Saturday's Stupid Thread: Your Favourite Iron Chef

LTU932 · Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:40 am

I was just watching a few Iron Chef vids from the original Japanese show and I was wondering, who's your favourite Iron Chef?

I'm personally a bit split, but I'm leaning towards Morimoto and "King of Iron Chefs" Sakai.

NeilYYZ · Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:06 am

I like Morimoto, although I rarely watch the Japanese version.

From Iron Chef America I like Bobby Flay.

AF340 · Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:07 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Thread starter):
I'm personally a bit split, but I'm leaning towards Morimoto and "King of Iron Chefs" Sakai.

My favourite is Chen Kenichi, and, what was that Kobe guy about (the italian-japanese guy) he was like never on the show.

Favourite American one is Batali (even though my old boss whooped Flay a**)

Liam spin

KROC · Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:25 pm

Bobby Flay no doubt. Least favorite would have to be Cat Cora.

LTU932 · Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:52 pm

Quoting AF340 (Reply 2):
My favourite is Chen Kenichi, and, what was that Kobe guy about (the italian-japanese guy) he was like never on the show.

He was rarely on the show. Many of his fights were pre-arranged, that means that he was in advance designated for those battles due to his "unofficial" status as junior Iron Chef (he was called junior Iron Chef because he doesn't have decades of experience as chef like Chen, Sakai, Morimoto, Michiba, etc.).

[Edited 2008-01-12 09:55:18]

ANCFlyer · Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:59 pm

On Iron Chef America:

Mario Batali . . .

Cat is cute. Morimoto is good. Bobby Flay is an ass.

Mario is a great Chef . . . I particularly enjoy the way he explains the roots of what he's preparing, it's regional nuances, etc.

On the Original

Chen Kenechi

IFEMaster · Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:03 pm

Has to be Batalli all the way. The guy is one bad ass chef. I was very impressed with his battle against Jamie Oliver recently, since Jamie is a great chef in his own right and both of them were very imaginative and creative in their dishes.

Cat Cora is the most pleasing to look at though... biggrin

LTU932 · Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:35 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 6):
Cat Cora

As for Iron Chef America, I'm not really that much into the show, but suffice to say that, along with Morimoto, I'm split between Cora (because of her Aegean/Mediterranean style) and Batalli (because of his Italian style). What I would like to see is Batalli taking on Iron Chef Kobe. Too bad the original Iron Chef sticked with Bobby Flay vs Morimoto and didn't choose Batalli for a battle with the so-called Prince of Pasta.

FlagshipAZ · Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:42 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Cat is cute. Morimoto is good. Bobby Flay is an ass.

Agreed 100%. Cat is attractive. Morimoto when he speaks, is a riot. Flay is highly over-rated.
Batali is entertaining. Symon is okay, too new to form an opinion yet.
John Besh was my first vote before Symon was declared the 5th IC.
Regards.

kalakaua · Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:09 am

Michiba, Chen, and Sakai.

Morimoto is the only one that I can think of that's original on ICA.

sw733 · Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:11 am

Mario Batali's tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried. (Lame, but true)

huskyaviation · Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:23 am

On the original Japanese version, I liked Sakai the best. I also liked that show better, it was so campy and fun to watch when drunk in college.

On the American version, I like Batali too. Symon is OK, but I would have preferred John Besh. I'd like to see one of the American ICs take on Gordon Ramsay. That would be an interesting battle.

kmh1956 · Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:26 am

I've only ever watched the American one, and don't really have a favorite....but I DO have a question....who the hell is the Chairman? He looks so familliar, albeit annoying.

JetBlueGuy2006 · Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:34 am

I must say I like Cat Cora. I am not much for the southwestern flare or batali and his Italian.

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 12):
who the hell is the Chairman?

Mark Dacascos. He is a Martial Arts expert.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Dacascos

L-188 · Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:39 am

I hate to say this but I did use a couple of Bobby Flay recipies for thanksgiving and x-mas dinner this year. I saw him on the Halibut battle and will try out his blue corn rub on one as soon as I catch it this summer.

kalakaua · Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:38 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 10):
Mario Batali's tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried. (Lame, but true)

Umm... That's actually Chuck Norris, dude. Batali's tears grows white truffles, and he hardly ever cries.

kmh1956 · Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:57 pm

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 13):
Mark Dacascos. He is a Martial Arts expert.

Thanks! He really irritates me...

LTU932 · Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:55 pm

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 13):
Mark Dacascos. He is a Martial Arts expert.

