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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:38 pm

I saw Colin Powell's appearance on Meet the Press. While he says he is disappointing McCain, someone who he likes and admires, he generally believes that Obama is the better candidate at this time. One of those factors to Powell was as to McCain choosing Palin as his VP choice, something that he feels was a bad one. He also expressed on a question as to lack of international issues, that Obama is a good and quick study, he seems to have a very good grasp of the issues and surrounded himself with good people (perhaps including Sen. Biden as VP for example?).

Powell saying he is going to vote or Obama is going to get attention into Tuesday and so close to the election is a very important one to Obama's benefit and to McCain's loss.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:34 pm

Link to the Meet the Press segment on Powell:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27265490#27265490
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:28 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 201):
'Fly, shame on you for doing the same thing. As a contractor who works sometimes independently, sometimes for another contractor, it is very easy to get sideways with your taxes.

"Sideways" with taxes?
I'll remember that and see if I can use that as an excuse not to pay taxes next April.
I'll just tell that IRS that I am a little 'sideways' with my taxes.  Yeah sure
Too bad Willie Nelson and Redd Fox could use that excuse when the IRS was after them.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 246):
And personally I reckon that Powell (despite his 'stumble' over WMDs) still commands a huge amount of respect across the whole spectrum of American society and American politics.

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Dreadnought, numerous time in the past here at Airliners.net, you have boasted about how much respect and praise you have for Colin Powell. Now that he has endorsed Obama, perhaps you can come on board or find a new reason to continue supporting that grumpy old McCain.
Do you still love & praise Colin Powell or do you wish you could eat your words?
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:44 am

I guess now Colin Powell is a:

a) socialist

b) marxist

c) proponent of class warfare

d) anti-American, um, "American"

e) unpatriotic American (especially since he didn't have his flag pin on!!!!! Horrors!)

f) all of the above

 Yeah sure
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:53 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 252):
I'll remember that and see if I can use that as an excuse not to pay taxes next April.
I'll just tell that IRS that I am a little 'sideways' with my taxes.

Yes I had to smile at that comment remembering a long ago encounter with a very large lady from Revenue in Topeka who grilled me for about 2 hours on what must have been one of the simpler tax submissions in that year and one that had already been done TWICE by the accountant at the Institute where I was working. And then by the time I got back to the office an hour or so later (there was a blizzard blowing so I not sure of the time) there was already a message to ring her, she wanted yet another change in the return.

Oh yes, she would be happy with a suggestion I was a little sideways with my taxes. I don't think "happy" was a frame of mind she was familiar with!

I presume tax matters have become more complex since then so that is one area in which O'bama might well have room to move for simplification.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:11 am



Quoting Mir (Reply 236):


May I then assume that you voted against Stevens in 2002 and against Murkowski in 2004?

Which Murkowski?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 240):
No. Joe looked like a guy that didn't understand the difference between sales and taxable net profit. Basically it means he won't be in business long if he doesn't get an accountant to work with him before he buys any business. The say part is that Mccain's understanding of the difference is either as bad as Joe's or he's intentionally misleading the public. Either way it's not impressive.

As long as Joe understands that the intake has got to exceed the exhaust he will do fine.

Quoting Oa260 (Reply 247):
It seems daily that Obama is gaining strength

So did hurricane Katrina. And I am sure Obama will have a similar effect on this country.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:28 am



Quoting Johnboy (Reply 253):
I guess now Colin Powell is a:

a) socialist

He is definitely supporting one.

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 253):
b) marxist

I guess we will see how much of a marxist Sen. Obama is. I was watching a movie called "Under Fire" last night and a quote out of that movie really struck me as revelant to this election. The French character says, "the media falls in love with the poet, who fall in love with the tyrants, who then rule over us", it is exactly the way this election has gone just drop the poets since most media are not journalists anymore but actors on a stage.

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 253):
c) proponent of class warfare

Again, he is supporting one.

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 253):
d) anti-American, um, "American"

Neither candidate is anti-American. Nor is Colin Powell.

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 253):
e) unpatriotic American (especially since he didn't have his flag pin on!!!!! Horrors!)

He is a private citizen so he can do what he chooses. Someone running for the President of the United States is on a higher standard.

I listened to Colin Powells statement.

1. They are both United States Senators. The appropriate salutation is "Senator" not "Mister".

2. I would have liked to have heard a further explanation of what Sen. Obama did or even said during the early part of the financial crisis that would rate the high praise that Colin Powell heaped on him? I heard several references to "looks and sounds". If we are now voting on a President based on "looks and sounds" then we are truly in deep trouble as a nation. Colin Powell was wrong in 1991 when he advised President Bush (41) to stop. He was wrong in 2002 if he was in any way unconvinced of, and did not challenge, any of the evidence he presented to the United Nations. And he is wrong now.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:13 am

Guys,

I recently got to see McCain and his wife at my college. I won a VIP ticket through my student government raffle and was 3 rows from him. It was amazing as I have never been to a function where a presidential nominee. All in all, it an awesome experience and I will post pics tomorrow.

