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Premier League Considers Overseas Matches

Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:46 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7232390.stm

The English Premier League is considering playing some matches overseas, BBC Sport has learned.
At a meeting in London on Thursday, all 20 clubs agreed to explore a proposal to extend the season to 39 games.

Those 10 extra games would be played at venues around the world, with cities bidding for the right to stage them.


Was only a matter of time, I suppose, given that other sports are doing it.  Yeah sure
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:58 pm



Quoting Banco (Thread starter):
Was only a matter of time, I suppose, given that other sports are doing it.

Good grief. Is it really necessary? Its not as if they don't have summer friendly tournaments abroad already.

I'm sure the marketing depts at some of these clubs are salivating. But just how are they going to fit some of these matches into a long season anyway. If a club is in Europe and both cups, then quite how they'd fit a long trip into Thailand or Malaysia for example in between all their other commitments I don't know.

I reckon if it comes in, the big clubs will push for the League Cup to go.


not that it will ever be an issue for a Plymouth supporter  Wink
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:04 pm



Quoting Cornish (Reply 1):
Is it really necessary?

Of course it isn't necessary. It's about money, as always. Remember, all those overseas buyers of the football clubs want a return on their investment. The integrity of the game isn't remotely of interest to them.
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:06 pm



Quoting Cornish (Reply 1):
I reckon if it comes in, the big clubs will push for the League Cup to go.

They should push for that anyway. It's a meaningless, pointless, nancy-boy cup that should be confined to Championship and below.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 1):
not that it will ever be an issue for a Plymouth supporter

Oxford United here, so I have nothing to worry about either  Smile
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:53 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 2):
Of course it isn't necessary. It's about money, as always. Remember, all those overseas buyers of the football clubs want a return on their investment. The integrity of the game isn't remotely of interest to them.

Quite so. Its not like American Football or Rugby League playing matches in new venues to try and spread the awareness and popularity of the game. USA expected, football and the Premier League doesn't have any problems with awareness abroad.

Question is, is there enough clubs in the Premiership to make ti worthwhile to play a whole set of matches abroad. Obviously the big 4, plus some of the other historically big clubs in certain places - Everton, Spurs, Villa, Man City. But they'd have to skew it to make sure one big club played a smaller club or there would be the danger of a Wigan v Fulham or similar that no city/promoter might want.

I'm sure if the numbers stack up it will happen - with a sweetner to the smaller clubs in the Premiership to ensure revenues.


Of course they could go the whole hog and have every ManUre home match played in Kuala Lumpur.....  Wink
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:50 pm

Sad as it sounds but money talks, and the money men who run the Premier League are looking at ways to rake in even more. We already have players and managers complaining of fatigue and burnout yet the PL wants to add more games played in different corners of the world, genius!! Given the fact that the Premier League is the most popular and the most watched sporting league in the world, why does it need more exposure? Money! And with more Premiership clubs falling under foreign ownership, i suppose something like this is inevitable.
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:06 pm

they better not do!

though the way footballs going these days it wouldnt surprise me  Sad

my west ham ticket last week cost £43
my chelsea ticket for sunday cost £48

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Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:23 pm



Quoting Cornish (Reply 1):
not that it will ever be an issue for a Plymouth supporter

That makes two of us then, are you still cringing from January as well?
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:27 pm



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
That makes two of us then, are you still cringing from January as well?

I'd have thought Plymouth fans should have been cringeing since birth to be honest...  duck 
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Quoting Banco (Reply 8):
I'd have thought Plymouth fans should have been cringeing since birth to be honest...

Says the City fan wondering when it is all going to inevitably go wrong Big grin
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Quoting Cornish (Reply 9):
Says the City fan wondering when it is all going to inevitably go wrong

This Sunday would be a good bet. Big grin
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:59 pm

Blimey stop complaining, your not losing a game they are proposing to add one game and make the season 39 games. I for one would go to watch Spurs in Melbourne of where ever they put the game. Get's me away from the dirty chav's that you have to mingle with when you got to football.

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Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:52 pm



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 11):
Blimey stop complaining, your not losing a game they are proposing to add one game and make the season 39 games

thats not the point!

there only doing it as a corporate money spinner! theres no need whatsoever to play a game abroad! if the chinese/japanese/thai/norwegians want to watch premier league football they can fucking well come to england to see it!
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:58 pm

Sorry but the real world revolves around money and not sentimentality. The TV company that paid 100 million for TV rights in Hong Kong holds a lot more sway then some disgruntled fans who aren't losing out on anything as it will be adding a game and not taking a home game away from anyone.
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:01 pm



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 13):

yes, and its a load of bollcoks!

thats not what footballs about!
 