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 16):
Thanks! He really irritates me...

He claims to be the nephew of Chairman Kaga, which is absolutely not true even if it was just an act, because:

1. Chairman Kaga never existed in real life. It was all part of the show.
2. For Mark Dacascos to be the nephew of Chairman Kaga, he looks much too Latino to be him.

Bottom line, as far as chairmen goes, Chairman Kaga rules! He has style, charisma, was brave enough to bite into a bell pepper and actually eating it (though he looks like he doesn't like the taste of it)

And "The Chairman" from ICA sucks.

BTW: Could someone from ICA let the Iron Chefs wear a cook's dress of their choosing, like on the original Iron Chef? The blue dresses just suck. This is also where Iron Chef The Original excelled. The chefs had dresses on that basically fitted their style of cooking (Sakai in almost the same red as the French flag, Morimoto in silver with the American and Japanese flag on his back to show that he's into Neo-Japanese cuisine, Chen in plain but recognisable Chinese style clothes in yellow, and Kobe with his silver dress with strips of the Italian flag on it).

CPH-R · Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:02 pm

Hmm, tough choice all around.

I like Masaharu Morimoto for his refusal to back down against the Ohta-faction (I think that's what they were called) and the endless number of battles against their chefs.

I like Chen Kenichi for his unique approach to cooking (Am I wrong in remembering he once made fried a duck in cola?)

.. and I like Hiroyuki Sakai due to all the French cooking battles.

LTU932 · Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:09 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 18):
Ohta-faction (I think that's what they were called)

Yes, it was the Ohta-Faction. I saw an episode of that once, and it was as if the Yakuza were coming to Kitchen Stadium to fight against Morimoto.

KROC · Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:07 pm

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 8):
Cat is attractive.

Cat looks like a miserable twat. Maybe Pep outta give her a good root to break that miserable puss she sports on every show. Wink

FlagshipAZ · Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:40 pm

Quoting KROC (Reply 20):
Cat looks like a miserable twat

You wouldn't be saying that, if Cat was making your breakfast, lunch & dinner
in your kitchen wearing nothing but a smock & a smile, now would ya??
eyepopping

She probably has a lovely "twat" too.

ANCFlyer · Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:07 pm

Quoting KROC (Reply 20):
Cat looks like a miserable twat. Maybe Pep outta give her a good root to break that miserable puss she sports on every show.

She's cute AND she cooks . . . . what's there not to like . . .

Miserable Puss? Hell, man, don't bother a professional in the kitchen . . . I don't let anyone in my kitchen when I'm cooking . . .

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 21):
You wouldn't be saying that, if Cat was making your breakfast, lunch & dinner
in your kitchen wearing nothing but a smock & a smile, now would ya??

Exactly!!!

KROC · Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:08 pm

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 21):
You wouldn't be saying that, if Cat was making your breakfast, lunch & dinner
in your kitchen wearing nothing but a smock & a smile, now would ya??

Yeah, I would. She doesn't do it for me, lol.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
She's cute AND she cooks . . . . what's there not to like . . .

Miserable Puss? Hell, man, don't bother a professional in the kitchen . . . I don't let anyone in my kitchen when I'm cooking . . .

Okay, so she might look better in the kitchen that you..... duck

Confuscius · Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:03 am

You wouldn't be saying that, if Cat was making your breakfast, lunch & dinner
in your kitchen wearing nothing but a smock & a smile, now would ya??

In her previous life perhaps...she now prefers sushi over sausage.

When she isn't flying to New York or elsewhere for tapings, Cora lives with her partner, Jennifer, and year-old son, Zoran, in a compact, cream- colored townhome in an enclave off Interstate 80.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...?f=/c/a/2005/04/01/EBG74BTQJ01.DTL

[Edited 2008-01-14 17:05:38]

N1120A · Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:20 am

Without a doubt, Morimoto. Both shows.

Quoting AF340 (Reply 2):
what was that Kobe guy about (the italian-japanese guy) he was like never on the show.

Because of the way the set had been built, it wasn't practical to bring him in other than when specifically requested.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
(he was called junior Iron Chef because he doesn't have decades of experience as chef like Chen, Sakai, Morimoto, Michiba, etc.).

Actually, the main reason was because he didn't own a restaurant. This was also a criticism of Morimoto-san, but his status as executive chef of one of the world's best Japanese restaurants and his later opening of a restaurant changed that.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 6):

Cat Cora is the most pleasing to look at though...

