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LH423
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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:09 pm

I have to agree with those saying No vote=No bitch.

Frankly, that's why we have write-ins, which, in my opinion, is quite possibly the most democratic thing one can do. Of course you know that the person you're writing in has about a 0.00001% chance of winning, but that's not the point. What you're saying is "I have this right to vote and I'm going to use it regardless of the fact that I don't like any of you schmucks".

Or see if you can find out info on those no-name candidates who get the signatures to be on your state's ballot. Again, they won't win, but at least you can say you voted your conscience and you can bitch all you want about how the country's going to hell in a handbasket, etc.

I, personally, don't believe in belonging to a political party and it's been my understanding that in order to vote in the primaries you have to be a registered member of one of the parties, so I don't plan on voting in the primaries but you can be assured that I will be requesting an absentee ballot form and will be voting in November!

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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:15 pm



Quoting LH423 (Reply 50):
you can be assured that I will be requesting an absentee ballot form and will be voting in November!

Are you going to vote in the US election from Canada?

Quoting LH423 (Reply 50):
LH423 From Canada

 
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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:30 pm



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 4):
And those who do not vote, IMO, have no right to bitch and moan when the "wrong" people get elected....

CORRECT!!!! People died for the right to vote and the right to democracy. If you cant get off your arse every 5 years to go and vote then it shows how little respect you have for your country !!! If you dont like any of the candidates then vote for the one that at least shares a few of your views.

As for the out come of the next US President I hope that the Americans will choose wisely and find someone that will bring back respect to the USA and be wiser in their international foreign policy. Someone who is moderate.
 
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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:47 pm



Quoting QFA380 (Reply 33):
compulsory voting is the way to go.

Great, more legislation, more government...

Quoting Queso (Reply 34):
Thank you for not voting!

Sorry, I do plan to vote. Hopefully a candidate I like is on the ballot.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 35):
I cannot disagree more. Refusing to vote and choosing not to legitimize the state is a rational choice.

Without votes politicians cannot continue the deception that they actually represent the people instead of special interests who donate money to elect politicians in return for political favors.

 thumbsup  I'm down with that...

Quoting DL021 (Reply 41):
Taxes and breathing is the only thing we have to do.. ... oh, yeah, and register for the draft.

Not me, I did my time (Register for the draft)

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 46):
Personally, I oppose voting in Presidential elections unless we have a viable candidate that is actually honest, trustworthy, and pro-liberty.

Thank you !!!
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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:41 pm



Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 48):

Oh jesus.... you need to chill the hell out.

It's my opinion of the woman: She's a nasty bitch. Don't like my opinion? Think it's crude? Well I'm sorry, but get over it.

Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 48):
Like it or not... like her or not, Hillary has credibility and has used her resources to get her where she is... just as all the other candidates have.

Well yay for you.  champagne   bored 

And like it or not... I don't like her. Why should I respect your opinion, if you're not going to respect mine?

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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:53 pm



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 54):
Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 48):
Like it or not... like her or not, Hillary has credibility and has used her resources to get her where she is... just as all the other candidates have.

Well yay for you.

And like it or not... I don't like her. Why should I respect your opinion, if you're not going to respect mine?

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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:04 pm



Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 45):
I won't go into his religious affiliation.

Why not? If it's impacting your thinking then say so.

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 55):
Hasn't she already been president once already?

LOL

Yeah, and her actions then make me wonder why anyone would want her again....
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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:07 pm

Well it appears the DOW didn't like the winners last night thats for sure. Stocks crashing right now, looks like the markets are anticipating capital gains and tax hikes to me. fun fun fun.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 54):
It's my opinion of the woman: She's a nasty bitch.

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Would not use the word bitch in front of my kids maybe ,, but sums her up pretty well IMO. I like Obama's style, personally speaking he would probably do OK as president as long as we avoided major crisis. I guess the rest of the world would love him to , we could all be one big happy family again.
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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:33 pm



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 18):
Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 14):
As I've said before, I wasn't allowed to vote last time and I will still bitch.

Does your state revoke the right to vote from prisoners?

The feds take it from felons. As a nonviolent first time offendor it is restored after a time. The same goes for the hymen.
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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:38 pm



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):

Part of me wanted to vote on pure principle - which would mean I would have voted for a guy with ZERO chance.