Hunter
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:19 am



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 256):
Colin Powell was wrong in 1991 when he advised President Bush (41) to stop. He was wrong in 2002 if he was in any way unconvinced of, and did not challenge, any of the evidence he presented to the United Nations. And he is wrong now.

Bush 41 didn't need encouragement to stop in 1991 - he understood the problems this country would face if he kept going. Look at the current death toll and the tens of thousands wounded to see what Bush 41 understood.

I think James Baker (41's SecState) says it best. He said that for years people asked him why we didn't keep going. He also says they don't ask him that anymore.

As for WMD and the UN speech, I'm in the camp that believes that Cheney/Rumsfield worked to jury rig the "evidence". Colin Powell got sandbagged on that one and as soon as Bush won re-election Powell was given the shaft. But then Powell was never one of the neocons that held power in the White House.

I have the upmost respect for Colin Powell and I believe the reasoning he presented today when declaring his preference was sound and logical.

Odd that Obama should be called a socialists and/or a marxist because he's going to return the top tax rate to the level selected by Ronald Reagan. But then he would be joining Warren Buffet who endorses Obama and has said that there is something wrong when he pays a lower total tax rate than his executive assistants.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:31 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 252):
Dreadnought, numerous time in the past here at Airliners.net, you have boasted about how much respect and praise you have for Colin Powell. Now that he has endorsed Obama, perhaps you can come on board or find a new reason to continue supporting that grumpy old McCain.
Do you still love & praise Colin Powell or do you wish you could eat your words?

I tend to think ole' General Powell has lost his marbles, to be honest.

Jesse Jackson
Fidel Castro
Muammar Ghadafi
Hugo Chavez

and now we can add the great American war hero Gen. Colin Powell.

Look at that lineup? Could there be a more obvious reason to test the water supplies worldwide? What next.....Ronald Reagan rising from the dead to endorse Obama?

Obama/Biden is euthenasia for the country......
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:40 am

The posts from the McCain/Palin supporters on this forum make it fairly apparent that they've now gone completely off the deep end.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:44 am



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 256):
He is definitely supporting one.

Terrorist!

Socialist!

Well I guess this is the kind of stuff we'll be hearing from the extremists in the Republican party from here on out. Tear down the opposition with lies and name calling, slander and malign one of the most honorable public figures of the last several decades. It's obscene and reprehensible is what it is, and yet you have the audacity to lecture us about salutations,... whatever.

Collin Powell is right on the mark, the GOP has gone too far. The McCain/Palin campaign has driven the GOP right into the ditch of embarrassment, mediocrity, and shame. I think most people in this country have had just about enough of this low-brow crap.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:46 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 252):
Dreadnought, numerous time in the past here at Airliners.net, you have boasted about how much respect and praise you have for Colin Powell.

Really, I had nothing against the man, but never thought he was that great. He was a mediocre and overcautious officer, I thought, and let himself be completely rolled by the State department bureaucracy. Can you remind me?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 252):
Now that he has endorsed Obama, perhaps you can come on board or find a new reason to continue supporting that grumpy old McCain.

Consider that this recent economic crisis has already cost us $1.8 trillion, not counting market losses. The failures of Medicare and Social Security are estimated to be a $30+ trillion boondoggle in the making. Democrats refused to reform the housing market until it was too late, and they seem unwilling to admit that the same but bigger problem exists with SS and Medicare.

What we need is conservatism in Congress, which we have not had since the mid-late 1990s, and a conservative president to put government back in its place. The republicans over the past 8 years have not been conservative, including Bush, McCain and the so-called republican congress a few years ago.

We are on the brink of allowing three far-left individuals, Obama, Pelosi and Ried, complete control over the country, at worst with a filibuster-proof majority in the house. The advent of the managerial state will have arrived in force, after creeping in slowly over the past few decades.

While I am confident that it will lead to disaster, and a rediscovery of conservatism even stronger than the 1994 mid-terms which will bring in a conservative government to fix the mess, it will still be a hell of a mess to clean up, and I really don't want to be a taxpayer stuck with that bill.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 256):
I would have liked to have heard a further explanation of what Sen. Obama did or even said during the early part of the financial crisis that would rate the high praise that Colin Powell heaped on him? I heard several references to "looks and sounds". If we are now voting on a President based on "looks and sounds" then we are truly in deep trouble as a nation.



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 256):
Colin Powell was wrong in 1991 when he advised President Bush (41) to stop. He was wrong in 2002 if he was in any way unconvinced of, and did not challenge, any of the evidence he presented to the United Nations. And he is wrong now

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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:55 am



Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 261):
Terrorist!

Your words. Can you name one post in which I have called Sen. Obama a terrorist?

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 261):
Tear down the opposition with lies and name calling, slander and malign one of the most honorable public figures of the last several decades.

Where did I call him a name? Sland him? Or malign him? Are you saying that in this brave new world of change we may not disagree with someone and call their view wrong?

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 261):
It's obscene and reprehensible is what it is, and yet you have the audacity to lecture us about salutations,... whatever.