Too bad for all of us that she is a lesbian Wink

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 6):
I was very impressed with his battle against Jamie Oliver recently, since Jamie is a great chef in his own right and both of them were very imaginative and creative in their dishes.

Just based on how the food looked, Jamie won that battle for me.

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 11):
I also liked that show better, it was so campy and fun

Absolutely. It took itself so seriously that it didn't.

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 11):
Symon is OK, but I would have preferred John Besh.

Totally agree. Besh just puts the whole package together better.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
I hate to say this but I did use a couple of Bobby Flay recipies for thanksgiving and x-mas dinner this year.

No shame in that. While Flay over uses fat in his cooking, particularly the horrible mad scientist's concoction known as mayonnaise (take a look at his Muffaletta Throw Down), his use of spices and heat is legendary.

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 15):
Batali's tears grows white truffles, and he hardly ever cries.

My girlfriend will love that one. BTW, Batali's pizza restaurant here in L.A. is great

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):

He claims to be the nephew of Chairman Kaga, which is absolutely not true even if it was just an act, because:

1. Chairman Kaga never existed in real life

Well, Kaga-san does exist in real life. He is one of Japan's most celebrated actors.

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 18):

I like Masaharu Morimoto for his refusal to back down against the Ohta-faction (I think that's what they were called)

Absolutely classic. The tension between the two was very real.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19):
I saw an episode of that once, and it was as if the Yakuza were coming to Kitchen Stadium to fight against Morimoto.

And Morimoto-san sliced them up one at a time. Perhaps that is why he had a sword as part of his knife set? Wink

L-188 · Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:03 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
While Flay over uses fat in his cooking, particularly the horrible mad scientist's concoction known as mayonnaise (take a look at his Muffaletta Throw Down),

Yeah I saw that episode of Throwdown the other night. No worse on the Mayo then when I make Tuna Fish, but I prefer Miracle Whip. Of course I do enjoy getting weird looks from some of the kids when I have a burger at Carls Jr, and putting mayo on my x-cut fries.

N1120A · Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:17 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 26):
but I prefer Miracle Whip.

Double yuck. If it is white, comes out of a jar and they tell you to put it on a sandwich, I don't touch it. Wink

Quoting L-188 (Reply 26):
and putting mayo on my x-cut fries.

How European of you.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 26):

Yeah I saw that episode of Throwdown the other night

Sad that Jack Serio died.

L-188 · Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:21 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 27):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 26):

Yeah I saw that episode of Throwdown the other night

Sad that Jack Serio died.

That always puts a downer on any show. This Old House lost their tile guy and they had a bit of a quickie tribute to him also.

Ok, bad taste comment......It was the mayo.

Sorry couldn't resist.

N1120A · Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:27 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 28):

That always puts a downer on any show.

It was sad, but it is nice to know his brother and family carry on the tradition.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 28):
It was the mayo.

Jack didn't touch the mayo on his Muffaletta Wink

CO7e7 · Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:32 am

My favorite is Morimoto.

Cat Cora.......

LTU932 · Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:03 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
Too bad for all of us that she is a lesbian

Who cares? They all do have a tendency to enjoy both sausage and the sushi. Wink

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
Well, Kaga-san does exist in real life. He is one of Japan's most celebrated actors.

I said Chairman Kaga doesn't exist. I know Takeshi Kaga does exist, my point is that Chairman Kaga was just a fictional figure played by a man named Shigekatsu Katsuda, who curiously changed his name to Takeshi Kaga because he thought it was too "Japanese".

Quoting N1120A (Reply 27):
If it is white, comes out of a jar and they tell you to put it on a sandwich, I don't touch it.

You're all missing out. Wink

I love good mayonaise, especially on a Pommes Rot-Weiß or on even simple things like a ham sandwich. yummy

KROC · Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:54 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 31):
You're all missing out. I love good mayonaise, especially on a Pommes Rot-Weiß or on even simple things like a ham sandwich.

I don't know. I'm with N1120A on this one.

LTU932 · Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:19 pm

Quoting KROC (Reply 32):
I don't know. I'm with N1120A on this one.

Here's the deal: You take LHMARK to Germany, let him order a Pommes Rot-Weiß (fries with mayo and ketchup, hence Rot-Weiß or Red-White) and a Currywurst (if not available, a Nürnberger Bratwurst will also do) for you. Then get back to me about whether you like mayo or not. Wink

KROC · Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:25 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 33):
Here's the deal: You take LHMARK to Germany, let him order a Pommes Rot-Weiß (fries with mayo and ketchup, hence Rot-Weiß or Red-White) and a Currywurst (if not available, a Nürnberger Bratwurst will also do) for you. Then get back to me about whether you like mayo or not.

