds. Nothing they could propose would ever meet with yoru approval. You're one of those who have held a grudge for so long, that you have no clue how to let it go, and have no desire to let it go. And you'll bitch against those of use who can't stand Mr. Bush. So, in a sense, we're even. But just be honest about it. You'll hold everything agaisnt the Clintons. That is the party line, after all.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:24 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 131):
Charles, you just hate the Clintons. Period. Nothing they do will ever change their minds.

I prefer Bill by far. As I said, in an unscripted moment, he reacted well. Overall, he wasn't a bad president (although not the wonderful one people like to say, IMHO).

But I really dislike Hillary. She, more than Bill was the ambitious one.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 131):
You'll hold everything agaisnt the Clintons.

Oh, BS. Clinton had an easy presidency with few major challenges, and while he made some mistakes, he didn't fumble too baldly, and managed a few decent things, like rapprochement with Vietnam and India, for example. But we are talking about Hillary here, and I say she is a snake in the grass.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:58 pm

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 126):
Charles

In due time.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:59 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 132):
Oh, BS. Clinton had an easy presidency with few major challenges,

Does the entire Republican congressional machine go after your hide with a Special Prosecutor for the whole of your second term, constitute a major challenge ? The Republicans went out of their way to crucify him for some pretty pitiful and irrelevant errors of judgement - from the outside, it seemed a shameful and vindictive effort from desperate men without any good ideas of their own.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:32 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 129):
No need .... its pretty much like 4 to 854 for Hillary or Dem A net. GOP supporters on ANET are like the the AL Qada of the Muslim world .. its only a few who cause all the trouble.

It would still be interesting...by the way, why do you inevitably assume that folks here are voting by party line (i.e., GOP or democrat)? I'm actually a registered Republican and voted for Bush in the past. I don't blindly follow parties, I vote for the candidate I think can do the job best. Right now, of all the dems and reps running, Hillary's the only one that appeals to me, but had there been a better candidate (IMO) I would vote for him/her, regardless of party affiliation.

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 133):
In due time.

Thanks in advance!

Charles
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 123):
I'll come with some of my brethren and do a comlete Shabbat service in front of him, concluding with Hatikvah. Then I'd wail on him

Sweeet! That sounds like a plan. You could do that while I say a Rosary beed. Talking about Christians and Jews uniting for one another, eh mate?  Smile
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:19 am

I'm a registered Republican (although I didn't vote for Bush in '00 or '04), but I will vote for any Democratic nominee over the Republican nominee. I don't even want to take a chance on a repeat of the last few years. Never in my 50 years have I seen this country led by people more criminally incompetent than our current "leaders." Never have I seen the U.S. held in such low regard internationally. Never have I seen our Constitution treated with such contempt.

I would like to see the new president address the following problems:

1. Getting us out of Iraq as soon as possible
2. Universal health care
3. Universal health care
4. Universal health care
5. Repairing relations with our international friends and allies
6. Restoring civil liberties that have been taken away (mostly under false pretenses) by the current administration
7. Securing the Social Security trust fund before all the Boomers retire
8. Crash program to reduce our dependence on petroleum through energy efficiency and alternative technologies
9. Treating the continued flow of jobs overseas and the increasing wealth gap as real problems that impact all Americans, rich and poor.
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:20 am

Anyone who has posted here who cant vote? I cant  Sad
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:24 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 138):
Anyone who has posted here who cant vote? I cant

Me neither - but it's good to stick one's oar in, if only to annoy the wingnuts  Smile
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:57 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 134):
Does the entire Republican congressional machine go after your hide with a Special Prosecutor for the whole of your second term, constitute a major challenge ?

Nothing compared to conducting very real ground war in two countries on the other side of the world, facing very different security concerns, when ensuring that the economy and the lives of everyday Americans are minimally affected. And of course the Democrats have given GWB the same treatment if not worse, vilifying Bush since the 2000 Election Day.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:07 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 140):
Nothing compared to conducting very real ground war in two countries on the other side of the world, facing very different security concerns, when ensuring that the economy and the lives of everyday Americans are minimally affected.

Maybe - if you do those things properly. It's a lot easier if you're prepared to mismanage all of it, let it all go straight to pot, take long vacations at your so-called "ranch", bring your cronies in to make sure their industries make record profits and to hell with everyone else - that way, it's a picnic. Hell, even I could manage that.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:19 pm

Vote 1 - Bill142

Introducing President Bill 142. It has a certain ring about it.
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:38 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 142):
Introducing President Bill 142. It has a certain ring about it.

Invalid. Only I may be nominated Supreme Oligarch. Get to the back of the line !
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:48 pm

Quoting CJAContinental (Thread starter):
Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?



Quoting CJAContinental (Thread starter):
CJAContinental From United Kingdom,

Do you know something that we don't, CJA?
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:56 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 144):
Do you know something that we don't, CJA?

I know lots of things that you guys don't and vice versa, but I'm not quite sure what your getting at?
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:12 pm

Quoting PhilGil (Reply 137):
I'm a registered Republican (although I didn't vote for Bush in '00 or '04), but I will vote for any Democratic nominee over the Republican nominee. I don't even want to take a chance on a repeat of the last few years. Never in my 50 years have I seen this country led by people more criminally incompetent than our current "leaders." Never have I seen the U.S. held in such low regard internationally. Never have I seen our Constitution treated with such contempt.

I would like to see the new president address the following problems:

1. Getting us out of Iraq as soon as possible
2. Universal health care
3. Universal health care
4. Universal health care
5. Repairing relations with our international friends and allies
6. Restoring civil liberties that have been taken away (mostly under false pretenses) by the current administration
7. Securing the Social Security trust fund before all the Boomers retire
8. Crash program to reduce our dependence on petroleum through energy efficiency and alternative technologies
9. Treating the continued flow of jobs overseas and the increasing wealth gap as real problems that impact all Americans, rich and poor.

Welcome to my RR, apperently if we have these beliefs we are not "real republicans" anymore.

I dont like any Republican candidate, a true Republican wouldnt be pissing away money on Iraq!
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:28 pm

I would like to see a person that is not coming from a "political family".
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:17 pm

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 147):
I would like to see a person that is not coming from a "political family".

You are correct. A Washington outsider is the best way to go.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Be President In 2008?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:23 pm

Quoting Wingnut767 (Reply 148):
Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 147):
I would like to see a person that is not coming from a "political family".

You are correct. A Washington outsider is the best way to go.

Or maybe we should...... Elect Hillary to be followed in 8 years by Jeb. By that time Chelsea will be old enought to run. She can make one of the Bush Twins her running mate who then would move on up for another eight years. If everything turn's out right we can have them in control for at least the next 40 years. OK wake up quick it was only a nightmare.

Just give me some one besides a Bush or Clinton. Have we not had enough?
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