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Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:42 pm

After reading through another rather dubious thread - regarding a certain someone's birthday - some of the posts got me thinking.

I would never expect perfect grammar or spelling from anyone; however, it increasingly seems that it just doesn't manifest itself at all. While I understand the internet doesn't necessarily always require full and correct sentences, it seems that this now appears to apply to all things. It would seem that in some cases people just simply don't bother with it, or in others, have no idea how to use it - to me, the latter can be annoying sometimes.

Am I being set in rather old fashioned ways and should accept that there isn't really a difference between is it not... isn't it... or innit... or do others feel that correct spelling and grammar could become quite a specialist skill in the future?

I would never expect foreigners to grasp English grammar perfectly all the time; I understand that it's not the easiest thing to do, but is there any excuse for a native speaker to not be able to differentiate between its and it's, for example. Perhaps I'm just pedantic...

Or does it simply not have a place anymore?

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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:50 pm



Quoting Gofly (Thread starter):
Perhaps I'm just pedantic...

I don't think you're being pedantic. I personally try to use proper grammar all the time. Whether it be on these boards, or instant messaging or even text messaging. I'd prefer if people made an attempt at proper grammar and spelling, but the things that bother me the most are: LOL, IMHO, 2Day, gr8 for example.
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:59 pm



Quoting Gofly (Thread starter):

yes your just pedantic. grammar and speling is overated and punctuation too lol thanks for sharing. Big grin

Just kidding. Seriously, I never understood why communication on the internet would be different from that of the "real life". Okay, I can live with someone not using caps in chats, and I would even use IMHO, IIRC or AFAIK occasionally.

But I still appreciate if postings are structured and easy to read. So maybe you are pedantic, but then you would be not alone.  Smile
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:59 pm



Quoting Gofly (Thread starter):
I would never expect foreigners to grasp English grammar perfectly all the time; I understand that it's not the easiest thing to do, but is there any excuse for a native speaker to not be able to differentiate between its and it's, for example.

I often have trouble with its and it's, but at least I stop to think about it before doing it.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 1):
but the things that bother me the most are: LOL, IMHO, 2Day, gr8

Those I can tolerate, at least on message boards. What I can't stand is this word: aircrafts.
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:01 pm

I ain't bovvvvverrrrrred.
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:07 pm

Don't you mean...

Grammar: Does It Still Have Its Place?
 
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:09 pm

I was thinking about something similar earlier, as some rather noisy kids went by outside the house. I couldn't understand what any of them well yelling, partly because half were speaking in Gujarati, whilst the other half were yelling at each other in some form of abbreviated English, the only words which I could make out were 'wanker', 'fucking this' and 'fuck that'.  Yeah sure

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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:14 pm



Quoting RJ111 (Reply 5):
Don't you mean...

Grammar: Does It Still Have Its Place?

Bugger.  Wink

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6):
It also really annoys me when somebody babbles a stream of incomprehensible crap at me and, then has the nerve to follow up by saying 'you know what I mean, like?' No, I have absolutely no idea what on earth you just said... now

This is exactly it, if more and more people don't use and understand grammar, I just can't see it surviving...

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I ain't bovvvvverrrrrred.

i didnt fink u wud b. innit.

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Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:20 pm



Quoting Gofly (Thread starter):
Or does it simply not have a place anymore?

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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:23 pm

My pet peeve is native English speakers who don't know the difference between:

There, their, and they're.
Where, were, and we're.
Your and you're.

The last one is the most common screw up I think. Drives me nuts.
 
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:28 pm

On the internet, some things have their place - such as IMHO, AFAIK, etc.

but to type like this is just stupid and to me there is no excuse to ramble on without any punctuation of any sort

Also, an overuse of !!!!!!!!!'s or ??????'s shows how immature a person is, at least in my mind. I often times make fun of such people by saying stuff like this: "OMG!!!!1!!one!!!!!!11!!!!1!!!eleven!!!". If you ever see me say that, it is to make fun of another person.

