British Soldiers Lewd Acts, Sent Home

UH60FtRucker · Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:08 pm

So a group of British soldiers are being sent home, after running around naked in a bar, pissing in public, and upsetting a Norwegian town.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...cle_id=524553&in_page_id=1811&ct=5

Quote:
Eight British Commandos have been flown home in disgrace for stripping naked and engaging in appalling behaviour in a Norwegian bar during an Arctic training exercise.

The men disgusted onlookers in the town of Harstad with a drunken game of "naked bar".

After whipping off their clothes, they urinated on each other - splashing other customers and furniture - before slurring insults and abuse.

Furious senior officers ordered the soldiers, from the Army's 59 Independent Commando Squadron Royal Engineers, back home to face disciplinary action.

Now... WTF?!?

"Naked bar"???? Eight grown men getting naked with each other, PISSING on each other, and playing grab ass in public? Seriously... what the f*ck?

Quote:
"Naked Bar" is a popular drinking game in many units across the British armed forces.

Wow. That's kinda sounds like repressed sexual tendencies. Anyway, so what do you all think? Eight fools making the whole group look bad, or a bigger issue considering the game is apparently popular amongst other soldiers?

-UH60

andessmf · Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:21 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Anyway, so what do you all think?

Well, what happens when you are away from the opposite sex for a looooong time? Do you go a little crazy? Do you build up enough to then conceive multiple children?...

Otherwise, it sounds pretty messed up.

David L · Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:22 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
WTF?!?

WTF indeed - disturbing. My brother was a Marine reservist for some time and occasionally had to put a stop to some rowdiness on courses like these... but he's never mentioned anything remotely like this.

yowza · Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:34 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
"Naked bar"???? Eight grown men getting naked with each other, PISSING on each other, and playing grab ass in public? Seriously... what the f*ck?

It could have been worse, at least they were pissing on each other and not on prisoners...

YOWza

lobster · Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:35 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Now... WTF?!?

Indeed.

I've seen some pretty gross shit done by soldiers, but not this bad. Pissing on each other? WTF!

At least they didn't start dry humping each other!! duck

davehammer · Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:36 pm

In the Daily Wail as well. As such there's an immediate reason to question it. If it is true then they should be court marshalled and dealt with severely both in the UK and Norway.

Tom in NO · Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:39 pm

Who knows.....maybe they had the "It's better to be pissed on, than pissed off" mindset going wink

Tom at MSY

ANCFlyer · Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:48 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
and playing grab ass in public? Seriously...

WOC School? duck

Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):
It could have been worse, at least they were pissing on each other and not on prisoners...

Not even worth a reply . . .

I'd never heard of this "game" . . . of course my last interface with the British Army was in Baumholder Germany in the mid 80s . . . always got along quite well.

Hopefully the media has this wrong and it's not a "popular" game.

BMIFlyer - you just came back from somewhere, what can you tell us of this 'game'?

wrighbrothers · Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:05 pm

Well they are Marines, what did you expect Wink

.......they are infamous for naked roll matt fighting...... no really..

Seriously though, they are Marines and they are soldiers, soldiers do strange things when drunk and/or for the sure ammusement of it. I'm sure they thought it was hillarious and totally acceptable untill the RMP turned up and crashed the party !

From the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7276314.stm

It's completely unacceptable and they'll no dobut be punished accordingly,they've already been flown home and fined.
It is most likely just an idea that sounded like a good laugh encouraged by alchool. It's something that puts a bad name to tarnish the reputation of many fine soldiers, it's idiots like these who do dumb things.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
BMIFlyer - you just came back from somewhere, what can you tell us of this 'game'?

I know I'm not BMIFlyer....but I've heard of this game and it's not exactly what the paper portrays it as, it's not popular and it's not really that funny....to a sober squaddie atleast.

Wrighbrothers

stasisLAX · Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:05 pm

My question is this: why didn't the bartender IMMEDIATELY call the local police or even the Military Police? These guys were completely out of control.

Quoting Lobster (Reply 4):
At least they didn't start dry humping each other!!

Remember: Don't ask, don't tell.

What happens in Norway STAYS in Norway

[Edited 2008-03-04 15:06:36]

Braybuddy · Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:33 pm

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 8):
but I've heard of this game and it's not exactly what the paper portrays it as, it's not popular and it's not really that funny....

Could've been worse . . . just suppose they were playing "soggy biscuit" . . . or is that just confined to rugby players? Big grin

Just drunken lads' play that got a bit out of hand. If it wasn't for the pissing part it would've been completely harmless.

Foxy · Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:36 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 10):
Could've been worse . . . just suppose they were playing "soggy biscuit" . . . or is that just confined to rugby players?

