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Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:33 am

I've never been baptised. Will I go to Hell?

My father was Roman Catholic and my mother is Church of England (although neither were regular practicing Christians). They couldn't decide what faith to baptise me so they decided to leave it and let me choose when I was old enough. I went to a Church of England primary school and attended church several times per week. As I grew older I found religion didn't answer the questions I had and offered nothing that I found of any value. As an adult I hold organised religion pretty much in contempt and I am pretty scornful of it. I have no desire to be baptised.

A few years ago I attended my niece's baptism in a Roman Catholic church, and I had to bite my tongue very hard as the priest told the congregation that baptism is the only way to salvation and implied those who were not baptised would go to Hell.

Now a few weeks ago I was having a conversation about this with my girlfriend. She is Eastern Orthodox, and although she doesnt attend church regularly she does consider herself a Christian. She thinks I should be baptised as some form of "protection".

Am I just being pig headed, or am I right to refuse to take part in something I really don't believe in?
 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:34 am



Quoting BilgeRat (Thread starter):
am I right to refuse to take part in something I really don't believe in?

 checkmark  If you don't believe in it, there's really no point.
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:43 am

Yes I have, although I was too young to remember. It is a must for us Greek Orthodox Christians. If I was asked to do it at my age now, I would probably not. I do not consider myself a very devout Christian.
 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:01 pm

In order to receive the sacrament of baptism as an adult you need faith. Faith in what it entails. Faith in the whole Catholic church. If you don't believe in it, you have no faith. I see no point then, in going through the whole trouble.

I myself am a Catholic and was baptized as a month-old infant. In early adulthood I would have appreciated if somebody had asked me wether I wanted the sacrament, but later in life I have found a profound faith in my church, so I am happy with my baptism. But that's me.
 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:05 pm

I was baptised as a Roman Catholic.
Served as an Altar Boy, went through confession and even confirmation and look at how I turned out.  Smile

Quoting BilgeRat (Thread starter):
I've never been baptised. Will I go to Hell?

There is a good chance that I may be joining you down in hell even though I was baptised.
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:31 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
There is a good chance that I may be joining you down in hell even though I was baptised.

Well, as Ozzy once said in reply to the bible bashers who said anyone who listens to his satanic music would go to Hell...

"We'll have a good old time down there!"
 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:07 pm



Quoting BilgeRat (Reply 5):
Well, as Ozzy once said in reply to the bible bashers who said anyone who listens to his satanic music would go to Hell...

"We'll have a good old time down there!"

Well I am listening to Diary Of A Madman and drinking some Holy Water (vodka) at the momment.  Smile
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:15 pm



Quoting BilgeRat (Thread starter):
Am I just being pig headed, or am I right to refuse to take part in something I really don't believe in?

No, but the potential problem I see if you and girlfriend decide to get married in church. I am not Christian myself but if I am not sure if there are any requirements for Church weddings.
 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:18 pm

Yes.Its part of the Seven sacraments.
As for you.Ask yourself.If you feel you believe in the faith you should.
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:21 pm



Quoting Egmcman (Reply 7):
I am not sure if there are any requirements for Church weddings.

Depends on the Church but most Protestant sects are just interested in the  dollarsign  .
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:34 pm

Yes, when i was a few months old... I disagree with having young children christened, because like in my case, i'm in no way religious, and i have no intention of being.

Actually thinking about it, I have no idea why i was christened, both my parents are not religious  Confused  Confused
 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:40 pm



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 10):
Actually thinking about it, I have no idea why i was christened, both my parents are not religious

Reruns on the Sunday morning cartoons?
My father was never religious but my mother is still to this day a very devout Catholic.
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:10 pm



Quoting BilgeRat (Thread starter):
I've never been baptised. Will I go to Hell?

No. As Supreme Deity I give you my personal guarantee. You may however feel free to worship me. In your own time, whenever you're ready. Oh, and I never say no to a good tithing.
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:16 pm

I was baptized as a Roman Catholic at about 8 or 9. This happened so uncharacteristically late because that's how long it took my relatives to wear down my atheist parents' resistance to the idea. I don't remember the ceremony at all, likely because my parents kept the pageantry and fuss to the bare minimum.

That was my first ever Catholic ceremony, my second one would occur when I was 23 and out of curiosity went to mass with a hot but unfortunately Catholic chick I was interested in. At that time, I was already familiar enough with the Bible and Catholic dogma to run circles around a Jehova's Witness, but I'd never really seen how Catholics worship. Well, give me drying paint to look at anytime!!!