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Quoting B78710 (Reply 14):
yes, and its a load of bollcoks!

thats not what footballs about!

Your obviously watching a different game to me then.  confused 

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Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:13 pm



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 15):

ok i'll re-phrase its not what football WAS about

working mans sport until fucking sky stuck their nose in!
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:16 pm



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 13):
The TV company that paid 100 million for TV rights in Hong Kong holds a lot more sway then some disgruntled fans who aren't losing out on anything as it will be adding a game and not taking a home game away from anyone.

It does to an extent. But if the fans ever got their act together and genuinely used the huge power they do actually have, then they absolutely could force the clubs to do what they wanted, rather than what the beancounters want.
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:31 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 17):

the problem is though, the only way the fans can hit the clubs is financially, maybe smaller clubs can do this, but how many fans of bigger clubs would stop going, give up there ST's and even if they did, there'd be someone else from the prawn sandwich brigade there more than happy to take there place!
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:33 pm



Quoting B78710 (Reply 18):
the problem is though, the only way the fans can hit the clubs is financially, maybe smaller clubs can do this, but how many fans of bigger clubs would stop going, give up there ST's and even if they did, there'd be someone else from the prawn sandwich brigade there more than happy to take there place!

Precisely. Which is why I say about the fans getting their act together. It doesn't remotely need to be universal either; half empty grounds would soon get the TV companies panicking.
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:39 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 19):
Precisely. Which is why I say about the fans getting their act together. It doesn't remotely need to be universal either; half empty grounds would soon get the TV companies panicking.

the reeboks half empty every other week  Wink

seriously though, i'd like to think it could happen, but certainly with us at anfield, if we all stayed away, there would be at least 40,000 irish/norwegians/chinese happy to take our places!
 
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RE: Premier League Considers Overseas Matches

Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:27 pm

Leave those overseas matches for pre-season, like the Bundesliga pretends to do in the future by playing friendly matches against local teams in Asia. Don't use official matches for a PR campaign that is totally pointless.

The NFL is a different thing because they're trying to spread awareness for the sport and cater to fans in those regions, but football, especially the EPL is already very established and doesn't need such a tour.
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:21 pm

Sad to see...

30 years ago, England was very high-regarded for it football supporters culture, nowadays the league couldn't care less about the local supporters. Incredibly expensive tickets, match times dominated by the needs of pay tv etc...

Let's hope the same will never happen to German football. I'm willing to give up european success for the preservation of fan culture anyday.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:29 pm



Quoting Racko (Reply 22):
Let's hope the same will never happen to German football. I'm willing to give up european success for the preservation of fan culture anyday.

Not to mention the sellout of football teams to single owners/investors. I mean, just look at what's happening at Liverpool right now, where the owners use LFC money to invest it in their MLB/NHL ventures instead of Liverpool. This is why it's so important that football doesn't get overcommercialised and that the current ownership rules remain as they are.

Fortunately, the fans have a lot of say in Germany. Otherwise, security measures wouldn't have been done to preserve stands in the stadiums, ticketprices wouldn't be reasonably low, etc. The clubs also actively work with the fans to make things happen, this is very important. Sure, the fans won't have a say in transfers and in the day-to-day sports day of the club, but they do have a say on other things related to the organisation (or at least the club listens to them). All we need is that there will be more Bundesliga matches shown live on free-TV, but the DFL will most likely not allow that to happen, and that's the sad part. After all, not all of us can afford Premiere.
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:38 pm

My main concern isn't Premiere, my main concern are the active fans who follow their team. I recognize that in Germany compared to Spain or England, we're still in "fan heaven", but still there are points where we have gone too far already.

For Example Cottbus is playing my Eintracht on a thursday (because of Easter) - this shouldn't happen, the matches that have to take place on friday and sunday should be the ones with the least distance between the 2 cities.