Well then correct my grammar. If my grammar is correct then stick to the argument. Can you name one single statement that Senator Obama had about the credit crisis in the first week that had any affect whatsoever on policy? According to Mr. Powell, Senator Obama impressed him with his calm and his statements. I'm just asking what those statements were because I don't remember them.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:03 am

Well heres the thing that gets me for McCain and Palin; both believe in research for autism. In addition, McCain would not go after my family as a whole for money whereas obama does.

Hunter
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:16 am



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 262):
He was a mediocre and overcautious officer, I thought, and let himself be completely rolled by the State department bureaucracy.

What a difference an endorsement makes!  Wow!
Dude, you were totally in love with the guy and offered nothing but praise for him back in the early 2000s. I have a good memory and your post praising him is well documented at this site.
So don't go back on you word and pretend you had nothing good to say about him.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 262):
Can you remind me?

Should I point out your previous name?  Smile
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:35 am



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 262):
Really, I had nothing against the man, but never thought he was that great. He was a mediocre and overcautious officer, I thought, and let himself be completely rolled by the State department bureaucracy. Can you remind me?

A few selections:

If it asked "who do you trust more", and trying to think as an American:

5. Powell


another:

Powell has what you call "Command Presence", a solid background of public service, and is pretty smart, as well as being a "minority", which gives him (and the country) additional firepower. Not a bad choice.

Your words buddy.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:37 am



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 263):
Can you name one single statement that Senator Obama had about the credit crisis in the first week that had any affect whatsoever on policy?

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=rSCMd9OIUE4

McCain didn't speak in the debate.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:51 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 255):
Which Murkowski?

Senator Lisa.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 259):
I tend to think ole' General Powell has lost his marbles, to be honest.

Jesse Jackson
Fidel Castro
Muammar Ghadafi
Hugo Chavez

and now we can add the great American war hero Gen. Colin Powell.

You've lost your marbles if you're trying to put Colin Powell into the same group as those people. Hell, I'm not even sure Jesse Jackson belongs in that group, and I'm no fan of his.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 264):
Well heres the thing that gets me for McCain and Palin; both believe in research for autism.

I think you'll find that Obama and Biden do as well.

-Mir
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:29 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 268):

I think you'll find that Obama and Biden do as well.

I think McCain will invest more money into it than obama and biden.

Hunter
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:35 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 268):
You've lost your marbles if you're trying to put Colin Powell into the same group as those people. Hell, I'm not even sure Jesse Jackson belongs in that group, and I'm no fan of his.

No, Colin belongs just fine. I forgot Louis Farrakhan though.

Those are influential people of the world who have thrown their support behind the Obamanator.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:43 pm



Quoting NAV20 (Reply 266):

That was on October 1st. Most of the speech is regurgitated soundbite lines from the administration and Senate and House leaders. Where was he the week before? Locked into a debate. Senator McCain realized what was more important.

http://www.todayonline.com/articles/277791.asp
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:59 pm



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 269):
I think McCain will invest more money into it than obama and biden.

His idea of a spending freeze might put a damper on that.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 270):
No, Colin belongs just fine. I forgot Louis Farrakhan though.

Those are influential people of the world who have thrown their support behind the Obamanator.

By your logic, President Bush and Osama bin Laden are one and the same, since they both support religion.

Perhaps you don't realize this, but it is possible for people to disagree with you and not have mental problems.

-Mir
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:54 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 272):
By your logic, President Bush and Osama bin Laden are one and the same, since they both support religion.

I don't know what you mean. I was listing the big names I distinctly remember, from the main stream press, putting their support behind Obama. I wasn't making any comparisons between religions

Quoting Mir (Reply 272):
Perhaps you don't realize this, but it is possible for people to disagree with you and not have mental problems.

If you do disagree with the list, you just may have mental problems.....but more like just a senior moment type memory bubble.  Wink I didn't just make it up Mir.....Freedom haters, capitalism haters, and religious haters the world over are backing Obama. We have entered the last times.  Sad
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:35 pm



Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 273):
Freedom haters, capitalism haters, and religious haters the world over are backing Obama.

The Foreign and Finance Ministers of Singapore are religion and capitalism haters? The new Prime Minister of Japan is all three? Kevin Rudd of Australia? Helen Clark of New Zealand?

Painting with a mighty large brush there, aren't we?
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:41 pm

It seems the NY Times is going to focus on McCain and his medical situation. It appears that McCain's 'limited release' of his records is a cause of concern - and rightfully so.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1...ork-times-publishing_n_136002.html

"Both Barack Obama and Joe Biden released recent medical records to the Times showing that they were healthy, though Altman notes that Biden's documents "did not indicate whether he had had a test in recent years to detect any new aneurysm," and Obama's most recent check-up was in January 2007."

Meanwhile, "Nothing is known publicly about Ms. Palin's medical history," Altman reports, "aside from the much-discussed circumstances surrounding the birth of her fifth child last April. Ms. Palin has said that her water broke while she was at a conference in Dallas and that she flew to Anchorage, where she gave birth to her son Trig hours after landing.

