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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:36 am



Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 97):
The question you need to ask yourselves is what does an Obama campaign worker so admire in Che Guevara a Marxist revolutionary pig that they put a Cuban flag up with his picture superimposed on it. And what does that same worker see in Obama.......and like?

Let's have a little perspective on Che's picture/poster. From wikipedia:

"Despite the controversies, Guevara's status as a popular icon has continued throughout the world, leading commentators to speak of a global "cult of Che". A photograph of Guevara taken by photographer Alberto Korda has become one of the century's most ubiquitous images, and the portrait, transformed into a monochrome graphic, is reproduced endlessly on a vast array of merchandise, such as T-shirts, posters, cigarettes, coffee mugs, and baseball caps largely for profit. This fact led Argentine business analyst Martin Krauze to postulate that: “The admiration for El Che no longer extends to his politics and ideology. It’s a romantic idea of one man going to battle against the windmills, he’s a Quixote.” While British journalist Sean O’Hagan has described Che as “more Lennon than Lenin”.












 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:44 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 97):
The question you need to ask yourselves is what does an Obama campaign worker so admire in Che Guevara a Marxist revolutionary pig that they put a Cuban flag up with his picture superimposed on it. And what does that same worker see in Obama.......and like?

That's scarry if they see paralels in them both.

Poor choice of a decoration and no doubt has been removed at this point. LOL at the idiot who pinned it to the wall. What the hell was he or she thinking. (They were not).

Well Clipper, it's all about words. To liberals, it doesn't matter what the person has done, it only matters what they say. If it sounds inspirational, that's good enough for them. Never mind the butchery of Che Guevara, becuase he said poignent things. Bringing up the bad things is called spin apparently. Now i'm not equating Guevara(although Falcon or someone else will most likley accuse me of such)with Obama, but to Obama supporters, like idolizers of these thugs, it's not what Barack Obama has done that everyone is bouncing off the walls over, it's what he's said. That's all.

Like I said, i'm not going to blame Senator Obama for one person but a picture is worth a thousand words, and if this isn't taken advantage upon by his opponents, than they're just letting Obama win.

[Edited 2008-02-12 22:50:05]
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:55 am



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 101):
To liberals, it doesn't matter what the person has done, it only matters what they say. If it sounds inspirational, that's good enough for them.

Where is this art store you're going to? Because you're painting with an awfully broad brush.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 101):
Now i'm not equating Guevara(although Falcon or someone else will most likley accuse me of such)with Obama, but to Obama supporter, it's not what Barack Obama has done that everyone is bouncing off the walls over, it's what he's said. That's all.

And, Jetjack, how do you know that exactly? Maybe, just maybe, unlike yourself, people have studied Sen. Obama's issues, and they agree with them. Maybe he gives people hope for change that they can bring to this country.

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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:57 am



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 68):

Somehow I have the feeling that if Mr. Obama is elected, some weirdo will probably shoot him.

 crazy  I can't even respond to this one.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 72):
Lincoln?

Was going to say the same thing.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 73):
The problem is that the people who hate GWB the most are the ones who are least likely to own and worship guns.

Oh please. Now the gun argument? Let me guess they probably drive around in the General Lee too? Just because you like GW doesn't mean your a gun toting person.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 83):
Despite the mountain of evidence in numerous studies (University of Chicago is one of them), conservatives can't seem to resist whipping up this unfounded hysteria that the country is somehow going to start speaking something other than English. Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourself for continuing to propogate this rubbish.

They are not saying the whole country is going to start speaking something other than English, they just want all people to learn to speak it and to use it universally in this country. Which I think is more than fair.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 92):
Meanwhile, Hillary hasn't even acknowledged Obama's 7 wins this week. Classy as always.

I don't think it was a big surprise he won, but now he is facing TX and superdelegates. Which will be a tad harder than the Potomac region.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 94):
For those who've only seen Che in Will-I-Am's videos (from the Black Eyed Peas) and Rage Against the Machine's T-shirts and on surfboards... this guy is held responsible for thousands of deaths including around 100 cold-blooded killings where he showed no mercy towards those captured and shot them dead if they didn't beg for forgiveness or kissed his feet.

