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Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:05 pm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/W...ts_to_Cuba/articleshow/3261304.cms

The great and stupid idea to install an anti-missile-shield in Eastern Europe did of course finally provoke the expected answer from Moscow..
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:31 pm

um, didn't we do this already?
 
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:06 pm

I thought the news is only some hours old..
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:13 pm

The Missile shield is hardly a 'stupid' idea. Who knows what jerkwater country might lob at US forces, and I'm glad we are finally working towards a real ABM solution. Have you forgotten how ineffective our Patriot ABM solution was in the first Gulf War?

The Missile shield is hardly a threat to Moscow..They are just posturing pure and simple. Moscow has submarines that can fire nukes at the US from pretty much any point in the world. They also have plenty of land based missiles to negate the 10 or so interceptors the US plans on having.

Moscow also has the newest variant of their Topol-M ICBM which has maneuverable warheads. All of these can easily defeat the current US system which is really made to intercept any Nodong and Shahab missiles from our North Korean and Iranian friends.

This is BS on Moscow's part pure and simple. They are just looking for something to make noise about and remind the world that they are still relevant..Considering they are dusting off their 20+ yr old tanks and planes at the moment, the US has nothing to worry about.

However, I'll be worried when Russia starts cranking out new military hardware..

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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:13 pm



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 2):
I thought the news is only some hours old..

Scrubbs is referring to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

If Russia would like to get into another Cold War, their initial position is even weaker than it was last time.

Nobody is going to fire a missile or drop a bomb. It's just going to be a lot of posturing.
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:52 pm

What threat is that, the United States has their own base on Cuban soil (Guantanamo Bay). A Patriot missile battery could be based at Guantanamo and Key West to totally negate any air threat the Russians would ever be stupid enough to try. Not only that but an Artillery Fires Brigade could also be sent to Guantanamo, they could shell any airfield at a moments notice the Russians would use.
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:55 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
If Russia would like to get into another Cold War, their initial position is even weaker than it was last time.

they would just dust off their FOBS capability and escalate the whole affair to a level that all of a sudden makes the u.s. attempts at abm and spacewarware rather "weak", especially comparing the necessary resources to achieve any sort of operational availability.
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:58 pm

This is a lot of  hissyfit 

Just hot air.



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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:40 pm

Just patrol a couple AEGIS ships down there, should be able to take care of any bombers and cruise missiles coming out of Cuba.
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:18 pm

I get the idea Cuba is now more interested in warming with the US rather than going back to the Cold War.
 
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:04 pm



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 8):
Just patrol a couple AEGIS ships down there, should be able to take care of any bombers and cruise missiles coming out of Cuba.

Assuming they can tell the difference between a Russian bomber and an American Airlines A300.  duck 
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:10 pm



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
Assuming they can tell the difference between a Russian bomber and an American Airlines A300.   

Not always the case, is it?

Well, wake me up when Russia actually places bombers in Cuba.

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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:29 pm

Oh dear, dejavu strikes again. I'm not at all surprised though, you could see this one coming a mile away  Yeah sure
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:19 pm



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
American Airlines A300

Eh, those things are needing to be retired anyhow.
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:25 pm



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 2):
I thought the news is only some hours old..

It's some decades' old, Beaucaire.  Smile The Russians tried this shit in 1962, and almost got the world into a nuclear holocaust. And if they try it again, the U.S. will rightly act the way it did in 1962.

I'm sure Kennedy and Krsuchchev are both in their graves, saying "Assholes, don't they ever learn"?
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:36 pm

I love the smell of inflated ego's in the evening. And I'm not talking about the ruskies' egos.
 
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:43 pm



Quoting Acheron (Reply 15):
I love the smell of inflated ego's in the evening. And I'm not talking about the ruskies' egos.

Then you must be referring to that of Cubans.
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:56 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 14):
And if they try it again, the U.S. will rightly act the way it did in 1962.

Great stuff, except this time around, the Russians won't let it be secret that the US removed missiles from Turkey like they did in 1962.
 
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:18 pm



Quoting Soyuzavia (Reply 17):
Great stuff, except this time around, the Russians won't let it be secret that the US removed missiles from Turkey like they did in 1962.

Nevertheless, if they think they'll be able to put strategic bombers in Cuba, they're nuts. And if Cuba does this, they're more insane than the Russians. Nice way to bring an end to the slow thaw that is starting to happen in U.S-Cuban relations.
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:22 pm

Did anyone actually read the linked article...

Cuba should be used "not as a permanent base - this is unnecessary - but as a stopover airfield, a refuelling stop," Ivashov was quoted as saying.

Big fuss over some refuelling stop? Aren't there more important things to be worrying about...
 
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:18 pm

I read it National757, and saw read it exactly as it is written. But what a refuelling stop it would be, it could come in very very handy if the Russians take up Chavez's offer he made 2 days ago; that offer of course being for bases for Russia in Venezuela; albeit it unlikely they will take him up on the offer.

Anyway, even if the Tu-95 and Tu-160s were based in Cuba, the US has nothing to worry about. Comments such as this (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aCEyhnlMZgls&refer=latin_america) from US generals are a complete over-reaction; the bombers wouldn't be in Cuba to target the US, but to deter rogue states from targetting Russia and its interests. With Jamaica recently testing a ballistic Mentos Diet Coke rocket with a range of 50 metres, and with Antigua secretly pursuing a nuclear weapons program, these rogue states need to be deterred. Hmmm....not believable? It's more believable than all of the shit that has been pumped out of Washington in the last 8 years.

