Do you think that this banking-crisis is being used by bankers to consolidate the banks (force the bulk of them to go out of business leaving only a few left... and then from there just one bank, which everybody is dependant on), and by certain people to set in motion actions that will result in a one-world government?

Consider that if a one world government were to exist you would end up with a tremendous amount of power in the hands of a relatively small number of people with no other country to provide any check and balance against it. Knowing that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely (and the fact that a lot of these people who aim for a one world government are not democratically elected), this is extremely dangerous and you'd have nowhere to run to.


Blackbird

Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter): Do you think that this banking-crisis is being used by bankers to consolidate the banks (force the bulk of them to go out of business leaving only a few left... and then from there just one bank, which everybody is dependant on), and by certain people to set in motion actions that will result in a one-world government? Consider that if a one world government were to exist you would end up with a tremendous amount of power in the hands of a relatively small number of people with no other country to provide any check and balance against it. Knowing that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely (and the fact that a lot of these people who aim for a one world government are not democratically elected), this is extremely dangerous and you'd have nowhere to run to.

I do not believe any of the ideas you present here could ever come to fruition . I see no way the situation you present is possible

IHAP



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[Edited 2008-10-07 14:14:05]

What is up with this doom and gloom crap lately? Maybe Im just too isolated here in Alaska...

Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter): , and by certain people to set in motion actions that will result in a one-world government?

Unless we stop it, yes.

Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter): , this is extremely dangerous and you'd have nowhere to run to.

Who's going to run? Freedom isn't something you run to, it's something you stay and fight for.

Brilliant. The state breaks the market by intervening in it, and patches it up by taking it over. Brilliant.

Between Obama and this economic boondogle, I think we have seen the last time unemployment is below 5-6% in the US for a long, long time. All for raising the home ownership rate by a few percent.

We are entering an age of socialism, and I don't like it.

From what I'm seeing, this crisis is showing how hard it is to make the one-continent government called the EU work, so no, I don't see how this leads to a one-world government.

And current affairs also seem to be showing how large parts of Africa are just plain ungovernable.

Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter): Do you think that this banking-crisis is being used by bankers to consolidate the banks (force the bulk of them to go out of business leaving only a few left...

The nature of business is to beat the competition. Some banks are more financially sound than others, so naturally some banks will emerge from the crisis in better shape than their competitors. However, the bankers didn't create the crisis in order to bust up the competition. And there's no need to force other banks out of business, as they seem to be doing a stand-up job all by themselves.

Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter): (and the fact that a lot of these people who aim for a one world government are not democratically elected)

Who are these people? The only people I can think of who want one world government are the old concrete-stalinists, and AFAIK, they're not around anymore... So seriously, who are you talking about?

Quoting Doona (Reply 6): Who are these people? The only people I can think of who want one world government are the old concrete-stalinists, and AFAIK, they're not around anymore... So seriously, who are you talking about?

Why, the Illuminati / Bilderberger Group / Bohemian Grove / etc. of course!.  

Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):

That might be a nice idea if it wasn't for the fact that so many banks and governments have such fundamental disagreements on how things should be run - it's not even close to happening. Consolidation happens in all markets all the time. Weak car manufacturers are bought up by rivals, weak supermarket chains are bought up by rivals, etc. It's the way commerce works.

Quoting Doona (Reply 6): Who are these people? The only people I can think of who want one world government are the old concrete-stalinists, and AFAIK, they're not around anymore... So seriously, who are you talking about?

Empire by conquest is the old way. Empire by consent is the new. At this time, you (and most people) do not want world government. As you know things change, and so will your attitudes towards an all-powerful centralized government.

If you need to know how this will be accomplished.....

Think of an event(s) that would need to take place for -you- to change your mind about a one world government? That is what is being planned and enacted right now.


None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 9): As you know things change, and so will your attitudes towards an all-powerful centralized government.

So what's the problem? If that's what people want, shouldn't we be democratic about it?

Cheers
Mats

Quoting Roadrunner165 (Reply 2): What is up with this doom and gloom crap lately? Maybe Im just too isolated here in Alaska...

Some of us actually live in metropolitan areas where the majority of people are employed by multinational corporations and their subsidiaries, customers, back office service providers, and logistic delivery schemata. The effects are a bit more immediate and tangible for us, thus justifiable doom and gloom.

