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Civic GX (CNG)

Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:30 pm

Along the lines of this thread: Coverting An Automobile To Natural Gas

Does anyone here have a Civic GX (compressed natural gas)? On paper it looks like a good alternative to the hybrid. Buy a filling pump, whose cost is offset by rebates and tax credits, and you never need to go to a gas station again. That almost sells me right there, forget about the money savings. Of course it doesn't work for long road trips, and the performance isn't too hot, but it's great as a 2nd car.

Version: LX, Hybrid, GX
Price: $18,710, $22,600, $24,590 (tax credits offset fill pump cost)
MPG: 25/36, 40/45, 25/36 (gas gallon equiv.)
Overall MPG: 29, 42, 28
$/100k miles: $14.2k, $9.8k, $5.9k (as per EPA)
Range (miles): 345, 465, 200+
HP: 140, 110, 110

Too bad nobody makes new bi-fuel CNG cars anymore.
 
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:17 pm

Another benefit--- in the U.S., a $4,000 tax credit which I believe is double the credit for a hybrid.
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:51 pm

I might consider dumping my 07 Sentra when I move to California after I graduate at the end of 2009. This is of course, if I can't get my hands on that new FCX Clarity. Too bad the latter is ugly as sin.
 
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:27 pm



Quoting RNOcommctr (Reply 1):
Another benefit--- in the U.S., a $4,000 tax credit which I believe is double the credit for a hybrid.

I think that's what offsets the ~$4000 (?) cost of the CNG filling station (Phill).

Check out the link to the MotorWeek video (link goes to wmv file)
 
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:19 am

They're pretty hard to come by. Especially in Texas. You might have to see if a Honda dealer in California can request one on their next allocation for you.
 
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:24 am



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 4):
They're pretty hard to come by. Especially in Texas.

I recall someone telling me they're limited to NY & CA, but I don't see it on the Honda website.
 
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:30 am



Quoting Analog (Reply 5):
I recall someone telling me they're limited to NY & CA, but I don't see it on the Honda website.

I thought the same thing but I don't sell Hondas anymore and can't look the info up.
 
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:31 pm

I wonder what the range is. The fueleconomy.gov site, on its page for the Civic CNG has two widely differing numbers (333 and 170 miles) on the same page. The Honda site says 220-250 miles.
 
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:44 am

Honestly, I have trouble stroking a check for $24k and only ending up with a Civic. Nice car, but really.
 
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:29 am



Quoting RNOcommctr (Reply 1):
Another benefit--- in the U.S., a $4,000 tax credit which I believe is double the credit for a hybrid.

Research this. Hybrid motor vehicle credit begins to phase out in the second calendar quarter after the calendar quarter in which at least 60,000 of the manufacturer’s qualifying passenger automobiles and light trucks have been sold, It affects a lot of vehicles...but none more than the Prius. Not that anyone buys a car strictly for the credit.....
 
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:00 am



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 8):
Honestly, I have trouble stroking a check for $24k and only ending up with a Civic. Nice car, but really.

Pay half for fuel, refuel at home overnight, (maybe) can use HOV lanes, a possible tax credit...

The thing pays for itself if you keep it for 100k miles (borderline w/o the tax credit). Plus it's kinda cool.

Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 9):
Hybrid motor vehicle credit begins to phase out i

It's not a hybrid... RNOcommctr was saying the $4k tax credit was double the [current] hybrid tax credit.
 
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:44 am

I would have already bought the Civic were it not for that dumb "space craft" front end that they redesigned with the refreshed body style a few years ago. I have driven some schnazzy cars but all I want now is the 96-05 Civic or the 08 Accord.
 
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:13 pm



Quoting Analog (Reply 10):
RNOcommctr was saying the $4k tax credit was double the [current] hybrid tax credit

I was trying express caution in relying on tax credits as a form of ROI. They are fickle.
 
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RE: Civic GX (CNG)

Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:54 pm



Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 12):
I was trying express caution in relying on tax credits as a form of ROI. They are fickle.

One would hope that you're safe if they're in effect when you buy the car.

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