"Last week Maria Comella, a spokeswoman for Ms. Palin, said the governor declined to be interviewed or provide any health records."

It appears Palin has down right refused to release hers.

And after speaking to a few women at an Obama event friday nite..I suspect why.

Palin's medical records would disclose the truth about 'her pregnancy'..you know... the baby that's suppose to be hers ... that ISN'T.

The women with whom I was speaking at 'point-blank range' refused to buy Palin sudden 'I'm pregnant story'. it was interesting to just LISTEN... to women discuss this.

1)The whole sudden (at 6-7 months) " guess what...I'm pregnant" (You don't look it)

2) Her water 'breaks' at the Gov's Convention Dallas and she goes on to give her speech instead of seeking doctors advice & medical attention.

3) Afterwards she flies from DFW-SEA-ANC (8hours total)..then drives to Wasilla .. and gives birth.

a. If she *was* pregnant and did choose to make that long trip after her water broke, especially given the fact that she would be considered a high-risk pregnancy due to her age alone, then she is a moron of the highest (lowest?) order.

b. And if she was *not* pregnant and decided to rush home so that she could pretend that newborn Trig was her child in order to protect her political ambitions, then she is a liar.


4) Yet the hospital in Wasilla release of births...shows no record of the Gov having a baby that day.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/0...-release-trig-palins-birth-record/

"Here are [births at Mat-Su General in April 2008] listed on the hospital’s website. Trig Palin, who was born there, Sarah Palin tells us, on April 18 at 6.30 am, is nowhere to be found. If you can find any public record of Trig Palin’s birth anywhere, please let me know. I will gladly publish it as soon as I find it. So far, none exists that I have been able to track down."

5) Palin's Daughter, Bristol, is supposedly out of school for 5 months with mono.
Kids at her HS had rumors abuzz that she was pregnant before being yanked out for mono.
Mono last at it's longest 2 months at the most. So this is pure negligence of any mother to not seek intense treatment after two months. Either she's completely negligent and incompetent as a mother. OR she's a complete liar.

On top of that..we're led to believe that Bristol and Levi were having sex while Bristol had mono. The women I spoke with said that made no sense whatsoever. They concured that last thing on their minds with mono ... is sex. So if we are to believe the period of conception .. Levi and Bristol were boinking in her very 1st or 2nd month of 'mono'..this story is designed to overlap the birth of baby, Trig (by Palin..riiiight!). Of course, when Bristol pops this kid out..we'll be 'told' it's premature (when in truth it'll be full term because the current term most likely began far later than Palin/McCain are suggesting).

We have Barack Obama's birth certificate in this thread.. a 47 year old document. Why is it so difficult to produce a 5 month of certificate for Palin's so-called kid, Trig. Why can we not see all the Gov's medical records? Why? Because --- she did not have this baby..and regardless of Joe the Plumber (who's name is Sam and he isn't a certified plumber) and Ayers, who was bad (piss poor bad..blew sh*t up .. but he didn't kill anyone) is being discussed..a lie that is closest to our testament of true character ... is slipping by and sold as truth. If a person can lie about their own child or lack thereof...they can lie about ANYTHING. Palin is dangerous, if there is a person not to be trusted with power, it is this kind of individual, a person who can pull this off and act like no one will notice.

This is the Vice President of the United States were talking about, not a Walmart manager. This calls for a serious investigation. We've had one lying sack of sh*t as a VP...we don't need a try once more to see how it works. If we, the American people, in the face of these incomplete disclosures..(disclosures that require no 'outside parties' just the Palin Family alone) to stand, we will allow the worst kind of liar to walk right into power. One that will lie at any cost.. even over the most trivial of matters AND of the most precious (our families). But it won't come to that...because..

When Palin/McCain loses..this will all come to ahead in the local politics of Alaska..as the sharks will now smell the blood in the water. Kids from the high school after graduating..are going to talk. Palin will be disclosed as the fraud she is. After Nov. 4th, local politics will demand that she ponies up all medical documents, and come clean or she'll get done in by lies that she herself initiated... she may have pulled a fast one over the people of Alaska (temporarily)...but it appears it will not work on the US populous.

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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:00 pm



You stay classy, First Dude.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:01 pm



Quoting BN747 (Reply 275):

And after speaking to a few women at an Obama event friday nite..I suspect why.

Perhaps not the best source for objective information about anyone...including Obama.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 275):
piss poor bad..blew sh*t up .. but he didn't kill anyone

It has already been established that the McCain campaign has reached new levels of idiocy pursuing the Ayers angle - so why bring him up again, much less make rationalized excuses for his ridiculous past?

Quoting BN747 (Reply 275):
If a person can lie about their own child or lack thereof...they can lie about ANYTHING

Definitely.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 275):
populous

Sorry, that's 'populace'  Wink Populous refers to the extrametropolitan region of 75 million people where I live.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:03 pm



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 274):
Painting with a mighty large brush there, aren't we?

