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Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:09 am

She's in the rock n roll hall of fame now. I hope Pavarotti gets in next year.  Yeah sure

These things are nothing but popularity contests trying to bring in ratings now a days. Madonna in rock? I think that its very fitting that Justin Timberlake is the one to give her the award. Neither have any business being there.

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=304814
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:47 am



Quoting Fumanchewd (Thread starter):
She's in the rock n roll hall of fame now. I hope Pavarotti gets in next year. Yeah sure

These things are nothing but popularity contests trying to bring in ratings now a days. Madonna in rock? I think that its very fitting that Justin Timberlake is the one to give her the award. Neither have any business being there.

All depends on how you define rock 'n roll. You listen to any of the many 'Soft Rock'/'Easy Rock'/Golden Oldies Rock'/yadda yadda stations, and they are all completely different sounds, but the stations all with a straight face promote them as 'rock'. It is totally subjective.

Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone may not be outstanding at any one or more of: singing / songwriting / dancing / acting but she is outstanding at self-promotion and re-inventing herself on a regular basis. I doubt we've sse or heard the last of her, even at 50.
 
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Quoting Fumanchewd (Thread starter):
These things are nothing but popularity contests trying to bring in ratings now a days.

Ummm...Duh! They were never anything but.  Yeah sure
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:01 pm

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was originally conceived to recognize those who have made a lasting, important, influential contribution to 'popular' music, mostly within the rock genre. Madonna, who can sing just about as well as Paula Abdul, doesn't belong there. It's as much of a farce as John Cougar Mellancamp's induction last year.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:34 pm



Quoting Fumanchewd (Thread starter):
I hope Pavarotti gets in next year.

Check out his Pavarotti and Friends albums you'd be surprised at some of them.
He probably shoud get in considering some that have been nominated and/or accepted.

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Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:45 pm

As much as I like Madonna I agree with the above that she doesn't not belong there. I also agree with the comment about Justin Timberlake.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:47 pm

My uncle's favorite "rock and roll" album is "The Boston Pops Performs the Beatles." So perhaps next year Arthur Fiedler should get the nod.  rotfl 
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:04 pm

Madonna rules.

She belongs in every hall of fame there is.

She's a Goddess and a Queen.

Rock and roll is an attitude and a feeling as much as it is about music, and Madonna has been Rocking and Rolling my world ever since I can remember.

OK, I'm done.  Smile
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Quoting KLMA330 (Reply 7):
She belongs in every hall of fame there is.

Are you nuts?

 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:32 pm



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 3):
those who have made a lasting, important, influential contribution to 'popular' music

That is so unbelievably subjective that you could never set guidelines that would please anyone.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:55 pm



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 1):
All depends on how you define rock 'n roll.

The hell it does.

Even in a world like music, where genres often blend together, cross over and cross-pollinate via other influences, there is no way, shape or form in my and many others opinions that Madonna resembles anything like rock n roll. There’s NO connection. None of her music has any leanings or influences from rock, blues, old R&B, or anything other than modern pop music.

If you think there are rock influences, I’d like to see you try to drive a chart or hierarchy off that!
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:01 pm

Next thing you know Jethro Tull will win a heavy metal Grammy over Metallica.


Oh wait, that did happen, My bad.



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Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 11):
Next thing you know Jethro Tull will win a heavy metal Grammy over Metallica.


Oh wait, that did happen, My bad.

 rotfl 

Ian Anderson was surprised that they were even nominated and even more surprised to win the award. That is why they didn't even bother showing up.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 3):
It's as much of a farce as John Cougar Mellencamp's induction last year.

What was wrong with that?
He is much better than that over-hyped, fake blue-collar rock guy from Asbury Park, NJ.  duck 
 
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Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 3):
It's as much of a farce as John Cougar Mellancamp's induction last year.

I guess you don't remember the 80's. He was a BIG rock star.

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Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:10 pm



Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 13):
I guess you don't remember the 80's. He [John Cougar Mellencamp] was a BIG rock star.