Even if your candidate didn't win, you would have given your cause a voice. Without giving it a voice you are likely to get even progressively lesser (in your opinion at least) candidates in the future. Politicians only understand one language, and that's the ballot box. If they lose votes for a particular segment they will try to find someone who fits better.

That said, I don't want to say you made a wrong choice, even if it sounds like that. In the end I don't know why you chose to vote that way.
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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:13 pm



Quoting LH423 (Reply 50):
it's been my understanding that in order to vote in the primaries you have to be a registered member of one of the parties

That is true. HOWEVER, one can temporarily change their registration to vote in the primary/caucus and then change their affiliation back to Non-party/Independent within a relatively short period of time.

IIRC, Massachusetts (Didn't you once reside in the Bay State? If so, I'm a bit surprised that you don't know this) is one of 9 states that allows this process (register under one party, vote, then re-register as a Non-party/Independent) to take place all in ONE DAY. During the years I voted in person in Mass. (1984-1990 as a registered Independent), this was the case and I went through that process many times. Absentee ballots and/or voting in most states usually require either a 30 to 60 day deadline to register (or change party affiliation) before an election.

Quoting Queso (Reply 51):
Are you going to vote in the US election from Canada?

Quoting LH423 (Reply 50):
LH423 From Canada

IIRC, Erik's only recently moved from the States to Canada (assuming his profile is true & current). In short, he pulled an Alec Baldwin.  duck  Big grin
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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:26 pm

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 29):
Make it compulsory! Then its no longer an issue. I stongly believe in compulsory voting. We SHOULD be FORCED and FINED if neccesary to make that decision each election. Then has been noted we all have no one to blame (or congratulate) but ourselves.

In a democracy you have the right to vote and the freedom to choose not to. The choice not to vote does not preclude you from voicing dissent or objections.

In an autocracy, you may retain the right to vote or not to vote (and suffer the consequences btw, if you don't), but not the right to vote for your preference.

Democracy revolces around the freedom to make free choice and decision. For this Brit watching from afar, I'd stick with good old democracy if I were you.

Shamu

ps Creases me to read people expressing Obama as too inexperienced.....which country put an actor in the White House, and didn't he do pretty well overall ?!

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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:35 pm



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Part of me wanted to vote on pure principle - which would mean I would have voted for a guy with ZERO chance.

Then part of me wanted to vote for a guy I thought had the best chance at winning - which would mean I would have voted for a guy who mildly like.

I may not agree with your political views, but I agree with your position to take your responsibility and DO vote, whenever you are given the chance. There are enough people in the world who would like to vote and canNOT, so that whomever has the right and the chance to vote should do so.
 
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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:53 pm



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 60):
IIRC, Massachusetts (Didn't you once reside in the Bay State? If so, I'm a bit surprised that you don't know this) is one of 9 states that allows this process (register under one party, vote, then re-register as a Non-party/Independent) to take place all in ONE DAY. During the years I voted in person in Mass. (1984-1990 as a registered Independent), this was the case and I went through that process many times. Absentee ballots and/or voting in most states usually require either a 30 to 60 day deadline to register (or change party affiliation) before an election.



It's even easier in AL. No party registration. Just show up and sign in the appropriate book for the party you wish to vote. Technically you are not supposed to flip parties when there's a runoff but there's no mechanism in place to enforce this.
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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:04 pm



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 54):
It's my opinion of the woman: She's a nasty bitch. Don't like my opinion? Think it's crude? Well I'm sorry, but get over it.

Oh, I could tell you first hand stories about her that would confirm your opinion, from my experiences on the protective services details, when she visited the Bay Area..now on the other hand, George the 1st and RR were real gentlemen.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Obama is too inexperienced.

Not to say I'm supporting Obama, but wasn't there another President from Illinois with just about zero experience, who lead this country during some of it's worst times? Abe Lincoln..
Personally, the experience factor is grossly over-rated. Nothing can get one ready to assume the awesome duties of the President.
 
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RE: I Just Voted

Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:16 pm



Quoting N74jw (Reply 7):
What if there is no candidate that fits your political views?

