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Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:57 pm



Quoting Foxy (Reply 42):
The best train in the world.....

Try going from Carlisle to Newcastle on those things  vomit 


Anyway, surprised MYT332 hasn't replied, being that he is a regular commuter and all that  Wink
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:04 pm



Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 37):
I didn't realize LIRR had double-decker cars. Looks pretty cool.

Those train are fairly new. The LIRR just bought them in the early 2000's (I forget the exact year). They can run on both the electric tracks and the normal tracks. And they are so much better to ride in than those old trains!
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:11 pm



Quoting Foxy (Reply 42):

You need help.

Trains along my local line (and past my house)...

Class 142 (world's worst train)
http://www.wnxx.com/images/090308/142026%20Manchester%20Piccadilly%20010308%20SJ%20Kemp.jpg

Class 150


Class 156


In Wigan, Virgin Trains comes along with these two types...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Class_221_Virgin_Voyager_approaching_Bristol_Parkway_westbound_2006-05-03_02.jpg/800px-Class_221_Virgin_Voyager_approaching_Bristol_Parkway_westbound_2006-05-03_02.jpg
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:20 pm

Manchester, UK.



Also, below is my 'Office'  Smile








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Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:44 pm



Quoting Foxy (Reply 42):

Class 142s are the WORST trains in existence. They gave away our 158s for them, now we have double 142s on the devon metro, which I use every day between Newton Abbot and Torre. Even 4 153s coupled together would be better than 2 142s.
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:02 am

From my two places of residence:
Los Angeles Metro Blue, Green, and Gold Lines:


Red Line/Purple Line:


Southern California MetroLINK

And since LIRR and Metro-North were posted earlier:
NYC Subway (from NYCsubway.org)
http://images.nycsubway.org/i62000/img_62412.jpg
http://images.nycsubway.org/i70000/img_70505.jpg
http://images.nycsubway.org/i71000/img_71004.jpg
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:27 am



Quoting Sebolino (Reply 35):
you see the wires on the reflection on the glass of the tram.

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Quoting KPWM (Reply 49):
My favorite train trip of all time was on the Alaska Railroad, Anchorage to Fairbanks. The scenery was amazing.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Next time try the route in my photos - Anchorage to Seward. It the "Coastal Classic", I GUARANTEE better scenery than the ANC-FAI trip.
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:27 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 56):
I'm glad you enjoyed it. Next time try the route in my photos - Anchorage to Seward. It the "Coastal Classic", I GUARANTEE better scenery than the ANC-FAI trip.

I'll keep that in mind for the next time I visit Alaska. I was once on a cruise that went up to Seward. The coastal scenery was just stunning. Alaska is an amazing place.




Here are some more trains near me.


I forgot the Amtrak Downeaster.
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:41 am



Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 21):
Are these the ones they sold off to some guy and now they're buying them back from him at twice the price? Or some price equally rediculous. Gotta love Aussie governments...

Yep, they're the ones......... The guy basically bought a couple of them for scrap value, and sold them back for a very substantual profit. They're also leasing one owned by a railway historical society.
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:53 am



Quoting Melpax (Reply 58):
Yep, they're the ones......... The guy basically bought a couple of them for scrap value, and sold them back for a very substantual profit. They're also leasing one owned by a railway historical society.

Thought so, he'd be laughing. I shook my head in disbelief, when that story popped up on our 6pm news up here a few months ago.

Anyway a few more from New South Wales;

Countrylink trains - intrastate and interstate services;

XPT - some services within New South Wales, and between Sydney-Melbourne and Sydney-Brisbane. It offers (limited) twinette sleeper accommodation on the overnight services to both Melbourne and Brisbane. (This engine will probably look familiar to the UK guys).  Wink


nice little photo diary of a daylight Melbourne to Sydney trip on the XPT
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rickly/sets/72157594303438885/

XPLORER - all other country services within New South Wales and between Sydney-Canberra.


interior of the XPLORER


And one of the other trains in the CityRail fleet, similar design externally to the XPLORER but called ENDEAVOUR - these are operated on the non-electrified lines outside the city. Interior is "CityRail", and after my less than stellar experience riding with them into the city today (on the crappy old trains in my previous post and having to stand up for the hour each way trip), I can understand why people pronounce the "C" of CityRail as "SH" (because it truly is...). Big grin
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:04 pm

Northern Ireland

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee141/swisstrip2007/nir5.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee141/swisstrip2007/NewTrainCentral2w.jpg

Cross Border Northern Ireland to Republic of Ireland





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Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:42 pm



Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 59):

Is that a 43 - IC125 lookalike?
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:22 pm



Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 61):
Is that a 43 - IC125 lookalike?

Yes, it is a modified design.