A physics taecher friend of my dad's and mine (who passed away RIP) and studied in the Soviet Union and all, former communist, was telling me about him hanging out with Che Guevara and what a despot Che was. Guevara was used by Castro as a guerrilla agent to spread communism.


Don't insult my flag by having that murderer in there. It's possible Obama might not have known what was going on in that office but wow I expected better from Obama representatives.

Why? Don't you realize that both Democratic candidates want Socialism? Obama may not have known about the Che flag in his "unofficial" campaign office but the fact remains that he is for more government, more taxes and socialism. Both him and Hillary scare me, especially when told of Exxons record profits Hillary was quoted as saying "I will take them" I mean can it get any worse? I think it is a stretch to tie Obama to one of Castro's hatchet men like Che but if you take a good look Obama shares some of his policital views and that is why I will vote against him.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 97):
The question you need to ask yourselves is what does an Obama campaign worker so admire in Che Guevara a Marxist revolutionary pig that they put a Cuban flag up with his picture superimposed on it. And what does that same worker see in Obama.......and like?

That's scarry if they see paralels in them both.

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Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 98):
now that is some great spin, well done

Why is it spin? Ok say Obama doesn't even know about the flag, why did the "unofficial" staffer hang it? Why is it hung in an "unofficial" campaign office and not just the persons home? Answer me that without the "spin"
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:59 am



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 102):
Where is this art store you're going to? Because you're painting with an awfully broad brush.

On a neutral level, its hard to believe that someone could possibly go into South Chicago deal with social issues and the people that live there and come out crystal clean. Its like saying Blagojevich loves interstates which are toll-free.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:13 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 103):
Why is it spin? Ok say Obama doesn't even know about the flag, why did the "unofficial" staffer hang it? Why is it hung in an "unofficial" campaign office and not just the persons home? Answer me that without the "spin"

I don't know Nick, why don't you go to IAH and ask them? So say if a group of KKK members held a Bush rally, would that mean that they liked President Bush because they thought he hates Blacks, Jews, and a whole bunch of others?

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 104):
On a neutral level, its hard to believe that someone could possibly go into South Chicago deal with social issues and the people that live there and come out crystal clean. Its like saying Blagojevich loves interstates which are toll-free.

And that's a very good point. It may be hard to believe, but it's not impossible. I'm sure Sen. Obama has some skeletons in his closet, and the right will bring them out I'm sure. But this non-issue is reaching, at best. If there is an actual issue to be had with Sen. Obama like disagreeing about his politics that's one thing; but this is another.

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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:51 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
Refusing to wear the lapel pin

I am certainly not qualified to assess whether or not wearing a lapel pin makes you a good/bad American, but being emotionally uninvolved in this issue I though it would be a good idea to put things into historical perspective. These guys:







have been wearing lapel pins decades before you started (post-Sept.11 I assume) so maybe Mr. Obama only thinks it's not original and totally uncool.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
which I feel we all should when we wear a sports jacket at fucntions

Like ALL North Koreans have to?
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:57 am



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 105):
And that's a very good point. It may be hard to believe, but it's not impossible. I'm sure Sen. Obama has some skeletons in his closet, and the right will bring them out I'm sure. But this non-issue is reaching, at best. If there is an actual issue to be had with Sen. Obama like disagreeing about his politics that's one thing; but this is another.

Hed be the 1st ive ever heard of if that is the case. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he is not. Although, this http://www.kerbeck.com/kerbeck/kerbe...B85256EF90020D7A1/$FILE/letter.jpg
with Rezko House Deal stinks to high heaven crap to someone who lives in Chicago. That stinks corruption and knee deep shit worse than a septic tank.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:12 am



Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 95):
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 94):
Don't insult my flag by having that murderer in there.

