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Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:37 am

Hi all!

I remember back in 2004/2005 I was in Taunton, Somerset and usually had to go to London for some meetings. I usually took the FGW train to London Paddington and while I had to wait for my train there I discovered that almost all the trains leave their diesel engines on while waiting for the next departure. As you can see in the pictures London Paddington railway station has a roof and all the diesel fumes will stay inside this station. It's not like it is totally full of it but you can see the deposits of the Diesel fumes everywhere especially in the upper half of the dome. And of course you can smell it.

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It was really smelly and I reckon it's not really healthy. I was only a frequent traveller but what about people who work there. I was never able to ask an employee about this but it has to be really dangerous for your lung, I guess.
For the London residents or people who travelled through Paddington recently.
Is it still full of Diesel Fumes or has something changed there. Or is it not really dangerous but just a bit smelly?


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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:10 am



Quoting Jush (Thread starter):
Is it still full of Diesel Fumes or has something changed there.

Well back in 2004/2005 the trains you are talking about that made all that smoke was the Class 43, HST or Intercity 125 trains. Pick a name, it's that old it's been known as all of them!

By the time 2005 rolled around it was made clear that these trains (built 1976-1982) were to carry on in service longer than expected and as such a life extention programe began. The original engine in the HST was the Paxman Valenta however after trials on two power cars, it was decided that they would be replaced with MTU 16V 4000 engines. These engines boast reduced smoke and exhaust emissions and improved reliability. Et voila, we have today's fleet with totally overhauled carriages too. You really couldn't tell these trains are 30 years old!

Also when they went to get re-engined they had new lights fitted to the front which as aside makes it easier to identify which power cars have been re-engined. Take these two GNER units for example, old at the top and new below.

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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:56 am



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 1):
The original engine in the HST was the Paxman Valenta however after trials on two power cars, it was decided that they would be replaced with MTU 16V 4000 engines. These engines boast reduced smoke and exhaust emissions and improved reliability.

Definately not what a trainspotter would know!

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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:10 pm

You can't beat Paddington station. I reckon it's the closest we can come to the good old days of the steam engine with the noisy diesel engines chucking out smoke, much more character then these soulless electric trains.
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:54 pm

It's still like that to a certain extent. Admittedly, the tickets I'm on never allow me to go on the HSTs, so I'm always stuck leaving Paddington on those wretched Turbos (Class 165s and 166s for the sake of commuters in the know) from the end of the station that never seemed to get the overhaul the rest of Paddington received. It's grotty, it's unpleasant, it's FGW, and I now mostly get the bus when I go into London from Oxford. Reclining seats, free wifi, free breakfast, more legroom, and a guaranteed seat for about a third of the price mostly manage to make up for the longer journey time.
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:23 pm

As a daily commuter myself on these Class 43 HST run by East Midlands Trains which I much prefer than the newer Class 222 Meridian. The HST remains elegantly looking and so quiet when travelling as the power cars are only in the front and rear. I also live in the town where the HST engines get their overhauled at Brush. They are still quite smoky though.
 
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:25 pm



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 1):
Also when they went to get re-engined they had new lights fitted to the front which as aside makes it easier to identify which power cars have been re-engined.

I knew you would show up.

I can confirm that all FGW trains have been reengined - and will be in service for at least another 10 years.

The trains, interestingly, they are replacing (more 43s coming into the fleet) are the 4 year old Adelantes.

Which is amusing.
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:39 am



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 1):
All this from a commuter in the know? Mad eh! Big grin

Absolutely but I loved these trains when I commuted in 2004/2005.
I loved to ride them and although they aren't very modern they have the charme of railway travel. I really enjoyed my trips on them.
To hear that they have been reengined and will stay for longer makes me happy although I can't get a ride on them lately.

I much prefered them on my routes as the Virgin Pendolinos aren't the same class in my opinion. Much noisier and cramped.

Add to that in 2004 FGW had that nice little restaurant coach where you could get pretty neat sausage sandwiches. A shame though that they lost one unit near Reading that year.

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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:56 am



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 4):
so I'm always stuck leaving Paddington on those wretched Turbos (Class 165s and 166s for the sake of commuters in the know)

Thank yourself lucky you have the later BREL units. We are stuck with all sorts of 1980's junk!

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 2):
Definately not what a trainspotter would know!

Nope, glad you agree!

Quoting Sky0000547 (Reply 5):
I also live in the town where the HST engines get their overhauled at Brush. They are still quite smoky though.

Ahh, Loughborough.  Wink

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 6):
I knew you would show up.

As I knew you would appear too!

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 6):
The trains, interestingly, they are replacing (more 43s coming into the fleet) are the 4 year old Adelantes.

Indeed, it's quite funny. Pansy southerners moaning all the time. They are just a faster version of our 175's which we all loved up here! Commuters that is. In any case Northern Rail have just taken on the first of three units to run them from Manchester Victoria to Blackpool North. No idea what they are thinking but it beats a Pacer!

Quoting Jush (Reply 7):
Add to that in 2004 FGW had that nice little restaurant coach where you could get pretty neat sausage sandwiches.

Ahh yes, I remember those. I took the FGW Night Riviera sleeper train to Penzance once and was rather impressed with their sausage sandwiches. Then again I only had a Virgin Trains bacon bap last weekend and it was most enjoyable! Big grin
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:23 am



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 8):
Then again I only had a Virgin Trains bacon bap last weekend and it was most enjoyable! 

Alas, Virgin. How I miss them. I spend far too much of my life on CrossCountry trains.

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 8):
Thank yourself lucky you have the later BREL units. We are stuck with all sorts of 1980's junk!

Let's just say they haven't aged well...

I quite like the retro train experience though; dividing my time as I do between the North and the South (currently in the former) I get my fair share of 142s etc, plus of course there's nothing quite like the Tyne and Wear Metro - Geordie announcers, the infamous "Loser Lists", and of course a colour scheme that makes it look like it was built in a parallel 1980s when Newcastle was a socialist republic!

Alas, in the time that I've lived up here, those worn but comfortable old 158s have been replaced with the cold, clinical, and generally uninspiring 185s. Sad...
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:31 am



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 9):
Alas, in the time that I've lived up here, those worn but comfortable old 158s have been replaced with the cold, clinical, and generally uninspiring 185s.

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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:42 am



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 10):
Any chance you ever had of me liking you has now gone out the window. Take that back, take it back now!   

Alas! What a conundrum! With whom do I side? The truth, or the trainspotter?

They're not bad. They are cold though (the consequence of doors not being separated from the passenger seating by vestibules is that the icy Northern gales rush in and chill one's toes), and the seats are a little hard (sitting on hard things is a little painful on the backside).

But then again I imagine you would expect such comments from a southerner like me.
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:50 am



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 11):
Alas! What a conundrum! With whom do I side? The truth, or the trainspotter?

Well thankfully I speak the truth here!

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 11):
They're not bad. They are cold though (the consequence of doors not being separated from the passenger seating by vestibules is that the icy Northern gales rush in and chill one's toes), and the seats are a little hard (sitting on hard things is a little painful on the backside).

What are you on about, I never have those issues oh but then again, I never sit in Standard class!  snooty 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/Class_185_First_Class.JPG

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 11):
But then again I imagine you would expect such comments from a southerner like me.

Actually I wouldn't as most of your commuter trains down south have doors central to the carriages for faster loading and unloading! Oh and I just read this before.  yuck 

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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:16 am



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 12):

You boosted someones beemer ?
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:26 am



Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 13):
You boosted someones beemer ?

Why yes. It's currently parked down in Bracknell if you want it.
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:31 am

Yes, but then again we don't have icy northern winds down south!

So at what point does the NRM in York become a legitimate site for an a.net meet? Or has it already happened?
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:37 am



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 15):
So at what point does the NRM in York become a legitimate site for an a.net meet? Or has it already happened?

10 months ago LHRjc wanted to go so I went with him as he was a bit embarrassed to go on his own.

Also in line with this thread here is a photo that was taken that day of the prototpye HST.  embarrassed 

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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:57 pm

ahem....

We didn't speak a second about diesel fumes and paddington, did we?
.... talking about a highkacked thread...

Anyway it's a nice discussion though

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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:10 pm



Quoting Jush (Reply 17):
We didn't speak a second about diesel fumes and paddington, did we?

From what I understand diesel fumes aren't that dangerous, certainly not as dangerous as petrol powered vehicles. I can't think that this is a health concern.

A few yrs ago I was at Bristol Parkway and was in the bridge over the tracks when an accelerating train pulled away. The bridge filled with black smoke in no time, it was disgusting! I think the bridge has been replaced/rebuilt now.
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:19 pm

It's probably well ventilated, and the high roof means it's not much of a safety concern. I know that diesels aren't allowed at Victoria because of the low roof.
 
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:36 pm



Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 18):
A few yrs ago I was at Bristol Parkway and was in the bridge over the tracks when an accelerating train pulled away. The bridge filled with black smoke in no time, it was disgusting! I think the bridge has been replaced/rebuilt now.

I think it has, last time I made a change there it was a completely enclosed walkway.

The HSTs are miles better than the Voyagers/Meridiens other pieces of plastic crap. When I'm on a long journey I don't want the engine to be underneath me as, no matter how much insulation the designers put in, you can still feel the vibration - after a couple of hours it's bloody annoying.

Most of the work for First Great Western's Class 43s was carried out at DML in Plymouth, stupidly it was actually cheaper for the power cars to be lifted onto low loaders and moved by road the 5 miles from First's depot to the rail accessible site where the work was being carried out than pay for a path by rail.


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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:38 am



Quoting Jush (Reply 17):

We didn't speak a second about diesel fumes and paddington, did we?



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 1):
Well back in 2004/2005 the trains you are talking about that made all that smoke was the Class 43, HST or Intercity 125 trains.



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 1):
These engines boast reduced smoke and exhaust emissions and improved reliability



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 4):
It's still like that to a certain extent.

I suppose that doesn't constitute much of a discussion, but still...
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:40 am



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 19):
It's probably well ventilated, and the high roof means it's not much of a safety concern. I know that diesels aren't allowed at Victoria because of the low roof.

Except the one that hauls the Pullman/Orient express. That uses Platform 2 (the old sleeper train platform) which is over in the South Eastern section with the high roof.
 
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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:06 pm



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 16):
10 months ago LHRjc wanted to go so I went with him as he was a bit embarrassed to go on his own.

Oh for goodness sake! Why has my name been banded around a train thread! I didn't even notice this thread let alone have anything to contribute, until someone told me I appeared in it!

Paddington is noisy and smelly, and apart from using the Heathrow Express, serves no purpose in my life! Now if there's anything you want to know about London Bridge, I could probably point you in the direction of the trains, and the fact the Tannoy's totally screwed up. Oh and there's no roof and no diesel trains to annoy people.

I mean seriously how come planes have to divert around posh people's houses at low altitude but these knackered old noisy heaps are allowed to roam the country scaring poor wildlife and said posh people?!

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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:38 am



Quoting LHRjc (Reply 23):
Oh for goodness sake! Why has my name been banded around a train thread!

Because for the past two weekends we have both been on trains together and you're a closet nerd! The first weekend we went on a Virgin Voyager to Lancaster and various other things alla 185's to MAN. Last weekend we took a Virgin Pendolino to Euston and Southeastern Networkers to Kent, Class 150's to Blackpool, Class 158's home again and a late night 185 which had those women with dildo's onboard. Don't try deny any of this! Actually, you probably won't have time today and why is that? Oh yes! Because you are meeting me at Leeds station later on to catch a Class 170 to Hull! Why are you meeting me at Leeds and not Hull? Because you haven't been on a 170 before! Big grin

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 23):
and before you even think about posting pictures that contain me and a train TCX332, just remember I have worse of you

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RE: Diesel Fumes In London Paddington

Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:17 am



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 24):
And I have that photo of you naked in Amsterdam! Be warned fool!

Why are you warning him? You should be warning us about posting such photos! At least now I know to not visit this thread anymore. The risk is too great.
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