Big rock star is not the same thing as having an influential role in the devlopment of rock and roll as a genre. There are any number of big artists who sold milions of albums whose music, nonetheless, was derivative and un-original. Take for example Blue Öyster Cult. Here is a band that was musically accomplished, sold many albums, had a large fan base, and is associated with some well-known songs that continue to receive radio air play today. I personally like Blue Öyster Cult and think the band's musicality often is overlooked. But as bands go, it was one of many mainline rock bands of the 1970s and 1980s that were exemplary of the genre but were not what one would consider pioneers, and therefore probably do not meet the criteria for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Now, as for Madonna, she definitely is an iconic figure in popular music and helped influence the subsequent developmemt of pop. But I tend to agree with others that she is not exactly what one would consider a rock and roll artist. That's my humble opinion.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:34 pm



Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 14):
having an influential role in the devlopment of rock and roll as a genre

I'm not a big Mellencamp fan, however, he did have a huge influence on the music of the 80's. He was like a Dylan of the 80's. Between the folk/blues style that he injected into the mainstream, and the Farm aid concerts he did, he changed what rock was and stood for. Not too many bands/people can say that.

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Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:40 pm



Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 13):
I guess you don't remember the 80's. He was a BIG rock star.

I remember the 80's quite clearly, but...

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 14):
Big rock star is not the same thing as having an influential role in the devlopment of rock and roll as a genre.

 checkmark  He wrote a few good songs, and I like some of his stuff, but nothing he did was groundbreaking or innovative. It was just different to what else was around at the time. When I listen to what I have of his catalog, which is most of his mainstream hits and a few of his lesser known songs, what I hear is an adaptation of stuff that was done years before by the likes of Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles etc. He didn't inject Blues or Folk in to the mainstream, he just took what was already there and put it in his own songs.

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 15):
he changed what rock was and stood for

In what way? Can you give a 'before Mellancamp' and 'after Mellandcamp' description?
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:40 pm



Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 15):
he did have a huge influence on the music of the 80's. He was like a Dylan of the 80's. Between the folk/blues style that he injected into the mainstream, and the Farm aid concerts he did, he changed what rock was and stood for. Not too many bands/people can say that.

 checkmark 
Also worth noting, he didn't conform to the styles of the 1980s and didn't rely on drum machines and synthesizers which so many other bands did in the 1980s.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:51 pm

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 1):
All depends on how you define rock 'n roll. You listen to any of the many 'Soft Rock'/'Easy Rock'/Golden Oldies Rock'/yadda yadda stations, and they are all completely different sounds, but the stations all with a straight face promote them as 'rock'. It is totally subjective.

Fu's rules of R&R

1. Rock and Roll groups have members that play their own music. Madonna has had artists play on her albums but none are "in her group". At least one instrument must be a guitar. (or a chain saw)  Wow!

2. The music must have blues and folk influences without being country. Much popular country nowadays is just pop with a hick singing on it. Gimme some Clint, Willie, or Cash and that's good country.

3. Rock and Roll artists are not allowed to have more than 10% of their live shows include back-up dancers. On rare interest, in the name of art, bands such as Pink Floyd may utilize the back up dancers. However, by my very scientific calculations  , over 75% of Madonna's shows include men dressed in black (socks stuffed in spandex) erotically dancing as though they were stripping for George Clooney.

4. A real Rock and Roll Artist must write their best songs.
Madonna did not write her most popular hits "Holiday," "Borderline," "Papa Don't Preach," "Like a Virgin" or "Material Girl." (For "Borderline," one of Madonna's first hits, Reggie Lucas actually just cannibalized another of his hits, Stephanie Mills' "Never Knew Love Like This Before." They are almost interchangeable.) On most others, like "Into the Groove" and "Like a Prayer," she shared credit with at least one songwriter.

Only one track of the 17 on Madonna's greatest hits album, "The Immaculate Collection," issued in 1990, is credited solely to her: "Lucky Star." Of the other 16, five lack her name completely. The other 11 are collaborations, with two of them getting only "additional lyrics" by Madonna, thus diminishing her cut of the profits.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121045,00.html

I do realize that some bands, such as the Beatles, started down the path of breaking rule #4. However, the Beatles and every other great band wrote a MAJORITY of their hits. The Beatles started out being a boy band and became their own rock band. Madonna didn't write her biggest hits.

I like many of Madonna's songs and she is certainly one of the most influencial artists of the 80's and 90's, but she is not Rock and Roll. Same with Justin.

There are some bands on the edge that meet my requirements. I would say bands like Men At Work and the Police are very "pop" yet they meet my requirements and rock. Argue if you must.  

