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kevi747
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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:18 am



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 47):
I would rather make no decision at all than a very stupid decision

Careful, that's an easier way of saying "I give up." Also known as, the mantra of quitters.

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 47):
you obviously feel differently.

Absolutely. In every possible way.

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 47):
Good luck with your future life choices.

Thank you. I hope you're not angry. This back and forth bickering is all in good fun. I know that many Americans (myself included) are upset with what has become of our country. There are passionate arguments all around and people are desperate for change. But you shouldn't pass up an opportunity to take a stand one way or the other and make a choice. Until we're all mad enough to rise up, storm Washington, and reclaim this country it's all we can do. Sorry if I pissed you off.  Smile
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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:20 am



Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 50):
people are desperate for change

Are they really?

More to the point, what sort of change?

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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:32 pm



Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 50):
Careful, that's an easier way of saying "I give up." Also known as, the mantra of quitters.

Just because you want to make a very stupid and rash decision does not mean everyone else has to.

Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 50):
This back and forth bickering is all in good fun.

I personally find is very offensive. I don't enjoy bickering, and I don't think that the country going into the economic dumps for a very long time is "all in good fun".

Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 50):
There are passionate arguments all around and people are desperate for change.

Lots of passion, but very little common sense or logic. That is why we have morons as are our choices for the last several elections. That is also why we are in this economiuc situation (and it is the fault of both parties).

Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 50):
But you shouldn't pass up an opportunity to take a stand one way or the other and make a choice.

A choice between dog poop and cat poop? It's still poop in the end.
 
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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:06 am

Well, that was interesting............NOT.

For those of you who are still undecided, you have only one week from today to make up ypur mind.

It is time to sh#@ or get off the pot, now folks.

I believe that Obama, if elected, will renig on almost everything. He will say, sometime after 5 Nov. that things were worse than he thought, and Bush withheld a lot of info from him. Then he will have to increase taxes on everyone, and redistribute as he sees fit.
 
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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:22 am

Actually, the best source of information if you are researching the candidates is to look at the congressional records of who has voted for what and who has initiated which bills. You can search by senator.

http://thomas.loc.gov/

A lot more reliable than media soundbites and accusations from the candidates themselves.
 
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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:33 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 53):
I believe that Obama, if elected, will renig on almost everything.

Uh, considering the circumstances and the subject, that might be one misspelling to be avoided.
I believe you meant "renege"..
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/renege


For me, I'd been all about McCain for years... Until he caved to the Christan Right. And while I admire him, that's kind of a dealbreaker for me. That's how my "undecided" came to be.
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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:49 am



Quoting 4holer (Reply 55):
Uh, considering the circumstances and the subject, that might be one misspelling to be avoided.
I believe you meant "renege"..

Perhaps you are right, sorry.

Quoting 4holer (Reply 55):
For me, I'd been all about McCain for years... Until he caved to the Christan Right. And while I admire him, that's kind of a dealbreaker for me. That's how my "undecided" came to be.

While I agree with you on that one issue, how many others do you and McCain disagree with? How many issues do you agree with Obama on?
 
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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:51 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 56):
While I agree with you on that one issue, how many others do you and McCain disagree with? How many issues do you agree with Obama on?

I can't speak for 4holer, but I felt the same way about McCain and probably would have voted for him in 2000.

Granted politicians will have to compromise and adjust their realities once in office to get bills and effective legislation passed. However, I can not overlook something so fundamentally distasteful and wrong-headed as McCain's open embrace of the religious right. McCain himself said they were the problem in 2000, 2001, 2002 repeatedly and loudly. So for him to do an entire 180 degree, and warmly embrace the very people he decried as what was wrong with politics and the Republican party told me he would sell out any belief he had. Same thing on taxes. He didn't just move to the right to try to gain the nomination he became identical to the extreme right wing of the party and the Bush policies. His pick of Palin has cemented that loadstone of opinion around his neck with other independents as well. Country first, my arse. He put party first. Nominating someone so unfit to be President doesn't show "maverickism" it shows ineptitude.
 
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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:57 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 56):
While I agree with you on that one issue, how many others do you and McCain disagree with? How many issues do you agree with Obama on?