And don't insult my flag by silencing freedom of speech/expression. Methinks that Obama had no idea that the flag was there, even if it is in bad taste. Why do conservatives worship the Constitution until it is invoked in ways they disagree with?



Quoting N521NA (Reply 96):

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 94):
Don't insult my flag by having that murderer in there. It's possible Obama might not have known what was going on in that office but wow I expected better from Obama representatives.
blah let me stir the pot a little bit

As has been said OVER and OVER and OVER again it's not even his official campaign office. Is Obama supposed to monitor his millions of supporters and watch their every move to make sure they are politically correct? It's a non event PERIOD. As CastleIsland said, the great thing about our country is freedom of speech and expression, even if it is showing support for Che. The minute we stray from that right is the minute I leave the country.

...just in case, I'm an American citizen, not that you two should care and yes most likely Obama had no idea, that's almost obvious.

However it's valid to question (out of curiosity at least) why someone REPRESENTING the next president has a foreign flag with a murderer & symbol of communism, which represents opression and wipes its rear end with the "freedom of speech and expression" you two seem so concerned about. I didn't say they have to take the flag down, but it's a pretty unbelievable sight (and for some disturbing). Something one could expect to see in Hugo Chavez's office maybe

I'd feel like some kind of ignorant if I went to vote for Obama and saw that. I'd turn right around and vote for someone else! -Wait look how revolutionary we are, vote for change Vote for Che!

You know, freedom of speech rules. I love it. Might as well stick a photo of Saddam Hussein to an American flag and bring it to one of those a.net spotting meets just for Castleisland and N521NA If you tell me I'm unpatriotc or just look at me weird I'll tell you both to move somewhere else... maybe even give you the firnger too, why not. I expect you both to be very understanding too and even nice with my freedom of expression.


The only thing wrong with the good 'ol US is lack of common sense as evidenced by some who believe one should probably wear and salute a flag to be patriotic and all of that. Pictures and numbers can be manipulated, although look at where Obama's hands are.. LOL Still doesn't make me think he's less of a "patriot" than Hillary.

Extremists on both sides of the political spectrum are no good. Both McCain and Obama are pretty good choices if they don't try to please the extremists on both camps


Also I have to question Cfalk's (whose pictures I admire on a.net) patriotic view that English should be the official language. Kind of has a egocentric, selfish ring to it and not typical of someone who just said lived half of his life in Europe, where speaking two or three languages is common. Most immigrants learn some English anyways. How hard is it to learn a few basic Spanish words? Is it patriotism or laziness? Making English the official language sets up many for discrimination by extremists who can't wait for a reason to give people a hard time. Freedom of expression my butt.


Furthermore cementing my observation that this country probably has the worst common sense among the civilized world, we see a guy like Tom Tancredo, hoping to be president so he comes out saying we need to make English the official language otherwise "do we want the US to become another Miami"? bahahaha... Even if tommy really thinks it was clever thing to say, hes' counting himself out of millions and millions of votes automatically. He certainly kissed the florida vote goodbye with that gem alone. Then an obvious liar like Romney at times was leading the GOP poll. Where are the "conservatives" with their moral values? You're voting for a flip-flopping liar.


Lastly (if you're still awake) I'll tell you the story of my grandma, who at around 80yrs of age went to get her citizenship. Just because she doesn't understand English well... when asked to raise her hand to swear allegiance and my grandma didn't raise it (lol) -because she didn't understand- the redneck lady threw a fit and grandma didn't get the citizenship. She's now 91 and still has better mental awareness than the average 70 year old and knows 10x more history and civility than the hillbilly citizenship lady even knows exists. A typically ignorant 'patriotic' type with no common sense couldn't give grandma a break.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 103):
Why? Don't you realize that both Democratic candidates want Socialism? Obama may not have known about the Che flag in his "unofficial" campaign office but the fact remains that he is for more government, more taxes and socialism. Both him and Hillary scare me, especially when told of Exxons record profits Hillary was quoted as saying "I will take them" I mean can it get any worse? I think it is a stretch to tie Obama to one of Castro's hatchet men like Che but if you take a good look Obama shares some of his policital views and that is why I will vote against him.