Quoting KLMA330 (Reply 7):
Rock and roll is an attitude and a feeling as much as it is about music, and Madonna has been Rocking and Rolling my world ever since I can remember.

signed,
Milly Vanilly



[Edited 2008-03-12 11:57:56]
 
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Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 18):
,signed
Milly Vanilly

 rotfl 

"We sing our own songs."

 highfive 
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:57 pm

Fumanchewd:
I agree with you but keep in mind, Elvis Presley only wrote 7 songs in his entire life. The Rolling Stones started off as a cover band. Today when they play in concert, they have a back up band playing their music. They are just corpse being propped up holding their guitars and mumbling in to a microphone. Yet people will spend over $1000 for a ticket.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:58 pm



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 16):
In what way? Can you give a 'before Mellancamp' and 'after Mellandcamp' description?

Just a personal opinion, He made "mainstream" radio take notice that "rock" can have a more Folk/Blues sound to it. Opened up radio to a lot more "other" types of rock I.E. Stevie Ray Vaughan, Stray Cats, and many more. He also shown that rockers do care about the "working" man with Farm Aid.

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Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:04 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
Elvis Presley only wrote 7 songs in his entire life. The Rolling Stones started off as a cover band.

That's true. There are exceptions that must be discussed. However, although Elvis was a walking cover band, he introduced the blues to whitey, thereby creating Rock and Roll. The king gets a free pass.

As for the Stones, most of the good rock bands in the 60's and 70's including Led Zeppelin and Clapton took many songs and sounds from blues songs. Blues and country/folk are the mommy and daddy to R&R. Stones, Led, and the Beatles didn't make much of their own music at first, but they all grew into their own and made many, many, many highly successful songs on their own.

For that matter, even the blues song's they copied were played very differently. "You shook me all night long" by Led on Led I was a blues cover, as was most of the album. However the song was very different from the original in many regards and the album as a whole was one of the first to be considered "heavy".

As we all know, Led would write most of their later songs.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:24 pm

Fumanchewd:
Led Zeppelin is simply a f--king kick a$$, awesome rock group period. They are Gods and one of the most sophisticated rock groups ever. Same for Rush.
They had their influences but turned it in to something of their own.
Those bands deserve praise.
As for Crapton and the Stones, they are simpletons in my opinion. Throw in Springsteen in to the simpleton bin as well.
 
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:39 pm



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 18):
Fu's rules of R&R

1. Rock and Roll groups have members that play their own music. Madonna has had artists play on her albums but none are "in her group". At least one instrument must be a guitar. (or a chain saw) Wow!

2. The music must have blues and folk influences without being country. Much popular country nowadays is just pop with a hick singing on it. Gimme some Clint, Willie, or Cash and that's good country.

yadda yadda

And all those 'Pop rock' AM stations ? It all depends on how you look at it. As the English say, potatos, potaatos.

You have your view, I have mine. They don't have to be congruent.
 
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Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 24):


And all those 'Pop rock' AM stations ? It all depends on how you look at it

For me its simple. Dido is awesome but breaks rule #2 and may not be included.

Enya breaks all the rules, and while good is not R&R.

I reluctantly admit that Dave Matthews is R&R. He has some slow crap but does have some rock.

Lay me on some brother, and we'll discuss their rockness.  Wink
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:38 am



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 25):
Lay me on some brother, and we'll discuss their rockness.

How about KISS? Lots of "flash", crappy songs. Great show, lots of $$$$$ made. R&R all the way.

Billy Joel? Goes from piano songs to hard rock, is he R&R?

Wierd Al? Ripped off all his songs but nobody is untouchable. is there a humorous R&R?

I could go on, but lets start with those 3.


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Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:50 am



Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 11):
Grammy over Metallica.

Dude the last Metallica album was AWFUL... I love them but the Robert sucks and they should have never forced Jason out of the band...


As for the thread starter- Madonna in the RN'R HOF.... I'm nuetral on this. She is one hell of an artist with a lot of talent, but she does pop music, not "Rock N' Roll" per se.

I'd like to see Marilyn Manson put in right next to her  Wink
 
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Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 15):
I'm not a big Mellencamp fan, however, he did have a huge influence on the music of the 80's. He was like a Dylan of the 80's.

The mere mention of Dylan and John Cougar Menstrualcramp in the same sentence has earned you a musical fatwah for all of eternity.
 
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Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 26):
How about KISS?

I personally hate KISS and would like to see all of its members being torn apart by small, republican, diseased sharks. Yet that is my, and your, own personal opinion and is not conducive to the millions of sold rock albums. Suck it up, dork.

