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Senate Votes To Give Telecoms Amnesty

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:21 am
by FriendlySkies
This seems to have slipped under the radar...

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/senate-approves.html

Quote:

The Senate overwhelming voted Tuesday evening to legalize President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program and grant amnesty to the phone companies that helped out with the domestic spying..

The 68 to 29 vote is a major step in radically re-configuring 30 year-old limits on how the nation's spying services operate inside America's borders. The vote also deals a severe blow to civil liberties groups that are suing companies such as AT&T and Verizon for turning over millions of American's phone records to the government, and for helping the government wiretap American's phone and internet communications without a court order.

The bill, which expires in six years, allows the government to install permanent wiretapping outposts in telephone and internet facilities inside the United States without a warrant. However, if those wiretaps are used to target Americans inside or outside of the country, the government would have to get a court order. However, if the target is a foreigner or a foreign corporation, and they call an American or an American calls them, no warrant is required.

Prior to this summer, the intelligence community was forbidden by law from wiretapping phone and internet switches inside the United States, unless they had a particular target in mind and applied for a court order from the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. That court largely rubber stamps such applications -- it approved 2,072 in 2005 and required modifications to only 61 of those.

Yet another reason to move to Canada...

RE: Senate Votes To Give Telecoms Amnesty

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:03 am
by AF340
Wow, you guys are f'ed up. Come to Canada! Say anything you want but you'll still be on the US no-fly list...



Liam spin 

RE: Senate Votes To Give Telecoms Amnesty

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:05 am
by cfalk


Quoting FriendlySkies (Thread starter):
Yet another reason to move to Canada...

That's where they'd tap you, LOL

Quoting FriendlySkies (Thread starter):
However, if those wiretaps are used to target Americans inside or outside of the country, the government would have to get a court order. However, if the target is a foreigner or a foreign corporation, and they call an American or an American calls them, no warrant is required.

Once again, Americans aren't the target.

I work in the telecom industry, and most people don't realize that a huge percentage of foreign-to-foreign calls (Russia to Nigeria, for example), are routed through the USA, because of our extraordinarily efficient and cheap telecom network. So you can tap into them right here.

RE: Senate Votes To Give Telecoms Amnesty

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:07 am
by Mir
Exhibit #9832 of why Americans are fed up with Congress. The Democrats run on a platform of blocking the Bush attempts to increase government spying, and this is what you get.

 mad 

-Mir

RE: Senate Votes To Give Telecoms Amnesty

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:55 am
by L-188
Does Canada have a need for oil field equipment buyers.....

This one is 1/4 canuk.

Would that be an advantage, or would I still fall under the 2 year work permit rules.

RE: Senate Votes To Give Telecoms Amnesty

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:11 am
by cfalk


Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
The Democrats run on a platform of blocking the Bush attempts to increase government spying, and this is what you get.

Because when they get down to it, they know that all this talk about domestic spying is a bunch of crap, although they don't mind hyping it up for votes.

You do of course realize that it was a leftist who coined the phrase for people who supported him: "Useful idiots".

RE: Senate Votes To Give Telecoms Amnesty

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:26 am
by kc135topboom


Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
Exhibit #9832 of why Americans are fed up with Congress. The Democrats run on a platform of blocking the Bush attempts to increase government spying, and this is what you get.



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 5):
Because when they get down to it, they know that all this talk about domestic spying is a bunch of crap, although they don't mind hyping it up for votes.

You do of course realize that it was a leftist who coined the phrase for people who supported him: "Useful idiots".

Hey, come on guys, give Congress a break. After all, so far it has taken the Democratic Congress over a year to clean up Baseball, and they are just now getting around to Roger Clemons.

Not to mention all Congressmen and 34 Senators are up for reelection this year, that they must get working on.

The US Congress does know what is really important, and has their priorities set that way. They simply don't have the time to waste on things like spying on terrorists, funding the various government agencies, solving the Social Security shortfall, or fumding the troops.

RE: Senate Votes To Give Telecoms Amnesty

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:52 pm
by AirCop
Now the question is will the House cave in also, since the Senate and House passed different measures. Personally, I would have like Congress refuse to give the Telecoms amnesty, and let the courts decide if the actions on this administration was legal or not.