I'm fairly lenient on apostrophes, but commas and periods are a must to me. "lol", "rofl", and other 'expressive slangs' like those shouldn't be in caps. The only things of that sort that belong in caps are "IMO", "AFAIK", etc. "LOL" to me conveys a child shouting "haha!" at somebody or something, in a very rude way. "lol" is more acceptable to me, because it is lowercase and more "polite".

Use of numbers instead of letters also shows the immaturity of the poster.




Well, thats the world of grammar, spelling, and internet typing according to Bagpiper.
 
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:28 pm

Your a well-travelled chap, so I guess you've heard of that place. But been their before? If so, wear was it?
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:29 pm



Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 9):
My pet peeve is native English speakers who don't know the difference between:

There, their, and they're.
Where, were, and we're.
Your and you're.

The last one is the most common screw up I think. Drives me nuts.

Those bug me, too! As long as you grew up speaking English, then you need to know the differences!
 
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:30 pm

Vai assk yoo? I'ff olreddy olvehs correct grammer uhst!
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:05 pm

It infuriates me when I see people in professional roles using text speak or just being lazy - it hardly saves any time overall, and really spoils the impression you may give to others.

I simply don't do it, as it annoys me to start with; but also, were I to get into the habit of it I may start doing it elsewhere where it is inappropriate.

Even my text messages are properly typed unless I'm short of space!
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:10 pm



Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 10):
Well, thats the world of grammar, spelling, and internet typing according to Bagpiper

Umm, you forgot something. Hint: contraction.
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:25 pm



Quoting Gofly (Thread starter):
Perhaps I'm just pedantic...

Of that's the case, then I'm pedantic as well. Let's start a club.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 9):
My pet peeve is native English speakers who don't know the difference between:

There, their, and they're.
Where, were, and we're.
Your and you're.

Amen. Those particular errors derive me nuts, and let's not forget 'prolly.' I've had to remind several people on a few occasions that there is no such word as 'prolly.'

I'm a stickler for proper grammar, punctuation and spelling and happened to mention this to a co-worker the other day. My boss (the Headmaster and former English teacher) overheard me and commented "You're one of a dying breed, then."
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:44 pm



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 16):
Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 9):
My pet peeve is native English speakers who don't know the difference between:

There, their, and they're.
Where, were, and we're.
Your and you're.

Amen. Those particular errors derive me nuts, and let's not forget 'prolly.' I've had to remind several people on a few occasions that there is no such word as 'prolly.'

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Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:48 pm

Your a well-travelled chap, so I guess you've heard of that place. But have you been their before? If so, wear was it? Did you loose yourself while their?
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:48 pm

It always feels dangerous responding to these threads if you are saying that grammar and spelling are important because you just know that somebody at the other end is going to make an extra special effort to check out what you have written!

What we are all supposed to be doing here is communicating - the best way to do that is to make sure that spelling and grammar are correct.

I usually try to step away from what I've written for minute or two and then give it a "cold eyes" check. Often, what I thought was clear as a writer, becomes unclear as a reader.

I used to get a laugh from a girl I worked with. She'd run spellcheck and when it pointed out some of her spelling monstrosities, she's just click "Add to Personal Dictionary", thinking that she had to be right.
 
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:51 pm



Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 9):
My pet peeve is native English speakers who don't know the difference between:

There, their, and they're.
Where, were, and we're.
Your and you're.

Same here.  Smile
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:03 pm

Huked un fonicks ennywon?
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:16 am



Quoting ZakHH (Reply 2):
yes your just pedantic



Quoting [email protected] (Reply 11):
Your a well-travelled chap

Isn't it you're  spin 

The whole idea of grammar and punctuation is to convey your thoughts and ideas to another person as accurately as possible. It's like when I listen to chavs in London, I haven't got a friggin' idea what they are talking about, innit.

I have problems with the possessive plural apostrophe; the boys' room.
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:01 am

I believe lack of good grammar is also symptomatic of the lack of reading. The only way to learn how to write correctly is by reading. Some people not even read the newspaper.

I don't remember how hard it was to learn English, since I was very little when I did. Even though it's not my first language, I don't find it specially hard.