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 26):
Billy Joel? Goes from piano songs to hard rock, is he R&R?

Have you never heard of Jerry Lee Lewis, the epitome of Rock and Roll?

My vote is yes for both!



Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 26):
Wierd Al? Ripped off all his songs but nobody is untouchable. is there a humorous R&R?

Come on! You can do better than these three.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:12 am



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 25):
For me its simple. Dido is awesome but breaks rule #2 and may not be included.

Enya breaks all the rules, and while good is not R&R.

I reluctantly admit that Dave Matthews is R&R. He has some slow crap but does have some rock.

Lay me on some brother, and we'll discuss their rockness. Wink

So then Joe Jackson isn't a rocker (no guitar) ? In fact, Mr. Jackson has been quoted several times as saying "the guitar is the most over-used instrument in pop music". I tend to agree.

Check him out, very tight outfit.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:44 am



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 29):
Suck it up, dork.

Boy, you sure have a way with words, glad to see that in the young people of today.  Yeah sure

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 29):
Come on! You can do better than these three.

I was just throwing out 3.

Elton John?

STYX?

JOURNEY?

Billy Idol?

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 29):
I personally hate KISS

Ok, but should they be in the R&R HoF? Of course they should. Late 70's they were R&R. Some will say they still are.

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Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 27):
Dude the last Metallica album was AWFUL... I love them but the Robert sucks and they should have never forced Jason out of the band...

Sprout5199 was referring to the 1989 Grammy Awards when Metallica was passed up for the hard rock/heavy metal awards in favor of Jethro Tull.
That was before Metallica started to suck with their 'Loads' of crap.

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 28):
The mere mention of Dylan and John Cougar Menstrualcramp in the same sentence has earned you a musical fatwah for all of eternity.

Now wait a minute.
John Cougar Mellencamp is one of the best American singer/songwriters and very much under-rated. I would certainly put him in the same league as Bob Dylan.

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 29):
I personally hate KISS and would like to see all of its members being torn apart by small, republican, diseased sharks.

Oh come on. show some respect for KISS.
They are a very fun band and they are the most honest rock group ever. They don't hide why they are in the entertainment business. They will tell you straight up that they are in it for the money and the chicks. Their music about sex, fun & rock & roll. They are the pure essence of rock. They are rock Gods!
Some bands pretend to have a political cause ***cough cough U2 & REM*** and are really just untalented attention whores ***U2 & REM*** but KISS on the other hand is honest about why they are in the business.
KISS are hardcore hedonist and I can respect that.
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:17 pm



Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 31):
Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 29):
Suck it up, dork.

Boy, you sure have a way with words, glad to see that in the young people of today.

Sorry! Waayy too many Blue Moons last night.  Wow!

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 31):
Elton John?

STYX?

JOURNEY?

Billy Idol?

Yes to all. Piano can definitely be R&R

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 30):
So then Joe Jackson isn't a rocker (no guitar) ? In

IMO he is country pop.

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 31):
Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 29):
I personally hate KISS

Ok, but should they be in the R&R HoF? Of course they should. Late 70's they were R&R.

Sorry, I meant to add that although I despise KISS, they are definitely R&R.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 32):
Oh come on. show some respect for KISS.

I will not give them respect but will acquiesce their R&R.  Smile
 
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Before I post my other comments, I guess the biggest question I have to ask in the midst of this debate is this: what criteria does the Rock and Roll HOF use for induction?

Whatever they are, it’s not necessarily a cogent “definition” per se of what rock and roll is, I think we can all agree on that much. Is it influence? Number of hits? Longevity? Hair length? Notoriety or infamy?

I mean, we are ultimately dealing with the personal subjectivity of music tastes and preferences to some extent, even though there are some clear guidelines of what rock and roll is. I may not have a list of rules like Fu (although I agree with many of those!) but it’s like pornography—I know it when I see it and know what it ISN’T as well (Madonna).

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 15):
I'm not a big Mellencamp fan, however, he did have a huge influence on the music of the 80's.

He absolutely did- Farm Aid…major political and musical event. Major cultural impact, not to mention his songwriting. The whole “roots rock” genre was really carried along by him in many ways at a time when fake synth pop was taking over and music videos came of age.

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 18):
Fu's rules of R&R

Classic! Some of those are hilarious and true. No dancers!

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 22):
There are exceptions that must be discussed. However, although Elvis was a walking cover band, he introduced the blues to whitey, thereby creating Rock and Roll. The king gets a free pass.