I'm informed by my friends in the army it is confined to members of the RAF Wink

kmh1956 · Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:05 am

Having worked as a bartender for many years, we always used to dread when navy ships would be in port. The British navy was the worst by a long shot, followed in rapid succession by the US and Canadian navies....they used to wreck the place. We had the men's rom completely destroyed, urinals and sinks pulled off the walls, pee all over the floor both in the men's room and in the bar area. I had to get management to call the cops several times on guys who felt it necessary to display their 'weapons' on my bar....

Finally, management decided that naval personnel would no longer be welcome in that pub, and they hired a bouncer to keep them out whenever the fleet ws in town....

Submariners and pilots were amazingly well-behaved, as were the navies from the Scandinavian region....but they suffered because of the behavior of the rest of the crowd....

Banco · Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:14 am

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 12):
Submariners and pilots were amazingly well-behaved

Yes, but to be fair even the navies think submariners are a bit weird... Wink

WrenchBender · Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:28 am

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 12):
Canadian navies....

You didn't work at the Swizzle Inn or the Inn on the Square(St Georges) in 1982/3 did you?
If so, I'm Sorry

Canadian Naval Airman

Braybuddy · Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:22 am

When you think about it, soldiers off-duty are bound to be a little more reckless than the rest of us. This is nothing to get worked-up about.

ltbewr · Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:26 am

It is a shame how a few jerks can ruin a country's image. I hope that they face severe disipline, including the jail for a while. They will probably lose rank, pay, retirement benefits, get a less than honorable discharge, criminal records and s on all for really stupid behavior. To me a good solder, especially an officer, is supposed to know how to beheave at all times and do so.

[Edited 2008-03-04 17:27:41]

Braybuddy · Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:51 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 16):
hope that they face severe disipline, including the jail for a while. They will probably lose rank, pay, retirement benefits, get a less than honorable discharge, criminal records and s on all for really stupid behavior. To me a good solder, especially an officer, is supposed to know how to beheave at all times and do so.

Ah come on . . . they were off-duty and had a few drinks. They could've done a lot worse . . .

MD11Engineer · Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:00 am

British squaddies and sailors have the reputation of getting a bit rowdy when drunk, and this reputation dates back to before Nelson's time.
A friend, who used to be a captain in the British Army told me about his whole infantry battalion including officer commanding (being based in Germany with the British Army of the Rhine back then) getting by bus to the Hamburg red light district and then marching (wearing a kind of semi uniform, civilian clothes, but different coloured sweat shirts for each company) in formation down the Reeperbahn to the bars and brothels.
This caused, of course, a huge alert for the red caps, the MP.

Jan

lobster · Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:00 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 17):
Ah come on . . . they were off-duty and had a few drinks. They could've done a lot worse . . .

There comes a point being in public where certain actions get to a level that simply isn't acceptable for a person in the military. They reached that point and shamed their unit, command, branch, and country. They need punishment.

Braybuddy · Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:17 am

Quoting Lobster (Reply 19):
They need punishment.

Yep. Slap on the wrist. Nothing more.

army15p · Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:43 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
WOC School?

I just graduated from WOC School at the end of Feb and I can assure you that it is a highly professional, officer development course. I take offense that such an allegation would be made! WOCS was a school were I learned the technical skills necessary to ensure a properly cleaned car, as well as a serviceable coffee cup. At no time was grab ass encouraged, nor tolerated. Well except at previously mentioned car washing engagements, or at any other time TAC officers were not present, and ohh ya there was that one time in the field, but it was just one time! (that we got caught)
As to the behavior of the British Soldiers. Inexcusable. I'm sure that they succumbed to some possible cabin fever, or the altered brain state that occurs during/ following extended periods of military training. However, as soldiers in another country they are the ambassadors of not only their military, but their extended country as well. And well as a soldier, I've seen some weird things deemed funny, but this one would have to take the cake as one of the most out there jokes.

UH60FtRucker · Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:59 am

Quoting Army15P (Reply 21):
I just graduated from WOC School at the end of Feb and I can assure you that it is a highly professional, officer development course. I take offense that such an allegation would be made! WOCS was a school were I learned the technical skills necessary to ensure a properly cleaned car, as well as a serviceable coffee cup. At no time was grab ass encouraged, nor tolerated. Well except at previously mentioned car washing engagements, or at any other time TAC officers were not present, and ohh ya there was that one time in the field, but it was just one time! (that we got caught)

As I started reading your post, I was like... what the f*ck? Did they freakin brain wash him while he was there?

I wish you had told me that you were graduating. I was just down at Rucker for a few weeks for the Mike Model transition course. I would have made my way over to your graduation ceremony. Well anway, congrats on becoming a young WO1! And if you thought WOC school was bullshit, just wait for the fun over at B Co. From what I hear from the new WOJs in my unit, it's worse than when I went through 3 years ago. Your goal should be to get through flight school as quickly as possible... so you can come to back to the real Army and you can "unlearn" all of those things they teach you at Rucker!

-UH60

MYT332 · Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:24 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
BMIFlyer - you just came back from somewhere, what can you tell us of this 'game'?