Dortmund-Schalke this sunday is a-ok, but Bayern-Bremen should be played on a saturday which is the most fan-friendly date.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:46 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 23):

which is why we have a group currently trying to get 100,000 fans together with 5k each to buy out Tom and Jerry!

they've made an absolute mockery of our club!
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:49 pm



Quoting Racko (Reply 24):

we recently had Portsmouth playing Newcastle, two teams, opposite ends of the country at a 12.45 Saturday afternoon kick off!, who the hell decided that one? obviously not someone who had the fans in mind!
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:57 pm

I'm guessing the EPL is seeing the success that the NFL and NHL both had with games in London. Considering that when any EPL team comes to a country as part of a summer tour, they tend to draw well, even if they don't have all of their star players with them. They could definitely draw well in the US between the US fans and the expats, go to any decent sized town in America with an British pub on a Saturday morning and the place will be overflowing to watch EPL matches. I could easily imagine some games being played in the US at many of the MLS venues (Since the overseas games are still several seasons away, pretty much all of the current MLS clubs will be in their own sport-specific facilities by this point.).
 
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Quoting Srbmod (Reply 27):

id rather eat my own shit than watch my team play in the US of A

talk about whoreing yourselves out!
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:26 pm



Quoting B78710 (Reply 28):

I'm sure there's some tasty recipes out there. What wine compliments nuttiness?  duck 

The EPL is the most popular Football league in the world and why not go to where the fans who may not be able to attend a game of their favorite team in their home park?

I could see complaining if they were sacrificing home dates in favor of neutral site overseas matches, but these would be additional matches added to the season. I'm sure if they schedule these matches at just the right time, they could get fans to travel with them. If you were playing for Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U, Newcastle, etc., where would you rather play matches at in January or February, at you home park or somewhere like Florida, California, or Dubai? I'm sure some fans wouldn't miss freezing their butts off either.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:47 pm

Will never happen.

Just because all clubs are exploring a proposal doesn't necessarily mean they want to do it.

It is wrong on many many levels.
 
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Quoting Srbmod (Reply 27):
I could easily imagine some games being played in the US at many of the MLS venues.

 checkmark  Get a Chelsea vs. Arsenal, Liverpool vs. Man Utd match scheduled at LA Galaxy's place and they'd be able to pack the stadium out three times over.
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Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 31):

the thought of that makes me feel physically sick!

[Edited 2008-02-07 13:00:39]
 
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Quoting Srbmod (Reply 29):
If you were playing for Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U, Newcastle, etc., where would you rather play matches at in January or February, at you home park or somewhere like Florida, California, or Dubai? I'm sure some fans wouldn't miss freezing their butts off either.

At my home ground, in front of my home fans. The December/January period is already busy enough without trekking half the way across the world to play in front of some 'fans' who are just going to complain if the game ends in a draw. Teams already play competitive matches overseas - in the Champions League or UEFA cup. That's their reward for doing well in the domestic league or cup. I doubt many players would be in favour of this just 'because the weather is better.'

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 29):
I'm sure if they schedule these matches at just the right time, they could get fans to travel with them.

If they wanted their fans to travel with them, then what's the point of going overseas at all?
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:30 pm

Who the hell cares where the players want to play? They're paid millions for kicking a ball around, if the real fans (those who attend 30 or 40 games a season) want them to play on a damn street they better play there.

Football belongs to the real fans, not some guys sitting in their armchair watching TV who just pick a team based on how beautiful they're playing.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:32 pm



Quoting Racko (Reply 35):
Football belongs to the real fans, not some guys sitting in their armchair watching TV who just pick a team based on how beautiful they're playing.

spot on!

thats how it should be!
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:33 pm



Quoting B78710 (Reply 32):
the thought of that makes me feel physically sick!

The thought of that makes me excited. Since I don't get to go to Premiership games, I would happily pay a premium price to see some of the world's best football being played locally.
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Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 36):
The thought of that makes me excited. Since I don't get to go to Premiership games, I would happily pay a premium price to see some of the world's best football being played locally.

Yes, but apparently there will be some sort of catch where the top 4 can't play each other when abroad.
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Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 36):

i assume your english? and therefore have some understanding/love for the game!

i couldn't stand to be surrounded by clueless idiots there for the "entertainment" factor!

imagine starting one of your teams songs off, to be met with blank faces!

nope, couldnt do it
 
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Quoting Gkirk (Reply 37):

we also have an apparently "random" fixture generator that seems to pick out at least one "sky super sunday" each season  Yeah sure
 
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Quoting Racko (Reply 35):
Football belongs to the real fans, not some guys sitting in their armchair watching TV who just pick a team based on how beautiful they're playing.

You've just described 98% of the foreign Man U fans.....  duck  If Man U were to finish mid-table, 2/3rds of their foreign supporters would jump ship to Arsenal or Chelsea.

My loyalty to Newcastle has never wavered, even with all of the ups and downs they've had. I didn't chose them because they were a popular team or even how "beautiful" they were playing, they just happen to be one of the teams involved in the first EPL match I ever watched on TV. I'll admit my original attraction to them was the fact that at the time, Newcastle Brown Ale was their sponsor, but I looked past that pretty quickly.

