|Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
You see this every time there is a horrific event, people thanking God for sparing them, but
isn't He repsonsible for putting you in that position in the first place?
We all have free will, including the ones who seek to murder the innocent. Whether or not you believe in a superior being, you should hope that they are being punished one way or another in some realm beyond our small world.
|Quoting Bok269 (Reply 4):
Ok, so you have one person making a comment that may be contradictory. Don't discount all
religion due to one group.
It's not contradictory unless you don't believe in free will, or unless you believe God is responsible for the actions of evil human beings.
|Quoting BN747 (Reply 34):
If he REALLY wanted the 'BEST' for all of us...then..
He would have PREVENTED
You know, this is the one thing I can't understand about atheists and many of the religious. I fully understand why each side has their views and their beliefs and lack of beliefs.
But someone, please tell me why exactly, as a human, you think you are capable of even coming close to understanding the actions/decisions/choices/etc. made by a being that is simply beyond us? Or however you want to say it...........on a different level, a higher up, whatever. We are more intelligent and more complex beings than our pets. Our pets may be completely mystified as to why we do some of the things we do, but we never see the need to explain it to them, do we? Chances are they wouldn't understand it if we tried.
What makes any of you think that you are capable of understanding anything regarding the correlation of events on this small Earth and decisions and acts made by what we define as a god?
You can ask why, you can wonder to yourself, but saying "If this religious text says this, then God would have/should have done that, otherwise it's contradictory or God doesn't exist" means one of two things:
1. That you are simply comparing a decision by God to religious beliefs, systems, or texts interpreted by humans, and you don't realize the fallacy.
2. That you put yourself on level of intelligence that no human has nor will ever possess, and you are delusional.
And yes, high numbers of atheists AND
religious individuals fit right into the above answers.
When atheists poke jokes about the earth being 6000 years old, Christians may point out that whether or not those were words from the son of God, it was still being explained to humans over 2000 years ago, humans that had virtually no scientific knowledge or ability, they didn't exactly measure and percieve time the way we do today.
In this case, each side falls into #1. When staunch atheists and Bible thumpers think they can argue and understand what God should have done with regards to their own interpretations, they fall into #2.
One thing that simply irritates me is how either the religious or the atheists claim to have a more enlightened or logical approach, although I think the atheists are slightly more guilty with regards to this matter. I don't know how many times I've seen such bullshit statements that religious people can't think for themselves, they are brainwashed, etc. That's simply bullshit, and provides a true confirmation of arrogance and ignorance.
IMO, the most logical approach with regards to what we know FOR SURE with regards to God, is not atheism or religion, it's agnosticism. Simply put, as humans we don't know. NOBODY, not even the most staunch atheists or the most hardcore Bible thumpers, has it all figured out. Anybody who tells you that they are certain God exists or doesn't exist is simply full of shit. Thankfully, I haven't met a single religious person in my life that hasn't questioned his or her faith - and I bet that any religious person who tells you they never have is lying, even the Bible thumpers. I've met many atheists that have claimed to have never believed in the possiblity of any type of superior being, and I don't really believe them either.
As for me, I personally believe in God and Christ, I do believe in a higher power. My parents and family are Christian, but only my grandparents are regular church-goers. I wasn't raised to be religious, my parents are great people and they tought me right and wrong based on mostly on acts of humanity. I've only been to church a few times in my life, and usuallly when there I considered it a waste of my time. To be honest I don't really understand denomenations of Christianity - in fact I find it annoying that each group thinks they can understand the words of the son of God better than another group. Personally I believe based on my own interpretations, how more fortunate I am to be alive today (close call with death at 2), and the amazing things I've seen in this world so far at my young age.
I also believe in evil, especially evil human beings. I believe much evil exists in this world today, and is commonly underestimated. Call me paranoid, but I know I don't live in fear. Instead I choose to love, cherish, and protect all the ones I that I love to the best of my abilities.
[Edited 2007-12-16 07:32:02]
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