Sure he can. Who do you think the story is about? Lee also introduced a new aspect of the game called 'drink two beers and throw up' but in the end it was just him playing that version. Wink

skidmarks · Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:33 am

Quoting Foxy (Reply 11):
I'm informed by my friends in the army it is confined to members of the RAF

Cheeky sod! WE never got caught!! wink

Andy

moo · Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:56 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Anyway, so what do you all think? Eight fools making the whole group look bad, or a bigger issue considering the game is apparently popular amongst other soldiers?

I get this practically every weekend - half of my group of friends are squaddies Smile

And yes, Naked Bar is quite a 'popular' event in our local, although none of them have ever gone as far as peeing on each other.

*checks to see if any of his mates have suddenly arrived back in the UK*

bwest · Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:16 am

Boys will be boys... lets hope no innocent puppies were harmed during all this! Wink

kmh1956 · Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:57 pm

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 14):
You didn't work at the Swizzle Inn or the Inn on the Square(

Nope...Actually in 1982, I was working as a bartender at a disco in Blackpool. In Bermuda, I worked at the Robin Hood from about 1977-1981, the White Heron (in Warwick) from 1979-1986) and filled in occasionally at Cock and Feather on Front Street for Friday happy hours for about a year somewhere in there....

In my post, though, I was referring to working at the Robin Hood.....I loved the work, but I couldn't do it now. I don't have the patience....

oli80 · Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:20 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 20):
Yep. Slap on the wrist. Nothing more

Could not agree more.

Quoting Moo (Reply 25):
I get this practically every weekend - half of my group of friends are squaddies

Same here, except they are rugby players and not squaddies.

yowza · Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:13 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
sarcastic Not even worth a reply . . .

Um, I'm not sure what your problem is but I think my point was valid. At least they were consenting and pissing on one another and not on prisoners. If that had been the case the fallout would have been quite serious.

YOWza

kmh1956 · Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:58 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 29):
At least they were consenting and pissing on one another and not on prisoners.

I believe there were some other customers who were also 'in the firing line', so to speak, along with furniture....had I been the manager of the place, I would have had them arrested. This behavior is inexcusable...

ANCFlyer · Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:05 pm

Quoting Army15P (Reply 21):
I take offense that such an allegation would be made!

Not unlike Drill Sergeant School then I see . . .

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 22):
Your goal should be to get through flight school as quickly as possible... so you can come to back to the real Army and you can "unlearn" all of those things they teach you at Rucker!

Yup, get to the "real" Army and flush about 75% of what you learned in the textbook right down the crapper.

wrighbrothers · Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:38 pm

Quoting Foxy (Reply 11):
I'm informed by my friends in the army it is confined to members of the RAF

Nah it's marines too, mainly Marines and RAF regiment, although I hear strange things happen in the flight-crew room !

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 16):
It is a shame how a few jerks can ruin a country's image. I hope that they face severe disipline, including the jail for a while. They will probably lose rank, pay, retirement benefits, get a less than honorable discharge, criminal records and s on all for really stupid behavior. To me a good solder, especially an officer, is supposed to know how to beheave at all times and do so

Hmm, I think that's a bit harsh, but certainly disciplinary action must be taken and if any officers were involved they should be discharged. They will most likely be barred for promotion for a few years and face a good beasting from various levels. It is however one of these things soldiers do and is hard to explain the mentality of to non soldiers. Soldiers think differently and don't usualy see the negative things such activities have, they just see it as having a good laugh. They were most likey just off exercise and so were having the first free time in a while and jsut wanted to make the most of it soldier style.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 18):
A friend, who used to be a captain in the British Army told me about his whole infantry battalion including officer commanding (being based in Germany with the British Army of the Rhine back then) getting by bus to the Hamburg red light district and then marching (wearing a kind of semi uniform, civilian clothes, but different coloured sweat shirts for each company) in formation down the Reeperbahn to the bars and brothels.
This caused, of course, a huge alert for the red caps, the MP.

Sounds like the infantry alright... infantry people would do that kind of thing haha. But on a serious note, not a good thing for an officer to do, sounds rather para like to me...

I think I've done the complusary slagging off !
Wrighbrothers

fumanchewd · Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:36 pm

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 27):
and filled in occasionally at Cock and Feather

As has most of a.net.

GDB · Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:10 pm

Wasn't a kind of 'grot' competition was it?
As in, when they get mullered and challenge each other to out gross/out lewd each other.
A popular one being, when the unfortunate female is not looking, quickly spiriting away her handbag and shitting in it, then quietly putting it back....

PlymSpotter · Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:27 pm

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 8):
.......they are infamous for naked roll matt fighting...... no really..

If I'm remembering the right incident, this was in a field about a mile down the road from my house - I'd always wondered why they had such high fences and hedges to stop you seeing in!

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 23):
Lee also introduced a new aspect of the game called 'drink two beers and throw up' but in the end it was just him playing that version.

Added points for distance I believe Wink

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