Lol. I've gone to a local German place here in Rochester with LHMark for lunch, and after sampling some of the fare, I might be inclined to dump mayo all over my next German meal. Although putting mayo on a glorified salt lick...I still don't know. Wink

LTU932 · Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:49 pm

Quoting KROC (Reply 34):
I've gone to a local German place here in Rochester

Doesn't count. You have to go to Germany for that (may I suggest NUE, DTM or HAM?). mischievous

Confuscius · Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:54 pm

Does Der Weinerschnitzel hotdogs count?

LTU932 · Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:01 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 36):
Does Der Weinerschnitzel hotdogs count?

Not if it isn't in Germany. But I'm going to be generous, places in German speaking Europe (Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Belgium, and Luxembourg) will all count.

N1120A · Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:10 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 36):
Does Der Weinerschnitzel hotdogs count?

Funny how that place doesn't actually sell schnitzel.

garnetpalmetto · Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:20 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):
The blue dresses just suck.

If I recall, on the finale of "The Next Iron Chef" they stated that new jackets would be debuting soon that were designed by Mark Ecko.

From original Iron Chef, I liked Morimoto once he came on - prior to that, Chen Kenichi. Never could like Sakai as he reminded me entirely too much of an asshole orchestra conductor I had in college. I loved Morimoto's unorthodox approach in a nation which seemed very culinarily orthodox. That and the aforementioned battles between the Ohta Faction were always fun, so much so that you saw later similar battles between Serie A and Kobe and Club Mistral and Sakai.

From Iron Chef America, I'd give it to Batali or Flay. I enjoy watching them cook, Flay because his food consistently looks amazing and Mario for that and because he gives so much information abou the food - and I love watching him and Alton Brown interact.

The thing I'd love ICA to do would be to take a page from Iron Chef and have Alton compete against an Iron Chef (I'm referencing two epis of Iron Chef where Dr. Hattori challenged Iron Chefs). If we can watch Paula "two sticks of butter" Deen compete, why not someone who has been to cooking school and represents the culinary point of view of the everyday sort of guy?

LTU932 · Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:27 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 39):
If we can watch Paula "two sticks of butter" Deen compete, why not someone who has been to cooking school and represents the culinary point of view of the everyday sort of guy?

And one thing I appreciated from the original Iron Chef is that they wouldn't have even let Paula Deen participate in it because they required the chefs to be as professional as possible (not to mention the competitors had to be actual chefs). And yes, ICA should have Alton Brown have a battle.

N1120A · Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:33 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 39):
designed by Mark Ecko

That kind of kills it. He is a whiny attention whore.

Confuscius · Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:07 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 41):
designed by Mark Ecko

That kind of kills it. He is a whiny attention whore.

You forgot the "signed by" Barry Bonds.

L-188 · Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:37 am

Hey does anybody know if there has ever been an "Iron Chef" cookbook that featured some of the recipies from the show.

I haven't seen one.

LTU932 · Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:58 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 43):
Hey does anybody know if there has ever been an "Iron Chef" cookbook that featured some of the recipies from the show.

No idea about ICA, but for the original Iron Chef, I only found this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Chef-Official-Kaoru-Hoketsu/dp/0425180883

It does contain apparently a selection of the 10 best dishes, selected by Chairman Kaga. It's in English, so no worries about language barriers. And there's this book from Iron Chef Morimoto, but unlike the IC book which is more of a summary of certain recipes and interviews, this is apparently a genuine cookbook.

http://asian-fusion-food.suite101.co...e.cfm/iron_chef_morimotos_cookbook

L-188 · Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:08 am

Actually I just saw Morimoto's cookbook in one of our local stores yesterday!

I have Bobby Flav's and I have seen others by Kora and Batali.

Still they don't have the recipies they cooked on the show.

garnetpalmetto · Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:45 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 45):
Still they don't have the recipies they cooked on the show.

Probbaly because in some cases they don't want those recipes to EVER see the light of day, like bacon ice cream. vomit

N1120A · Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:20 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 46):

Probbaly because in some cases they don't want those recipes to EVER see the light of day, like bacon ice cream.

Actually, bacon deserts have become rather popular, for some strange reason.

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