Every Toyota Group company, by far the largest employer in this area, has just instructed their managers not to allow any overtime work for the rest of the year. For a company with a notorious reputation for slave-driving, do you have any idea what a fundamental shift that is?

Quoting Doona (Reply 10): So what's the problem? If that's what people want, shouldn't we be democratic about it?

What if you are driven to change your mind by a contrived "emergency". What if your "choice" is come to by believing the talk of a one-world utopia?

Thirsty people will drink the dirtiest of water.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 3): Freedom isn't something you run to, it's something you stay and fight for.

freedom would be lost if there was a world government. If there was one government the only reason anyone would want to create it is to have total control over the world. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I have yet to see any of these conspiracy theory people actually name names. It's always "bankers" or "them" or something. They want us to believe that there's this all-powerful clique of people that we've never heard of. Is it Warern Buffet or Bill Gates? I don't think so, they've lost money in the market just like everyone else...

Some "conspiracy theory people" believe the culprits are included in this list. (from prisonplanet.com)

----------------------------------------------------------
BILDERBERG MEETING
"Chantilly, Virginia, USA"
5-8 June 2008
CURRENT LIST OF PARTICIPANTS


Honorary Chairman
BEL "Davignon, Etienne" "Vice Chairman, Suez-Tractebel"

DEU "Ackermann, Josef" "Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG"
CAN "Adams, John" Associate Deputy Minister of National Defence and Chief of the Communications Security Establishment Canada
USA "Ajami, Fouad" "Director, Middle East Studies Program, The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, The Johns Hopkins University"
USA "Alexander, Keith B." "Director, National Security Agency"
INT "Almunia, Joaquín " "Commissioner, European Commission"
GRC "Alogoskoufis, George" Minister of Economy and Finance
USA "Altman, Roger C." "Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc."
TUR "Babacan, Ali " Minister of Foreign Affairs
NLD "Balkenende, Jan Peter" Prime Minister
PRT "Balsemão, Francisco Pinto" "Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister"
FRA "Baverez, Nicolas" "Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP"
ITA "Bernabè, Franco" "CEO, Telecom Italia Spa"
USA "Bernanke, Ben S." "Chairman, Board of Governors, Federal Reserve System"
SWE "Bildt, Carl" Minister of Foreign Affairs
FIN "Blåfield, Antti " "Senior Editorial Writer, Helsingin Sanomat"
DNK "Bosse, Stine" "CEO, TrygVesta"
CAN "Brodie, Ian " "Chief of Staff, Prime Minister's Office"
AUT "Bronner, Oscar" "Publisher and Editor, Der Standard"
FRA "Castries, Henri de " "Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, AXA"
ESP "Cebrián, Juan Luis" "CEO, PRISA"
CAN "Clark, Edmund" "President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group"
GBR "Clarke, Kenneth" Member of Parliament
NOR "Clemet, Kristin" "Managing Director, Civita"
USA "Collins, Timothy C." "Senior Managing Director and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC"
FRA "Collomb, Bertrand" "Honorary Chairman, Lafarge"
PRT "Costa, António" Mayor of Lisbon
USA "Crocker, Chester A." James R. Schlesinger Professor of Strategic Studies
USA "Daschle, Thomas A." Former US Senator and Senate Majority Leader
CAN "Desmarais, Jr., Paul " "Chairman and co-CEO, Power Corporation of Canada"
GRC "Diamantopoulou, Anna" Member of Parliament
USA "Donilon, Thomas E." "Partner, O'Melveny & Myers"
ITA "Draghi, Mario" "Governor, Banca d'Italia"
AUT "Ederer, Brigitte" "CEO, Siemens AG Österreich"
CAN "Edwards, N. Murray " "Vice Chairman, Candian Natural Resources Limited"

DNK "Eldrup, Anders " "President, DONG A/S"
ITA "Elkann, John" "Vice Chairman, Fiat S.p.A."
USA "Farah, Martha J." "Director, Center for Cognitive Neuroscience; Walter H. Annenberg Professor in the Natural Sciences, University of Pennsylvania"
USA "Feldstein, Martin S." "President and CEO, National Bureau of Economic Research"
DEU "Fischer, Joschka" Former Minister of Foreign Affairs
USA "Ford, Jr., Harold E." "Vice Chairman, Merill Lynch & Co., Inc."
CHE "Forstmoser, Peter" "Professor for Civil, Corporation and Capital Markets Law, University of Zürich"
IRL "Gallagher, Paul " Attorney General
USA "Geithner, Timothy F. " "President and CEO, Federal Reserve Bank of New York"
USA "Gigot, Paul " "Editorial Page Editor, The Wall Street Journal"
IRL "Gleeson, Dermot " "Chairman, AIB Group"
NLD "Goddijn, Harold" "CEO, TomTom"
TUR "Gögüs, Zeynep " "Journalist; Founder, EurActiv.com.tr"
USA "Graham, Donald E." "Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company"
NLD "Halberstadt, Victor" "Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings"
USA "Holbrooke, Richard C. " "Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC"
FIN "Honkapohja, Seppo" "Member of the Board, Bank of Finland"
INT "Hoop Scheffer, Jaap G. de" "Secretary General, NATO"
USA "Hubbard, Allan B." "Chairman, E & A Industries, Inc."
BEL "Huyghebaert, Jan" "Chairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group"
DEU "Ischinger, Wolfgang" Former Ambassador to the UK and US
USA "Jacobs, Kenneth" "Deputy Chairman, Head of Lazard U.S., Lazard Frères & Co. LLC"
USA "Johnson, James A." "Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC" (Obama's man tasked with selecting his running mate)
SWE "Johnstone, Tom " "President and CEO, AB SKF"
USA "Jordan, Jr., Vernon E." "Senior Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC"
FRA "Jouyet, Jean-Pierre " Minister of European Affairs
GBR "Kerr, John " "Member, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc."
USA "Kissinger, Henry A." "Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc."
DEU "Klaeden, Eckart von" "Foreign Policy Spokesman, CDU/CSU"
USA "Kleinfeld, Klaus" "President and COO, Alcoa"
TUR "Koç, Mustafa " "Chairman, Koç Holding A.S."
FRA "Kodmani, Bassma" "Director, Arab Reform Initiative"
USA "Kravis, Henry R." "Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co."
USA "Kravis, Marie-Josée" "Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc."
INT "Kroes, Neelie " "Commissioner, European Commission"
POL "Kwasniewski, Aleksander " Former President
AUT "Leitner, Wolfgang" "CEO, Andritz AG"
ESP "León Gross, Bernardino" "Secretary General, Office of the Prime Minister"
INT "Mandelson, Peter" "Commissioner, European Commission"
FRA "Margerie, Christophe de" "CEO, Total"
CAN "Martin, Roger" "Dean, Joseph L. Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto"
HUN "Martonyi, János" "Professor of International Trade Law; Partner, Baker & McKenzie; Former Minister of Foreign Affairs"
USA "Mathews, Jessica T. " "President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace"


INT "McCreevy, Charlie " "Commissioner, European Commission"
USA "McDonough, William J." "Vice Chairman and Special Advisor to the Chairman, Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc."
CAN "McKenna, Frank" "Deputy Chair, TD Bank Financial Group"
GBR "McKillop, Tom " "Chairman, The Royal Bank of Scotland Group"
FRA "Montbrial, Thierry de" "President, French Institute for International Relations"
ITA "Monti, Mario" "President, Universita Commerciale Luigi Bocconi"
USA "Mundie, Craig J. " "Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation"
NOR "Myklebust, Egil" "Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, Norsk Hydro ASA"
DEU "Nass, Matthias" "Deputy Editor, Die Zeit"
NLD "Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the"
FRA "Ockrent, Christine" "CEO, French television and radio world service"
FIN "Ollila, Jorma" "Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc"
SWE "Olofsson, Maud " Minister of Enterprise and Energy; Deputy Prime Minister
NLD "Orange, H.R.H. the Prince of"
GBR "Osborne, George" Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
TUR "Öztrak, Faik" Member of Parliament
ITA "Padoa-Schioppa, Tommaso " Former Minister of Finance; President of Notre Europe
GRC "Papahelas, Alexis" "Journalist, Kathimerini"
GRC "Papalexopoulos, Dimitris" "CEO, Titan Cement Co. S.A."
USA "Paulson, Jr., Henry M." Secretary of the Treasury
USA "Pearl, Frank H." "Chairman and CEO, Perseus, LLC"
USA "Perle, Richard N." "Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research"
FRA "Pérol, François" Deputy General Secretary in charge of Economic Affairs
DEU "Perthes, Volker" "Director, Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik"
BEL "Philippe, H.R.H. Prince"
CAN "Prichard, J. Robert S." "President and CEO, Torstar Corporation"
CAN "Reisman, Heather M." "Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc."
USA "Rice, Condoleezza" Secretary of State
PRT "Rio, Rui " Mayor of Porto
USA "Rockefeller, David " "Former Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank"
ESP "Rodriguez Inciarte, Matias" "Executive Vice Chairman, Grupo Santander"
USA "Rose, Charlie" "Producer, Rose Communications"
DNK "Rose, Flemming" "Editor, Jyllands Posten"
USA "Ross, Dennis B." "Counselor and Ziegler Distinguished Fellow, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy"
USA "Rubin, Barnett R." "Director of Studies and Senior Fellow, Center for International Cooperation, New York University"
TUR "Sahenk, Ferit " "Chairman, Dogus Holding A.S."
USA "Sanford, Mark" Governor of South Carolina
USA "Schmidt, Eric" "Chairman of the Executive Committee and CEO, Google"
AUT "Scholten, Rudolf " "Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG"
DNK "Schur, Fritz H. " Fritz Schur Gruppen
CZE "Schwarzenberg, Karel " Minister of Foreign Affairs
USA "Sebelius, Kathleen" Governor of Kansas
USA "Shultz, George P." "Thomas W. and Susan B. Ford Distinguished Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University"


ESP "Spain, H.M. the Queen of"
CHE "Spillmann, Markus" "Editor-in-Chief and Head Managing Board, Neue Zürcher Zeitung AG"
USA "Summers, Lawrence H." "Charles W. Eliot Professor, Harvard University"
GBR "Taylor, J. Martin" "Chairman, Syngenta International AG"
USA "Thiel, Peter A." "President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC"
NLD "Timmermans, Frans " Minister of European Affairs
RUS "Trenin, Dmitri V." "Deputy Director and Senior Associate, Carnegie Moscow Center"
INT "Trichet, Jean-Claude" "President, European Central Bank"
USA "Vakil, Sanam" "Assistant Professor of Middle East Studies, The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University"
FRA "Valls, Manuel " Member of Parliament
GRC "Varvitsiotis, Thomas" "Co-Founder and President, V + O Communication"
CHE "Vasella, Daniel L." "Chairman and CEO, Novartis AG"
FIN "Väyrynen, Raimo" "Director, The Finnish Institute of International Affairs"
FRA "Védrine, Hubert" Hubert Védrine Conseil
NOR "Vollebaek, Knut" "High Commissioner on National Minorities, OSCE"
SWE "Wallenberg, Jacob" "Chairman, Investor AB"
USA "Weber, J. Vin" "CEO, Clark & Weinstock"
USA "Wolfensohn, James D. " "Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC"
USA "Wolfowitz, Paul " "Visiting Scholar, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research"
INT "Zoellick, Robert B. " "President, The World Bank Group"

Rapporteurs
GBR "Bredow, Vendeline von" "Business Correspondent, The Economist"
GBR "Wooldridge, Adrian D." "Foreign Correspondent, The Economist"


AUT Austria HUN Hungary
BEL Belgium INT International
CHE Switzerland IRL Ireland
CAN Canada ITA Italy
CZE Czech Republic NOR Norway
DEU Germany NLD Netherlands
DNK Denmark PRT Portugal
ESP Spain POL Poland
FRA France RUS Russia
FIN Finland SWE Sweden
GBR Great Britain TUR Turkey
GRC Greece USA United States of America
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The "really wealthy" know better than to put it on display for the slaves.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 15): Some "conspiracy theory people" believe the culprits are included in this list. (from prisonplanet.com)

Prisonplanet is Alex Jones, and lord knows I've stated my opinion on that piece of filth several times.

As far as I can see, the Danish members includes the CEO of an Insurance company, the CEO of Danish Oil and Natural Gas, a newspaper editor and the CEO of a group I'm not immediately familiar with. Are they supposed to be the ones who take over the Danish society? If so, I could think of a few more well placed people, rathat than this lot..

What banking crisis?

Banks in Argentina are doing healthily.

Oh, I forgot, we already went through all this 8 years ago. We were 'ahead of the curve'

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5): From what I'm seeing, this crisis is showing how hard it is to make the one-continent government called the EU work, so no, I don't see how this leads to a one-world government.

On the other hand, depending on the levels of pain induced by this crisis, it could spur the movement towards more integration?

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 9): That is what is being planned and enacted right now.

In what way?

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 12): What if you are driven to change your mind by a contrived "emergency"

I don't think there can be any doubt that a major financial "whoopsie" has taken place. And that "whoopsie" was driven by banks over-extending themselves due to competition, not by collaboration. If there had been collaboration, I'm pretty sure they would have come up with something that didn't leave investors believing so many bank directors are idiots.

Quoting Johns624 (Reply 14): I have yet to see any of these conspiracy theory people actually name names. It's always "bankers" or "them" or something

There may have been names mentioned but it's always so vague it's really not worth worrying about. Someone with a bit of clout mentions the benefits of co-operation between governments and suddenly they're "on the list" of those "actively creating a world government". Mention an alternative to the UN and you're "on the list".

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 18): Quoting Revelation (Reply 5): From what I'm seeing, this crisis is showing how hard it is to make the one-continent government called the EU work, so no, I don't see how this leads to a one-world government. On the other hand, depending on the levels of pain induced by this crisis, it could spur the movement towards more integration?

Maybe, one day, but I think Lumberton's point is a good one. It would take massive changes for governments and banks to even consider conspiring to "take over the world". It simply isn't happening - no chance in hell. The markets will have recovered in a year or two and the whole thing will be all but forgotten.

Quoting Roadrunner165 (Reply 2): What is up with this doom and gloom crap lately?

You've clearly got access to the internet. Read some economic news.....or just check how your 401k is doing.

Quoting Roadrunner165 (Reply 2): Maybe Im just too isolated here in Alaska...

Ya think?

 

Quote: Empire by conquest is the old way. Empire by consent is the new. At this time, you (and most people) do not want world government. As you know things change, and so will your attitudes towards an all-powerful centralized government.

In other words, an all powerful government would be created by persuading people into consenting to it. Usually through endless fear-mongering, misinformation, and deception.

Quote: If you need to know how this will be accomplished..... Think of an event(s) that would need to take place for -you- to change your mind about a one world government? That is what is being planned and enacted right now.

Sadly, you are probably correct -- It can be summed up in three words: Action, Reaction, Solution. Create a source of fear (action) that will result in people feeling the need or desire for an all-powerful one world government (reaction), then offer the "solution" (that nobody really wants but are manipulated into "wanting it") -- an all-powerful one world government (solution).

Quote: None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Very astute statement


Andrea Kent

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 21): In other words, an all powerful government would be created by persuading people into consenting to it. Usually through endless fear-mongering, misinformation, and deception.

Seriously, it's not gonna happen in the forseeable future. We're a planet of racists and bigots, we're all convinced that our own way of doing things is so much better than everyone else's, so getting over national pride is gonna be a whopper of a problem. When countries try to do something together, we almost always screw up in one way or another.

We'll all kill each other before uniting under one government.

Cheers
Mats

Hm, I bet the first person on that list, Etienne Davignon, doesn't feel all too happy. His "child", Fortis (the biggest bank in the Benelux) has just been dissolved, divided between PNB Paribas of France and the Dutch government. If the goal is to create one world bank, at least overhere exactly the opposite happened.

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 21): In other words, an all powerful government would be created by persuading people into consenting to it. Usually through endless fear-mongering, misinformation, and deception.

No western country that I'm aware of has even a remote chance of "persuading" its citizens to accept a one-party system within its own borders. How on earth do you think it's even remotely likely that all parties in all countries would promote a single world government? And what do you mean by "usually"? Has an all powerful world government been established before?

You and a few others might feel you've been "frightened" into misinformation. The rest of us are more interested in what actually goes on the the world.

Quoting Doona (Reply 22): We'll all kill each other before uniting under one government.

   I guess some people haven't noticed that going on for centuries.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 15): ---------------------------------------------------------- BILDERBERG MEETING "Chantilly, Virginia, USA" 5-8 June 2008 CURRENT LIST OF PARTICIPANTS

Interesting to see that there were no representatives from New Zealand or Australia...
2 countries which are ranked very highly for lack of corruption...

Wait a minute...

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 15): GBR "Clarke, Kenneth" Member of Parliament

Ken Clarke in favour of an all-powerful world bank and/or an all-powerful world government?   

Quoting David L (Reply 26): Ken Clarke in favour of an all-powerful world bank and/or an all-powerful world government?

Dave,

I didn't compile that list, I only copy-and-paste(d) it from another site. What I do know is what is talked about in the meeting is secret. If you ask any of the people listed they will categorically deny even being there, even though they were all photographed as they entered the parking lot.

We have a secret meeting of some of the world's most prominent royalty, finance, corp. executives, press, and the military. They are sworn to secrecy about what goes on inside and about the very existence of the group itself. That isn't very comforting especially considering the economic disaster that has befallen us as of late. I wouldn't doubt at all that what we are living through now was hatched within the confines of that meeting. Surely they do not all meet for an annual secret tea party.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 27): I didn't compile that list, I only copy-and-paste(d) it from another site

Yes, I appreciate that. The red flag was for those who compiled the list. Seriously, if that's an example of an "evil world-ruling wannabe" then I'll continue to sleep soundly.  

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 3): Unless we stop it, yes.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 27): What I do know is what is talked about in the meeting is secret. If you ask any of the people listed they will categorically deny even being there, even though they were all photographed as they entered the parking lot.

If it is all so very secret how come there is a list off all the people who have ever been in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees

I very much doubt any of the people who attend deny attending nor is there probably much secret squirrel stuff going on when they have reporters at the meenting.

Ahh, but the reporters never report on the meeting, odd yes?

Dig deeper....... (And I don't mean through wiki)  

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 29): I very much doubt any of the people who attend deny attending

   As I said, if Ken Clarke is on the list, then the conspiracy theory immediately has quite a few holes in it.  

Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter): Do you think that this banking-crisis is being used by bankers to consolidate the banks

Yes, it is called capitalism. Survival of the fittest, etc. You know what I mean. How do you get from this part to a one-world-government is beyond me. Maybe I should have put my tin-foil hat on my head?

Quoting Doona (Reply 22): Seriously, it's not gonna happen in the forseeable future. We're a planet of racists and bigots, we're all convinced that our own way of doing things is so much better than everyone else's, so getting over national pride is gonna be a whopper of a problem. When countries try to do something together, we almost always screw up in one way or another. We'll all kill each other before uniting under one government.

  

The only scenario I could think off to form a one-world-government is when the human race is about to be wiped out by aliens (or something like that). And even at that scenario, people won't want to unite, because there's just to much differences between us.

So, remove your tin-foil hat and continue living your life.

Cheers!   

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 15): NLD "Balkenende, Jan Peter" Prime Minister

Harry Potter to rule the world!  



Cheers!   

MD80Fanatic,

Quote: What if you are driven to change your mind by a contrived "emergency". What if your "choice" is come to by believing the talk of a one-world utopia?

If that's the "solution" offered and people are in a desperate situation (which could very well not be desperate but a contrived emergency) it's highly likely that people would do just as you stated. In a state of desperation people will do all sorts of things they would have never done in a million years otherwise.

Quote: Thirsty people will drink the dirtiest of water.

Desperation is an excellent way to motivate people -- As I said: People will, in desperation, do things they would NEVER have done otherwise. I mean just look at the way our country has went after 9/11. We've given up Constitutional freedoms and rights that we never would have given up had 9/11 not happened.


LifelinerOne,

You do realize that from a capitalistic standpoint, a monopoly is VERY beneficial for the company that holds the monopoly right? It's just not beneficial for anyone else (no way to compete, and no other company to buy from if the quality of the product isn't up to your liking or costs a fortune)



Blackbird

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 34): I mean just look at the way our country has went after 9/11. We've given up Constitutional freedoms and rights that we never would have given up had 9/11 not happened.

It takes longer for you to get through airport security. It's hardly the "end of democracy as we know it".

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 34): You do realize that from a capitalistic standpoint, a monopoly is VERY beneficial for the company that holds the monopoly right?

Well, duh! Hence the reason there's so much opposition to monopolies and an all-powerful world government.

Honestly, your attempts at brain-washing become more and more desperate.

David L,

You do realize that even though most people in principle do not want an all-powerful one world-government, if a disaster, real or contrived, scared people enough, people could be persuaded into accepting it?


Blackbird

The only type pf people that thrive on these certain kind of conspiracy theories are the type pf people who are naive or have nothing but free time on they're hands to fill their everyday lives with negative thoughts watch for every news article, buy in to all the kool-aide stirred up by the news and do not understand what critical thinking is.

Seriously, I am shocked to see how these ridicolous threads even gain any sort of popularity. The only thing I get out of them is a good laugh.

Are there bad people, bad goverments, organizations out there? sure. Bad things can and have happened through history. I can't say for sure what tommorow brings, however when I see such articles I take them with a grain of salt. When it all comes down to it I have to live my life the best I can. One thing is for certain and thats death and taxes.

Mike

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Quoting Blackbird (Reply 36): You do realize that even though most people in principle do not want an all-powerful one world-government, if a disaster, real or contrived, scared people enough, people could be persuaded into accepting it?

If, if, if... But there is no evidence whatsoever that it's even close to happening. As usual, you've taken a purely hypothetical scenario, blown it out of all proportion and completely divorced it from reality. Don't you realise it's also possible that a world disaster might cause the complete collapse of all governments?

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 29): I very much doubt any of the people who attend deny attending nor is there probably much secret squirrel stuff going on when they have reporters at the meenting.

Ask one then.....and report back to us please.  

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 32): So, remove your tin-foil hat and continue living your life.

 

Quoting David L (Reply 35): Honestly, your attempts at brain-washing become more and more desperate.

And you said this to BlackBird, and not to the real culprits? She, nor I, took all that money from your accounts....remember that please.   to you too on this one.

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Did not any of you "illuminated ones" catch the "world leaders" calling to close the markets on Monday so they can arrange a new "international" finance plan? What do you guys say....."No one wants one global society" "We would kill each other" Well....now you are getting it....and rather than being upset about it you come here and heckle the ones who have been warning you about it for years. A typical reaction to extreme fear, which to lash out at those who pose no danger to you...while letting the wolf roam your countryside.

The media says to panic. Automatons (like you guys) panic. And now you get your solution (global financial authority). Then, ashamedly so, you come here and start with your tin foil hat song and dance.

I guess none of you will really get it until they come to your door and take you away. Myself (and BlackBird amongst many others) have been telling you your house is on fire for years now. And through the high heat and dense smoke you say with a strained voice "Okay, so it's smoky and hot.....but that doesn't mean the house is on fire"   

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 39): And you said this to BlackBird, and not to the real culprits? She, nor I, took all that money from your accounts....remember that please. Yeah sure to you too on this one.

Absolutely, based on her history of thread starters, not just for selecting this one. There's a complete discontinuity in the logic. No-one here, no-one, has said there's nothing wrong with what's happened but that's not what the thread starter was about. It was an allegation that people are actively trying to create a single world bank and have a chance of succeeding. Actually, no money has been taken from me at all.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 39): Did not any of you "illuminated ones" catch the "world leaders" calling to close the markets on Monday so they can arrange a new "international" finance plan? What do you guys say....."No one wants one global society" "We would kill each other"

Don't confuse international discussion on what can be done to fix a worldwide problem with a "desire for an all-powerful world bank". Such meetings have happened many, many times before, all in the open.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 39): Well....now you are getting it...

Want a bet?  

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 39): and rather than being upset about it

   Upset about something we think is pure fantasy? What we're "upset" about are the persistent presentations of pure conjecture as "inevitable facts".

David, I believe the most amazing characteristic of this "beast" we all face is it's uncanny ability to blind the smartest of people. No one likes to think that someone somewhere is pulling blinders over our eyes....we are too proud to admit that we are actually slaves, you and I. Instead we discuss and argue who has the biggest cell in this prison we find ourselves in....but never a word about how we can both escape. We have come to accept the prison as being simply how things are. It's money that is our shackles. The more we try to accumulate, the stronger our chains become. Whether you believe in a supreme being or not....there was one human who had the exact solution to escaping the prison. He said "Leave behind everything and follow me". Leave the chains behind and simply walk out the door. It's that easy.

About ten years ago.....I witnessed a short circuit in the matrix that surrounds us. I like to use the first Matrix movie since it provides such a concrete example of our plight. I thought like you, until I noticed something weird out of the corner of my eye....and ever since then I have looked at everything a little differently than others.