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Vote for the least evil one
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Quoting QFA380 (Reply 33):
compulsory voting is the way to go

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NO, this simply forces non-interested people into the filling out of forms, and it expands bureaucracy for no real reason
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Quoting MD-90 (Reply 42):
ANCFlyer ex-soldier and current policeman is pro-state. I'm shocked

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Why ? His employer was and is the state, and the state is to pay his pensions  old   old  in a no longer so remote future, so that he of course has to be "pro state" !
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 52):
every 5 years to go and vote

the topic is the USA, and so it is 2 years, if you keep the bi-elections for congress in mind. Here in Switzerland it is between 2 and 4 elections per year, and up to 20 votes per year. But you can vote by letter what is chosen by the majority nowadays.
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Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 55):
Hasn't she already been president once already?

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yes, for eight years, BUT under the cover of the future first "First Escort". So that she in fact is the most experienced in the field.
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:32 am



Quoting DL021 (Reply 56):
Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 45):
I won't go into his religious affiliation.

Why not? If it's impacting your thinking then say so.

Honestly, maybe it's my personal hangup but, I don't want a Morman leading our great country! If I'm not mistaken Morman's have been intolerant of minorities. As a matter of fact they didn't want African Americans as ministers. And, if I'm not mistaken they are not to hep on my people (Jewish). Getting away from his Mormanism, I don't like the man. He comes across as arrogant and big money elite. Someone on the radio earlier today said:
Huckabee seems like your average working guy whereas Romney comes across as the one who lays off the average working guys. Romney wants open borders so he can get cheap labor to tend to his fancy elite Boston mansion. No way Jose! After 8 years from hell with Bush Cheney and his merry marauders, no thank you at least to Mitt who's the Pits!
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:48 am



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 4):
And those who do not vote, IMO, have no right to bitch and moan when the "wrong" people get elected....

Going back to this argument, my opinion is that not voting out of apathy is different than not voting to make a statement.

Not voting out of apathy certainly decreases one's to right to complain about offices for who they could have voted for. If you are fortunate enough to be a citizen of a country which gives its people a say in government, you ought to exercise that right if you are at all affected by the decisions that the government makes (which almost everyone inevitably is).

On the other hand though, if you think that none of the candidates are worthy of being elected, and you abstain from voting in order to indicate that you don't support any of the candidates, then you are making a personal statement. A useless personal statement on a national level though, unless everyone feels the same way, which is unlikely to happen because the candidates wouldn't have gotten support to begin with if everyone hated them.

Realistically though, at least in large-scale presidential elections, if you're presented with a certain set of options you have to make the best choice that you can under the circumstances.

Ever since I've been old enough to vote I've been voting for Ralph Nader, too bad he won't be an option in 2008...at least I don't think he's announced his candidacy...
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:12 am



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 65):
the topic is the USA, and so it is 2 years,

2 years or 5 years the principle is the same . For big issues everyone should vote.
 
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:57 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 68):
For big issues everyone should vote.

sadly, for the majority of the younger generation, the big issue vote is "wii or ps3 or 360".
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:15 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 68):
For big issues everyone should vote.

"should" = yes
"should be forced to do so" = NO
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:31 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 64):
Not to say I'm supporting Obama, but wasn't there another President from Illinois with just about zero experience, who lead this country during some of it's worst times? Abe Lincoln..
Personally, the experience factor is grossly over-rated. Nothing can get one ready to assume the awesome duties of the President.

Good analogy. Experience is just one of many factors that will make or break a President. Ford didn't have any executive experience, and did an excellent job despite not even really wanting to become President. Carter had executive experience, and didn't do so hot.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 64):
Oh, I could tell you first hand stories about her that would confirm your opinion, from my experiences on the protective services details, when she visited the Bay Area..now on the other hand, George the 1st and RR were real gentlemen.

I also agree with this--I've had a personal run-in with Hillary, but I don't want to post the whole story here. She's simply not a nice person.
 
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:08 pm



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 70):
"should" = yes
"should be forced to do so" = NO

I disagree , Its a duty to your country and a national service !! You have responsibilities as a citizen. If everyone thought like that then what mess would the world be in !!
 