And look at the 2 most influential founders of rock—Elvis and Chuck Berry. Polar opposites. Elvis was a white kid acting black and bringing southern black music to whites. Chuck Berry was black singing about normal white kids and stuff. I know that’s an oversimplification, and since I love Chuck I could elaborate but will wait for now.

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 22):
including Led Zeppelin and Clapton took many songs and sounds from blues songs. Blues and country/folk are the mommy and daddy to R&R

Don’t forget that beyond simply being “influenced” by the blues, Zep also patently blindly ripped off Willie Dixon. But Clapton, Mayall, and the British Invasion had more ties to American blues than many American artists at the time---their influence can NEVER be over-estimated.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
Fumanchewd:
Led Zeppelin is simply a f--king kick a$$, awesome rock group period. They are Gods and one of the most sophisticated rock groups ever. Same for Rush.
They had their influences but turned it in to something of their own.
Those bands deserve praise.
As for Crapton and the Stones, they are simpletons in my opinion. Throw in Springsteen in to the simpleton bin as well.

Rush is totally original. Love them. Zep and Clapton have one thing in common—they became SO big that it became tough to even discuss them objectively. Personally, I think Clapton was overrated for many years but he has finally grown into his outsized reputation over the past decade because he returned to the blues and is carrying the torch.
 
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Quoting Slider (Reply 34):
I think Clapton was overrated for many years

Agreed.
I haven't bothered checking out his new stuff. Then again, I am not in to blues but I respect it. Yes they did rip off Willie Dixon in the early years but as you mentioned, grew in to their own.
Led Zeppelin and The Beatles are probably the only two bands that deserved all the hype they received.
They are incredible bands.
When Rush first started, some critics wrote them off as a Led Zeppelin rip off.
 
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):


Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 11):
Next thing you know Jethro Tull will win a heavy metal Grammy over Metallica.


Oh wait, that did happen, My bad.


Ian Anderson was surprised that they were even nominated and even more surprised to win the award. That is why they didn't even bother showing up.

Well, the flute is made out of metal  Silly

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 26):

Billy Joel? Goes from piano songs to hard rock, is he R&R?

There is no doubt that he is rock and roll

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 26):

Wierd Al? Ripped off all his songs but nobody is untouchable. is there a humorous R&R?

Weird Al deserves it simply for his genius in turning songs into comedy.

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 27):

Dude the last Metallica album was AWFUL...

St. Anger did suck. Hopefully, they are done with Bob Rock and will never again do an album without solos.

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 27):
I love them but the Robert sucks and they should have never forced Jason out of the band...

Newstead wasn't forced out, he left because he wanted to be on the road all the time. Anyway, Trujillo is a fine bassist, the problem was the songwriting and producing.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 32):

That was before Metallica started to suck with their 'Loads' of crap.

"Load" and "Reload" are highly underrated.
 
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Quoting Slider (Reply 34):
Chuck Berry was black singing about normal white kids and stuff. I know that’s an oversimplification, and since I love Chuck I could elaborate but will wait for now.

Absolutely, how could I forget Chuck?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
Led Zeppelin and The Beatles are probably the only two bands that deserved all the hype they received.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. When people ask me which I like better, I have to pause.

Led Zep was able to play soooo many types of songs. On Led Zep I it was some hard ass blues that some attribute as having characteristics of the first heavy metal album. Led Zep II was a mix of blues and experimentation. Led Zep III was amazing to me. Some hard core instrumental blues such as "since I've been loving you" mixed in with country "gallows pole" and celtic influenced "Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp". It really showed their diversity. Led IV was just so different from anything that had everbeen done and it was incredible. Physical Graffiti and Houses of the Holy were good as well. I for one can't believe that they had awesome material that wasn't even released until the box set. "Hey hey, what can I do" is one of their best songs and wasn't released until the 90's! By the time I was in 7th grade, I already had every album on cd and cds had only come out a few years beforehand. I had to hide my Black Sabbath albums as my dad would throw them out whenever he found them.  

The Beatles on the other had were so sophisticated that at first I didn't like them. I still don't like the boy band crap from the first couple of albums such as "love me do". Their later stuff after they got into their own song writing was earth changing. The white album and sgt. pepper have so much genius and groundbreaking innovation, it really is something you could talk about for hours.