PS: What's up NIKV69, maybe I'm confused but I thought you were one of the biggest liberals on a.net. I'd see you voting for Hilarry lol. For some reason Senga told me about you before and mentioned that you guys used to go spotting in NY


I wonder if wearing that MickeyChe around South Beach would get a few laughs. Wouldn't be surprised to see some hippy from Argentina come up and tell me Im disrespecting Che
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:21 am



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 102):
And, Jetjack, how do you know that exactly? Maybe, just maybe, unlike yourself, people have studied Sen. Obama's issues, and they agree with them. Maybe he gives people hope for change that they can bring to this country.

That's wonderful. I'm glad he gives hopes and dreams. But when the primaries are over and it's time for real campaigning to begin, he's going to to have lay out his plan in detail about his hopes and dreams, without the meager fluff that he has on his website. The great speeches will only go so far. Last night on Wolf Blitzer/Late Edition, Tim Russert was a guest, and that was the first thing he touched on. He said, eventhough Obama's campaign is gaining strength over Hillary, he said that Obama has yet to talk in detail about his platform. So far, they only person who has, is Hillary. She's come out a few times and gave us some insight about how she plans get her universal healthcare programme, foreclosure moratoriums and other social programmes she has on deck. Obama hasn't. He's gaining strength becuase he's being quiet about his platform.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:17 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 103):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 73):
The problem is that the people who hate GWB the most are the ones who are least likely to own and worship guns.

Oh please. Now the gun argument? Let me guess they probably drive around in the General Lee too? Just because you like GW doesn't mean your a gun toting person.

Am I the only one to expect a significant correlation between GWB support and gun ownership?
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:19 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 110):
Am I the only one to expect a significant correlation between GWB support and gun ownership?

Possible, but not at all certain. I suggest you find some data to support the thesis.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:21 pm



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 30):
Personally, I think we Americans lay it on a bit thick, while Europeans don't lay it on thick enough. the proper balance is somewhere in between.

Good statement.

Quoting Lobster (Reply 54):
Quoting Confuscius (Reply 53):
Shows that he's a non-conformist, that's all.


No.

The man is running for the Office of the President of the United States of America. Otherwise know as the Commander-in-Chief. He wants to run our country, but can't place his hand over his heart during the National Anthem?

One would think if your interested in running a country, you might be patriotic.

Who says he is not patriotic ? At least he cares enough for his country to get involved in politics and run for president. Whether or not he paces his hand over his heart during the National Anthem is really the last issue you should care about.
I´d rather have him than just a phoney who puts his hand on the hand during the National Anthem to get your vote but in real life does not care for anything but himself,
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:29 pm



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 111):
Possible, but not at all certain. I suggest you find some data to support the thesis.

I dont have any real stake in the matter to justify extra research - but someone else might have the data at hand.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:07 pm

Cfalk:
This thread title should read; "Cfalk's Problem With Obama".

Please spare us the drama as this is really a non-issue.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:12 pm



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 108):
However it's valid to question (out of curiosity at least) why someone REPRESENTING the next president has a foreign flag with a murderer & symbol of communism

It would be, but these are NOT people representing Obama. They are people SUPPORTING Obama, and there's a huge difference between the two. It's valid to question why they'd have the flag up, but it's not valid to connect that to the official Obama campaign in any way. Some Obama supporters may be Che fans. That does not imply that Obama is a Che fan, or that his policies are similar to those of Che. If it did, then you could make the claim that GWB supports the KKK because some of his supporters support the KKK. Of course that's not the case.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 108):
I'd feel like some kind of ignorant if I went to vote for Obama and saw that. I'd turn right around and vote for someone else!

I'd feel like some kind of ignorant if I let this issue keep me from voting for Obama if I felt he was the best for the country. It really is a non-issue, but unfortunately has been blown way out of proportion as with many other non-issues in this campaign.