Welcome to Liberal Re-definition hour.

If A,B,and C are a part of D, does that mean E cannot also be a part of D?

Where.....

A = Freedom haters
B = capitalism haters
C = religion haters

D = Obamaniacs

E = the rare defector from reason, who by some need to not be labelled a racist or a homophobe or a christian, has chosen to carry water for BO.

These people The new Prime Minister of Japan is all three? Kevin Rudd of Australia? Helen Clark of New Zealand? seem to be part of group E.  Wink
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:20 pm

Yeah....this is really funny stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awMMJuLwMA8

Real terrorists supporting BO and the hollywood media ignores it, while this embarrassment of a show rolls without complaint.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:23 pm



Quoting BN747 (Reply 275):
Meanwhile, "Nothing is known publicly about Ms. Palin's medical history," Altman reports, "aside from the much-discussed circumstances surrounding the birth of her fifth child last April. Ms. Palin has said that her water broke while she was at a conference in Dallas and that she flew to Anchorage, where she gave birth to her son Trig hours after landing.

Woah, a pilot took off on a 6-hour flight with a woman aboard whose water had just broken?

He's either really brave or really dumb. And the distinction between bravery and stupidity is a fine one.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:38 pm



Quoting BN747 (Reply 275):
If a person can lie about their own child or lack thereof...they can lie about ANYTHING. Palin is dangerous, if there is a person not to be trusted with power, it is this kind of individual, a person who can pull this off and act like no one will notice

I'm certainly not a fan of Palin but most of the information you presented is speculative at best, if not downright party propaganda. And why should I consider her family situation in selecting which candidate to vote for? I would consider her experience (or lack thereof), her policies, stance on issues, etc, but what does her kid (regardless of whether she's the real or mother or not) have to do with her abilities to execute the duties of a VP? This only detracts from the real issues at hand.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 259):
I tend to think ole' General Powell has lost his marbles, to be honest.

Jesse Jackson
Fidel Castro
Muammar Ghadafi
Hugo Chavez

and now we can add the great American war hero Gen. Colin Powell.

I'm assuming this was a poor attempt at a joke. Gen. Colin Powell is head and shoulders above most members of Congress and the Executive branch (if not all) that are serving right now; to downgrade him like this simply because he chose a candidate that you don't care for is childish. It takes away any credibility from your other posts in which you may present valid points regarding the issues.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 262):
We are on the brink of allowing three far-left individuals, Obama, Pelosi and Ried, complete control over the country, at worst with a filibuster-proof majority in the house. The advent of the managerial state will have arrived in force, after creeping in slowly over the past few decades.

While I am confident that it will lead to disaster, and a rediscovery of conservatism even stronger than the 1994 mid-terms which will bring in a conservative government to fix the mess, it will still be a hell of a mess to clean up, and I really don't want to be a taxpayer stuck with that bill.

I don't care much for Sen Obama but to imply that his election will lead to a disaster is far fetched. IMO neither candidate really excites me but both should be able to do a better job than the current administration, and neither will lead the nation to a "disaster". If anything, the mess we have right now with a combination of an unpopular (and costly) war in Iraq, the unfinished war on terror in Afghanistan, and the economic crisis (coupled with that idiotic bailout), how could we possibly go lower?

If Americans do decide to elect into power an all left government controlling both Congress and the WH then perhaps it should be a sign for the GOP that the public wants a new direction and McCain failed to present a more attractive alternative (or distance himself enough from the current President, which I think he is but his campaign is doing a terrible job in promoting).

As a side note, it would be nice to have a thread where you can talk about both sides at once instead of having to jump from one thread to the other. Many of us don't actually belong to either party and could use a thread without having to read the partisan kool-aid most take as the gospel in here.
 
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Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:40 pm

G.Beck has interesting point this morning... In the Bush tax cut plan he lowered the income level tax rate to zero on those who earn below a certain annual amount. The Dems plan on not renewing the Bush tax plan ... does this mean taxes will go up on those people? According to his numbers , 40% of citizens currently pay no federal taxes ... will they now pay taxes ?.

Man another bad decision by the Bush Admin , letting 40% off the hook while the rest of us pay up ! WTF ! But it worked I guess , in 2007 the Fed took in more taxes than any point in our history . So what is Sen Obama's plan ? Lower from zero ? So they pay negative taxes .... ? That should be interesting ...

Quoting BN747 (Reply 275):
Ms. Palin has said that her water broke while she was at a conference in Dallas and that she flew to Anchorage, where she gave birth to her son Trig hours after landing.

This is up there with the level of those who have said Senator Obama married Michelle because the South Chicago politico was saying he was not black enough. Comments were made that he married her because she was a family friend of Jackson Jr . and gave him credibility in the eyes of those who were calling him too white! . And they did , frontline has the TV adds from his opponents campaign calling him nothing short of uncle tom. Ugly stuff my man , and should not be part of the campaign.

