|Quoting Asturias (Reply 87):|
How droll.. not worthy of a reply. I asked for examples with Turkey and Europe and I get snide remarks instead of an answer - which apparently should be just about the simplest thing in the world because the answer is so obvious.
It is to anyone capable of some pretty basic reading. If you are going to engage in this debate, it is usually assumed by other participants that you might have an elementary knowledge of what it is you are discussing. I personally find it rather disconcerting to read your very long posts on this subject when you are apparently entirely unaware of a huge chunk of European history. It is now no longer a question of not being bothered to provide links of the bleedin' obvious for you to read and digest, but more of a demand that you acquaint yourself with some essential history before holding court.
I do not mind you holding the view that Turkey shouldn't be a member of the EU, it is a perfectly legitimate position to hold, and one I am pleased to debate with you. However, I really do mind if the whole discussion is predicated on you having absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of the historical underpinnings behind the debate. The same applies to your comment that Turkey has never had European allies - something that you have now rather backtracked from by refining your definition.
I am rather at a loss to comprehend how you could possibly assert that they haven't had any allies when you have demonstrated such a woeful lack of knowledge concerning the history of Europe itself. I just can't quite imagine how it is possible to miss it. Really. It's up there with asserting the world is flat.
Please do go and do some research on this. The debate is a perfectly valid one, but it does need to be founded on at least a basic understanding. Denying Turkey's European history is not a good start.