Good grammar in my native language is very difficult. I guess it is in all the romantic languages. I find French hard.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:38 am



Quoting Babybus (Reply 22):
Isn't it you're

Sir, I would kindly ask you to have your irony detectors checked...  Wink
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:58 pm



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 15):
Umm, you forgot something. Hint: contraction.

Typo - honest  Wink
 
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:22 pm

Why do people have such a hard recognizing the correct use of the words 'have' and 'of'?

I see people type "I should of known" when it should be "I should have known".

Also; "irregardless". What the hell is that?
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:15 pm



Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 10):
On the internet, some things have their place - such as IMHO, AFAIK, etc.

 checkmark  I like expressions like these because they catch your attention before reading the accompanying information. Often times, I may skim a post, and having these ensures that I don't misinterperet an opinion as fact, etc.
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:25 pm



Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 25):
Typo - honest

To me, the worst offenders are those who use "lose" and "loose" interchangeably. Also, "brakes" and "breaks". Given that the words have entirely different meanings, these mistakes go beyond simple spelling errors.

Not long ago, though, someone used "urself" in a thread title. Apparently, the author found it too time-consuming or laborious to bother with the first two letters of the word...  sarcastic 

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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:27 pm

I'm with you on this. It may be all very trendy to use text-speak and ignore punctuation on some internet sites and in phone texts and to insist that "it doesn't matter, as long as you can be understood" but I think it's only fair to take your cue from the quality of the converstaion and the way others are treating it. If it's full of chavs then, by all means, behave like a chav - otherwise, make the effort.  Smile

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 19):
It always feels dangerous responding to these threads if you are saying that grammar and spelling are important because you just know that somebody at the other end is going to make an extra special effort to check out what you have written!

Ditto, but here goes, anyway. We all make the odd tpyo.  Smile

Quoting Gofly (Thread starter):
I would never expect foreigners to grasp English grammar perfectly all the time;

 checkmark  And they're not always the worst offenders, anyway.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 26):
Also; "irregardless". What the hell is that?

 checkmark  It's even more annoying when those challenged claim it was a "joke". Yeah... right!

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6):
It also really annoys me when somebody babbles a stream of incomprehensible crap at me and, then has the nerve to follow up by saying 'you know what I mean, like?' No, I have absolutely no idea what on earth you just said...

Me too but, on the other hand, at least in spoken conversation, you have the opportunity to say "you WHAT, now?". Misunderstandings in written communication take much longer to sort out.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Grammar and spelling help narrow down the retards on "social networking" sites like a charm

Works here, too. How many times have we seen someone claim to be an airline pilot from an English-speaking country and then fail miserably in attempting to string a coherent sentence together? Someone asks about it and you never hear from them again.  Smile

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 9):
There, their, and they're.
Where, were, and we're.
Your and you're.

Didn't and did'nt is another one that gets me. At least the apostrophe is used but it completely misses the point.  Smile
 
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:30 pm



Quoting AirScoot (Reply 17):
And... loose versus lose.

That one annoys me too.

As a professional writer and editor, I sometimes wonder if I speak the same language as some of the contributors I deal with. Their articles are laced with misspelled words and faulty grammar. I am not optimistic that there will be any improvement.
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:42 pm



Quoting [email protected] (Reply 11):
that place. But been their before? If so, wear was it?

Ah, "wear"! So youve been 2 sunderl&?

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 14):
Even my text messages are properly typed unless I'm short of space!

So I'm not the only one then! In any case, with predictive text entry putting the correct words in hardly takes any longer than txtspk, unless you're able to think in the latter (in which case ur screwd).