This kind of stuff is pretty sickening and belongs only in the confines of their personal life. !
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:44 pm



Quoting BN747 (Reply 275):
It seems the NY Times is going to focus on McCain and his medical situation. It appears that McCain's 'limited release' of his records is a cause of concern - and rightfully so.

I seem to remember that President Clinton declined to release all of his medical records, and the press and other democrats backed him up on the right of privacy.
 
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Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:00 pm



Quoting BN747 (Reply 275):
Palin's medical records would disclose the truth about 'her pregnancy'..you know... the baby that's suppose to be hers ... that ISN'T.

This is not the first time we've seen this sort of stuff, and it's probably not the last. I think conclusions about the origin of this child are speculative at best.

That being said, Palin could make this go away if she would just release the records. The fact that she hasn't done so does raise questions. She apparently feels this sort of info is nobody's business but hers and she is withholding the records based on principle. Then again, maybe there is something in those records she doesn't want disclosed.

At this point it's crystal clear that Palin has become a very serious liability to the McCain campaign. Outside the populist base of her party, she is widely viewed as unqualified and a very poor choice for VP. Questions about her medical history will only add to that liability.

I believe the mathematics of this election are such that the McCain campaign has to be absolutely flawless in these last two weeks, they have to bat 1.000 to make it close. Even that might not be enough at this late stage, but if any additional concerns about Gov. Palin are raised it would be impossible.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:00 pm



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 283):
I seem to remember that President Clinton declined to release all of his medical records

He just wanted to avoid setting a Presidential record for the most VD treatments of any candidate.  Wink
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:03 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 280):
He's either really brave or really dumb. And the distinction between bravery and stupidity is a fine one.

Is the good doctor now saying a baby cannot be born aboard an airliner?

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 281):
It takes away any credibility from your other posts in which you may present valid points regarding the issues.

Chuck....Chuck....I am trying to make a point (shhhhh).
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:13 pm



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 281):
I don't care much for Sen Obama but to imply that his election will lead to a disaster is far fetched.

His election alone, no, it would not be such a disaster. But if you have the troika of Pelosi, Ried and Obama, and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, combined with a pliant and syncophant press, the fears of major disaster cannot be overstated.

When was the last time that such a majority existed? It was the 94th and 95th Congresses, from 1975 to 1979. I think you would agree that those congresses were hardly crowned with success, and they were far less leftist than today.

I would add that the 95th Congress, with Republicans powerless to stop them, passed the Community Reinvestment Act, which sowed the seeds of the financial meltdown we are enjoying now.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 281):
If Americans do decide to elect into power an all left government controlling both Congress and the WH then perhaps it should be a sign for the GOP that the public wants a new direction and McCain failed to present a more attractive alternative

On this I agree 100%. This is why conservatives were shocked at the idea of McCain as our nominee. His philosophies are too close to those of Democrats, and while the idea was that he would be able to woo centrists, I think that is a profound missread of the American public.

I feel certain that if McCain were a solid conservative who would reduce government interference in the market, reduce the size of government, reduce taxes, simplify the tax code and eliminate 75% of government programs (most of which overlap each other), and if he had a believable track record for doing it, he would be elected by a landslide, because that's what most people want.

But what conservatives feared would happen 9 months ago is coming true - McCain cannot seperate himself from traditionally democratic policies. His support for the bailout was a big mistake, and then he is is asking for another $300 billion for mortgage buyouts. WTF??? If he had said not to these two he'd be up by 10 points.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:30 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 287):
and syncophant press

That should be fun, do I get to conduct them? What are we playing Jamaican rhumba? Are you sure that Murdoch will play along with the syncopation? Well they do say those folk have rhythm.
 
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Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:22 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 287):
His support for the bailout was a big mistake, and then he is is asking for another $300 billion for mortgage buyouts.

I believe that the current 800 billion rescue package already includes this amount to be used
at the discretion of the U.S. Treasurer for mortgage purposes and McCain wants to use that
to help people with their mortgages in default. The problem I have with that is if they are not
going to use real market value to re-negotiate mortgages. If banks forclosed on these houses,
they would not be able to get above market value of these houses (where most of these home
mortgages are). They're going to have to take a loss one way or another IMO. I'd rather have
homeowners stay in their homes (but not the ones who haven't made a house payment in
months and could not even aford a re-negotiated mortgage, they need to go).

And all this BS talk about McCain's medical records: McCain was the one who gave an
extensive release of his medical records earlier in the year, and it was Obama who was
very selective in releasing his 2 or 3 page medical record release. McCain has been very
upfront with his medical history. Let me put it this way, if McCain wasn't forthcoming in
respect to his medical records, do you not think that we would be hearing about this nonstop from the media? Because we're not the last time I checked. As for the NY Times,
their journalistic integrity has gone out the window. The smear piece they just ran about
Cindy McCain proves it. Their reporter contacted a 16 year old friend of the McCain's
adopted daughter to find out information about Cindy McCain. That is low. Why don't
they ask Michelle Obama why she didn't join her husband at the 9/11 memorial (or as
she might know it as The Day The Chickens Came Home To Roost) by saying that she
wanted to be at home with her kids because it was the first week of school. But yet she
managed to speak at an event in Cincinnati the day before when her kids were also at school.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:25 pm



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 289):
And all this BS talk about McCain's medical records



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 289):
As for the NY Times,
their journalistic integrity has gone out the window

You should probably read the linked article.. It's critical of Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/20/us.../20health.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:25 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 287):
I feel certain that if McCain were a solid conservative who would reduce government interference in the market, reduce the size of government, reduce taxes, simplify the tax code and eliminate 75% of government programs (most of which overlap each other), and if he had a believable track record for doing it, he would be elected by a landslide, because that's what most people want.