-Mir
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:52 pm



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 108):
However it's valid to question (out of curiosity at least) why someone REPRESENTING the next president has a foreign flag with a murderer & symbol of communism, which represents opression and wipes its rear end with the "freedom of speech and expression" you two seem so concerned about. I didn't say they have to take the flag down, but it's a pretty unbelievable sight (and for some disturbing). Something one could expect to see in Hugo Chavez's office maybe

WOW. Obviously you have not read anything in this thread. This person was NOT an Obama representative. PERIOD. NON ISSUE.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 108):
You know, freedom of speech rules. I love it. Might as well stick a photo of Saddam Hussein to an American flag and bring it to one of those a.net spotting meets just for Castleisland and N521NA If you tell me I'm unpatriotc or just look at me weird I'll tell you both to move somewhere else... maybe even give you the firnger too, why not. I expect you both to be very understanding too and even nice with my freedom of expression.

Nowhere did I say I supported these tyrants, but if someone else does then so be it. It's not my problem. They aren't hurting anyone by doing it. Hell, the confederacy flag, which represents slavery and oppression, is still flown in many states, but I don't see you making a fit about it.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:35 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 103):
both Democratic candidates want Socialism

Sounds like you're trying to scare people there. They both want the whole Socialism package? I could understand if you said that both their policies had elements in line with some socialist ideas, but do they really "want Socialism"? That's a little strong, considering that if what they are offering is socialism, you should have broken off diplomatic ties with the UK years ago - this country is more socialist than Obama or Hillary!
People have been using it as a scare word - some kind of adversarial justification that they hope will stir up people's memories of the great struggle against socialism in the Cold War, and turn Obama/Hillary into representatives of some imagined evil empire. It seems that it's becoming less effective, however, maybe because many people are associating such shock tactics with the less popular parts of the "war on terror", or maybe because people are so desperate for change - across the board - that something 'different' doesn't seem quite as scary a prospect as the status quo.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:36 pm

 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:59 pm

--Tangent--

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 94):

What do you mean a non-event dude? Do you have a clue?

By non-event I mean it was a non-event. Yes I have a clue. Not everyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you is clueless champ.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 94):
For those who've only seen Che in Will-I-Am's videos (from the Black Eyed Peas) and Rage Against the Machine's T-shirts and on surfboards... this guy is held responsible for thousands of deaths including around 100 cold-blooded killings where he showed no mercy towards those captured and shot them dead if they didn't beg for forgiveness or kissed his feet.

That may or may not be true, the bottom line is "regime change" or revolution is rarely bloodless. For the record the US backed DICTATOR he helped topple was not exactly a sweetheart either.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 94):
A physics taecher friend of my dad's and mine (who passed away RIP) and studied in the Soviet Union and all, former communist, was telling me about him hanging out with Che Guevara and what a despot Che was. Guevara was used by Castro as a guerrilla agent to spread communism.

You are clearly receiving biased information. Are you going to say Castro was the driving force behind Che's activities elsewhere? Bolivia for example.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 94):
Don't insult my flag by having that murderer in there. It's possible Obama might not have known what was going on in that office but wow I expected better from Obama representatives.

As a rule of thumb I am totally am totally against ever superimposing icons and imagery atop national flags. I think it's disrespectful.

--Tangent--

Back to the issue at hand Obama can't be held responsible for some dimwit in his staff hanging a flags.

YOWza
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:22 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 97):
Che Guevara a Marxist revolutionary pig

What is it about Revolution that is piggish?

What is it about the writing of Karl Marx and Fredrich Engels that is piggish?

It is the misanthropic actions of Stalin and Lenin that lead Conservatives into thinking (blanket, non-thinking would be more accurate) that Marx is a pig. Marx merely described what he believed to be social trends, and where society would end up over time. That Stalin and Lenin perverted it into repressed Communism has little to nothing to do with Marx' philosophy. Marx was a writer more than a politician or leader. From what I've read, Marx never esposed any violent actions as carried out by Guevara.

Then again, you, as a Conservative aren't concerned with facts, are you?*

* Yeah, just what you say about us...

[Edited 2008-02-13 18:37:09]
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:36 am



Quoting N521NA (Reply 116):


Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 108):
However it's valid to question (out of curiosity at least) why someone REPRESENTING the next president has a foreign flag with a murderer & symbol of communism, which represents opression and wipes its rear end with the "freedom of speech and expression" you two seem so concerned about. I didn't say they have to take the flag down, but it's a pretty unbelievable sight (and for some disturbing). Something one could expect to see in Hugo Chavez's office maybe


WOW. Obviously you have not read anything in this thread. This person was NOT an Obama representative. PERIOD. NON ISSUE.

Smells like Clinton spirit to me. No reputable news sources have picked this story.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:40 am



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 87):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 85):
Well, Charles, looks like the people in the Great Commonwealth of Virginia really didn't give a damn about your "story", as Obama took former bastion of the Confederacy.

What does that have to do with anything?

EVERYTHING, and you know it, Charles! You would love to somehow make this a campaign issue-typical of the Republicans-making something that means nothing into an issue (remember Clinton's trip to Moscow as a student?), and the voters, if they've heard this, clearly don't think it matters. In fact, it DOESN'T matter, except in the minds of some conservatives, who see a Democratic victory as more and more likely this fall.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 101):
To liberals

Yes, those to the left of JetJack aren't people, we're :"liberals". Like some form of sub-species, right Jack? You sound just like Limbaugh.  rotfl 

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 103):
Don't you realize that both Democratic candidates want Socialism?

Don't you realize how freaking stupid you sound saying something like that? But you're so far to the left, NIK, you can't tell what Socialism really is, and it isn't part of anyone running for President. Are Obama and Clinton (and probably McCain as well) more liberal than you? Yes. It doesn't mean any one of them want Socialism, especially on the lines you interpret socialism as being.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:51 am



Quoting N521NA (Reply 116):

You're taking what I wrote literally, sorry you have so much trouble getting the point. While not official representatives these people are directly or indirectly involved in the campaign getting the citizens to vote for him, aren't they? What I wrote still stands, some ppl have little common sense, you included.

By saying it's a non issue that reeks of ignorance but glad it isn't an issue for you sir, oh wait just checked your profile and ur still a teen, rofl That explains your screaming in caps...


Anyways, just like what Jaime Bayly a TV commentator was saying that's just ignorance. Although before voting for Obama he'd start asking questions what the hell that's doing there LOL As for me, again I can see ppl going inside the office to vote and coming right out but hey, that's just what I think

Quoting Mir (Reply 115):
I'd feel like some kind of ignorant if I let this issue keep me from voting for Obama if I felt he was the best for the country. It really is a non-issue, but unfortunately has been blown way out of proportion as with many other non-issues in this campaign.

That's the point. You would know better that Obama can't admire a murderer like Che, but the less informed citizen might question what's that all about

To most anglos this is probably not a big deal, heck a good buddy of mine had no idea who Che was and to him Fidel was someone to look up to. I understand Guevara's legacy perhaps doesn't affect Americans (directly) anymore and definitely not a scandal for many but to Latin Americans it's very interesting, even if Che's image is only in Lola's office down in Frijoles street and she's a nobody.


So the image of a murderer communist whose hate for the US was his driving force is the focus of decoration @ a newly opened Obama campaign office or whatever but oh yeah, who cares! sorry for commenting here on what is a total "non issue" for you all

 wave 

Quoting YOWza (Reply 119):
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 94):

What do you mean a non-event dude? Do you have a clue?

By non-event I mean it was a non-event. Yes I have a clue. Not everyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you is clueless champ.

Don't be offended by that, sorry

Quoting YOWza (Reply 119):
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 94):
A physics taecher friend of my dad's and mine (who passed away RIP) and studied in the Soviet Union and all, former communist, was telling me about him hanging out with Che Guevara and what a despot Che was. Guevara was used by Castro as a guerrilla agent to spread communism.

You are clearly receiving biased information. Are you going to say Castro was the driving force behind Che's activities elsewhere? Bolivia for example.

No, I'm not going to say anything since "I have received biased information". Since you don't know try googling it  Smile
 
n521na
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:17 am



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 123):
You're taking what I wrote literally, sorry you have so much trouble getting the point. While not official representatives these people are directly or indirectly involved in the campaign getting the citizens to vote for him, aren't they? What I wrote still stands, some ppl have little common sense, you included.

By saying it's a non issue that reeks of ignorance but glad it isn't an issue for you sir, oh wait just checked your profile and ur still a teen, rofl That explains your screaming in caps...


Anyways, just like what Jaime Bayly a TV commentator was saying that's just ignorance. Although before voting for Obama he'd start asking questions what the hell that's doing there LOL As for me, again I can see ppl going inside the office to vote and coming right out but hey, that's just what I think

If you make your decision to not vote for someone just because one of his supporters, that he has no control of,has a flag of a dictator up in an unofficial office, then you are very closed minded and theres no point debating with you.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:06 am



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 108):
PS: What's up NIKV69, maybe I'm confused but I thought you were one of the biggest liberals on a.net. I'd see you voting for Hilarry lol. For some reason Senga told me about you before and mentioned that you guys used to go spotting in NY

You ever try shooting with Senga? I would have better luck finding Atlantis than him! I have shot with him and hope to do it more. As for me being liberal that is open for debate.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 122):
Don't you realize how freaking stupid you sound saying something like that? But you're so far to the left, NIK, you can't tell what Socialism really is, and it isn't part of anyone running for President. Are Obama and Clinton (and probably McCain as well) more liberal than you? Yes. It doesn't mean any one of them want Socialism, especially on the lines you interpret socialism as being

Well after reading this..

Socialism - general term for the political and economic theory that advocates a system of collective or government ownership and management of the means of production and distribution of goods. Because of the collective nature of socialism, it is to be contrasted to the doctrine of the sanctity of private property that characterizes capitalism.

The take into account Hillary and Obama's words about attacking big business and CEOs and I think it's plain to see what they want for this country.
 
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:53 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 125):
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 108):
PS: What's up NIKV69, maybe I'm confused but I thought you were one of the biggest liberals on a.net. I'd see you voting for Hilarry lol. For some reason Senga told me about you before and mentioned that you guys used to go spotting in NY

You ever try shooting with Senga? I would have better luck finding Atlantis than him! I have shot with him and hope to do it more. As for me being liberal that is open for debate.

LOL why? Yes a few years ago when I was in JFK, unfortunately weather sucked that day. That stop-shoot-and go spot near 13L is  bigthumbsup 


About the Obama thing, i just saw a clip where the lady running this office says she's Cuban-American  Wow!  Confused When asked what that's all about she says shes got an appointment and that this is all nonsense and not worth wasting her time and she leaves the interview.... weird

Either this lady is a total idiot, or is someone that Chavez-Castro have somehow contracted and payed to make communist propaganda here while having ppl vote for Obama. In Venezuela, Chavez and his supporters want Obama to win for some reason. I guess they think he's going sympathize with Chavez and his revolution (good luck with that)

I don't think Obama would be that foolish
 
alfa75
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RE: Obama And Another Flag Problem

Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:18 am

Mr Patriotism himself doesn't respect the flag.

See for yourself.



"September 11, 2006, President Bush and first lady Laura Bush stand on a carpet of the American flag at Ground Zero in Manhattan, the site of the September 11, 2001 attack. Section 8b of the Flag Code reads, " The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground..." Photo credit: Reuters/Jason Reed"


So guess what, who really cares if someone salutes the flag or not?

To those of you who take issue with it, I have only one question.

Where was your flag on 9-10-2001?

Oh yeah, did anyone else notice it was a FOX affiliate.

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