I honestly love both bands, but if someone were to put a gun to my head I would choose Led Zeppelin. IMO, they had more good songs per album than any band in history.

I like Rush as well but they've had, what-20 something albums? To put it nicely, I think that they could have cut that down to 10.

[Edited 2008-03-13 12:09:51]
 
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 32):

Sprout5199 was referring to the 1989 Grammy Awards when Metallica was passed up for the hard rock/heavy metal awards in favor of Jethro Tull.
That was before Metallica started to suck with their 'Loads' of crap.

My apologizes....Then damn that's when Metallica was the best...
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:19 pm

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 33):
Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 30):
So then Joe Jackson isn't a rocker (no guitar) ? In

IMO he is country pop.

Sorry Connies, I thought you meant Alan Jackson!  Wow!

For penitence I will post his best know song and let others decide if he is R&R as I can't decide. Also, "Is she really going out with him" is definitely a rock song. Here is an ambiguous song though. He definitley has a driving bass that's very bluesy. The piano is great and I love the song.



I am inclined to say yes. He plays the music, writes it, and I see no stuffing back up dancers.

[Edited 2008-03-13 12:20:42]
 
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Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 37):
I like Rush as well but they've had, what-20 something albums? To put it nicely, I think that they could have cut that down to 10.

WHAT?!?!?!  Wow!

If you made that comment at a Rush fan site, you'd have to hire bodyguards!  rotfl 

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 38):
My apologizes....Then damn that's when Metallica was the best...

I agree.
..and Justice For All and Master Of Puppets were their best albums. As silly as this sounds, I think they lost their creativity when they cut their hair.
 
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
As silly as this sounds, I think they lost their creativity when they cut their hair.

I agree to a point. Load was alright (King Nothing, Until it Sleeps and Turn the Page). Beyond that they sucked. They really lost intensity and became too business like after the Black album.
 
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
fake blue-collar rock guy from Asbury Park, NJ.

He may have lousy political-leanings, he may have the second-most gravelly singing voice since Rod Stewart, but the one Springsteen is not is fake...

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 37):
Rush

That guy hit puberty about twenty years too late  wink 

Tom at MSY
 
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Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 42):
He may have lousy political-leanings, he may have the second-most gravelly singing voice since Rod Stewart, but the one Springsteen is not is fake...

I think the total opposite. I love Springsteen's politics but I can't stand his music.
 
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Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 42):
Rod Stewart

There's one I can't stand. He only has one decent song.



Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
WHAT?!?!?!

If you made that comment at a Rush fan site, you'd have to hire bodyguards!

Yeah, I know. I never say that infront of strangers since the "incident".


At least they aren't like the Ramones. 30 albums and three good songs.   

[Edited 2008-03-13 13:22:41]
 
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Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 44):
There's one I can't stand. He only has one decent song.

Give his a little bit more credit.

The Rod Stewart songs I like are;
Do Ya Think I am Sexy?
Maggie May
Tonight's The Night
Drift Away
Young Hearts
 
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 45):
Do Ya Think I am Sexy?

Its ok. Whenever I hear that song I think of Nel Carter singing it on that sitcom she was on in the 80's, Gimme A Break.

Why don't you give me a piece of the caaayaaake,
Give me a break!

 Smile

I respect the man buy he reminds me of a girl I used to hate in high school.
 
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Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 46):
I respect the man buy he reminds me of a girl I used to hate in high school.

LOL!  Silly
 
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:27 pm



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 39):
Sorry Connies, I thought you meant Alan Jackson! Wow!

For penitence I will post his best know song and let others decide if he is R&R as I can't decide. Also, "Is she really going out with him" is definitely a rock song. Here is an ambiguous song though. He definitley has a driving bass that's very bluesy. The piano is great and I love the song.

And well you might be !!!  Big grin

The driving bass is courtesy Graham Mabey, who's been working with Joe from the start.
 
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
They are just corpse being propped up holding their guitars and mumbling in to a microphone.

If you check footage of recent concerts (I had a preview of Scorcese's Shine a Light), you know that they make their own music. Why is this crap gossip turning up everytime? Do you have sources for that?
I still think they are amazing live act. Keith and Ronnie have never been good guitar players but as a band, and considering they are around for 46 years, it's just as good a rock 'n' roll band as you can get. I have to admit they fail to make "great" songs in the second half of their carreer, but combined with their earlier song book and continued live performance, I think if there is anyone in the Rock an Roll hall of Fame, it should be them.

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