Since then I have become aware that we are NOT the top of the food chain on Earth, so to speak. There are a very few who really believe it is their divine right to rule over us, since biologically they are far superior to us (in their thinking).

If you have a spare few hours, I'd recommend watching "the money masters" on Google video. In that video, you will hear about the causes of another great drop in the market....when a very wealthy Rothschild lied about the progress of the war against Napoleon, in advance of the courier's arrival to announce the progress of the engagement.
The market dropped like a rock, and Rothschild bought everything up for pennies on the dollar.

Honestly, what would it hurt to think outside the box for a few moments? It won't cost you any money. If the fear of being labelled a CT frightens you, then do not tell anyone you are looking at this stuff. As long as you and your loved ones are aware of what is going on....that is all any of us "nutters" want. We don't care if you support us, we are used to going it alone....no biggie. When (and if) all hell breaks loose.....I'd rather you be fighting with us than against us. Okay?  

I am continually amused by all these prophets of doom and how they think that they are the only ones intelligent enough to see all these impending disasters. I'm still waiting on the October 1st declaration of martial law and the rounding up of all you dissidents. What year was that supposed to happen, anyways?  

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 41): Honestly, what would it hurt to think outside the box for a few moments?

We all do. We acknowledge that there is a remote possibility of anything at all happening. Then we apply our own knowledge and experience, look at the evidence and realise that it's really hardly likely at all.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 41): David, I believe the most amazing characteristic of this "beast" we all face is it's uncanny ability to blind the smartest of people.

Show us more than the remote possibility that the beast might exist. No-one is saying life's perfect. What we're saying is that the evidence of a conspiracy to implement an all-powerful world bank or an all-powerful world government is tenuous, at best, and that the sources are dubious (I mean, Ken Clarke, for goodness' sake   ). The same goes for the allegedly imminent US nuclear strike on Iran and the idea that "the government" wants to waste it's limited resources spying on everyone.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 41): we are too proud to admit that we are actually slaves, you and I

Speak for yourself   .. I thought of myself as a slave in my last job. When I was made redundant, I celebrated and made sure I didn't take a similar job again. I hardly think it's any kind of world conspiracy, though. It was all down to a handful of selfish, ambitious individuals who'll never amount to any more than I will.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 41): Instead we discuss and argue who has the biggest cell in this prison we find ourselves in.

I think you'll find that most of us are actually discussing the fact that there's no "prison cell" for those who don't want one.  

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 41): but never a word about how we can both escape.

Not from those who think there's something to escape from. Those who don't are hardly likely to offer any suggestions on how to escape, now are they?  

MD80Fanatic,

Quote: Did not any of you "illuminated ones" catch the "world leaders" calling to close the markets on Monday so they can arrange a new "international" finance plan? What do you guys say....."No one wants one global society" "We would kill each other" Well....now you are getting it....and rather than being upset about it you come here and heckle the ones who have been warning you about it for years. A typical reaction to extreme fear, which to lash out at those who pose no danger to you...while letting the wolf roam your countryside.

What exactly is this new arranged "international finance plan"? What are the details surrounding it?


Blackbird

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 39): id not any of you "illuminated ones" catch the "world leaders" calling to close the markets on Monday so they can arrange a new "international" finance plan?

If memory serves me ....the NYSE is set open for trading on Columbus Day, "Monday", it is a business day for receiving payments via Regulation "T" of the Fed'Reserve Board. However, it will not be a settlement date because many of the nation’s banking institutions will be closed. It will not be a "normal" day as when all banks etc are open. I do not know what effect this will have on the market as the second half of Friday was a wild ride on it's own add in the fact that Monday is not a settlement date and it may be a bumpy ride ... or it may even things out until Tuesday which will me a normal settlement business day.

Still I worry as to the effects of this "international finance plan"...

Blackbird

We are all going to be abducted and taken aboard alien spacecraft and forced to live a life of servitude to the new world order.    Hail G7!!!!

I got a question for everybody in this thread... Do you think there is a need for checks and balances in the world?


Blackbird

I hope there will never be a world government. I doubt there will be one in my lifetime unless a WWIII comes and half of the existing world is destroyed by some crazy warmongers despots.

Can you imagine having a lifetime world leader like Chavez or Ahmadinejad or even W. Bush conrolling and dictating their whims to the whole planet? That would be a disaster and the end of freedom for all human beings for sure.