Features a larger cooler group, radiator, etc - for the aussie climate  Smile



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Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:46 pm



 Yeah sure
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:52 pm



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 63):

Admit it, you love em Big grin  duck 



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Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:39 pm



Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 64):
Admit it, you love em Big grin duck

Would prefer something more comfortable on a 2hour train trip from Annan to Glasgow, hence why I usually take Virgin from Carlisle, half the time, more comfortable and only £3 more expensive  Wink
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:42 pm

Haha Big grin

Speaking of - I had to endure a trip on 2 class 150s today, in Manchester.


When I got a 185 10 mins later, what a difference Big grin
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:44 pm



Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 66):
When I got a 185 10 mins later, what a difference Big grin

A step down in class?  duck 

What's a 150 anyway? Similar to a 156?
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:35 pm



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 67):
What's a 150 anyway? Similar to a 156?

Ask Myt332.  Wink
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:53 pm



Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 21):



Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 59):

You forgot the OSCars and the silver suburban air-conditioned trains (basically a newer generation sliver set)
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:47 pm

In Exeter I usually end up on these:

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/i/IMG_4483.JPG.88933.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/i/Inverkeithing.jpg.20946.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/images/h/HST_Meet.jpg.20956.jpg

but there are also this:

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/1/150243_Horse_Cove_25aug07.jpg.81976.jpg

In Bratislava you get to see these trains:

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/i/IMG_7473.jpg.81316.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/p/P1220399XSFR.jpg.30102.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/3/350.018.jpg.29313.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/t/T6791168_Cremosne20060514.jpg.28752.jpg

and in NJ among already mentioned you may find these as well

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/n/njt1487.jpg.41955.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/u/UPLOAD2.jpg.61823.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/e/elizABETH.jpg.95293.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/images/i/IMG08.JPG.41237.jpg

I am sure that our own 'commuter in-the-know' will tell you all about each train.  duck 

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Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:15 am



Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 61):
Is that a 43 - IC125 lookalike?



Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 62):
Yes, it is a modified design.

Features a larger cooler group, radiator, etc - for the aussie climate

XPT Train - sorry, it's wiki....

Quote:
The HST design had to be significantly modified, with the power cars becoming shorter, the engine being down rated, and air filters and the cooling system modified to cater for hot and dusty Australian conditions. The passenger trailers cars were based on a Budd design, rather than the British Mark III trailers of the HST, which were considered unsuitable.

I'm surprised none of the Queenslanders are trumpeting this....The Cairns Diesel Tilt Train. I did Brisbane to Cairns on it a little time ago, just for the heck of it. Although 25 hours was a bit much. No sleeper service is provided on the tilt, but it does have a shower. As well as at-seat service, there is a club car where you can go and purchase food and drinks.



ALL Business class seating - with pillow and blanky supplied...in a plush 2x1 arrangement, unfortunately NOT lay flat seating.


Trolly Dolly (BOB) service


Breakfast - better than what's provided on US domestic flights....  Big grin


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Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:19 am



Quoting Andrej (Reply 70):
In Exeter I usually end up on these:

Don't SWT also go out there?
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:33 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 73):
Don't SWT also go out there?

Yes from Waterloo Station to Exeter-Central as well as St. Davids, but I have never been on them. It takes longer then FGW (if they are running on time  Smile ) to get to London.

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/4/444026_1911IMG_4093.jpg.66348.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/p/P1000259.JPG.91955.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/2/2630-1024.jpg.64662.jpg

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Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:57 am

The LACMTA RedLine Subway at Union Station
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/ea90744b/120107039.jpg


The metro gold line light rail at south pasadena
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/ea90744b/120107038.jpg

and finally the metro blue line light rail train in downtown long beach

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/ea90744b/120107068.jpg
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:09 am



Quoting Sebolino (Reply 24):
TGV Est between Paris and Strasbourg



I lived in Metz for a few months in '05 while on an exchange at Universite Paul Verlaine de Metz, and i took that route quite a few times between paris and metz and also to strasbourg. Unfortunately, i was a little too early to take the TGV then. I read about it everywhere, but no dice. Do you by any chance have pictures of the Metz or Strasbourg train stations since the line opened?
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:20 am



Quoting VHVXB (Reply 69):
You forgot the OSCars and the silver suburban air-conditioned trains (basically a newer generation sliver set)

Oops, so I did. I'm not a "commuter in the know" as such, like some on here, and only thought of the trains I see on my line. Or I've just recently travelled on them.  Wink OSCars are out of sight, out of mind for me....

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Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:54 am



Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 78):
OSCars are out of sight, out of mind for me....

Indeed not many people see them anyway. If you ever head down the south coast thats where you can find them and to the lower Blue Mountains in the not to distant future
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:20 am



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 77):
Do you by any chance have pictures of the Metz or Strasbourg train stations since the line opened?

Sure







The Strasbourg station before the TGV









And after












The TGV doesn't go in Metz, but in a new station between Metz and Nancy.
 
