What's Wrong With The South (of The UK)

LHRjc · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:10 pm

As Nighthawk has thrown down the gauntlet in the thread Welcome Back Myt332! (by Nighthawk Jan 14 2008 in Non Aviation) , I am here to ask for your support. He claims, naively, that Scotland is better than the South, and that by starting this thread it will quickly become the most popular thread in Non-Av, as he thinks the South is a dump, and Scotland is beautiful. He is wrong... obviously.

Therefore, I would like to ask you to pledge your support for the South in this thread. Obviously just like the Fox News Channel, this thread will be kept fair and balanced, and therefore all anti-Southern posts will have the Suggest Deletion button pressed against them Smile

OK, let the Southern-bashing begin...

Oh and for the record, unfortunately I spend my time equally between said North and South, so please don't think I'm being anti-Northern biggrin

RacingGreen07 · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:12 pm

I think the South is great...

erm.....erm....well.....erm we are closer to the equator than Scotland and therefore have better weather? Thats all for right now but I'm sure I can think of other things soon!

nighthawk · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:14 pm

Quoting LHRjc (Thread starter):
as he thinks the South is a dump, and Scotland is beautiful. He is wrong... obviously.

i never said that! .... however it is of course true..

but back to the topic... whats bloody right with it? Its full of english for a start! not only that, but southern nancies! The worst type...

Fiatstilojtd · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:16 pm

LHRjc you cancelled the support for me, I cancel the support for you...simple and easy as that... Wink

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But Scotland is a dump.....

LHRjc · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:17 pm

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 2):
but back to the topic... whats bloody right with it?

I can order a Domino's Pizza and magically 20 minutes later it's delivered... free... Can you? No, you can't. I rest my case.

LHRjc · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:18 pm

Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 3):
But Scotland is a dump.....

I'm gaining respect for you once again Smile

RacingGreen07 · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:20 pm

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 4):
I can order a Domino's Pizza and magically 20 minutes later it's delivered... free... Can you? No, you can't. I rest my case.

LOL, there are Dominos outlets in Scotland...

IH8BY · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:21 pm

Is this an appropriate moment to quote Dr. Johnson (of dictionary fame)?

Furthermore, where does the South stop? Surely before the Scottish border! As I see it, the South of England stops somewhere south of Birmingham, and the North begins from there on, although it is interrupted by the presence of Yorkshire (whose residents are so resolutely independent that they may well be demanding a flag on here soon), and continues up to the border. Scotland in my mind is something different altogether. It's not The North. It's just Scotland.

LHRjc · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:29 pm

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 7):
Furthermore, where does the South stop?

Watford? No, I think you have summed up the definitions of the South and North perfectly fairly Smile

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 7):
Yorkshire (whose residents are so resolutely independent that they may well be demanding a flag on here soon)

Never a truer word spoken!

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 7):
Scotland in my mind is something different altogether. It's not The North. It's just Scotland

So basically, the South is better than Yorkshire, and Scotland is just Scotland. Yep, I can go with that. biggrin

aloges · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:29 pm

Scotland... isn't that what you see out of the right window when you're flying, say, AMS-JFK? duck

MYT332 · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:34 pm

Quoting LHRjc (Thread starter):
He claims, naively, that Scotland is better than the South

Well I don't quite get what you are saying? Scotland is better than the South of what, England or Great Britain as a whole? Obviously the answer to that is neither but I just want to know if I have to defend England's north.

RicciPettit · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:35 pm

The South is the place to be!!

Especially Sittingbourne in Kent, where I spent the first 19 years of my life. Now I've been living a year up in Accrington, Lancashire I miss it so much.

I miss being able to just go into London when I get bored, everyone speaking properly and fully, and I don't know if this makes sense but the South has a better atmosphere. It's cheery and even the place names sound different.

Also I miss being able to see for miles without having to stare into the side of a mountain/hill.

aloges · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:36 pm

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 10):
if I have to defend England's north.

Probably not, you may keep it. No one has a use for it anyway.

Fiatstilojtd · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:37 pm

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 10):
I just want to know if I have to defend England's north.

If they need you to defend the north, they are lost anyway Silly

LHRjc · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:38 pm

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 10):
Well I don't quite get what you are saying? Scotland is better than the South of what, England or Great Britain as a whole? Obviously the answer to that is neither but I just want to know if I have to defend England's north.

Considering you're only 1/32 Scottish you are being very patriotic Smile

How exactly do you intend to defend the North of England?!

