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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:09 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 37):
The part being discussed was an American flag-waving, flag saluting, lapel badge wearing culture where those that don't partake are seen in some quarters as being unpatriotic and unAmerican. We do not have that here.

My point is that you did, at one time, but that a certain World War made such displays distasteful. Like I said, understandable. We are all products of our history. I am also saying that the U.S. has not had that same experience.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 39):
If I happen to agree with Obama that there is no need for a constitutional amendment making English the official language of the country, am I really any less respectful to this country?

Yes.

In the old days, when people emmigrated from one place to another, it was unheard of not to learn the local language and try to blend into the host culture. But in the past 20-30 years or so, we have started to worship at the altar of multiculturalism, and now these same immigrants are being told not to blend in, to maintain their cultural distinctiveness, and keep their language. The result is a mess.

Making English the official language would not change what language you speak at home. It would not change the availability of Spanish language radio stations and newspapers. It simply states that official correspondence by the government (taxes, court proceedings etc.) will be in English, and if you want to live here, you need a working knowledge of English, or hire a translator if you want. If I went to live in Peru, du you think it's reasonable for me to expect them to teach my children in English, or to ensure that wherever I go that I can assume that the locals will speak English for my benefit?

Quoting N521NA (Reply 43):
Then read his book or shut your mouth and stop basing your opinions on trivial events...

Actions speak louder than words. His book is nothing but idealistic propaganda, (as are the books "written by" any politician - generally ghost-written anyway). I prefer to look at what he does and says in his own words.

And if you read my thread-opener, you will see that in no way do I say that I think Obama might approve of Che. That is beside the point. The point is that intelligent people know what Che was and what a viscious bastard he was - But 'useful idiots' are in no short supply, and many people idolize him, just as a lot of people idolize OBL, Stalin or Hillary (sorry - couldn't help myself  Wink). I wanted to know whether Obama or his campaign have gotten on the phone to that office and told them to get that $^%#ing flag down, especially when reporters come in, and that Obama's platform has nothing in common with Che's ideology. Or does he not mind?
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:19 pm



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 2):
What was his original problem, by not wearing a flag pin on his lapel?



Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 21):
Obama stood up and faced the flag. That is more than enough respect, I can't believe people make an issue of this.



Four people, who's different? And this man is running for Presidency? YUK!!
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:19 pm



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 50):
But in the past 20-30 years or so, we have started to worship at the altar of multiculturalism, and now these same immigrants are being told not to blend in, to maintain their cultural distinctiveness, and keep their language. The result is a mess.

That doesn't bother me so much as the attitude of "I'm coming to your country and yet I expect you to learn my language" (plus give me benefits, regardless of my legal status, give me this, provide me that, etc). THAT is what pisses me off. But that's probably for a different thread and has already been beaten to death many times.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:25 pm



Quoting Lobster (Reply 51):
Four people, who's different? And this man is running for Presidency?

Shows that he's a non-conformist, that's all.


BTW, my first choice is the woman in the middle, but Obama and even McCain will be satisfactory.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:39 pm



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 53):
Shows that he's a non-conformist, that's all.

No.

The man is running for the Office of the President of the United States of America. Otherwise know as the Commander-in-Chief. He wants to run our country, but can't place his hand over his heart during the National Anthem?

One would think if your interested in running a country, you might be patriotic.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:45 pm

Quoting Lobster (Reply 54):
One would think if your interested in running a country, you might be patriotic.

What's wrong? He's standing in attention. I bet you 90% do that during the national anthem.



Someone once said "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" and I'm starting to believe it.

[Edited 2008-02-12 12:46:38]
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:53 pm



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 55):
He's standing in attention

Um, no that's not. Looks like how someone would stand waiting in line for their cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 55):
I bet you 90% do that during the national anthem.

But their not running for the Presidency are they?
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:04 pm

Quoting Lobster (Reply 56):
But their not running for the Presidency are they?

It shows he's a common man and not the Imperial presidency that he's seeking.



“God must love the common man, he made so many of them.”

--Abraham Lincoln




[Edited 2008-02-12 13:15:38]
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:14 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 17):
The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.

There's the verdict, folks. This is such a non issue, it's laughable. It's just another attempt by the right to paint Sen. Obama in a bad light. Disagreeing with Sen. Obama's stances is one thing, but these petty attempts to smear him are pathetic. That's whats wrong with this country. Partisan politics are destroying any chance we have for change. Change for the better.

Dave
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:14 pm



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 50):
In the old days, when people emmigrated from one place to another, it was unheard of not to learn the local language and try to blend into the host culture.

Is that why all of you today speak the languages of the native american tribes...?  eyebrow 
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:22 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 59):
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 50):
In the old days, when people emmigrated from one place to another, it was unheard of not to learn the local language and try to blend into the host culture.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 59):

Is that why all of you today speak the languages of the native american tribes...?

 rotfl   rotfl 

 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:25 pm



Quoting Lobster (Reply 54):
The man is running for the Office of the President of the United States of America. Otherwise know as the Commander-in-Chief. He wants to run our country, but can't place his hand over his heart during the National Anthem?

Are you aware of where your particular set of priorities has brought your nation in the past seven years...?
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:20 pm



Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 60):

Really? How about all the "native" Canadians that aren't speaking Inuit or other "native" tribes languages. You live in Canada, you speak English, you have no right to post "owned".

Quoting Klaus (Reply 61):

Are you aware of where your particular set of priorities has brought your nation in the past seven years...?

Well, seeing as I didn't vote for Bush either time, apparently I'm not aware. If thats what you implying. Regardless of what party someone belongs too, they are still running for the #1 spot in the country. You'd damn well better show your utmost patriotic side.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:46 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 26):
Please tell me as a veteran why I should wear the flag lapel pin on my suit/sport jacket etc.

The same reason you wore it on your uniform.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 26):
When California was turned over to the USA by Mexico, in the treaty it clearly states that one of the official language of California will be Spanish

The key word here is "California"

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 36):
What does it have to do with Che's politics? Perhaps she's just a fellow asthmatic like Ernesto.

Ohhh, I am sorry I knew it had to be something like that. Look, it's plain to see that no matter how fancy his speeches are at the end of the day he is a far left liberal who wants something resembling socialism. Jacking up our taxes, more government and less military. Don't be blinded by your hate of GW and the GOP to not see this. Thus that flag is def not a surprise to me.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 39):
NIKV69, you are one scary dude! Do you really think every American wearing a sport jacket should be wearing a flag lapel pin?

Yea it would be nice.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 39):
If I fail to wear a pin on my lapel, do you really suggest that makes me any less respectful of this country

No.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 39):
If I happen to agree with Obama that there is no need for a constitutional amendment making English the official language of the country, am I really any less respectful to this country?

Yes. Let me ask you this if you immigrated to a foreign country would you refuse to learn the language? Would you walk around in your daily life pissed off that nobody is learning English so they can talk to you? A country has to have a universal language and by letting you or anyone to come live and prosper you should learn the language and it should be official.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 41):
Stop being so hysterical, I never said the whole country is behind him. I said much of America is and this is based on recent polls that have Obama leading McCain in a hypothetical 2 man race for president.

Maybe these were the same polls that had Kerry winning in a landslide too. The AP poll has Obama and McCain almost dead even. 2% points with a 4% point margin of error isn't a lead last I checked.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 41):
Give me a break. Because Senator Obama doesn't conform to the establishment and wear a US Flag lapel pin on his jacket, you think he is less patriotic? I don't wear one either, so that makes me unpatriotic? I don't think so. I would expect that type of rhetoric from people living in communist countries not Americans.
You've just given me one more reason to support Senator Obama. Thank you.

So asking you to wear the symbol of your country is now establishment? That's not being patriotic it's downright scary. Go ahead and support him, his views are for much more government and socialism and that is not that far from communism. Maybe he will keep Hillary's promise and start taking big business' profits like Hiullary said she would do to Exxon. I will vote the other way.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:49 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 49):

Did you mean "Confederate" Flags here or are you implying something about conservatives?

Yes, I meant confederate. I was studying for a dynamics exam, somehow the words got mixed up in my head.

Quoting Lobster (Reply 51):
Four people, who's different?

I see 4 people standing in silence to respect the anthem. Nobody is doing anything disrespectful.

Quoting Lobster (Reply 56):
Um, no that's not.

Well, it may or may not be. But last I checked, Barack Obama is not an active member of the armed forces of the United States, so standing at attention is not required.

I hope to god you don't base your voting decisions on trivial things like this...
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:55 pm



Quoting Lobster (Reply 62):
You live in Canada, you speak English, you have no right to post "owned".

Sure he can. He did not make the obviously false claim Cfalk made above! Big grin

Quoting Lobster (Reply 62):
Well, seeing as I didn't vote for Bush either time, apparently I'm not aware. If thats what you implying.

Bush came in on a wave of exactly that sentiment and has continued to milk it to the max ever since.

Quoting Lobster (Reply 62):
Regardless of what party someone belongs too, they are still running for the #1 spot in the country. You'd damn well better show your utmost patriotic side.

Patriotism and nationalism are two entirely different things. Conforming to very specific superficial rituals is definitely part of the latter, but it is certainly no relevant measure for the former. There are plenty of excellent patriots in every country even (and sometimes especially!) although they reject certain conventional forms of national worship.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:01 pm



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 15):
It's part of the job of executive management - you have to establish the rules and culture your people have to live by. This is why many of us have been saying he has no executive experience. If I were in his place, I would have established standards for my campaign offices which would include guidelines on decorations that are (not) allowed.

Do we know that he didn't? This isn't an official campaign office, and even if it were things could still slip through the cracks.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
It is still a refelction of him and his campaign.

Not much of one, considering the office in question is not an official campaign office.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
Well he obvioulsy knows now about the flag. Wonder how he handled it?

We shall see how he handles it. But it's nice to see that you've already drawn your conclusions.  Yeah sure

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
having the flag of a Marxist is one of his campaign offices

It's not one of his campaign offices.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 58):
Disagreeing with Sen. Obama's stances is one thing, but these petty attempts to smear him are pathetic. That's whats wrong with this country. Partisan politics are destroying any chance we have for change. Change for the better.

 checkmark  Couldn't have said it better.

-Mir
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:10 pm

Conformism is one of the few crystal-clear signs of authoritarianism. It's pretty telling how some of the very people who believe that "freedom and democracy" need to be brought to the world by force want this sort of thing at home.

Quoting Lobster (Reply 54):
He wants to run our country, but can't place his hand over his heart during the National Anthem?

Let me ask you something: when I attend church (and it's been a while), I never look down in humility but straight at the cross at the man who gave my religion his name. Some 95% of the other people in church do look down, so does that make me a bad Christian?  sarcastic 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 59):
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 50):
In the old days, when people emmigrated from one place to another, it was unheard of not to learn the local language and try to blend into the host culture.

Is that why all of you today speak the languages of the native american tribes...?

 checkmark  Exactly my thoughts!  rotfl 
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:14 pm

Somehow I have the feeling that if Mr. Obama is elected, some weirdo will probably shoot him.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:43 pm



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 58):
Disagreeing with Sen. Obama's stances is one thing, but these petty attempts to smear him are pathetic. That's whats wrong with this country.

It happens on both sides in case you were unaware.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 58):
There's the verdict, folks. This is such a non issue, it's laughable. It's just another attempt by the right to paint Sen. Obama in a bad light.

Much like the left does to Republican candidates?
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:48 pm



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 69):
Disagreeing with Sen. Obama's stances is one thing, but these petty attempts to smear him are pathetic. That's whats wrong with this country.

It happens on both sides in case you were unaware.

That's such a good excuse.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:01 am



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 68):

Somehow I have the feeling that if Mr. Obama is elected, some weirdo will probably shoot him.

No more likely than today. When has there been a president more passionately hated by half the population than GWB?
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:07 am



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 71):
When has there been a president more passionately hated by half the population than GWB?

Lincoln?  duck 

While I catch NoUFO's drift, I do believe that security for the US President has improved to our nearest thing to perfect since the days of John F. Kennedy.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:11 am



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 71):
No more likely than today. When has there been a president more passionately hated by half the population than GWB?

The problem is that the people who hate GWB the most are the ones who are least likely to own and worship guns. With Obama the picture would most probably be exactly the opposite.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:31 am



Quoting Lobster (Reply 62):

Really? How about all the "native" Canadians that aren't speaking Inuit or other "native" tribes languages. You live in Canada, you speak English, you have no right to post "owned".