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:18 am

For me, it's the Commonwealth Engineering double-deck Interurban trains we have in Sydney. They are old, but they are nice things to travel on. Good seats, good air-conditioning, well insulated and quiet.

One of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAz2shBq6Z4

This is one of those awful 6 car sets - they get really crowded quickly.

[Edited 2008-03-14 04:20:35]
 
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Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:19 am

In Portland, Oregon...

Amtrak Long Distance (Empire Builder - between Portland/Seattle and Chicago)



Amtrak Cascades Talgo (between Portland/Eugene and Seattle)



MAX Light Rail



Portland Streetcar



[Edited 2008-03-14 20:22:53]
 
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Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:13 am



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 50):
Anyway, surprised MYT332 hasn't replied, being that he is a regular commuter and all that

And still Myt332 hasn't replied... it must be killing him to stay out of this thread!  duck 
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Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:52 pm



Quoting PhilGil (Reply 82):
Portland Streetcar

I love those street cars of Portland, OR. They fit right in to the city. When I rode on them, They were very nice and clean too.
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Danish InterCity train (IC3)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/robotusch/Airliners/DSB_IC3.jpg


Might have to include the train trip in my Trip Report when going to LHR on tuesday Big grin
 
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Quoting PhilGil (Reply 82):
Amtrak Cascades Talgo (between Portland/Eugene and Seattle)

I've always loved how funny those tiny Talgo cars look when sandwiched between those huge Amtrak diesel locos...

Do they mostly do regional trips or do they also do some 'long haul' stuff as well?
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Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:36 am

I'm shocked and disappointed in MYT332's lack of input into this thread. It must be totally killing him.. I'm sure he is just biding his time though.... Anyway....

We used to have these:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/3810_arriving_at_London_Waterloo.jpg

and now we have these:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/375609_at_London_Victoria.jpg
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Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:22 am

This is the VIP transport from a local narrow-gauge excursion line in the Oslo-area...



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Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:16 am

My local trains...



Foxy's favourite...
http://www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/uploadedImages/Image_Galleries/rail_enthusiasts/142082%202%20at%20Ctn%20060607%20MM.JPG

http://www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/uploadedImages/Image_Galleries/rail_enthusiasts/143s%20CDQ%2028-06-06.jpg

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Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:32 am



Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 88):
This is the VIP transport from a local narrow-gauge excursion line in the Oslo-area...

I take it that's the "Grande Luxe" version? Big grin

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 85):
Danish InterCity train (IC3)

It's interesting to see the variety of different trains around the world. Some look cool, while others look really strange (to me anyway). But, this Danish train is really weird. What is that black thing on the front, a rubber bull-bar so it bounces off anything it hits?

Anyway, here are a couple more of the Light Rail (Tram) in Sydney. It is a different (and private) company to the trains.



 
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Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:26 am



Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 90):
But, this Danish train is really weird. What is that black thing on the front, a rubber bull-bar so it bounces off anything it hits?

The rubber nose (also used in Belgium, see my reply 34) is for use in trains with multiple coupled EMUs. When two EMUs are coupled, the entire driver's cab (the entire yellow part on the Belgian ones / black on the Danish) swings inward, and is 'stored' into the side wall, creating a wide passage between the different EMUs. The big rubber nose acts as a seal between the two EMUs.
 
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Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:32 am

I use those on a regular basis:
The Berlin S-Bahn
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/S-Bahn_Berlin_Baureihe_481.jpg/800px-S-Bahn_Berlin_Baureihe_481.jpg

and the Regionalbahn
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Regionalbahn_27.jpg/800px-Regionalbahn_27.jpg



In my hometown Potsdam we have also this (Combino Tram)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/PotsdamTram1.jpg/800px-PotsdamTram1.jpg

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 7):
Ottawa's small light rail line, the O-Train:


It looks alot like our the Bombardier BR 644 Talent which is often seen over here.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/644_557.jpg/800px-644_557.jpg

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Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:33 am



Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 90):
I take it that's the "Grande Luxe" version?

Yes! This is how the paying passengers ride:



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Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:39 am



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 91):
The rubber nose (also used in Belgium, see my reply 34).............

Thanks Scorpio, it makes sense now.  Wink I did say earlier that I'm not really a "commuter in the know" so not up to scratch on ALL things railway.
 
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Quoting KPWM (Reply 84):
I love those street cars of Portland, OR. They fit right in to the city. When I rode on them, They were very nice and clean too.

Amongst midsize US cities, Portland has been way ahead of the curve when it comes to rail transportation. It's a big investment, but it appears to be money well spent.

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 86):
I've always loved how funny those tiny Talgo cars look when sandwiched between those huge Amtrak diesel locos...

Do they mostly do regional trips or do they also do some 'long haul' stuff as well?

In the US, Talgos are used exclusively in the Cascade Corridor (Vancouver, BC - Seattle - Portland - Salem - Eugene). Total disrtance is 467 miles (752 km).
 
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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos