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Medications: Do We Really Need So Many?

Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:47 am

Everyday I see a commercial about medications for stomach aches and colds so I thought about this subject. Medications can cause so many side affects and its not natural. Shouldn't we focus on life-saving medications instead of more pills for treating something small like a cold? And try to think of something natural to treat colds and other small sicknesses. Or just have soup, hot chocolate, or lay in bed instead of taking pills.

Sorry if this has been posted before.
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RE: Medications: Do We Really Need So Many?

Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:04 am



Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
lay in bed instead of taking pills.

This is what I do 99% of the time I get sick. My roommate is a complete pillhead and for the slightest most insignificant things he always has to take some sort of pill. I got a cold right now but Im just taking it easy. Many pills will help with symptoms but whats the point if at the same time most only lower your defenses. Nature invented fever for a reason. By taking a pill to relieve a fever your only making your body into a paradise for whatever virus is in your system.

And don't get me started on antibiotics...
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:04 am

For me it's a matter of age. When I was younger I would take an aspirin for a headache and get antibiotics (in those days penicillin) when I had an infection.

Of course, in those days there was only one chemotherapy drug for cancer - any type of cancer.

Kids with CF were lucky to live 2 or 3 years.

No MRI, CT Scan, PET/CT Scan, etc.

Now I'm older and have to address the issues with growing old. Check out Obstructive Sleep Apnea on Google. It was in the 80's, after my mother died from her second stroke, that a doc in Sydney worked out a simple device to take care of that problem. Now I have OSA and use an autopap to sleep. With a deviated septum I need Breathe Right strips each night as well as Afrin in the "thin side".

Prostate cancer & radiation resulted in the need for other medications, as did Agent Orange from Vietnam.

That leads me to believe there are two areas of increased medication. The first is that there are more tools to diagnose and treat various medical conditions and a growing population in the "old folks" range. That's the good news in terms of treatment.

Then there is the pill business that comes up with products they want to sell for a nice profit, and advertise like mad to the public in all types of media. Some are appropriate for informing the population of their availability. Drugs like Viagra fall into this group. Others, for treating serious medical treatments are a concern to me. I would hate to see someone with a serious condition try to talk the doctor into a prescription they saw on TV. Not a great time to be a doctor in situations like that.
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:05 am

Well sometimes you do need all those medications and sometimes you don't. I think that there are some doctors out there (this is speaking from someone that is going to be one) that over prescribe medications, but yes, some are necessary. HOWEVER, medications should not be something that should be advertised to the regular public like they are advertising DieHard batteries. Deciding on a course of medications for certain diseases or condition should be something determined with a doctor, who can provide proper opinions and education about the treatment in order for the patient to decide. Throwing a vauge set of symptoms only makes some people go to their doctor and demand medications because the TV commercial said that it's right for them.

And btw...there will never be a medication for the common cold. Small viral illnesses are already not medicated, and some small bacterial infections do need antibiotic treatment in order to prevent something worse happening down the line (i.e. Strep Throat in kids).
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:05 am

I think that there are way too many out on the market and much to readily accessible, especially in North America. In Germany for example, you have to go to an actual pharmacy to buy pretty well the simplest cough/cold medications or even aspirin. And as far as side effects go, it seems you just trade in one symptom for another and then you need to take meds for that as well.

And there are so many simple (and less damaging) remedies for the simplest ailments. Upset stomach? Instead of taking Pepto Bismol or Gravol, try a simple shot of Jägermeister. Thats the original purpose for the stuff, its medicinal not just a party drink.

I'm starting to come down with a bit of a cold right now so all I'm doing is taken it easy and made a cup of hot lemon tea with honey. Its not a cure, but neither is NeoCitron.
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RE: Medications: Do We Really Need So Many?

Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:19 am



Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
or lay in bed instead of taking pills.



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 4):
This is what I do 99% of the time I get sick.

In regards to common, less serious illnesses (colds, flu, fever, etc). Rest is the best thing you can do. Let the body fight the virus off, strengthen the immune system and heal itself. Although you may not feel as good as you may if taking meds, but you'll get over it faster.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
Sorry if this has been posted before.

No worries, I'm sure there's a medication for that as well ..... Big grin
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:43 am

We as a society are totally over-medicated.

In every regard.

Period. Part of the sick pathology that says we can take a pill for any malady and be cured. It's bullshit, quite frankly. Time for people to sack up.
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:26 am

It would help if employers didn't frown so much upon even just taking one or two sick days. Many employers demanding a doctors note which is bullshit. Go to a clinic, waste somebody elses time when it's just the common cold?
 
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RE: Medications: Do We Really Need So Many?

Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:19 am



Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 2):
And btw...there will never be a medication for the common cold.

That's a silly thing to say.
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:00 am



Quoting Slider (Reply 6):
We as a society are totally over-medicated.

In every regard.

Period. Part of the sick pathology that says we can take a pill for any malady and be cured. It's bullshit, quite frankly. Time for people to sack up.

Yeah I tend to agree with this.. I watch my doctors office and everytime I am there I see a pharmaceutical salesperson come in and leave. I also had a friend who did this for a while. The pharmaceutical industry has to make their profit somewhere. However, I myself have to take meds because I have asthma and diabetes and high blood pressure. But I try to limit myself to what I need to survive. I guess the biggest abuse of meds is for depression. But I do get sick of the commercials for different drugs on tv..If you listen close the side effects are worse that the problem.
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:10 am

I detest taking medication unless I'm at deaths door. Over the past two years I've seen four different doctors and have been put on numerous steroid sprays and various other pills trying to sort out an inner ear issue I've got. I finally had enough and went back to see another doctor last week and he told me in so many words, "We've run out of ideas with you, we can't personally help you and I'm referring you to a specialist". Basically what that meant then was that I'd been taking a cocktail of various, pointless medications for 24 months that weren't helping me and if they weren't helping me, then what were they doing? Fucking idiots.

Take one of my grandfathers. He had angina and a a few other issues as he got older. In the end he started taking tablets to counteract the effect of the other tablet, I mean what the hell? In the end he got Hodgkins Lymphoma (cancer) and developed pneumonia whilst at Christies Hospital in Manchester. He was left with such a weak immune system from everything over the years that he died alone, on an isolation ward aged 62. Great job NHS.
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:30 am

There is a declared system in over-medication driven by the pharma-lobby.
Here in France TV announces already weeks ahead "the flu is comming,get your shots..","health" magazines over-emphazise the use and utility of medication and leave one prime aspect completely out in the dark- let the body develop immune -systems by being sick from time to time.
Ther's nothing wrong in getting a flu once every three of four years-I haven't had any in more than twenty years,but never ever touched anti-flu shots .
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:36 pm

I had a stomach problem last week and if it wasn't for a certain pill everyday I couldn't have done my job.

I'm a great believer in natural remedies but sometimes you just need a quick fix and get back to work.

I can't imagine getting over a cold or flu without the help of Lemsip.
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RE: Medications: Do We Really Need So Many?

Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:19 pm



Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 8):
That's a silly thing to say.

why is that?
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:05 pm

As long as we have uppers, downers, and levelers, I'm fine.  Smile

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Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:08 pm

I think the drug lobby has made the citizens of the United States into a bunch of pill popping rubes. All these commercials for everything to cure everything while making a person sick at the same time. I have RLS. I didn't even know that was a serious condition until the pill lobby came up with a pill for it and started running commercials. Now, if I tell my doctor and she prescribes the medication, I could end up really, REALLY wanting to gamble or have sex. But, my RLS will be under control. Sally Field takes a pill once a month for her osteoperosis. She could develop hepatitis or kidney failure, but at least she can rest easy knowing she only has to take osteoperosis meds once a month.

Sheesh....

I have told my doctor I am a med minimalist. Just give me meds for what I absolutly have to have and nothing more. The body is an amazing machine and can usually come up with cures on it's own. I have heard taking all sorts of drugs interferes with the body's ability to fight different issues.
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:09 pm



Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 2):
And btw...there will never be a medication for the common cold.

But there are treatments for the symptoms and sometimes that is more important that a cure. In my case it's the need to treat sleep apnea with an autopap EVERY night. A stuffed nose doesn't allow treatment so I'm aggressive in that area. As a soon-to-be doctor (congrats on that!) you're going to face a growing understanding of OSA and it's relationship with everything from strokes to diabetes. A very new field when compared to a lot of specialties and I suspect that you will end up being as aggressive as I am in terms of treating symptoms, especially early on.