My father used to send me text messages in Latin, but predictive text entry put paid to that. "Ubi estis nunc? In Legoterra?"
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:55 am

Everyday I see many errors in grammar from my teachers, my peers, and media I watch. And, sometimes it is hard to sit through. One of my teachers never says, you did something well. He always says, you did good (and not as in the act of good). Also, he says let's do this quick. And, I hardly ever hear anyone say quickly or any word that requires ly at the end. It is very disturbing.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:02 am

I used to correct people on their spoken grammar. I have given up on that. I don't understand native English speakers sometimes. All the "deez" and "schizzoz" and so on. At least I can carry on the "old English" in America. I will admit, however, I am not the best speller.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:30 am

What absolutely drives me crazy is an excessive use of apostrophes. You don't need one to express quantity-It's only for contraction, possession, and numbers/terms that can't be pluralized.
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:16 am



Quoting Bok269 (Reply 34):
and numbers/terms that can't be pluralized.

Even here, apostrophes aren't actually needed; it wouldn't be considered incorrect in most cases, but they aren't strictly required.

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Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:49 am

I only care about grammar in a professional environment. Do people actually think that they are helping anything by correcting their friends' or strangers' speech? If I was hanging out with someone who was constantly correcting me, I would backhand them. Linguistics and grammar are constantly changing entities and there is no place for sticklers. I had a linguistics class at uni where the professor said that the only constant rule is that the rules WILL be broken.

Besides, do any of you who expect good grammar go to Jamaica on vacation and correct the natives? Your full of it.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:04 pm



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 36):
Do people actually think that they are helping anything by correcting their friends' or strangers' speech? If I was hanging out with someone who was constantly correcting me, I would backhand them.

I think you'll find that none of us were suggesting that; if somebody was doing that to me, I'd feel the same way. Obvs innit.

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 36):
Besides, do any of you who expect good grammar go to Jamaica on vacation and correct the natives? Your full of it.

No, not at all, I think you'll find that we weren't suggesting that either...

But then I'm blates just full of it.  Wink

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Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:13 pm

So I got up late this morning. Wether was crap like I thought weather School would be open.
So I logged on, but couldnt acess a.net and thought OMG WTF ?????????????????????????????
So I checked it's connection.
So anyways everthing seamed ok so I tried again.
YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So it was obviously something what was wrong with a.net. Carnt blame them for that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So now Im home schools closed and I said like WTFs hapenning like its only 3 inches !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My Mom came home and said your meant to be at school so I say their closed and she says like oh ok DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It's actually surprisngly difficult to write so !

I love the target advert at the bottom of this thread: "ABA English. The best way to learn. Your new online English course, with personal teacher."  Big grin

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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:24 pm



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 38):
So I got up late this morning. Wether was crap like I thought weather School would be open.
So I logged on, but couldnt acess a.net and thought OMG WTF ?????????????????????????????
So I checked it's connection.
So anyways everthing seamed ok so I tried again.
YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So it was obviously something what was wrong with a.net. Carnt blame them for that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So now Im home schools closed and I said like WTFs hapenning like its only 3 inches !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My Mom came home and said your meant to be at school so I say their closed and she says like oh ok DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Perhaps a trial offer should come free with every a.net membership !

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Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:27 pm



Quoting Gofly (Thread starter):
Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Poor use of the apostrophe.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:04 pm



Quoting 747438 (Reply 40):
Quoting Gofly (Thread starter):
Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Poor use of the apostrophe.

How so?
 
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:04 pm



Quoting David L (Reply 29):
Didn't and did'nt is another one that gets me. At least the apostrophe is used but it completely misses the point.

Okay, I'm going out on a limb and my be roasted for it but I thought "didn't" was the only contraction used for "did not". Never knew there was a "did'nt".

I admit I do mix up "its" and "it's" from time to time. Don't know why really but it just happens. I also have problems remembering the correct spelling for "restaurant" and "bureau" words e.g. "bureacracy", etc.

I get extremely annoyed at all the LOL, AFIK, etc being used. Also the whole smiley stuff really gets on my nerves. Yes, once in a while I will use a  Wink or  Smile but other than that I try to avoid them. Also, some of the the abbreviations just don't make sense to me. What is *gr* or the term "my bad"?
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:39 pm

I think everyone should take a bit to realize that the Internet is not a place for proper grammer as a rule. The net is a place for communication and is constantly evolving. Smilies. abbreviations, and other punctuations are part of that evolution. The net is a real time interactive medium where there is an opportunity to express opinions with better punctuation than just a "." "," "!" or "?"