Quoting Klaus (Reply 65):
Sure he can. He did not make the obviously false claim Cfalk made above!

Thnx for making the point Klaus!

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 68):
Somehow I have the feeling that if Mr. Obama is elected, some weirdo will probably shoot him.

I would not be surprised if that happen, some how people seem to have a real problem with a man who is setting out to make a change.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:31 am



Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 64):
I hope to god you don't base your voting decisions on trivial things like this...

Like I said above. This guy wants to be our President, but can't put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem. That right there pisses me off. But looking at your profile, it doesn't matter what I'd say anyway as you clearly have your mind made up for him.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 67):
Let me ask you something: when I attend church (and it's been a while), I never look down in humility but straight at the cross at the man who gave my religion his name. Some 95% of the other people in church do look down, so does that make me a bad Christian?

If you were in the running to be considered for the Pope (or similar), I'd hope you would. Otherwise it's apples to oranges.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:32 am



Quoting Klaus (Reply 73):
The problem is that the people who hate GWB the most are the ones who are least likely to own and worship guns.

Are you saying that's a problem?  Wink
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:35 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 63):
The same reason you wore it on your uniform.

Again you are wrong. In the early 70's members of the United States Air Force did not wear the American Flag on our uniforms, nor did we in the California Highway Patrol. Somehow we managed just fine or course we were advised to wear civilian clothing when traveling on official Air Force business, apparently a few Americans didn't appreciate the Vietnam War.
One other thing, you didn't answer the question if you served in the military?
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:41 am

I always figured that people who put their hands over their hearts during the National Anthem were confusing it with the Pledge of Allegiance.  Smile Seriously, though, as long as you are showing respect during the anthem, you're fine in my book. And that's exactly what Obama is doing. Stop being so superficial.

By the way, I wonder what the conformist types on this board thought when Jimi Hendrix performed his Woodstock rendition of the Star Spangled Banner?  mischievous 
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:42 am



Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 64):
Quoting Lobster (Reply 51):
Four people, who's different?

I see 4 people standing in silence to respect the anthem. Nobody is doing anything disrespectful.

Being honest, I don't recall the full story behind this event. But looking at this objectively, who knows if the National Anthem was even playing at the time, and maybe that's why Obama isn't placing his hand over his heart. The announcment of "Please rise for the playing of our National Anthem" could have just been given. You can't tell if the music is playing or not from the picture, and I wouldn't put it past the political spin doctors to leave something like that out but rather use it as a "Hey, one of these things is not like the other!" and run with it.
I do Color/Honor Guards with AFROTC. We wait until after the first note of the National Anthem is played before we go to "Present Arms".

I admit, all speculation on my part- just providing a possibility, even if it is wrong. I still have plenty of other reasons not to vote for Obama (or Clinton for that matter).
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:56 am



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 69):
It happens on both sides in case you were unaware.

I'm fully aware, didn't say otherwise, thanks.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 69):
Much like the left does to Republican candidates?

Sure. But what specifically are you reffering to?

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 79):
I admit, all speculation on my part- just providing a possibility, even if it is wrong. I still have plenty of other reasons not to vote for Obama (or Clinton for that matter).

I can see about Clinton, but Obama, come on my friend  tongue . Hope you are doing well buddy, and dealing with the NASCAR crowds okay.

Dave
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:05 am



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 76):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 73):
The problem is that the people who hate GWB the most are the ones who are least likely to own and worship guns.

Are you saying that's a problem?

Hm. I should have re-read the two parts of that statement more carefully after the last edit, indeed.  cool 

Non-ownership of guns is not the problem I see...
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:40 am



Quoting Lobster (Reply 75):
Like I said above. This guy wants to be our President, but can't put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem. That right there pisses me off. But looking at your profile, it doesn't matter what I'd say anyway as you clearly have your mind made up for him.

And it doesnt matter what we say as youve clearly made up your mind about him.  Yeah sure Thankfully most of America does not think the way you do and Obama has won 6 straight states at the time of this posting.  Big grin
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:50 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 63):
Yes. Let me ask you this if you immigrated to a foreign country would you refuse to learn the language? Would you walk around in your daily life pissed off that nobody is learning English so they can talk to you? A country has to have a universal language and by letting you or anyone to come live and prosper you should learn the language and it should be official.