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:43 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 72):
I disagree , Its a duty to your country and a national service !! You have responsibilities as a citizen. If everyone thought like that then what mess would the world be in !!

you can choose not to do something. forcing people to vote would be an attempt to cure a symptom whilst ignoring the cause.
in democracies with low voter turnout, this would be the way the government regulates education or the lack of, and how participation and democracy is encouraged by government programs.
an alert and active voter is cruicial for democracies, achieving a high proliferation of these is more important than artificially forcing a voter turnout.
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:52 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 64):
Not to say I'm supporting Obama, but wasn't there another President from Illinois with just about zero experience, who lead this country during some of it's worst times? Abe Lincoln..
Personally, the experience factor is grossly over-rated. Nothing can get one ready to assume the awesome duties of the President.

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Dubya only had 5 years as governor of Texas on his resume when he announced his candidacy and even that was a part-time job. He didn't have a successful business record and in fact, didn't have a full-time job until age 40.

Obama is a very brilliant man and has the qualities that will help boost our standing in the world and patch up relations with nations soured by the Bush administration. Unfortunately, intellectuals don't do well with the US public. It's a shame that the press beat up on Al Gore for being smarter than Dubya. Jimmy Carter was an amazingly brilliant man and a great President. He was in the White House at the wrong time and took the fall for problems beyond his control. I have a feeling that Obama, Edwards and Clinton are the candidates that could foster better relations with other nations ruined by Bush. However, I can still see the media beating up on them and blaming them for the problems started under Dubya and would most likely be a one-term President. Rudy Giuliani is the only candidate that would get a free ride with the press if elected.

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 71):
I've had a personal run-in with Hillary, but I don't want to post the whole story here. She's simply not a nice person.

Would that matter if a male candidate was nice or not nice?
I met George H. Bush Sr back in 1991. He seemed nice but I still didn't vote for him and I think he was a lousy President. NOt as lousy as his son however.
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:09 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 74):
Jimmy Carter was an amazingly brilliant man and a great President. He was in the White House at the wrong time and took the fall for problems beyond his control.

Brilliant, yes. Great President, no. Some of the problems were not beyond Carter's control. By that line of reasoning, Bush has problems beyond his control. You can't be a little more objective than that?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 74):
Would that matter if a male candidate was nice or not nice?

I didn't say that I wouldn't vote for her because she isn't a nice person. I was agreeing with AirCop in his statement that he wasn't nice. And yes, I personally think that how a person behaves behind the scenes is one indicator of how they will perform as President.
 
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:26 pm



Quoting Zak (Reply 73):
this would be the way the government regulates education or the lack of, and how participation and democracy is encouraged by government programs.

There should be programs in school from say 16 onwards to teach about various political parties and the importance of voting. This would have to be totally balanced of course but I think it would be a good idea. Some parties like here in Ireland thrive on younger people not being politically active!! It means they dont have any opposition and get re elected every time .
 
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:35 pm



Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 75):
By that line of reasoning, Bush has problems beyond his control. You can't be a little more objective than that?

Carter didn't lie to the public and start a war.
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:45 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 77):
Carter didn't lie to the public and start a war.

 sarcastic 

Carter couldn't find his ass with both hands, a squad of infantry AND the Secret Service . . .

An old argument 'Fly, not worth rehashing . . . .
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:13 pm



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 78):
An old argument 'Fly, not worth rehashing . . .

You brought it up.
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RE: I Just Voted

Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:23 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 79):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 78):
An old argument 'Fly, not worth rehashing . . .

You brought it up.

BUZZ wrongo . . .

Quoting Superfly (Reply 74):

Next?
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Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:30 pm



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 78):
a squad of infantry AND the Secret Service . . .

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Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:57 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 77):
Carter didn't lie to the public and start a war.

No he just sat back and let Iran do whatever they wanted to do. It took Reagan to tell those animals to either let our people go or he would have blown them off the map. Something Dems are afraid to do which is why we won't elect them. We don't have to fix anything with any other country of the world. They aren't the ones that these sickos hate and want to kill. Ford and Carter were great humanatarians but unfortunately that doesn't work now. The Dems can say all they want but even if they get elected they won't pull out of Iraq so can we stop the anti war propaganda? Saddam did have weapons, he gassed thousands of his own people and was an evil man. You want to sit in the bay area and sip your latte on the sidewalk cafe and jack up our taxes and blow smoke up my ass while you ignore the middle east great. I don't want that and the majority of the country doesn't want it. Which is why a Rep will win.
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RE: I Just Voted

Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:35 am



Quoting N74JW (Reply 30):
I think you are drinking too much kool-aid. No one vote makes a difference, even yours...