For medically fragile patients aggressive treatment early on can also be critical. My wife has acute leukemia (ALL) and minor infections can become a serious problem. For people like her "letting your body take care of the problem' doesn't work.

I agree with you on the advertising. Most of the time it only adds to the cost of the Rx for those that need it and swamps doctors with those that don't need it, but saw it on TV. What a great time to be a doc!
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:22 pm



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16):
But there are treatments for the symptoms and sometimes that is more important that a cure. In my case it's the need to treat sleep apnea with an autopap EVERY night. A stuffed nose doesn't allow treatment so I'm aggressive in that area. As a soon-to-be doctor (congrats on that!) you're going to face a growing understanding of OSA and it's relationship with everything from strokes to diabetes. A very new field when compared to a lot of specialties and I suspect that you will end up being as aggressive as I am in terms of treating symptoms, especially early on.

Of course. I was under the impression with the OP asking why there isn't a cure for the common cold in pill form. It isn't necessary for healthy people.

I'm actually interested in Pulmonary and Sleep Medicine, but that's going to be many years down the road.

Regardless, pill minimalism or not, there are certain things, like you said that people need to be aggressive on. Things like Diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.

One time in the Pediatrics clinic, this mother came in with her child who had a bit of viral pharyngitis, since she didn't have any other signs of something bacterial. After she was told to do the usual home remedies for her child, the mother just went nuts and demanded an antibiotic. Even after the attending pleaded with her saying that antibiotics are useless against a viral illness, the mother got even more angry and started questioning our competence as doctors. Eventually, the doctor gives up and gives something short and in minimal dose. Costs aside, but all of this is bad in terms of resistance.
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:52 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 5):
but you'll get over it faster.

True true.

But alas, last night my sinuses felt light they were gonna explode, so I sucked it up and bought some tylenol, definitely made the night go by more comfortably, but I'm not planning on using another dose unless I feel another imminent explosion.
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:17 pm



Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 17):
I'm actually interested in Pulmonary and Sleep Medicine

Keep a general eye on Sleep Medicine, regardless of what your speciality ends up being. The pap manufacturers provide clinical information on a continuous basis. I use a ResMed autopap so I've been to resmed.com and checked out their clinical information from time to time.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 17):
Eventually, the doctor gives up and gives something short and in minimal dose.

That's what placebos are for.  Smile
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:12 pm

Oh no not an anti-medicine forum. I am not brainwashed even though my dad does work for the second largest pharmacutical company in the UK. I don't believe that pills should always be taken especially not for a small head ache however if things become more serious then I feel it necessary to do something about it, especially if you need to be sharp during the more busy times. As for prescribed pharmacuticals, I think they are essential and they have saved many peoples lives, let alone relieved some pain or suffering. Medicine has become a huge part of our society however I feel they shouldn't be advertised. And generic brands shouldn't be as easy to access either.
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:09 pm

The boss lady says that the best medicine is no medicine. Having said that it's nice if it's there when you need it or if it can improve your quality of life. When i had a wisdom tooth out last fall I was glad there were certain meds of the painkiller variety.

I myself take only ibuprofen for my osteoarthritis and benicar for slightly high blood pressure....not bad for a 60 year old guy.

But you're right. People are solicited at every turn to take a pill for every problem, whether real or imaginary.
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:37 am



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 21):
The boss lady says that the best medicine is no medicine. Having said that it's nice if it's there when you need it or if it can improve your quality of life.

For the aches and pains, I switched from aspirin to ibuprofen a few years ago. My wife was convinced that the aspirin would tear up my stomach...

Other than that, I've taken a prescription drug only once in the last 35 years. That was an antibiotic about 10 years ago. I had a sinus infection I just couldn't shake. I just don't get sick and I'm convinced that it's because I consciously avoid taking the drugs. I have very high resistance and I can ward off a cold if I feel it coming on just by getting a couple hours extra sleep. The last time I missed work for illness was in 1984.

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Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:57 am

Usually when I get a cold I take Tylenol PM to get to sleep, but whenever the next time I get a cold I'm going to stop taking it.
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:00 am



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 22):
For the aches and pains, I switched from aspirin to ibuprofen a few years ago. My wife was convinced that the aspirin would tear up my stomach...

Sorry to tell you but Ibuprofen can do it too! If you aren't too worried about it or can recgonize it and stop as soon as you feel it. No problem. Tylenol on the other hand won't do anything to your stomach (just don't drink whenever you take it...if you value your liver) but might not be as good depending on the nature of your pain. For things like arthritis, Ibuprofen or even Alieve are better.

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Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:27 am



Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 13):

why is that?

Because saying a certain illness will NEVER be cured is a bit of a long shot.

Amazing things happen.
 
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:19 am

In answer to the original question, IMO, no. Look at John Adams, the man lived to be 91 in an era when bloodletting was considered to be good medicine! we have drugs now for everything, some of which, i admit are necessary, but many of which are simply vanity! we've developed a cure for baldness (percieved lack of beauty) we've developed a cure for erectile dysfunction in the elderly(why are 85 year old men having sex anyway?) we have a cure for acne (again, lack of percieved beauty) we have cures for obesity (stop eating!) and anorexia (once again, obsession with beauty). I think on a deeper level, it's also an obsession with productivity and stopping anything that prevents everyone from being productive, just take two pills twice a day for two weeks to stop your aches, pains, headaches, backaches, stomach aches, heartburn, and get back to being productive! Heaven forbid someone should rest and relax for a day and let the body take care of itself but not be productive when modern medicine has developed a cure for what ails you that you can take, wait five minutes and get back to being busy.
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:42 am

If I have a cold/sore throat, the only thing I take then is the odd hot lemon drink, to make me more comfortable to sleep, or face going to work!

Mind you, I've a reason to limit any medication for things like that, since I do have to take the odd pill daily;
For Rheumatoid Arthritis;
Prendnisolone 5mg - 1 x daily.
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Hydroxychloroquine Sulphate 200mg - 1 x daily.
Methotrexate 15mg - 1 x weekly (This one means no alcohol since March 2000).

For (mild, infrequent) Epilepsy;
Phenytoin 100mg - 3 x daily.

The meds generally prevent flare ups of the RA, really bad ones are infrequent now.
As long as I take the Phenytoin, no fits. (After 14 years with none, with all the meds for the RA after getting that in 2000, I dropped the Phenytoin. It took just over two years before I had a fit, lesson learned by me though, keep taking it!)
However, I don't get any side effects from all of these, noticeably anyhow. But I have blood tests every 6 weeks or so to check for no ill effects.
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:08 pm

I hate taking medication because I feel like there are lots of side effects to them, but sometimes there are no other alternatives. For example, when I have to study or when I have to work, and I get a major headache, I take a pill and a quick rest then get back to work ASAP. . . sometimes there is no time for a quick snooze or to take it easy. I wish I could.

Other times I take sleeping pills. . . and I take them a lot. I have terrible sleeping problems and many times when I travel I have to start working and get adjusted to the time zone immediately the next day.
 
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:53 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):
I think the drug lobby has made the citizens of the United States into a bunch of pill popping rubes.

I whoeheartedly agree. Part of the instant, quick fix mentality that exists today.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):
The body is an amazing machine and can usually come up with cures on it's own. I have heard taking all sorts of drugs interferes with the body's ability to fight different issues.

Another truth. The human body is magnificent. I'm a big believer in natural remedies, chiropractic, other non-invasive, non-pharmaceutical alternatives to unlock the body's natural response.

And the over-influx of medications has so many complex dependencies and consequences that I cannot imagine how difficult it is today to be a pharmacist.
 
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:59 pm



Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 25):
Because saying a certain illness will NEVER be cured is a bit of a long shot.

Amazing things happen.

Well, regarding something like the common cold, it isn't a long shot because there's just no motivation in trying to find a cure for a limited viral illness that lasts less than a week. Any medication is useless because the virus mutates so fast that it wouldn't be able to keep up (including your body..which is why you get a cold every now and then). In cases like that it's more effective to just teach better hygiene techniques.