Again, that's part of the problem. As like when a son to be divorced couple says "I don't know who you are anymore", I'm not sure what McCain really stands for as it seems to be a moving target.
When McCain got skewered by TV Funhouse/ Fun With Real Audio on SNL a few years back, it kind of summarized the issue of his selling his soul to the Far Right. Lets see if I can find that online...
(Google takes me to this link, but I'm not sure the video works since I'm at work and can't try to run it.)
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/002211.php

and here..
http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi1446641689/

Just sums up my disappointment in him.

But parroting the word "change" over and over is easy to do as well, but that doesn't make the parrot qualified to lead us either...

Well, at least there are some propositions on the ballot here in AZ I am sure about my vote.
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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:01 pm

I have never been undecided at any election. But if I had to take part in the choise which is presented to the Americans these days....?

One man living in a past century, and a well grown teenager who only know one word. If only that one word had been "improvement" or "deterioration", then... How unspecific can a man be?

When seeing the two combatants or TV or reading about their campaigns, then I can't help but think that among 300 million Americans there must be at least 200 million more capable individuals. In the first place, what made these two gentlemen politicians?

If I was American, then I think that for the first time ever I would stay at home on election day.
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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:11 pm



Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 57):
I can't speak for 4holer, but I felt the same way about McCain and probably would have voted for him in 2000.

Granted politicians will have to compromise and adjust their realities once in office to get bills and effective legislation passed. However, I can not overlook something so fundamentally distasteful and wrong-headed as McCain's open embrace of the religious right. McCain himself said they were the problem in 2000, 2001, 2002 repeatedly and loudly. So for him to do an entire 180 degree, and warmly embrace the very people he decried as what was wrong with politics and the Republican party told me he would sell out any belief he had. Same thing on taxes. He didn't just move to the right to try to gain the nomination he became identical to the extreme right wing of the party and the Bush policies.

While you truly can't speak for another, you pretty much do. Well put. Except that I absolutely would have voted for him in 2000. I wonder how the past 8 years would have turned out had the "principled McCain" won in 2000.
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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:43 pm



Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 57):
but I felt the same way about McCain and probably would have voted for him in 2000.

Granted politicians will have to compromise and adjust their realities once in office to get bills and effective legislation passed. However, I can not overlook something so fundamentally distasteful and wrong-headed as McCain's open embrace of the religious right. McCain himself said they were the problem in 2000, 2001, 2002 repeatedly and loudly. So for him to do an entire 180 degree, and warmly embrace the very people he decried as what was wrong with politics and the Republican party told me he would sell out any belief he had. Same thing on taxes. He didn't just move to the right to try to gain the nomination he became identical to the extreme right wing of the party and the Bush policies. His pick of Palin has cemented that loadstone of opinion around his neck with other independents as well. Country first, my arse. He put party first. Nominating someone so unfit to be President doesn't show "maverickism" it shows ineptitude.

Excellent post and one that pretty much summarizes how I feel. I just voted (taking advantage of the early voting opportunity to avoid the lines on election day) and pretty much everything you said was going through my head, today and last night as I was browsing the websites of both candidates for one last time. I voted for McCain in the primaries in 2000 and had that McCain been running today then I would have voted for him in a heartbeat. As it is, I ended up voting for the Republican candidate for the local council and for Obama for President. McCain's a great public servant and I respect him a lot, but his shift to the right plus the selection of Palin as his running mate did it for me.
 
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RE: I Don't Understand Undecided Voters

Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:50 pm



Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 57):
can't speak for 4holer, but I felt the same way about McCain and probably would have voted for him in 2000

A lot of my friends and i sat around discussing the same thing last night.

Basically the Conservative/Fundamental right wing of the republican party overtook this race and really made it difficult to choose McCain. Sarah Palin was a choice that rallied the conservativa base, but alienated the moderates. The other thing that drove us nuts was the fact that McCain is calling Socialism on the exact same tax plan he was supporting in 2000.

The above are my biggest reservations on voting for McCain. He has sacrificed his ideals for the Conservative wing of the Republican party, and he is no longer the "Maverick" he claims to be. If elected I highly doubt his ability to break away , and effectively lead without pandering to the Right wing of the republican party. This leaves us with another George Bush.

Out of the 5 of us last night 4 of us voted for Bush in the last election. None of us could stand Kerry. In this election it is appearing that 3 out of 5 will be voting for Obama.
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