The time for rogue states acting unilaterally without regard for other nations concerns (repeated and quite vocal concerns) has come to an end. Russia sees actions by the US to be provocative and a serious threat to their national security and they have the right to respond accordingly. Just how would all the arm-chair generals here interpret the fact that Lithuania has offered to host the sites if the Polish deal falls thru. Don't tell me this isn't aimed squarely at Russia.

Here's an interesting read from a former Slovak PM, he tells it exactly how it is.....

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080716/114072528.html
 
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:56 am



Quoting Soyuzavia (Reply 20):
Just how would all the arm-chair generals here interpret the fact that Lithuania has offered to host the sites if the Polish deal falls thru. Don't tell me this isn't aimed squarely at Russia.

Notice you said that Lithuania has offered.

Gee...

Quoting Acheron (Reply 15):
I love the smell of inflated ego's in the evening. And I'm not talking about the ruskies' egos.

Might have more to do with the fact that the nations once brutally enslaved by the Russians are now enjoying the opportunity to bruise some Ruskie ego.

Next time, don't treat your neighbors like human shields.  Yeah sure You bet that countries like Poland, the Czech Republic, and Lithuania are aiming right at Russia. And Russia only has itself to blame for it.

As far as the US's intentions, 10 interceptor missiles. Count 'em, 10. Putin has been handed a useful politiking tool, and little else.

And contrary to your sad little satire, Soyuzavia, Antiqua has never openly professed to wiping a whole nation off of the Earth. That means something coming from a guy who hate's Bush's foreign policy.

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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:33 am

Castro's legacy is still giving the US headaches and stirring up the worst in the neighborhood after 50 years. That's what's happening.

Hugo Chavez, the dictator/comedian, proclaims "Fidel is our father here on earth" (borrowing the Bible verse) and goes on a $30000-million shopping spree to Russia for military arsenal while people in his socialist paradise are having trouble finding food.

As if we hadn't enough, newly elected-Paraguayan president in his inaugural speech proclaims his alliance to Chavez.
 
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:35 am



Quoting Soyuzavia (Reply 20):
Here's an interesting read from a former Slovak PM, he tells it exactly how it is...

Carnogursky is an idiot. Simple as that. Because only an idiot would present Benes' failed concept of foreign policy (failed twice in a decade) as something worth following.
To refresh the memory for those not so familiar with the name: Benes is the coward who allied Czechoslovakia failed as leader in 1938 and surrendered to the Munich Treaty without firing a shot, escaping to the UK only to return from exile as a communist puppet, sign nationalization laws and decrees on confiscation of private property and as a naive senile fool paved the way to communist coup in 1948.

Quoting Soyuzavia (Reply 20):
Don't tell me this isn't aimed squarely at Russia.

Politically? Of course. Given the experience with Russians in the past 80 or so years only the "useful idiots" in the West like Russophile are surprised.
Militarily? Hardly. 10 interseptors do not change anything about Russia's first strike/retaliatory nuclear potential.

Quoting Soyuzavia (Reply 20):
With Jamaica recently testing a ballistic Mentos Diet Coke rocket with a range of 50 metres, and with Antigua secretly pursuing a nuclear weapons program, these rogue states need to be deterred. Hmmm....not believable?

What YOU find believable will most likely be the mirror image of reality.
 
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:20 pm



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 22):
Hugo Chavez, the dictator/comedian, proclaims "Fidel is our father here on earth" (borrowing the Bible verse) and goes on a $30000-million shopping spree to Russia for military arsenal while people in his socialist paradise are having trouble finding food.

Far from supporting Hugo in his general politics- but would you have placed the same comment if he would have bought American weapons ?
There is a mis-conception that every country that does not automatically allow NATO bases or buys armory somewhere else than in Washington or London is immediately anti - Corn Flakes..
Any country in the world has a right to allow the military of other countries to install bases if this is done on free will and without constraints.
Hugo has offered Putin to base Russian military in Venezuela.So what ?
The US have bases all over the globe and that does not seem to bather most of us- so why should it bather us of the Russian Airforce has a base in Caracas ?
And while it is correct to state that many Venezuelans are poor,that statement is true for an increasing number of Europeans.Each year quite a still to large amount of people die throughout the winters in the streets of Paris ...
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RE: Russia Considering Strategic Bombers In Cuba..

Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:00 pm



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 24):
Far from supporting Hugo in his general politics- but would you have placed the same comment if he would have bought American weapons ?

That scenario wouldn't happen because Hugo is getting weapons precisely to intimidate the US and neighbor (US-ally Colombia). He's the new "Bolivar" and wants to unite Latin America, this time into hating capitalism and "the evil empire"-the US. (he already governs Bolivia and Ecuador behind the scenes).

As a dictator he's the only one who has the money and the absolute power to spend as much as he wishes on weaponswith no one stopping it. As it is right now those weapons have no practical use, and the current Venezuelan military isn't going to obey Chavez into doing something as stupid as invading another country anyways so it's a total waste of money, just to show the world he's got "weapons". However, weapons in the hands of terrorists and other groups (which he supports) become dangerous, right now.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 24):
Hugo has offered Putin to base Russian military in Venezuela.So what ?

..and Cuba. You're asking: So what? Then that means your knowledge/understanding of recent history is very poor.

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