For all my life, I've been an agnostic and the certificate of baptism I presumably received is totally meaningless to me. I heard a few years ago that the Catholic Church allowed people to cancel their baptism if they were coerced into it at a young age by petitioning the parish where it happened. I toyed with the idea for a while because I hate to boost the Church's statistics, but I finally decided I didn't give a damn.

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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:22 pm

Born to a Roman Catholic family, I have been Baptised as an infant, had my first holy communion and confirmation.
I have two children and both of them have been baptised. As for baptising when they are small or adults, I don't have time to think about it and I don't really care about it.

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 7):
No, but the potential problem I see if you and girlfriend decide to get married in church. I am not Christian myself but if I am not sure if there are any requirements for Church weddings.

If you are going to get married in a Catholic Church, it is guaranteed that you need to be baptised. Don't know about other denomination ( but no one can force you to get married in a Church  Smile)
 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:35 pm



Quoting Toast (Reply 13):
out of curiosity went to mass with a hot but unfortunately Catholic chick I was interested in.

It could be much, much, much worse if you were involved with a non-Catholic religious gal so count your blessings.
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:58 pm

Have You Been Baptised ? [Start thread]

Yes. I am baptised.

BTW I don't understand why my spell corrector says that is "baptized"  confused 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:26 pm



Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 16):
BTW I don't understand why my spell corrector says that is "baptized"

Probably the devil.  devil 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:28 pm

I have been baptized two times and though I am not active, I still pray and have hope of one day returning to church. I love god and thank him for every moment I am alive.

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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:31 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Probably the devil.

Right!  yes 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:33 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
It could be much, much, much worse if you were involved with a non-Catholic religious gal

Well, she turned out to be of the loony Megachurch virginity-pledge variety, so as you may guess I lost interest pretty fast.  Smile

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 18):
I have been baptized two times

Once was not enough to chase away the demon in you?  duck 

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 18):
though I am not active, I still pray

 Confused

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 10):
I have no idea why i was christened, both my parents are not religious

Probably the same reason mine did it - to make granny happy.
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:37 pm



Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 19):
My PC needs an exorcism.

 Wow! You're using a PC? Bill Gates is well known for his atheism! Get yourself a Mac, it won't pervert the words of the Lord, nor will it keep tempting you to surf porn.  duck 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:43 pm



Quoting Toast (Reply 20):
virginity-pledge variety

What in the hell is that?!?!?!  Wow!
I've never heard of such?

Then again, I've spend the better part of my life challenging women's virginity.  Silly
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:48 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
What in the hell is that?!?!?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginity_pledge

I'm surprised you've never heard of it... It's widely derided in Europe as a typically American phenomenon...

She was from the Midwest...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
I've spend the better part of my life challenging women's virginity.

Good! Nice to see other people working at it with missionary zeal!  Smile
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:55 pm

Yeah, I've been baptized, but I haven't gone to a church for almost 11 years. I don't know what that exactly that means...
 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:08 pm



Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 24):
Yeah, I've been baptized, but I haven't gone to a church for almost 11 years. I don't know what that exactly that means...

Means you'll be joining us in Hell.
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:14 pm

I have been baptized. If it is not something you believe in, you should not go through with it. In most churches you don't show up and get baptized, you usually have to attend some type of religious education.
 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:24 pm



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 26):
In most churches you don't show up and get baptized, you usually have to attend some type of religious education.

Not so. In most churches you're baptised as a baby - religious education is not much use to a kid less than a year old. Only the loony snake-waving churches go in for adult baptism  Smile
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:38 pm



Quoting BilgeRat (Thread starter):
Will I go to Hell?

Ask yourself a question if actually belive in all this dogma. From your post it seems like you don't. So why bother?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 16):
BTW I don't understand why my spell corrector says that is "baptized"

Probably the devil.

 Big grin Good one Superfly!
 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:06 pm

I was baptised (in a church) when I was a baby and so didn't have a choice.
I'm actually atheist and have been since I was old enough to really think about religion so I would not get baptised voluntarily now.
There isn't actually anyone in my family that believes in God or atleast not that I know of, so I'm not quite sure why I got baptised. My grandfather (the other one unfortunately died before I was old enough to have such a complex conversation, but I think he was athiest), is like me, quite a strong atheist so that's probably where I got my disbelief in god from.

Quoting BilgeRat (Thread starter):
Am I just being pig headed, or am I right to refuse to take part in something I really don't believe in?

In my opinion you're 100% right. I only ever step inside a church if I have to now, other than that, I refuse to.

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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:37 pm

Interesting story: When I was born, my parents attended church in Topeka, Kansas. They lived there at the time. The pastor of the church moved to eastern Kentucky to become pastor of a Nazarine church. When I was just three months old, they drove me from Topeka to Portsmouth so the pastor could baptise me. But, when we moved to Oregon the following year, we attended the Church of God. Before my brother was married, he was baptised into the Adventists. I still believe but do not attend. I just don't think about it. I could go now, since it is still early Sunday morning, but I won't because it is cold and raining. I'm sure that is a sin that can be forgiven.
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:41 pm

Yes, I was Baptized in the Southern Baptist Church when I was 7 or 8 years old. Too young to understand what it meant, but felt pressured to do it as all my Sunday School friends were doing it, so I did it. Before you are bapttised in the Southern Baptist Church, you must undergo some "spiritual counseling" and verbally admit your believe in God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus Christ as your savior. You must also admit something to the fact that you are a "sinner" and will be redeemed by God and believe that Jesus died on the Cross for your sins.

It's really too intense for children, but they do it, so I did.

In our religious sect we believe in predestination, which teaches that we will enter heaven if our names our written in the "Lamb's Book of Life" and that no matter what sins we commit, we will go to heaven based on the fact that we pray to God to forgive us of our sins. However, predestination sort of states that we really don't have to do squat and we are either written in the "Lamb's Book of Life" from birth or we are not. So from my interpretation of what that means is I'm either damned from birth or will be going to heaven. God has already made that decision.

Having said all that, I'm not very religious at all, in fact, I'm sort of anti-religion because of my own personal horrifying experiences with it and I've seen what it does to other people, and how it alienates anyone who has a different belief system.

Southern Baptists, well some of them, the uber-conservatives, are almost cult like and it really just paints a bad mental picture for me and what they teach their children.

I remember being a kid and one of the things we as kids of the church would ask other kids is if they "Believed in God" and if they didn't we often teased them that they would go to hell. As I look back on that, it was entirely shameful and when I was finally exposed to other great and wonderful individuals of other religions, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc., I came to question my own belief systems and basically I loved all of these people as they were such a wonderful part of my life and I realized that we are all "God's" children, if there is a God and if there isn't, there are just some really really good people in this world that I love and want to keep in my life.

Here in the south especially, religion tends to brainwash children into becoming their parents. In many towns, the only social circles are in the church and that breeds a lot of hatred for other individuals who are not part of the church and prevents inclusion of others in social activities. It can also form racial and sexual prejudice in so many ways I can't count them.

But, to each his own, as the bible do say....or did I read that in the "Enquirer?" Oh well, tell your mamma I ax her how she durrin'



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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:43 pm



Quoting Toast (Reply 21):
You're using a PC? Bill Gates is well known for his atheism!

Already exorcised and baptised! And working fine.

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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:44 pm

I was baptised by my family, and it's something that I wish they hadn't done.

My children will be allowed to choose their own religion (if they even want to participate in one...) and I won't ever force my own religious beliefs on them.

I happen to be Agnostic, therefore I don't subscribe to any religion.

I subscribe to the "be yourself, be a productive, good, pay-it-forward type of person and live your life as a free individual" type of lifestyle, and I wish that my parents hadn't forced their religion on me.

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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:21 am



Quoting Toast (Reply 44):
This may be the key to the mentality of lunatics like GWB. I bet he's dead sure he's goin' to heaven.

Hah - well this Supreme Deity will DEFINITELY have something to say about that ! The burning sulphur pool is being prepared as we speak, with extra demons for the prodding of nether regions with pitchforks.  devil 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:59 am



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 27):
In most churches you're baptised as a baby - religious education is not much use to a kid less than a year old.



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 31):
Yes, I was Baptized in the Southern Baptist Church when I was 7 or 8 years old. Too young to understand what it meant, but felt pressured to do it as all my Sunday School friends were doing it,

Which is why a number of non-serpent-swinging churches have a rite of confirmation - a mature statement of faith by one already baptised. I was administered confirmation by the bishop of Oxford in 19... eh ... a long time ago.

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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:04 pm



Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 55):
I was administered confirmation by the bishop of Oxford in 15... eh ... a long time ago.

 old 

I expect it was Bishop Cranmer - he was burnt at the stake for his heresies (baptising you being one of them)
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:45 pm



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 37):
That would fall into the broad definition of a loony snake-waving church, I reckon

I think we were just shy of a "snake waving church." Leave that up to the Pentecostals and The Church of the Holiness or Assembly of God churches.

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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:04 pm



Quoting BilgeRat (Thread starter):
I've never been baptised. Will I go to Hell?

No, baptism does not determine your salvation. Baptism is merely a public sign of your devotion to Christ and your asking for his forgiveness of your sins. I was baptised as a baby in the Lutheran church, but now I'm a Baptist and, by my own choice, was rebaptised as a teenager.



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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:38 pm



Quoting AviRaider (Reply 58):
No, baptism does not determine your salvation.

I seem to recall the Bible saying that it actually does. I don't remember chapter and verse, but it does say so.
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:53 pm



Quoting AviRaider (Reply 58):

Really? I thought it was to do with washing away your sins and asking for forgiveness?

Yeah I've been baptized - wasn't my choice as I was little at the time, but I'm in no way religious at all and I believe we are here due to evolution.

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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:05 pm



Quoting AviRaider (Reply 58):
No, baptism does not determine your salvation. Baptism is merely a public sign of your devotion to Christ and your asking for his forgiveness of your sins. I was baptised as a baby in the Lutheran church, but now I'm a Baptist and, by my own choice, was rebaptised as a teenager.

I am not an expert but from what I know. Every child when born has the sin left over by Adam and Eve, basically the Baptism washes out that sin. It is not you will be free from sins after that or necessarily salvation for life, it is only to wash away the birth sin (no better way to express that), that is why infants are being baptised.

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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:45 pm



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 59):
I seem to recall the Bible saying that it actually does. I don't remember chapter and verse, but it does say so.

According to Catholic doctrine is not necessary.
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:47 pm



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 59):
I seem to recall the Bible saying that it actually does. I don't remember chapter and verse, but it does say so.

AFAIK, what the Bible says is that through the babtism, you're absolved from the sins of your fathers or so.

As for me, I was babtised a Roman-Catholic, got my first communion in 1992 or so, but later became an Atheist. If I have any children, I'll let them decide whether they want to be babtised or not once they're old enough to make such a decision (maybe at around 14 or 16).
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:49 pm



Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 62):
According to Catholic doctrine is not necessary.

Are you sure ? Is this a recent change ?
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:36 pm

http://www.catholicherald.com/saunders/97ws/fs970227.htm


"Jesus said, "I solemnly assure you, no one can enter into God's kingdom without being begotten of water and Spirit" (John 3:5). At the Ascension, our Lord commanded the apostles, "Go therefore, and make disciples of all the nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.' Teach then, to carry out everything I have commanded you" (Mt. 23:19-20). In another account of the Ascension, Jesus added, "The man who believes in [the good news] and accepts Baptism will be saved; the man who refuses to believe in it will be condemned (John 16:16)....

...The Catechism, however, adds an italicized caution: "God has bound salvation to the Sacrament of Baptism, but He Himself is not bound by His sacraments" (No. 1257). Besides the normal ritual baptism of water and the invocation of the Holy Trinity, the Church has also accepted two other forms of Baptism — a baptism of blood and a baptism of desire. While these two forms are not the Sacrament of Baptism per se, they do render the same graces and effects (Catechism, No. 1258)....

..."However, such a statement should not seduce us into an indifferentism where one thinks that Baptism is either not important or optional: Baptism is the sacrament which infuses the divine life of the Holy Trinity into our soul and opens to us fully the mystery of Christ's passion, death, and resurrection. Through the nourishment of grace from the reception of other sacraments, the study of the faith, and our life within the Church, we live our Baptism looking forward to its fulfillment in the Kingdom of Heaven.

What then about infants who die without baptism? Here, we trust in the infinite mercy of God,"

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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:03 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
I was baptised as a Roman Catholic.
Served as an Altar Boy, went through confession and even confirmation and look at how I turned out.

 checkmark "What happenned," as Mom says that to me all the time.I was in Catholic school and did about the same thing.

Yes,was baptised when I was an infant.Almost drowned.Good thing Pamala Anderson was on duty that day.  spin 
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:15 pm

Yes, I have been.


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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:51 pm

I was baptised as a young child.

Our kids were baptised as Episcopalians but after me and the ex split up and she got custody she went and had them baptised as Catholics. So the next time I was in town I upbraided the priest who'd done the job, and he said "Well, it couldn't have hurt them, could it?" I had to agree he was likely right-they've turned out pretty well.
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RE: Have You Been Baptised?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:10 pm

I am Catholic and yes I was baptized.
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