|Quoting YOWza (Reply 129):|
The real issue: a lack of foresight and coolness in assessing a turbulent situation correctly and responsibly. Such shows of force (and the underlying message they send) in waters far from home should be very deliberate and very well thought out. It is undeniable that this was a failure of leadership. A failure the US government chose squarely to ignore. To further rub salt into the raw wounds they gave Rogers some medal or other and struck this whole incident from his public record! I would cite the findings of independent panels on this issue but you will simply discredit them as being anti-American rhetoric so I will skip that to avoid getting into a slagging match.
This was not a "failure of leadership". This was a CO
doing what he thought was best given the info he had at the time. Mistakes were made, and I have never said that there was no mistakes made. What I am most pissed about is people on the site saying that Capt. Rodgers was a moron,reckless,careless and so on. The only US CO
that I know of in the past 25 years that was even close to that was Cmdr Brindel of the Stark, but he was hampered with a bad ROE. Was Capt Rodgers aggresive? Of course, you don't give the best AAW platform in history to a meek person. Was it sad that the US shot down a airliner full of people? YES.
Most people here were not even born when this happened, all they know is what Wikipedia says about it. I do know something about it. I was there in 1987, I remember how aggressive the Iranian's were to us. I remember see the damage to the Stark when we outchopped with her(I know she was attacked by the Iraqis). I remember being in my rack at 11:30 pm and listening to my CO
tell us that an Iranian frigate was messing with us and pointing their gun at us, and hearing in the back ground the EW
of the watch scream that he just lit off his F/C radar and racing to GQ
, just waiting to hear a missile launch. I remember the Captain of a Greek tanker pleading with our CO
to do something about the Iranian ship that was shelling his ship. And our CO
requesting permission just to put our ship between them and the Iranian ship,and Commideastforce telling us no, thats not in the ROE.I remember the day that we found the Iran Ajr laying mines. And I remember the day I heard that the Roberts hit a mine, because my brother-in-law was the HM
onboard that ship. So if it seems that I take this personal, well I DO
. Shipmates were lost during that time, my family was in danger, to me it wasn't a game or a "show of force". It was life or death. If people here can't deal with what happened then "oh well". The Persian Gulf in 1987-1988 was the most dangerous place on earth that was due to Iran/Iraq not caring about international law.
Dan in Jupiter