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Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:31 am

From the Politico

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

Michelle Obama's senior year thesis at Princeton University, obtained from the campaign by Politico, shows a document written by a young woman grappling with a society in which a black Princeton alumnus might only be allowed to remain "on the periphery." Read the full thesis here: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4.

"My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'blackness' than ever before," the future Mrs. Obama wrote in her thesis introduction. "I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second."

The thesis, titled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community" and written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson, in 1985, has been the subject of much conjecture on the blogosphere and elsewhere in recent weeks, as it has been "temporarily withdrawn" from Princeton's library until after this year's presidential election in November. Some of the material has been written about previously, however, including a story last year in the Newark Star Ledger.

Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her "further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant."

During a presidential contest in which the term "transparency" has been frequently bandied about, candidates have buried a number of potentially revealing documents and papers. In Hillary Rodham Clinton's case, there's been a clamoring for tax records, White House memos and other material the candidate's team has chosen to keep from release. The 96-page Princeton thesis, restricted from release by the school's Mudd Library, has also been the subject of recent scrutiny.

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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:51 am

I have to ask, KC, what's the point of this thread? I mean you didn't really give your opinion. Perhaps you could clarify for me? Thanks in advance.

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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:15 pm

It just seems to me someone who has been given every advantage this country has to offer would be such a raciest, as well as not being proud of her country..
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:07 pm

Oh dear god. KC, are you, par chance, a member of a SUNSHINE BAND? What is wrong with you? Where are getting the impression that she is a racist (please, if you're accusing someone of something this serious, spell the damn word properly!), and (I am trying not to LOL), "not being proud of her country"?

I am lost for words and for the billionth time, wonder what is wrong with America that makes a person of a certain political opinion take something their opponent has once said or done and twist it into something it is not. Take Hilary (of whom I am not a fan btw) - what has she done to deserve the hatred with which she is targeted? NOTHING. You may not agree with her opinions, but does she deserve to have her image burned, books written about how Chelsea was conceived in a rape by her husband etc? And now Obama's wife is a raciest (D'OH!) and not being proud of her country (double D'OH!). Look, if you don't want to see Obama, or a Democat, or a black man in the White House, that's your right. But can we please stick to the facts, keep it rational, keep it balanced? Use your head, man. Jeez.
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:25 pm

I know that it's 'customary' in the US to dig up dirt on the candidate you disagree with, but this attempt here takes the term 'pathetic' to a whole new level...
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:35 pm



Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 3):
I am lost for words and for the billionth time, wonder what is wrong with America that makes a person of a certain political opinion take something their opponent has once said or done and twist it into something it is not.



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 4):
I know that it's 'customary' in the US to dig up dirt on the candidate you disagree with

So you both think this sort of political bickering goes on only in the US?

 rotfl 

It's cute that you take opportunities like this to throw in little bullshit jabs at the US, but there's a point where it becomes ridiculous and pathetic, and that point is here.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 3):
Take Hilary (of whom I am not a fan btw) - what has she done to deserve the hatred with which she is targeted?

Other than being an evil socialist, power-hungry pig that will do anything to get her house back on Pennsylvania Ave? There's a reason Obama is beating the hell out of her - it's not because his policies, it's because more Americans are learning how crappy and fake that woman is.




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Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:54 pm

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 5):
So you both think this sort of political bickering goes on only in the US?

Trust me, it's nowhere near as prominent over here.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 5):
It's cute that you take opportunities like this to throw in little bullshit jabs at the US

Stop seeing everything as an 'attack on the US'.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 5):
but there's a point where it becomes ridiculous and pathetic, and that point is here.

And there was a point where yelling 'anti-US' at anyone who dared criticize anything in, around or about the US became 'ridiculous and pathetic', and that point was five years ago.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 5):
evil socialist

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

[Edited 2008-02-23 06:59:35]
 
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:00 pm

Wow, what a useless thread.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:01 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
It just seems to me someone who has been given every advantage this country has to offer would be such a raciest, as well as not being proud of her country..

The impression is that you don't actually understand the text you've quoted above.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:05 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
It just seems to me someone who has been given every advantage this country has to offer would be such a raciest, as well as not being proud of her country..

You've got to be kidding me. I'd love to read that thesis, it's probably really informative and interesting.

With thoughts like yours, much of our society will continue to be colorblind.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:11 pm



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):
Trust me, it's nowhere near as prominent over here.

Yeah, I'm sure you would know.  Yeah sure

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):
Stop seeing everything as an 'attack on the US'.

I don't........but both of the comments I quoted were jabs. Don't sit there trying to deny it.

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):
And there was a point where yelling 'anti-US' at anyone who dared criticize anything in, around or about the US became 'ridiculous and pathetic', and that point was five years ago.

I didn't yell at you for being "anti-US," I just called you out on a ridiculous and highly unjustified remark. You are smart enough to know that this sort of political bickering happens all the time and in every place that participates in modern politics........you know damn well.

And laugh it up, BTW - she is a socialist weasel.




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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:14 pm

Again, what was the point of this tread? A thesis is just that a thesis, nothing more or nothing less based on her experiences. Besides KC have you ever been a black woman at a prestigious Ivy league school that is full of silver-spooned fed white kids?
Now regarding the sound bite regarding being proud of her country; if was very clear to anyone who her entire comment that she was talking about the political process in this country; i.e. black person/women running for president prehaps?
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:19 pm



Quoting NWA742 (Reply 10):

I'm not even going to continue this pissing contest with you, though I find the way you so immediately, and for such silly little things, become so defensive, quite funny.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:22 pm



Quoting NWA742 (Reply 5):

So you both think this sort of political bickering goes on only in the US?

It happens everywhere, but you guys just seem to take it to another level everytime.  Silly
 
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Quoting Scorpio (Reply 12):
I'm not even going to continue this pissing contest with you, though I find the way you so immediately, and for such silly little things, become so defensive, quite funny.

...............by replying you're still participating in it, Scorpio  Yeah sure

Call it being defensive all you want, but it's simply calling out nonsense when I see it.

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 13):
It happens everywhere, but you guys just seem to take it to another level everytime.

Hehe.........I don't know, my friend. I've seen some pretty interesting little contests watching news in Canada while visiting there.



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Quoting NWA742 (Reply 5):

So you both think this sort of political bickering goes on only in the US?

THIS sort of ridiculous, pathetic political bickering indeed doesn't go on in my country, and I'd be bloody appalled if it did. Period.

I sure as hell love America, and equally sure you'll brand me as "Anti-American" because that's the only retort you can come up with, but I'll tell you that straight: the political culture in the US, as demonstrated in the media and as demonstrated on this board, is deep down in the gutter and WAY below anything I know from any European country. Look at this thread for an example.
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Quoting Rara (Reply 15):
THIS sort of ridiculous, pathetic political bickering indeed doesn't go on in my country, and I'd be bloody appalled if it did. Period.

So you're telling me that no politican in Germany of any political opinion ever takes something their opponent has once said or done and twisted it into something it is not?

I believe you!

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting Rara (Reply 15):
I sure as hell love America, and equally sure you'll brand me as "Anti-American" because that's the only retort you can come up with

Like I said before, I'm not shouting "anti-US" at anybody, but ignorant remarks I will call out, so cry me a river.

Quoting Rara (Reply 15):
the political culture in the US, as demonstrated in the media and as demonstrated on this board, is deep down in the gutter and WAY below anything I know from any European country. Look at this thread for an example.

This thread is not an example of political culture in the US. It's an example of a few members of an internet forum arguing about politics.



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Quoting NWA742 (Reply 16):
So you're telling me that no politican in Germany of any political opinion ever takes something their opponent has once said or done and twisted it into something it is not?

I believe you!

He is right. Attacks on this level are not part of the political culture here. The private lives of individual candidates are generally off limits, except if criminal conduct is involved or if the politicians actively try to become a part of the gossip press (which very few actually do).

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 16):
This thread is not an example of political culture in the US. It's an example of a few members of an internet forum arguing about politics.

I'm following the US media directly, and it is in fact representative for a significant section of "political" reporting there.

It is probaby one of the consequences of US politics being almost entirely personalized on the higher levels, with the parties providing very little beyond a part of the electoral infrastructure. Politically there is a huge void around the candidates where our politicians are primarily exponents of standing political party positions. The parties matter a lot more over here, which also makes individual attacks much less interesting. Apart from cultural differences which make snooping on that level unfit for polite company (yeah, we've still got a gutter press, but it almost never enters the actual political debate).
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:13 pm



Quoting NWA742 (Reply 16):

So you're telling me that no politican in Germany of any political opinion ever takes something their opponent has once said or done and twisted it into something it is not?

If it was only that!

- Digging into an opponent's past, going back to 1985 if necessary.
- Spreading rumors of homosexuality, rape, adultery, with or without factual basis, to discredit opponents.
- Calling opponents anti-patriots, socialists, corrupted etc. without ANY factual basis.
- Indulging in bizarre hate orgies against law-abiding citizens and/or indeed against their whole families simply because of their candidacy.

See, we don't do that. German politicians are just as ugly as anywhere else on the planet, they make some wrong decisions, call on BS arguments etc. But we generally try to stick to the real issues and assess them based on their political work, not on their personal life style, world view or whatever.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 16):
This thread is not an example of political culture in the US. It's an example of a few members of an internet forum arguing about politics.

If it was, I wouldn't be posting here. It's an example of one member pulling up the research interests of a political opponent's wife (!) from 1985 (!) to demonstrate how she is "anti-American" and "racist". See, that's what I mean. If somebody around here did that, I'd clear my throat and quietly get up and leave. In here, it appearantly warrants its own thread and is described as a "political discussion".
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:37 pm

So, let me get this straight: The wife of a presidential candidate wrote a piece on *her* experience at Princeton (a rich white school) in the mid-1980s and that is being used as fodder against the candidate? Ummmmm.... I don't get it. There is another mud-slinging campaign going on in regards to McCain and an "anonymous" source. WTF? We are supposed to believe whatever "anonymous" source comes up? I am sure for Michelle Obama, the things in the thesis happened, but, as we can all see (and she had commented on) things have changed greatly.

This is a total non-issue.
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:44 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
It just seems to me someone who has been given every advantage this country has to offer would be such a raciest, as well as not being proud of her country..


KC135TopBoom,

You are correct!

And this is why: What Michelle Obama neglects to acknowledge is the fact that while she was attending Princeton she was surrounded by rich [email protected]$$-es, and was probably treated differently because she was not one of them, not because she was Black!!! How do I know this? I know this because I live in the Princeton area, and spend time there running, shopping and eating out. It's a beautiful town. But, many of the inhabitants [i.e. students] are stuck up to the highest degree. I'm a white male, who has hung out with a few of Princeton's elite/average folks. Some were OK, others I had a tough time communicating with because we were so different, and some looked down on me as if I were nothing, because I did not share their high level of education/views. I feel this was the case for Ms. Obama. And, I am sure I was treated far worse then Ms Obama on many occasions, because I saw many affluent Black students who were part of the Princeton crowd who appeared to fit right in! Yet, did not feel it necessary to paint all Elite Black students as racists, because a few treated me like crap. They were simply stuck up people! No need to inject race in the equation.

Ms Obama's view of this matter is limited, because she is only looking at it one dimensionally. There may have been a small few who disliked her because she was Black. However, for Ms Obama to pin this strictly on race, backs up KC135TopBoom's claim that it's a racist view, because she conveniently ignores many other significant factors, that I have already mentioned, that played a part in her feeling like an outsider! Also, she herself may have played a part in feeling lelt out? But, since this is a minority saying this, too many will blindly take what she says as the truth, not look at the whole picture, while ignoring facts. Political Correctness at it's finest!

Ms Obama is starting to sound like Jesse Jackson and our buddy Al Sharpton!

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Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:11 pm



Quoting Platypus (Reply 20):
And, I am sure I was treated far worse then Ms Obama on many occasions, because I saw many affluent Black students who were part of the Princeton crowd who appeared to fit right in! Yet, did not feel it necessary to paint all Elite Black students as racists, because a few treated me like crap. They were simply stuck up people! No need to inject race in the equation.

And you made these observations in 1985, right? When you were in the 3-12 age group?
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:15 pm

Well hopefully in the general the links between the Barak Hussain Obama and his wife and several radical racist orginizations will be brought to the proper light of day.
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Quoting L-188 (Reply 22):
Well hopefully in the general the links between the Barak Hussain Obama and his wife and several radical racist orginizations will be brought to the proper light of day.

I'm looking forward to pictures of Obama among his KKK buddies.  crazy 
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:42 pm



Quoting NWA742 (Reply 14):
Call it being defensive all you want, but it's simply calling out nonsense when I see it.

This whole thread is nonsense but I don't see you calling out the OP.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 16):
So you're telling me that no politican in Germany of any political opinion ever takes something their opponent has once said or done and twisted it into something it is not?

Last time I checked, Michelle Obama is not running for political office.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 22):
Well hopefully in the general the links between the Barak Hussain Obama and his wife and several radical racist orginizations will be brought to the proper light of day.

Why don't you just out him right here and now. You seem to have him all figured out. Please enlighten us, which radical racist organizations can you link him to? What next from you people? I suppose when he was in the first grade at school in Indonesia, he joined Abu Sayaf too.

Pathetic.

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Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:17 pm



Quoting HALFA (Reply 24):
Last time I checked, Michelle Obama is not running for political office.



Quoting HALFA (Reply 24):
Pathetic.

Looks to be a long summer, from the right wing..Did anyone else catch Bill O'Reilly talking about lynching and Michelle Obama in the same sentence?
 
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Quoting HALFA (Reply 24):
Last time I checked, Michelle Obama is not running for political office.

Didn't stop Hillary in 1992 did it?
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:42 pm

My masters thesis was on 'Ruminate parasite propagation and mortality during ship borne tranfer - tropical or sub-tropical to temperate climate and/or vice versa'.

What does this say about my wife ?
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:02 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 19):
So, let me get this straight: The wife of a presidential candidate wrote a piece on *her* experience at Princeton (a rich white school) in the mid-1980s and that is being used as fodder against the candidate?

it's along the same lines the GOP used in 1992, trying to paint Bill Clinton as the "Manchurian Candidate" because, when he was going to school at Oxford, he and a few others had the audacity to visit Moscow, and they tried to turn it into an issue. Never mind that it was a crock of shit, with no bearing on an election 25 years later, but they knew they couldn't win on issues, so this crap is brought up. Same with the WIFE of a candidate.

What bearing does any of this have on the election, may I ask the author of thread, and the few sad souls who are nodding in agreement with him? It has no bearing. It shows again, they believe they can't win on issues, so, true to the Playbook, it's time to sling mud.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 24):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 22):
Well hopefully in the general the links between the Barak Hussain Obama and his wife and several radical racist orginizations will be brought to the proper light of day.

Why don't you just out him right here and now. You seem to have him all figured out. Please enlighten us, which radical racist organizations can you link him to? What next from you people? I suppose when he was in the first grade at school in Indonesia, he joined Abu Sayaf too.

There is no such enlightenment coming. Cosnervatism isn't an enlightening ideology by nature. L-188 has no proof of anything, no sources. It's just rhetoric.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 26):
Quoting HALFA (Reply 24):
Last time I checked, Michelle Obama is not running for political office.

Didn't stop Hillary in 1992 did it?

Didn't stop Hillary from WHAT in 1992? What did she do in 1992 besides campaign for her hubby, L-188?
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:28 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
The private lives of individual candidates are generally off limits, except if criminal conduct is involved or if the politicians actively try to become a part of the gossip press (which very few actually do).

I so wish that was the case in this country.

The only thing that surprises me about this incident is that it hasn't come up sooner.

Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 27):
My masters thesis was on 'Ruminate parasite propagation and mortality during ship borne tranfer - tropical or sub-tropical to temperate climate and/or vice versa'.

What does this say about my wife ?

I don't know. Is she running for political office?

In the instant case, Michelle Obama's thesis became relevant after she said:

Quote:
"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country." That comment has fueled debate on countless blogs, radio talk shows and cable news for days on end, causing her to explain the statement in greater detail.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642_Page2.html

Look, for better or worse, in this country things that candidates - and their spouses - do and say when they are young can come back to haunt them later on. Ever heard of Bill Clinton's letter to the draft board?
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Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:32 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
Attacks on this level are not part of the political culture here. The private lives of individual candidates are generally off limits, except if criminal conduct is involved or if the politicians actively try to become a part of the gossip press (which very few actually do).

Then perhaps we could learn a lesson from you Germans...........who woulda thunk it?!  Wink

Quoting HALFA (Reply 24):
This whole thread is nonsense but I don't see you calling out the OP.

Don't feel the need.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 24):
Last time I checked, Michelle Obama is not running for political office.

Irrelevant regarding the points I was making.




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Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:04 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 28):
but they knew they couldn't win on issues,

Neither could President Clinton considering that both times he won with less than 50% of the popular vote.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 28):
What bearing does any of this have on the election, may I ask the author of thread, and the few sad souls who are nodding in agreement with him?

I agree. She is not running for office so her thoughts, whether 25 years ago or now, should not have any more weight on a persons decision to vote for Obama than who his VP selection is.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 28):
It shows again, they believe they can't win on issues, so, true to the Playbook, it's time to sling mud.

I don't think it's slinging mud if she actually wrote that and they are just pointing it out. But as I said above, it shouldn't carry any weight on a persons decision of who they will vote for.
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Quoting Halls120 (Reply 29):
The only thing that surprises me about this incident is that it hasn't come up sooner.

What "incident"? Nothing in the opening post remotely qualifies for calling it an "incident".

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 29):
In the instant case, Michelle Obama's thesis became relevant after she said:

Quote:
"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country." That comment has fueled debate on countless blogs, radio talk shows and cable news for days on end, causing her to explain the statement in greater detail.

What was the actual context which has been cut off here?
 
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 28):
may I ask the author of thread, and the few sad souls who are nodding in agreement with him? It has no bearing

It most certainly does!

Barack claims to be a uniter. However, judging by his resent rhetoric, he is not! But, an articulate, partisan spin doctor. That coupled with his wife saying she is finally proud of her country, proves they are part of the Elitist Blame America first crowd. Which is fine if you ask me, even though I disagree with it. But, that view is gravely misguided, and is not shared with the majority of America. There is nothing new w/Barack's liberal views! He offers nothing but mistakes made in Socialist Europe. Barack wants to hurt our corps., while the EU is now cutting taxes, and becoming more business friendly. Brilliant! sarcastic 

Re. Michelle Obama,
It is regretful that she was not proud of America for giving so much aid to Africa, far more than a combination of nations, the liberation of Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and all the other aid given to the world's needy. I find it morally reprehensible for someone as highly educated as her, only capable of looking at America in such a negative light, while ignoring America's abundant positives, that far , far out weight our negatives. I guess it's all about her!

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):
Trust me, it's nowhere near as prominent over here.

Correct me if I'm wrong,
But wasn't there race riots recently in the EU? Yes, there was! The US was attacked on 911, over 3000 were murdered, 20,000 killed was the terrorists goal. Yet, there were no riots here! Please understand I'm not saying the US is any better. What must be mentioned is the fact that both the US and the EU [other nations as well] offer so much more and are far more hospitable, to foreigners [much better than their native countries] looking for a better life. I find your comment unwarranted, and factually wrong!
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:32 pm



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 31):
Neither could President Clinton considering that both times he won with less than 50% of the popular vote.

Did he actually have less than his respective opponent? Or are you just getting desperate again?
 
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:52 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 29):
The only thing that surprises me about this incident is that it hasn't come up sooner.

What "incident"? Nothing in the opening post remotely qualifies for calling it an "incident".

The "incident" I am referring to is the clamor over her thesis. Given the Clinton campaign's increasing desperation, I expect more mud to be slung against Obama as the Texas and Ohio primaries draw near.

Look at the furor over the McCain-lobbyist alleged linkage. You really think the New York Times just discovered a 8 year old story?

This is - sadly - the norm for US political campaigns.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 29):
In the instant case, Michelle Obama's thesis became relevant after she said:

Quote:
"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country." That comment has fueled debate on countless blogs, radio talk shows and cable news for days on end, causing her to explain the statement in greater detail.

What was the actual context which has been cut off here?

Did you go to the article that I provided a link to? I guess I could reproduce the entire politico.com article here, but I think the mods might not be happy about that.  biggrin 
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:59 pm



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 35):
The "incident" I am referring to is the clamor over her thesis.

...but not her thesis itself, as far as I can see.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 35):
Did you go to the article that I provided a link to? I guess I could reproduce the entire politico.com article here, but I think the mods might not be happy about that.

I've looked into it, but as everywhere else only the same sentence is quoted without any context. I'd like to see the entire speech at last (video or transcript).
 
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:11 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 35):
Did you go to the article that I provided a link to? I guess I could reproduce the entire politico.com article here, but I think the mods might not be happy about that.

I've looked into it, but as everywhere else only the same sentence is quoted without any context. I'd like to see the entire speech at last (video or transcript).

I see your point. I'll see if I can find it.
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:25 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
Did he actually have less than his respective opponent? Or are you just getting desperate again?

No, and I am not disputing that, but if you are voted in with less than 50% of the popular vote then it stands to reason that more than 50% do not necessarily agree with your positions.
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:30 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
I've looked into it, but as everywhere else only the same sentence is quoted without any context. I'd like to see the entire speech at last (video or transcript).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nu9Zei11uEc

Quote:
She had told an audience in Milwaukee that, “For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change.”

A number of commentators jumped on the remark and Cindy McCain, wife of Republican presidential candidate John McCain, sought to capitalize on it, saying “I have, and always will be, proud of my country.”

When asked Wednesday if she would like to clarify her comment, Obama replied that she has been struck by the number of people going to rallies and watching debates, as well as record voter turnouts.

“What I was clearly talking about was that I’m proud in how Americans are engaging in the political process,” she said.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/805430,michelle21.article
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:30 pm



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 38):
No, and I am not disputing that

So you're in fact just getting desperate again.
 
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:38 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
So you're in fact just getting desperate again.



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 31):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 28):
but they knew they couldn't win on issues,

Neither could President Clinton considering that both times he won with less than 50% of the popular vote.

Nope, but nice try. Falcon said the GOP couldn't win on the issues in 1992. My summation that neither could President Clinton is accurate. I guess I don't understand how you are trying to define "desperate" in this case.
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:43 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
Quoting RJdxer (Reply 38):
No, and I am not disputing that

So you're in fact just getting desperate again.

I only see Klaus dodging the issue! Care to watch the Youtube video?
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:45 pm



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 41):
Nope, but nice try. Falcon said the GOP couldn't win on the issues in 1992. My summation that neither could President Clinton is accurate. I guess I don't understand how you are trying to define "desperate" in this case.

There is quite a bit of difference between not gaining an absolute majority and not gaining a majority at all.
 
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:51 pm



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 39):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
I've looked into it, but as everywhere else only the same sentence is quoted without any context. I'd like to see the entire speech at last (video or transcript).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nu9Zei11uEc

Thanks... I think the context makes it very clear that she's talking about being proud of her country coming together again after being divided for so long.

I would say that is about as patriotic as it gets.

Being high on pride 24/7 "just because" makes at least me a bit queasy by comparison.
 
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:58 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 43):
There is quite a bit of difference between not gaining an absolute majority and not gaining a majority at all.

True, and if there had been a third party he could have allied himself with, as is often the case in other countries with more than two major parties, he could have claimed to have over 50% of the populace supporting his positions. In this case he could not. But that is not what this thread is about and I will leave it at that.
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:06 am



Quoting Klaus (Reply 44):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 39):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
I've looked into it, but as everywhere else only the same sentence is quoted without any context. I'd like to see the entire speech at last (video or transcript).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nu9Zei11uEc

Thanks... I think the context makes it very clear that she's talking about being proud of her country coming together again after being divided for so long.

I know what she was trying to say, and I suspect that if given the chance for a do-over, she would have said it differently, because I'm sure there must have been other instances where she was proud of her country.

For instance, had she put it this way: “I have never been more proud of my country than I am now. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change.”

It's the "for the first time in my adult life" comment that rubs many the wrong way. For example - wasn't she proud of the political process that resulted in her husband being elected to the US Senate?
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:18 am



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 46):
I know what she was trying to say, and I suspect that if given the chance for a do-over, she would have said it differently, because I'm sure there must have been other instances where she was proud of her country.

I understand what you're getting at, but I see the splitting of hairs about the expression of emotions by a candidate's spouse really a symptom of the problems with the US presidential elections.

The criticism looks a lot like the enforcement of conformity to a rigidly nationalistic ideology. An ideology which hasn't done the USA any favours recently - quite the opposite, in fact.
 
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:21 am

My father attended Princeton following his USMC service in WW2 a a dive-bomber pilot. He graduated in 1949, and served the university for years as an officer in the Alumni Association. His memory of Princeton was probably far different from that of Mrs. Obama. I do remember as a kid visiting the campus for the festive reunion parties. The place seemed like a big club. In fact, there are no fraternaties at Princeton, just "Eating Clubs." I wonder which club admitted Mrs. Obama? I also remember my dad bemoaning the 1969 decision by the university to admit women.

I am not surprised by the views of Mrs. Obama, but it has little to no relevance to her husband's campaign. Princeton is yet another liberal bastion that does not practice what it preaches. That is not certainly not news.
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RE: Michelle Obama Thesis Was On Racial Divide

Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:41 am

I believe that the paper is a typical reactionist college student paper written by someone who is ignorant of the world. Throw the female equation into it and it becomes narcissistic piece, thus the added "I" editorial.

Its nothing really surprising form someone in college and I think the fact that here husband is a leading candidate for president shows that she was ignorant and wrong at the time. Thats all, story over.
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