I honestly don't see how you can come to that conclusion with a straight face. So people would really like to see a much more conservative candidate than John McCain? That person would win in a landslide?

We didn't see any expression of that in the GOP primary. None of the candidates from the far right were able to make any progress against McCain. It wasn't even close. It seems to me that even the GOP faithful were looking to move the party back toward the center, that's why McCain won so easily.

...., and now in the General Election roughly half of the country will vote for Obama even though they secretly covet an ultra-conservative who would eliminate 75% of the government? That seems like a very strange conclusion.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:28 pm



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 264):
Well heres the thing that gets me for McCain and Palin; both believe in research for autism.

Regardless of what they say McCain's plan to freeze spending would cut into that research.

While autism is bad there are "special needs children" who are far worse off. My wife spent 25 of her 40 years working as a Physical Therapist focusing on special need kids. Some, like those with CP have a far more difficult life - as do their parents. The focus today for these kids is eliminating the "preconditions" for medical insurance, continued treatment in the school environment (where my wife worked for years) and continues research in all areas, especially life threatening areas like acute leukemia.

My wife can't vote (she's still an Aussie) but she's had no problem seeing through Palin - that gal makes her spitting mad and I consider her more to the right than to the left.

Oh, and while some might praise McCain for his position on research for autism maybe it's time to ask why conservatives were against the expansion of the children's medical insurance program.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 286):
Is the good doctor now saying a baby cannot be born aboard an airliner?

A baby can be born anywhere - they come when they are ready. The issue is that airlines are against it because there might not be medical personnel on board to help if there are any problems. A bad delivery can cause a normal baby to end up a CP. Actually the airlines also don't like the mess that a birth on board leaves.  Wow!

If Palin actually traveled that far after her water broke on a 5th baby then it was an ignorant, irresponsible thing to do. Not the type of person you would want a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:38 pm



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 292):
Oh, and while some might praise McCain for his position on research for autism maybe it's time to ask why conservatives were against the expansion of the children's medical insurance program.

You mean the one that would raise the threashold income level to qualify? I think they
believd that current policy holders with dependents on their plan would drop that covergae
and put them on the government's plan if they became eligible income-wise to do so.
Why wouldn't they do that, it would save them a lot of money (at the taxpayer's expense).
 
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Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:38 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 287):
I feel certain that if McCain were a solid conservative who would reduce government interference in the market, reduce the size of government, reduce taxes, simplify the tax code and eliminate 75% of government programs (most of which overlap each other), and if he had a believable track record for doing it, he would be elected by a landslide, because that's what most people want.

But the conservatives have NEVER had a candidate like this and never will. Even the most worshipped Republican, Ronald Reagan, didn't do anything like this.

Of course, there's a reason why Republicans won't try this. First, dramatic cutbacks in gov't spending would lead to millions of layoffs (direct or indirect). For better or worse, bloated gov't spending does create a lot of jobs (see the Washington, DC economy as exhibit A). Second, cutting gov't programs like farm subsidies, medicare and social security would turn millions of traditional Republican voters against the party.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 287):
McCain cannot seperate himself from traditionally democratic policies.

McCain's problem isn't that he is adopting democratic policies, but that he had no economic policies to start with. Throughout his time in office, he paid scant attention to the economy and admitted it wasn't his area of strength. Now, times are tough and McCain doesn't know what to do, so he wildly swings between ideas. To make matters worse, he chose a running mate who is even less competent on the economy.
 
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Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:21 pm



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 277):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 275):

And after speaking to a few women at an Obama event friday nite..I suspect why.

Perhaps not the best source for objective information about anyone...including Obama.

The subject of my post #275 is that it is a uniquely 'woman's story/issue'...no their opinions re:Obama falls in the mix with everyone else's. Sorry pal, but they are the experts on this sort of thing...not us.

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 284):

That being said, Palin could make this go away if she would just release the records.

Correct... that would end it all. But as you stated..she could feel it's a private matter...

However...

Quoting BN747 (Reply 275):
"Here are [births at Mat-Su General in April 2008]

The fact that the Wasilla Mat-Su General Hospital which does make public live births .. does not do list the Gov downloading a kid. IF the Gov' ran around telling everyone at 6 months..that she's pregnant, why would she have a problem with the hospital announcing it???

Answer: She wouldn't... it would go hand-n-hand with her "Hey, guess what> Surprise! I'm pregnant" story.