I also follow a team in the Conference, Rushden & Diamonds, who piqued my interest after giving an EPL team a bit of a challenge in the FA Cup one season. Most "armchair" fans probably don't even follow lower division football, no less name a team in them that hadn't been in the EPL at some point.
 
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Quoting Srbmod (Reply 40):
I also follow a team in the Conference, Rushden & Diamonds, who piqued my interest after giving an EPL team a bit of a challenge in the FA Cup one season. Most "armchair" fans probably don't even follow lower division football, no less name a team in them that hadn't been in the EPL at some point

they were one of the very first teams i saw play, against my local side woking!
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:17 pm



Quoting B78710 (Reply 38):
i assume your english?

Correct.

Quoting B78710 (Reply 38):
have some understanding/love for the game!

I do. I was an Oxford United season ticket holder for 4 years, went to every home and a lot of away games. I also have something of a soft spot for Liverpool and went to quite a few games at Anfield between '93 and '99, including both of the epic 4-3 victories over NUFC (the first of which has been labelled by many as the best Premier League game ever).

Quoting B78710 (Reply 38):
i couldn't stand to be surrounded by clueless idiots there for the "entertainment" factor!

I'm currently an LA Galaxy season ticket holder. Next season will be my 5th season. I've yet to meet anyone at a game who doesn't love the game on some level. Besides, if you're not on the pitch, football is entertainment.

Quoting B78710 (Reply 38):
imagine starting one of your teams songs off, to be met with blank faces!

At the Chelsea vs. Galaxy game last season, there was an entire band of Chelsea fans occupying almost the entire north goal line end. Most of these were expats who live here now, and the chanting and singing was just as good as any I'd seen or heard back in the UK. In fact, the Riot Squad (LA Galaxy's unofficial fan base who all occupy a particular section) were chanting and singing back, and the atmosphere was contagious. At one point, the entire upper tier on the east stand were singing "who's your father, referee?", something that hadn't happened before then but has happened several times since.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 40):
Rushden & Diamonds

Booo! Hssss!  biggrin 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:22 pm



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 42):
I do. I was an Oxford United season ticket holder for 4 years, went to every home and a lot of away games. I also have something of a soft spot for Liverpool and went to quite a few games at Anfield between '93 and '99, including both of the epic 4-3 victories over NUFC (the first of which has been labelled by many as the best Premier League game ever).

good old stan collymore! Big grin

2 for stan and 2 for robbie wasnt it? i'm 21 so my memories of the mid nineties are somewhat hazy!

live down south so i've only started going in the last 2 years, get to around 15-20 a season now!
 
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Quoting B78710 (Reply 43):
2 for stan and 2 for robbie wasnt it?

Yup..

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Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 44):

can still picture keegans face!
 
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Quoting B78710 (Reply 45):

can still picture keegans face!

I can still picture the blazer he was wearing that night. A deep red velvet number, like he was dressed as a bus driver.
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Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 42):
At the Chelsea vs. Galaxy game last season, there was an entire band of Chelsea fans occupying almost the entire north goal line end. Most of these were expats who live here now, and the chanting and singing was just as good as any I'd seen or heard back in the UK. In fact, the Riot Squad (LA Galaxy's unofficial fan base who all occupy a particular section) were chanting and singing back, and the atmosphere was contagious. At one point, the entire upper tier on the east stand were singing "who's your father, referee?", something that hadn't happened before then but has happened several times since.

Yes, but such games should only be held during pre-season. I don't see a point to hold official matches in a neutral country just to promote the sport. Going back to the NFL issue, even there I believe that those overseas matches should be held during pre-season, not during the regular season or the playoffs (unless that match is the Superbowl, that would probably be the only exception).
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:28 am



Quoting Racko (Reply 34):
Football belongs to the real fans, not some guys sitting in their armchair watching TV who just pick a team based on how beautiful they're playing.

It might have done up to the end of the '80s.

Quoting B78710 (Reply 35):
spot on!

But 20 years out of date.

Football no longer belongs to the fans (if it ever really did). It's now big business and big money. I'm not even convinced a fan boycott would have any real effect.
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RE: Premier League Considers Overseas Matches

Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:03 am

Interesting.......any 2 teams from the Premier League would fill Estadio Azteca in Mexico City.....that would set an attendance record for the League of over 100,000 spectators at the venue.
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