GDB · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:50 pm

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 2):
but back to the topic... whats bloody right with it? Its full of english for a start! not only that, but southern nancies! The worst type...

Well I've lived in the South my whole life, near LHR for most of it-working there it is choc full of Scots, always has been.
But they are of course, beyond good natured two way ribbing, secure in themselves.

WrenchBender · Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:56 pm

Anything east of Chester and south of Dolgellau, isn't worth a toss. duck

WrenchBender

RacingGreen07 · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:01 pm

WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! No North and No South...

The north has rolling hills and eye catching greenery.

If your the type of person who loves the countryside then the middle-north you will find breathtaking. Or if you prefer the hustle and bustle of modern life then come to London, but be sure to not be swept off your feet!

Its always the Scottish people who are "toughest" in films..

LHRjc · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:02 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 15):
But they are of course, beyond good natured two way ribbing, secure in themselves.

Aye, that they are... Which is why we can have "discussions" like this, eh Nighthawk?! Smile

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 16):
Anything east of Chester and south of Dolgellau, isn't worth a toss

Urgh. I hope you're not referring to that bit that sticks out the left hand side of the UK. I'd forgotten about that place. I think for fairnesses sake, that little bit needs to be excluded from this argument?

MYT332 · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:02 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 12):
Probably not, you may keep it. No one has a use for it anyway.

Except the majority of the UK?

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 14):
Considering you're only 1/32 Scottish you are being very patriotic

To what?

PlymSpotter · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:09 pm

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 7):
Furthermore, where does the South stop? Surely before the Scottish border! As I see it, the South of England stops somewhere south of Birmingham,

Eugh, please don't remind me about that place, it's bad enough that I live there! If including other regions such as Midlands, East and South West etc... then it does indeed begin south of Brum, aside of that there are no administrative boundaries to definately say something is north or south of that, so I guess we'll just have to have a bun fight to try and decide the matter. Please note - eating the buns will lead to an automatic disqualification.

Quoting RacingGreen07 (Reply 17):
WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! No North and No South...

Because we're obviously so much better than them, and we need to keep reminding about it, just so that they know their place Wink

LHRjc · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:16 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 20):
we'll just have to have a bun fight to try and decide the matter.

That's the most sensible thing I've heard all day. Now, the question is, which word do we use for bun? This could cause confusion, I mean a bun for me can be a breadcake, barm, roll, among other things. Argh....

PlymSpotter · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:25 pm

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 21):
That's the most sensible thing I've heard all day. Now, the question is, which word do we use for bun? This could cause confusion, I mean a bun for me can be a breadcake, barm, roll, among other things. Argh....

Sod it then, let's just use sheep; we can use catapults to hurl them at each other Big grin

IH8BY · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:25 pm

Why stop at buns? Anyone got a stottie handy? (when you come through arrivals at Newcastle International, Greggs helpfully offers you local information, by way of the proud declaration: "the North East: Home of the Stottie")

Fiatstilojtd · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:29 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 23):
we can use catapults to hurl them at each other

Why use catapults when you can use Nighthawk or Kirkie....or when I think about it why not use the catapults with/for Nighthawk and Kirkie Wink

WrenchBender · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:29 pm

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 19):
that bit that sticks out the left hand side of the UK

That "bit that sticks out" is the place I was brought up for 12 of the 13 years I lived in the UK. Without it we wouldn't have that great TV show 'The Prisoner', the only mountains in "the south" are there. Yes we speak a little funny but no funnier than brummies, geordies and wurzels.

WrenchBender

ferengi80 · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:33 pm

I was born in Brighton, East Sussex, and now live in Widnes, Cheshire. I work in Liverpool. I love the South of England, and would love to move back down there. Not sure that I would love to Sussex, its far too expensive these days, but I would love to live somewhere like Oxford. However, there are some places in the North that are equally as nice - I adore Liverpool, and MAN wins my vote over LHR any day of the week! I have only flown through LHR once, and hated every moment of it! Okay, it was Terminal One, but I have been forever scarred by this horrendous experience!

There are areas of Scotland that I like, and areas that I detest. All in all, I would say the South wins the vote with me (and even though I have spent all but four years of my life living in the North, I will always class myself as a Southerner!)

PlymSpotter · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:35 pm

Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 24):
(12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 0 times:

Something gone a bit funny with the time there, or are you a Time Lord?

Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 24):
or when I think about it why not use the catapults with/for Nighthawk and Kirkie

We have a limited supply (2), and they are on the wrong side to begin with, hence we must use the Sheep! Unless the Scots thing we are showering them in gifts - I suppose it could get a bit confusing for them scratchchin

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 25):
That "bit that sticks out" is the place I was brought up for 12 of the 13 years I lived in the UK. Without it we wouldn't have that great TV show 'The Prisoner', the only mountains in "the south" are there. Yes we speak a little funny but no funnier than brummies, geordies and wurzels.

Ah, my condolences to you Wink

Actually, the most Southerly mountains in the Biritsh Isles are on Dartmoor; in the UK a mountain is considered to be a pice of land which extends to more than 2000ft over sea level, meaning there are a couple there.

Dan Smile

nighthawk · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:36 pm

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 21):
This could cause confusion, I mean a bun for me can be a breadcake, barm, roll, among other things. Argh....

softies up here... butties elsewhere in scotland

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 19):
Aye, that they are... Which is why we can have "discussions" like this, eh Nighthawk?!

we give as good as we get

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 10):
Obviously the answer to that is neither but I just want to know if I have to defend England's north.

you must defend northern england, we are discussing why the "south of england" is so crap. Sadly LHRjc is a typical useless southerner and couldnt even get the topic title correct Yeah sure

IH8BY · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:42 pm

Quoting Ferengi80 (Reply 26):
I would love to live somewhere like Oxford

'Orrible place, trust me.

Live just outside Oxford (or be a student), and then you don't have to put up with the bad bits.

mhodgson · Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:43 pm

Been a northerner almost all my life; been living in Oxford for about a year I have no real complaints about the south; though it is a little more expensive.

Though one thing that does rile me is people in the Home Counties complaining about poor public transport - they should try living in Morecambe, and then their complaints about poor services might just be heard!

Plus, the south is a long way to drive from Morecambe Silly

A340600 · Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:09 pm

Quoting RacingGreen07 (Reply 17):
If your the type of person who loves the countryside then the middle-north you will find breathtaking. Or if you prefer the hustle and bustle of modern life then come to London, but be sure to not be swept off your feet!

London isn't all there is down south.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 20):
Because we're obviously so much better than them, and we need to keep reminding about it, just so that they know their place

Well said. When you've got people like Alex as the example of the North there really is no hope for them Wink

Goodnight.

RobertNL070 · Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:53 pm

Quoting RacingGreen07 (Reply 17):
The north has rolling hills and eye catching greenery.

You've never heard of the Chilterns, the Cotswolds, the North Downs or South Downs then? Smile

PlymSpotter · Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:58 pm

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 32):
You've never heard of the Chilterns, the Cotswolds, the North Downs or South Downs then?

Or Devon and Cornwall - you can quite easily get sick of the hills though, especially if you like cycling grumpy

skidmarks · Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:08 pm

As a born and bred Southerner who has lived all over the country (and that includes Scotland AND Wales!), I have to say I prefer the peace and quiet of Lincolnshire, the solitude of a remote Scottish glen or the wild, wet Welsh hills around Brecon. But, here I am, back in Horley, a place that has changed beyond belief since I left to join the RAF 35 years ago. I'm living in a flat I used to deliver papers to as a young stud (Well, I would have been - honest!)

But even here, with LGW on the doorstep and getting harder to spot at by the minute, I can find pretty little villages that are quintessentially English, I can find quiet rolling hills just a few miles from here and winding country lanes that belie the fact that a dirty great airport lurks only a few miles away.

Fact is, I can find places all over the United Kingdom - North, South, East or West - that I like and would live in. So, for me, there is only a North/South divide in the banter and piss-taking I indulge in wherever I roam.

So bicker and score points all you like kiddies, but just make sure you enjoy it before the whole place is turned into a bloody great car park which the Goverment will charge you for the privelage of using. Big grin

Andy

mainMAN · Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:13 pm

Quoting LHRjc (Thread starter):
OK, let the Southern-bashing begin...

Oh and for the record, unfortunately I spend my time equally between said North and South, so please don't think I'm being anti-Northern biggrin

It's like this. The South and the Midlands are boring. The south east countryside is all very pretty and lovely but it undulates boringly so you never know just how far you are from anywhere, and you never really know where the coast is. And it's full of boring 1930s suburbia. Hemel Hempstead anyone....? Big grin

On the other hand, anywhere north of about Stoke or Derby is God's country.

I thank you.

Banco · Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:10 am

The South is better because we have all the money.

Simple. Wink

Leezyjet · Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:23 am

Not read the whole thread, but the South is crap because they cannot pull a decent pint of bitter. No sparklers on the spouts, so they pull it flat !!!. WTF is that all about ??.