If you are writing a paper, a thesis, or a very serious article for the web, then of course grammer should be checked.

However on the internet  bigmouth  everyone has the right to stand out,  silly  be silly, and  box  come out swiinging.
Language is evolution, and grammer is subject to change. The idea is that everyone understands what you are saying. if you can do it with pictures , vidoe, and sound in addition to words, and your message is clear, then you have done a good job of communcating. Those type of communication that are clear will become part of the evolution of internet grammer.
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:50 pm



Quoting Arrow (Reply 30):
Quoting AirScoot (Reply 17):
And... loose versus lose.

That one annoys me too.

Just so I can set the record straight I will now define these two words. I came across the misuse of these two words no fewer than three times earlier this morning.

The most common definition of loose is "not tight".
The most common definition of lose is "misplace".
The most common definition of louse is "small parasitic blood feeding insect".

You don't loose money. You lose money. You can loosen your money clip, but then your loosened money can become lost. Loosed is not a word in common use today, though it does have an archaic meaning. One looses ones belt if one's pants are too tight. If one loses one's belt, one runs the risk of losing one's pants. Loosing a belt is comfort. Losing a belt can result in comedy.

As for punctuation, I am no good. I admit it. I own it. I'm OK with it. Since my first step towards admitting my punctuation problem, the healing process has begun. Mind you, I've always been bad with punctuation. Since leaving school I've lost the knack.
 
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:20 pm

You could also, quite possibly, lose your loose change to the louse of a loser who was begging on the street corner.  Big grin

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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:33 pm



Quoting 747438 (Reply 40):
Quoting Gofly (Thread starter):
Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Poor use of the apostrophe.

I personally can't see anything incorrect - but I may have missed something. What makes you suggest that?

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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:53 pm



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 43):
I think everyone should take a bit to realize that the Internet is not a place for proper grammer as a rule. The net is a place for communication and is constantly evolving. Smilies. abbreviations, and other punctuations are part of that evolution. The net is a real time interactive medium where there is an opportunity to express opinions with better punctuation than just a "." "," "!" or "?"

If you are writing a paper, a thesis, or a very serious article for the web, then of course grammer should be checked.

I agree internet is a much less formal medium but people are creatures of habit and once they start slacking on grammar while chatting and on the internet it isn't too long before they try it on term papers, formal letters, etc. Just my two cents.
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:52 pm

The language is going to keep evolving and there's nothing you can do (or should do) about it. Years ago I used to get bent out of shape when reporters working for me would spurn the word "endorsement" and replace it with the non-word "endorsation." I would always blue pencil it out, fix it, and sent a nasty note back to the reporter.

But guess what? Endorsation is now an accepted word and it shows up in the dictionary (as one of my now-former reporters gleefully pointed out to me one day). Another pet peeve was the phrase taking a decision (as opposed to making a decision). You take a bus, you make a decision. Where are you taking this decision to? And then another smart-ass (now also former) reporter sent me a note saying "Out of what material are you making your decision?"

The problem is haphazard inconsistency -- and that's where the internet and email have done us all a huge disservice. Consistent spelling and grammar are important for clear communication. The rules and the words, including the spelling, will change over time, but there's a need for a consistent approach. Otherwise we're back to the Tower of Babel.
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RE: Grammar. Does It Still Have Its Place?

Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:11 pm



Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 42):
Okay, I'm going out on a limb and my be roasted for it but I thought "didn't" was the only contraction used for "did not". Never knew there was a "did'nt".

"Didn't" is correct but some know there should be an apostrophe somewhere and assume it goes between to two contracted words, rather than replacing the missing one(s).

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 43):
I think everyone should take a bit to realize that the Internet is not a place for proper grammer as a rule.

I still think it's only basic manners to take your cue from the way each site is treated by others.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 43):
However on the internet everyone has the right to stand out, be silly, and come out swiinging.

No argument there, in general, but standing out by not giving a toss what anyone else thinks or because you can't be bothered using capital letters or punctuation is another matter.

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