More serious things like cancers, well that has legs.  Smile
 
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:08 pm



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 26):
Look at John Adams, the man lived to be 91 in an era when bloodletting was considered to be good medicine!

Many people live long a healty lives while not taking many medications. It boggles the mind that my grandmother lived to 95 and took only a few medications. My aunt is nearly 80 and take one or two medications and she still walks a mile a day!

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 24):
Sorry to tell you but Ibuprofen can do it too!

Someone also mentioned liver damage. A lot of medications affect the liver.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 17):
people need to be aggressive on. Things like Diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.

Diet and excersize have a lot to do with it too. People are able to keep things like that under control just by not eating things like fast food every day. A lot of things can be slowed simply be eating well and just walking. I don't think things like power chairs are helping, either.
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:21 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 31):
Diet and excersize have a lot to do with it too. People are able to keep things like that under control just by not eating things like fast food every day. A lot of things can be slowed simply be eating well and just walking. I don't think things like power chairs are helping, either.

Of course, that's always first and foremost.
 
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:49 pm

To be honest, I have been on many medications and have of them didn't do its job. The medication I am on now does a very good job.

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Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:14 pm



Quoting Slider (Reply 6):
We as a society are totally over-medicated.

In every regard.

Period.

Amen to that!

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 26):
why are 85 year old men having sex anyway?)

If it feels good, do it.
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Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:18 am

I don't completely buy the theory of "let the disease flow".

Fever is a natural response upon an infection, so many people think that letting fever untreated helps in eliminating the microorganism from your body more quickly.

But wait, during fever, your body increases its temperature and looses water through sweat, so it can cause dehydration. Fever causes an increase in oxygen consumption and makes your heart beat faster, so it can put a significant pressure on your cardiovascular system, worsening any diagnosed or silent heart disease you may have. It also makes you breathe faster, contributing to loosing more body water through respiration.

Bottom-line, there are always two sides of the story, and many diseases like tuberculosis, septicemia and meningitis are lethal thanks to the response of our own "perfect" body.


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Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:13 pm



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 35):
I don't completely buy the theory of "let the disease flow".

Fever is a natural response upon an infection, so many people think that letting fever untreated helps in eliminating the microorganism from your body more quickly.

But wait, during fever, your body increases its temperature and looses water through sweat, so it can cause dehydration. Fever causes an increase in oxygen consumption and makes your heart beat faster, so it can put a significant pressure on your cardiovascular system, worsening any diagnosed or silent heart disease you may have. It also makes you breathe faster, contributing to loosing more body water through respiration.

Bottom-line, there are always two sides of the story, and many diseases like tuberculosis, septicemia and meningitis are lethal thanks to the response of our own "perfect" body.

I don't think anyone is taking or advocating a total 'laissez faire' attitude, and I see your point, but stifling a fever also has a downside.

Even pediatricians take a guarded approach about treating children with fever...it does serve a purpose. But your point is sound though.
 
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Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:54 pm



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 4):
And don't get me started on antibiotics...

Antibiotics are WONDERFUL. If you know what infection you are treating.

The next doctor who prescribes a "Z-pack" for a nose cold needs to be dragged out back for a thorough beating.
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 37):
Antibiotics are WONDERFUL. If you know what infection you are treating.

The next doctor who prescribes a "Z-pack" for a nose cold needs to be dragged out back for a thorough beating.

Antibiotics are another example of over-medication as well....resistant strains developing because of the overuse.
 
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Quoting Slider (Reply 38):
Antibiotics are another example of over-medication as well....resistant strains developing because of the overuse.

Right. Which is why you ONLY use them when you can name where the infection is and what organisms you think you are treating with them.

For example: "This looks like a skin infection. I should choose cephalexin because it will cover Staphylococcus aureus and Streptococcus pyogenes." Or "This child has a sore throat with plaques on his tonsils and a positive strep test. Thus, a single intramuscular shot of penicillin (NOT oral amoxicillin) is the most appropriate therapy."

Too many doctors fall back immediately on gorillacillins. An ear infection doesn't need a third-generation cephalosporin unless there's an indication to use it.