Now, if a minor has a kid, like her daughter, Bristol, then as in criminal offenses..the name of a minor can most likely be with held as it was in this case.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 282):
This is up there with the level of those who have said Senator Obama married Michelle because the South Chicago politico was saying he was not black enough.

Boy, what ever field that came out of..true or not..this is soooo NOT in the same league as lying about your kid..

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 281):

I'm certainly not a fan of Palin but most of the information you presented is speculative at best, if not downright party propaganda. And why should I consider her family situation in selecting which candidate to vote for?

Because this is far worse than those Congressmen who lie and say they went to Vietnam fought and were awarded certain awards. If that kind of deceit is okay with you for obtaining public office....then clearly, what Palin could very well be pulling is very okay with you too. And you've a great tolerance for lies (that can be investigated and proven true or false) and they've no bearing on persons character in your book.


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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:22 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 287):
I feel certain that if McCain were a solid conservative who would reduce government interference in the market, reduce the size of government, reduce taxes, simplify the tax code and eliminate 75% of government programs (most of which overlap each other), and if he had a believable track record for doing it, he would be elected by a landslide, because that's what most people want.

I think that's a bit far stretch of reality there, Dreadnought. Like other posters have stated, McCain won his party's primary comfortably, while the far-right candidates were left in the shelf. To be honest, the main reason I liked McCain was because he was not a far-right conservative, but rather a moderate one who saw good in some government programs (I know it's a shock but government programs sometimes are necessary, such as the EPA, national parks, defense, etc). Now that he is the candidate he elected (for some strange reason) to try to appeal to the right wingers more than the moderates (as if the far-right was ever in jeopardy to vote for Obama). Here nearly lost me. Then he chose Palin as his runningmate and that might be the end of his campaign. He is a fine man and has served the country really well, and he should have stayed at the center if he wanted to have a real shot at the Presidency (and ignore the cries from the far right who wanted a true conservative, which apparently doesn't exist anymore).

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 287):
His support for the bailout was a big mistake, and then he is is asking for another $300 billion for mortgage buyouts. WTF??? If he had said not to these two he'd be up by 10 points.

On this point I think both candidates failed. Even as a socialist I could see that this was one piece of legislation that should have been returned to Bush stamped "Thanks, but no Thanks". Had one of them decided to vote against the bailout that might have been enough to make me want to vote for him, but alas, both of them went down the path of rewarding irresponsible behavior. Oh well, I'm already telling my niece to save money to pay off this debt when she grows up!
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:40 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 287):
When was the last time that such a majority existed? It was , from 1975 to 1979.

Once again you're wrong Gerald Ford, a republican was President until Jan 1977.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 269):
I think McCain will invest more money into it than obama and biden.

While I am sympathetic to parents of children with autism or any other ailment, bills that fund only a single disease simply don't make sense. For example, the recent discovery of the first effective treatment for a form of macular degeneration, a major cause of blindness. Scientists who discovered the drug weren't studying the eye.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 292):
While autism is bad there are "special needs children" who are far worse off.

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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:20 pm



Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 273):
Freedom haters, capitalism haters, and religious haters the world over are backing Obama. We have entered the last times. Sad

I had to read this twice trying to find out if you were making fun or not. OMG you are serious!
What a huge load of BS  banghead 

You shouldn' t believe everything said by the far right republicans or the Guy on Fox news.
You are just fulfilling every prejudice the world has about a low educated and bigoted American. ( I know just a minority is thinking in that low category like MD80fanatic, and to make it clear I always enjoyed my visits in the US and the people there)
Not that I don' t respect your opinion and choice to go for Mc Cain but you have to come up with some better points. This terrorist and socialist thing is odd and ridiculous.
If this is the game the republicans want to play for the next 2 weeks they must assume the American people are stupid. Every halfway intelligent human being must see that this is nothing but bashing the opponent because of being unable to win on a contents wise basis!

If you were just making fun i apologize for the above and ask you to disregard it!
 
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RE: U.S. Election - McCain/Palin Campaign - Part 5

Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:31 pm



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 257):
Guys,

I recently got to see McCain and his wife at my college. I won a VIP ticket through my student government raffle and was 3 rows from him. It was amazing as I have never been to a function where a presidential nominee. All in all, it an awesome experience and I will post pics tomorrow.

Hunter

I hope you brought a few rotten apples to hurl... otherwise, what a waste of time.

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 260):
The posts from the McCain/Palin supporters on this forum make it fairly apparent that they've now gone completely off the deep end.

 checkmark  No doubt. It's gone from irrational to outright lunacy.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 263):
According to Mr. Powell, Senator Obama impressed him with his calm and his statements. I'm just asking what those statements were because I don't remember them.

Have you been living under a rock over the last couple months? Did you even watch any of the debates? If you can answer 'yes' to either question, then you have all the examples you need.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 273):
Freedom haters, capitalism haters, and religious haters the world over are backing Obama. We have entered the last times.

Wow... talk about reducing the little credibility you had down to zero. It's hard to imagine that the vast majority of the world's population are what you have labelled them.
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