You're right. [/sarcasm]

Signed,
The 537 more Bush Voters who swung the state of Florida and its then 25 Electoral Votes to give Bush the win in 2000.

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Quoting LH423 (Reply 50):
I, personally, don't believe in belonging to a political party and it's been my understanding that in order to vote in the primaries you have to be a registered member of one of the parties, so I don't plan on voting in the primaries but you can be assured that I will be requesting an absentee ballot form and will be voting in November!

I think it varies from state to state. Some states have closed primaries (party members only) while others have open primaries.
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RE: I Just Voted

Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:10 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 74):
I met George H. Bush Sr back in 1991. He seemed nice but I still didn't vote for him and I think he was a lousy President. NOt as lousy as his son however.

W 's got that disctinction in a class all by himself. W will most definitely be a hard act to follow. Considering in my lifetime I thought Reagan, Carter and Daddy Bush were the crappiest leaders.
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RE: I Just Voted

Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:17 am



Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 84):
W will most definitely be a hard act to follow. Considering in my lifetime I thought Reagan, Carter and Daddy Bush were the crappiest leaders.

Minus Carter, I agree with you.

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 84):
W will most definitely be a hard act to follow.

Rudy Guiliani could be worse, especially since he is a media darling. I am fine will all of the other Republican or Democratic candidates running. As long as Rudy ain't elected, I am happy.
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RE: I Just Voted

Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:23 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 85):
Rudy Guiliani could be worse, especially since he is a media darling. I am fine will all of the other Republican or Democratic candidates running. As long as Rudy ain't elected, I am happy.

The way you feel about bodda bing Rudy I feel probably even 100 times more in regard to Mitt the Massachusetts teflon Morman, Ralph the destroyer Nader and Dr. Evil , oops I meant Ron the con man Paul. Carter wasn't quite as bad but getting there. He really was a Republican masquerading as a Democrat and taking advantage of the train wreck that was Nixon's Watergate.
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RE: I Just Voted

Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:14 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 72):
Its a duty to your country and a national service !!

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Electing and voting are rights. To force non-interested persons into using their rights simply does not make sense.
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 76):
There should be programs in school from say 16 onwards to teach about various political parties and the importance of voting.

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There are such programs in the education programs of the Canton of Zurich. But the effects in regard to participation in votes and elections looks like having its limits .
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RE: I Just Voted

Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:02 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 85):
Minus Carter, I agree with you.

So your saying that Carter was a better president than Reagan? Well why wouldn't that suprise me. You voted for Edwards.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 85):
Rudy Guiliani could be worse, especially since he is a media darling. I am fine will all of the other Republican or Democratic candidates running. As long as Rudy ain't elected, I am happy.

Media darling? Maybe he will be playing sax on a late night talk show next?
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Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:21 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 85):
Rudy Guiliani could be worse, especially since he is a media darling. I am fine will all of the other Republican or Democratic candidates running. As long as Rudy ain't elected, I am happy.

I find it sad that even early in the primary process you are hoping a Republican like Huckabee wins the general election, so he'll get (supposedly) crushed by a Democrat in 2012.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 85):
Minus Carter, I agree with you.

Yeah, even most Democrats give Carter high marks for his leadership in the White House.  Yeah sure
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:44 pm



Quoting Queso (Reply 51):
Are you going to vote in the US election from Canada?



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 60):
IIRC, Erik's only recently moved from the States to Canada (assuming his profile is true & current). In short, he pulled an Alec Baldwin.

Ouch. But yes, I am an American living in Canada.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 60):
IIRC, Massachusetts (Didn't you once reside in the Bay State? If so, I'm a bit surprised that you don't know this) is one of 9 states that allows this process (register under one party, vote, then re-register as a Non-party/Independent) to take place all in ONE DAY

OK, I turned 18 less than a week after the 2000 election so 2004 was my first and only presidential election and I just assumed that you had to be a member of a party to vote in the primary, so I didn't really educate myself on the process. However, on the absentee ballot is says "Remember, in order to participate in a primary, you must be a registered member of that party or as an unenrolled (independent) voter."

So, since I'm unenrolled would that mean that I just have to circle the choice on the absentee ballot form without changing party affiliations? Or, by circling the party am I affiliating myself?

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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 88):
Carter was a better president than Reagan

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While Reagan was a bad president, Jimmy Carter was one of the best. Carter however not only DID mistakes but was honest or foolish enough even to openly admit them, AND spoke a horrible language, while Reagan gave THE superb speeches.
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Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:52 am



Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 86):
The way you feel about bodda bing Rudy I feel probably even 100 times more in regard to Mitt the Massachusetts teflon Morman,

He's too transparent and a flip-flopper. He is not a media darling either. He wouldn't get much accomplished either.

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 89):
I find it sad that even early in the primary process you are hoping a Republican like Huckabee wins the general election, so he'll get (supposedly) crushed by a Democrat in 2012.

That's politics for you.
Anyone who wants to assume the Presidency January 2009 must have rocks in their head. Just look at all of the early signs of a recession. The mess in Iraq in which it seems that you and many other Republicans on this board indirectly admit is a problem started by Dubya & Co. The recession will run it's course regardless of who is in the White House. I find it ironic that none of the Republican candidates are clamoring for Dubya's endorsement, being seen in public nor wanting to 'stay the course'. Even Karl Rove has gone on record saying that the Republican candidates need to convey a message of "change". Change? Change from the Bush administration?  Wow!
The 44th. President will be a one-term President (except Rudy) so I'd rather have someone who is honest, has little ties to Washington insiders. I like the idea that Mike Huckabee has rattled some cages on Wall street and for a Republican to speak out against corporate greed is something I definately can admire. I don't agree with his social conservative ideals but I know he wont get any of his social agenda or tax plan passed and even he know it. His antagonist approach to large corporations is something I admire. He is one of the few Republicans I can respect and probably the ONLY Southern conservative Republican I have ever respected.
The fact that Wall street, the Republican Party establishment and conservative members here at this site are so outraged about Huckabee's rise in support and victory in Iowa makes me very happy.  Smile
He is the underdog in every way. Under-funded, under-estimated and taking on unpopular positions within his party and sticking to them yet building support is admirable and remarkable.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 88):
So your saying that Carter was a better president than Reagan?

Yep.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 88):
Media darling? Maybe he will be playing sax on a late night talk show next?

Nah, he'll just keep talking about 9/11.  Smile
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Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:26 am



Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 89):
Yeah, even most Democrats give Carter high marks for his leadership in the White House.

Yea we would have been speaking Arabic in this country if Reagan didn't win in a landslide and get things under control. Carter was terrible.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
Yep.

Your very alone in that thinking.
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Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:06 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 93):
we would have been speaking Arabic in this country

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This would indeed have been an interesting change !  yes   yes   yes   yes 
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and Jimmy Carter was NOT "terrible" but superb. And the only US President with a balanced view of things in the Middle East, plus some understanding for environmental aspects.
 
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RE: I Just Voted

Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:25 pm



Quoting LH423 (Reply 90):
So, since I'm unenrolled would that mean that I just have to circle the choice on the absentee ballot form without changing party affiliations? Or, by circling the party am I affiliating myself?

In an absentee ballot scenario, it's a 2 to 3 step process: FIRST, one has to update their registration to a particular party (for a Massachusetts abstentee ballot, one has to do this either 30 to 60 days BEFORE the primary election you may want to call your city/town clerk to confirm). I would stringly recommend mail this request via Certified Mail.

Second, you have to request an absentee ballot for the particular party you're going to vote. Again, I would suggest you submit this request AFTER you receive the Return-Receipt from the above-Certified Mail (step one). Once receiving the ballot, follow the instructions for voting and submitting.

After all that's done, submit a similar request to change your party affiliation to Non-party/Independent. Unlike the above-mentioned processes, this one is not as deadline sensitive.

This was how I participated to vote (via absentee ballot) in the 1988 primary (when I still was in school in Rhode Island at the time).
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