But antibiotic over-use is why 100% of buttock abscesses that I saw in children one week grew out MRSA in culture. Fortnately, 90% of our hospital's community-acquired MRSA were sensitive to clindamycin, which can be administered by mouth. Failing clinda, we have to use vancomycin, which cannot be dosed orally for systemic use. And that means a week in the hospital.
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Medication, what's that? My daily glass of red wine (or two) staves off all known ailments  Wink
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Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:00 pm

Medication: 'Cause there's no herbal remedy for the Clap.

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Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:37 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 39):
But antibiotic over-use is why 100% of buttock abscesses that I saw in children one week grew out MRSA in culture.

Yeah, I was following you until that line, haha...

Thanks for the education though--really is good to have some expert input on this stuff....
 
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Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:17 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 39):
Fortnately, 90% of our hospital's community-acquired MRSA were sensitive to clindamycin, which can be administered by mouth. Failing clinda, we have to use vancomycin, which cannot be dosed orally for systemic use. And that means a week in the hospital.

Lucky you. We once had a buttock abscess in the Peds unit and thank God it was MSSA. Then to make up for that in the Medicine wards, we had a MRSA guy on Vanco who's creatinine skyrocketed 3-4 days later. I never heard an ID attending curse so much until that day. Big grin
 
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It is thanks to a medication I took that I was in my 22-hour a day sleeping state for 6 consecutive months, in 1997. I understand that one of the pilot's in the DAL L-1011 windshear crash at DFW was on the exact same medication. Scary thought!
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Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:32 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 37):
Antibiotics are WONDERFUL. If you know what infection you are treating.

Talk to me about C-Dif. I understand that this is becoming an issue with the use of Broad spectrum Antibiotics.
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Quoting Ual747 (Reply 14):
As long as we have uppers, downers, and levelers, I'm fine.

Absolutely. There is nothing wrong with the occasional Xanax!
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 21):
But you're right. People are solicited at every turn to take a pill for every problem, whether real or imaginary.

But that's what most of us want----as I tell my doctor "fix it with a pill!"

Quoting Slider (Reply 29):
I wholeheartedly agree. Part of the instant, quick fix mentality that exists today.

Nothing wrong with that when your ill....but I agree with your statement when common dietary or lifestyle changes would suffice.


I am a firm believer of Better Living Through Pharmacology! And yes, I'm talking about those prescribed to me.
 
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Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:27 pm



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 45):

Talk to me about C-Dif. I understand that this is becoming an issue with the use of Broad spectrum Antibiotics.

DocLightning probably experiences it different than I, but it's a bigger problem with people who are on high doses of broad-spectrum antibiotics for a long period of time. C. diff normally lives in many of our guts all the time, but the other bacteria that live in there suppress it. Problem with broad spectrum antibiotics is that they can kill off some of those bacteria, and then C.diff grows more. Usually you get a very frequent and liquid diarrhea. This, along with the hygiene of Docs and Nurses that care for these patients contribute to its spread. But not to worry, for now there is treatment for it, but it does require hospitalization.

For outpatients, some recommend eating a probiotic, like yogurt, when taking these antibiotics.
 
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Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:20 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 3):
I'm starting to come down with a bit of a cold right now so all I'm doing is taken it easy and made a cup of hot lemon tea with honey. Its not a cure, but neither is NeoCitron.

Do what I do in those cases: Take some vodka, mix it with some sweetened lemon juice (since there are no lemons in Costa Rica, we have to use lime instead) and drink it. It's kind of a homemade limoncello, and if mixed right, you'll have a nice drink for when you're having a cold and need something against the coughing.

Quoting Slider (Reply 6):
We as a society are totally over-medicated.

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Back when I was growing up and asked for some medicine, I was outright denied that medicine unless it was truely something serious. This taught me one thing: One does not need medicine for any malady you might have, as small as it may be. Personally, I turned out just fine without excess medication. All I take is just an Aspirin if I have a very bad headache, that's it.

Another thing that I want to bring up, which is partially related to this thread, are supplements. Why are people so obsessed with getting vitamin supplements when they can get it from natural sources? And why do people feel the urge to take such supplements in general? Not only the vitamin ones, but also fibre supplements, zinc supplements (e.g. Centrum) and such? Are people really so obsessed with that, that they take chemical products for such things, instead of what mother nature has to offer?
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