Also too many people in the SE of England, too many cars, too many traffic jams, house prices too high.....

Yorkshire, now thats THE best place in the UK. Rolling countryside, and major city centres can be reached in 10 mins if you live in the right place, and we have the best fish and chips and can pull a decent pint, not as many people living there, cheaper house prices and less traffic !!.

And Leeds has an airport that was modelled on an aircraft carrier - what more could you ask for ?.

Smile

skidmarks · Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:38 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 37):
And Leeds has an airport that was modelled on an aircraft carrier - what more could you ask for ?.

More variety than Jet2, BMi and puddle jumpers? duck

And less water around to float it!! Big grin

Oh, and have you tried getting through Leeds city centre at rush hour?

Andy old

LHRjc · Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:43 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 36):
The South is better because we have all the money.

Ah, Banco, I knew I could rely on a one-liner from you to sum it up perfectly!

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 37):
Yorkshire, now thats THE best place in the UK.

You're having a laugh, right? Yorkshire? Pff... I have to spend half my life in that place, and basically if you're not from Yorkshire you're ostracized from the community like a leper! Or maybe it's just me? They can't even get on with their next door neighbours in Lancashire! And just because I have a Southern accent I'm called a cockney.. or was it just a cock, I'm not quite sure

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 37):
And Leeds has an airport that was modelled on an aircraft carrier

And so does the South - Biggin Hill. Granted, we don't let the riff raff in, but it's still pretty fun to fly in and out of.

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 34):
I can find pretty little villages that are quintessentially English

You clearly haven't strayed over the border into Kent then!!

[Edited 2008-01-18 00:43:45]

gkirk · Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:56 am

Quite a lot.

GKirk (heading south today Yeah sure

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LHRjc · Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:01 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 40):
heading south today

It's ok, Her Majesty's Constabulary are on full alert. You won't get past Carlisle.

nighthawk · Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:16 am

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 34):

welcome back skidmarks, where have you been hiding?

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 39):
if you're not from Yorkshire you're ostracized from the community like a leper! Or maybe it's just me?

its just you. Noone likes you, havent you realised that yet? duck

LHRjc · Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:34 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 42):
its just you. Noone likes you, havent you realised that yet?

*sniff* *sniff* it's ok, I had kinda worked that out by now! box

Banco · Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:54 am

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 39):
Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 37):
And Leeds has an airport that was modelled on an aircraft carrier

And so does the South - Biggin Hill.

Even more than Biggin Hill we have London City, where you really do come in high and steep - if you miss you're in the water, and if you don't tell them you're on your way an air defence group comes to shoot you down. Wink

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 40):
GKirk (heading south today )

Thus, the housing price falls are explained....

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 39):
And just because I have a Southern accent I'm called a cockney

If you're from East Kent like me, half the rest of the country thinks you're Australian. Yeah sure

ME AVN FAN · Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:18 am

Quoting LHRjc (Thread starter):
Scotland is better than the South

I visited Edinburgh and Glasgow, in combination with Newcastle which to me whenever England is in the NORTH, some years ago in July. It in London has been comfortably warm while it up there was rather cold, like in early winter . Edinburgh indeed IS beautiful, and the citycentre of Glasgow is nice at least.
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I therefore in Britain prefer Southern England with London, Bristol, Plymouth, Exeter, Bournemouth, Arundel and Dover.
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Quoting RacingGreen07 (Reply 1):
closer to the equator than Scotland

less close to the Arctic Circle, would be MY way to put it ! Big grin

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Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
Scotland... isn't that what you see out of the right window when you're flying, say, AMS-JFK? duck

you ought rather to see Wales and Ireland, usually at least
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Banco · Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:25 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 45):
and Dover

Dover?????

Apart from the castle (which is stunning), Dover's an absolute hole!

PlymSpotter · Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:26 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 44):
Even more than Biggin Hill we have London City, where you really do come in high and steep - if you miss you're in the water, and if you don't tell them you're on your way an air defence group comes to shoot you down.

Try PLH as well, the new carriers for the navy will be a quarter of it's runway length!

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 45):
I therefore in Britain prefer Southern England with London, Bristol, Plymouth, Exeter, Bournemouth, Arundel and Dover.

Good man!

Fiatstilojtd · Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:09 am

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 34):
since I left to join the RAF 35 years ago.

Don't you miss one or two zeros after the 35 there Andy ? Wink

Banco · Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:23 am

Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 48):
Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 34):
since I left to join the RAF 35 years ago.

Don't you miss one or two zeros after the 35 there Andy ?

It was called the Royal Flying Corps at the time...

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