This is a total red herring. If I emigrated to a foreign country, I would not refuse to learn the language. And despite the hysterical rantings of the radical right, most immigrants manage to learn English with varying degrees of success. Older immigrants and those with poor education tend to struggle the hardest. But, overwhelming evidence shows that younger immigrants and those with better educations have a working knowledge of English within 5 years, and their children not only grow up fluent in English, but often reject learning or using their parent's language.

Despite the mountain of evidence in numerous studies (University of Chicago is one of them), conservatives can't seem to resist whipping up this unfounded hysteria that the country is somehow going to start speaking something other than English. Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourself for continuing to propogate this rubbish.

[Edited 2008-02-12 17:53:30]
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:51 am



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 80):
Sure. But what specifically are you reffering to?

Gee, let's run em down:
He's a Morman=Mitt Romney
He had a floating cross behind him, (a subliminal message)=Mike Huckabee's Christmas campaign commercial
He's too old=McCain
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:55 am

Well, Charles, looks like the people in the Great Commonwealth of Virginia really didn't give a damn about your "story", as Obama took former bastion of the Confederacy.  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:02 am



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 84):
Gee, let's run em down:
He's a Morman=Mitt Romney
He had a floating cross behind him, (a subliminal message)=Mike Huckabee's Christmas campaign commercial
He's too old=McCain

But this is Republican on Republican propaganda; same as being done on the other side.

Looks like during the past week the flag waving of John McCain isn't really helping him with his fellow Republicans. Narrow wins, crushing defeats might still be awhile until he clinches.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:06 am



Quoting PA110 (Reply 83):
Despite the mountain of evidence in numerous studies (University of Chicago is one of them), conservatives can't seem to resist whipping up this unfounded hysteria that the country is somehow going to start speaking something other than English.

New data released by the U.S. Census Department show that the number of Americans who do not speak English has soared in the past ten years.
Eighteen percent of Americans do not speak English in their own homes. By their own acknowledgement, over 17 million of these Americans do not speak English very well. Nearly seven million speak little or no English.
These statistics come from the U.S. Census 2000 Supplementary Survey of U.S. households. The data include only persons age five and older, and living in households. (This excludes such housing as universities, prisons and military bases.)
The data show that the portion of Americans who speak poorly or not at all grew nearly sixty percent since 1990. Several states saw their English-deficient population triple, including Colorado, Georgia, Iowa, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Utah. Missouri’s grew nearly five fold.

http://www.proenglish.org/issues/offeng/census.html

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 85):
Well, Charles, looks like the people in the Great Commonwealth of Virginia really didn't give a damn about your "story", as Obama took former bastion of the Confederacy.

 Confused  Confused  Confused

What does that have to do with anything?
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:15 am



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 87):
What does that have to do with anything?

It means thank god not many people think like you.  Smile
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:24 am



Quoting N521NA (Reply 88):
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 87):
What does that have to do with anything?

It means thank god not many people think like you.

LOL, remember, they are only counting democrats, dude.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:31 am



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 89):
LOL, remember, they are only counting democrats, dude.

What's your point? Oh, he just won Maryland.  Wink
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:04 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 87):
New data released by the U.S. Census Department show that the number of Americans who do not speak English has soared in the past ten years.

But it offers no correlation between new arrivals and successive generations of immigrants. A surge in new arrivals could easily explain these figures. However there is no evidence that younger immigrants and the subsequent generation don't quickly adapt.

Anyway, this is really drifting off topic. This thread is about a flag put up by a volunteer in an office that was not part of Obama's official campaign and not in any way under the direction of himself or his official campaign staff. Once again, the right wing crazies grasping at straws, trying anything at all to discredit him.

Pathetic, really.

[Edited 2008-02-12 19:06:04]
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:15 am

Apparently voters in DC, VA, and MD aren't too concerned with flags hanging in an un-official campaign office, or Obama's chosen method of respect during the national anthem.

Meanwhile, Hillary hasn't even acknowledged Obama's 7 wins this week. Classy as always.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:36 am



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 80):
Hope you are doing well buddy, and dealing with the NASCAR crowds okay.

Thanks. Same wishes to you.  Smile
I won't have to deal with the worst of the NASCAR crowds this weekend. Yay AA Net-SAAver fares that by chance offered JAX-RDU for this coming weekend and are allowing me to go home.  biggrin  I'm a little bummed I'll miss the Thunderbird flyover, but I'll live.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 80):
I can see about Clinton, but Obama, come on my friend

Hehe. If I had to pick one of the Dems, I'd go with Obama. Pulling for McCain though.
One thing that will come out of this race- we will be electing a Senator to the White House. Something we haven't done in a long time.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:26 am



Quoting YOWza (Reply 13):

What do you mean a non-event dude? Do you have a clue?

I don't mean to sound offensive but considering this was in Houston they were probably mexicans who might see Che as a hero (no offense to the knowledgeable Mexicans here who know better).


For those who've only seen Che in Will-I-Am's videos (from the Black Eyed Peas) and Rage Against the Machine's T-shirts and on surfboards... this guy is held responsible for thousands of deaths including around 100 cold-blooded killings where he showed no mercy towards those captured and shot them dead if they didn't beg for forgiveness or kissed his feet.

A physics taecher friend of my dad's and mine (who passed away RIP) and studied in the Soviet Union and all, former communist, was telling me about him hanging out with Che Guevara and what a despot Che was. Guevara was used by Castro as a guerrilla agent to spread communism.


Don't insult my flag by having that murderer in there. It's possible Obama might not have known what was going on in that office but wow I expected better from Obama representatives.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:36 am



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 94):
Don't insult my flag by having that murderer in there.

And don't insult my flag by silencing freedom of speech/expression. Methinks that Obama had no idea that the flag was there, even if it is in bad taste. Why do conservatives worship the Constitution until it is invoked in ways they disagree with?
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:51 am



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 94):
Don't insult my flag by having that murderer in there. It's possible Obama might not have known what was going on in that office but wow I expected better from Obama representatives.

As has been said OVER and OVER and OVER again it's not even his official campaign office. Is Obama supposed to monitor his millions of supporters and watch their every move to make sure they are politically correct? It's a non event PERIOD. As CastleIsland said, the great thing about our country is freedom of speech and expression, even if it is showing support for Che. The minute we stray from that right is the minute I leave the country.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:08 am

The question you need to ask yourselves is what does an Obama campaign worker so admire in Che Guevara a Marxist revolutionary pig that they put a Cuban flag up with his picture superimposed on it. And what does that same worker see in Obama.......and like?

That's scarry if they see paralels in them both.

Poor choice of a decoration and no doubt has been removed at this point. LOL at the idiot who pinned it to the wall. What the hell was he or she thinking. (They were not).
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:28 am



Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 97):
The question you need to ask yourselves is what does an Obama campaign worker so admire in Che Guevara a Marxist revolutionary pig that they put a Cuban flag up with his picture superimposed on it. And what does that same worker see in Obama.......and like?

That's scarry if they see paralels in them both.

LOL now that is some great spin, well done  thumbsup .

Dave
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:30 am



Quoting YOWza (Reply 42):
I had a really good Russian friend who was continually given a hard time at school for not wearing a patriotic pin that all kids at his school were supposed to wear. It looks as if that's what NIK wants the US to heads towards.

I had the same problem in grade school, I did not say the pledge of allegience nor anything that conformed to one nation under god. If I did this and then I was in Poland and did the same I would be lying somewhere. As a dual citizen I see no option but to respect both sides, but certainly not declare one side more worthy of the other.

BTW, I also think this is not such a big deal..I often do not place my hand over my heart on the anthem and stand like O'Bama...however touchy this may be theres one thing that pisses me off that is more unpatriotic.

War veterans driving around in Honda Accords or Mitsubishi Galants with POW/Vietnam Vet or WW2 stickers...for the latter...what the hell, first they make planes that try and kill you and kill thousands of your own soldiers then you go out and buy their car. I mean if it was me, just out of the respect I wouldnt do it even if it is decades later. Whatever thats my opinion on that subject and leave it at that.

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