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Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:06 pm

Nissan announced today that they plan to offer a new, entry-level version of the Versa sedan priced lower than any new car on sale in the U.S.. The 2009 Versa 1.6 sedan, which will go on sale on November 18, starts at $9,990 - which is $3,000 less than the current Versa S 1.8 sedan - and undercutting the next-closest Hyundai Accent by more than $1,000.

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2009 Nissan Versa 1.6 sedan


The new Versa 1.6 looks to be essentially the same Versa/Tilda sold outside of the U.S. with a smaller 1.6 liter engine. The four-cylinder produces 107 horsepower with a standard five-speed manual; a four-speed automatic is an extra-cost option.

Source: http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-a...t-expensive-car-on-sale-in-us.html

A brand new car priced under $10,000 USD that gets 26mpg city and 34mpg highway - I think Nissan has a sales winner on its hands!
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Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:10 pm

I thought Hyndai was he winner with their Accent. Also, please consider the rebates companies are giving like Dodge, Ford and Chevy. By the time the market gets up it will be the cheapest car sold but not currently if you don't count the rebates dealers and other compitetors are giving.

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Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:24 pm

Glad to see a new car on the market for under $10,000.00.
Still not my kind of car though.
For such a small, underpowered car, it gets poor gas mileage.
A 1.6 liter 4-banger should be getting in the high 30s city and low 40s highway.
It is only posting 26 MPG in the city.
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Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:52 pm



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
A brand new car priced under $10,000 USD that gets 26mpg city and 34mpg highway - I think Nissan has a sales winner on its hands!

Are you sure about those mileage figures? I get better gas mileage in my 2007 Toyota Corolla which has a 1.8-liter 4-cylinder engine producing 126 hp.

Either way, I like Nissans and and the Versa is a fairly nice looking subcompact.
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:00 am



Quoting BA (Reply 3):
Are you sure about those mileage figures? I get better gas mileage in my 2007 Toyota Corolla which has a 1.8-liter 4-cylinder engine producing 126 hp.

Yes. According to the source article sited, the Versa 1.6 gets slightly better fuel economy than the "regular" Versa S 1.8!
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Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 1):
Dodge, Ford and Chevy.

Do those named manufacturers all offer entry level models with economical 1.6ltr engines and 5 speed stick shift?
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Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 1):
I thought Hyndai was he winner with their Accent. Also, please consider the rebates companies are giving like Dodge, Ford and Chevy. By the time the market gets up it will be the cheapest car sold but not currently if you don't count the rebates dealers and other compitetors are giving.

Taken from Ford directly:
2008 Ford Escort : $1,500 Max Rebate Cash $12,895 after max rebate

and Nissan is offering 0% financing.
 
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:14 am



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 1):
Also, please consider the rebates companies are giving like Dodge, Ford and Chevy.

The domestic automakers will offer rebates but they offer them for a reason...their products are unpopular and suffer from decades of botched engineering which has created a bad reputation. A lot of shoppers will still pay for the Nissan/Honda/Toyota even if GM or Chrysler offers a bigger car heavily discounted. Plus consider that the imports hold their value better according to most resale value guides and it's a simple decision for the average buyer.
 
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:43 am



Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 5):
Do those named manufacturers all offer entry level models with economical 1.6ltr engines and 5 speed stick shift?

The most basic Chevy Aveo 5-door costs $11,965 and receives EPA Mileage Estimates of 27mpg city and 34mpg highway with a 1.6 liter engine (107 horsepower) with a 5 speed manual transmission.

Ford currently offers the larger Focus base priced at $14,995 with a larger 2 liter engine mated to a 5 speed manual that gets 24mpg city, but gets 35mpg highway.
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:03 am



Quoting BA (Reply 3):
Are you sure about those mileage figures? I get better gas mileage in my 2007 Toyota Corolla which has a 1.8-liter 4-cylinder engine producing 126 hp.

Yep, I can get quite a bit better than 26 MPG city in my 2002 Honda Civic with a 1.7 L 127 HP engine. I can get up to around 36 MPG consistently on the highway.

Seriously, how do you get a 1.6 L 107 HP engine to use so much gas?

And wow, that is an ugly car.
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:17 am



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 9):
Seriously, how do you get a 1.6 L 107 HP engine to use so much gas?

The Versa is a bigger, heavier car than your Civic.
 
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:24 am

Ha, my 2000 Ford Escort ZX2 does better than that with a 2L DOHC, 5 speed, 140hp. Better built than todays Nissans too.
 
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:34 am

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 10):
The Versa is a bigger, heavier car than your Civic.

Is it? I'll readily admit I'm not an expert, but these are the numbers I could pull up

(Versa numbers are from Nissan's website, and refer to the '09 Versa starting at $12,990, as the cheaper one doesn't seem to be listed yet - but I can only assume it'll be lighter, as it has a smaller engine):

2009 Versa 1.8S Sedan Manual Trans. -
Curb Weight - 2693 lbs.
wheelbase - 102 in

(Honda numbers are from www.internetautoguide.com - don't know how reliable that is)

2002 Honda Civic EX 1.7L Sedan -
Curb Weight - 2558 lbs.
wheelbase - 103

So the Versa has about a 125 lb DISadvantage.

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[Edited 2008-10-31 20:47:30]
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:50 am



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 10):
Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 9):
Seriously, how do you get a 1.6 L 107 HP engine to use so much gas?


The Versa is a bigger, heavier car than your Civic.

Exactly.

Contrary to what is widely believed, fuel economy does not depend mainly on the engine size, but on weight (and aerodynamics to a lesser extent).

A heavy car with a small engine will have to use it harder to move along, thus spending more fuel.

On the other hand though, a small car with an oversized engine will still burn more fuel than needed even to cruise around at legal speeds.

It's all about the right size engine for the right size car.
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:16 am

For $10k, the Versa is a lot of car for the money. The little 5 door hatch has a lot of room.
 
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:32 am

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 13):
A heavy car with a small engine will have to use it harder to move along, thus spending more fuel.

The Versa might be heavier than some of its competitors for a reason. It has alot of safety equipment.

The Nissan Versa comes standard with front seat-mounted side airbags, full-length side curtain airbags and a tire-pressure monitor. Antilock brakes are optional. In NHTSA crash tests, it received a 4 star (out of 5) rating for driver and front passenger protection in head-on collisions. 5 stars were given for side-impact safety.

In its frontal offset and side-impact tests, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety rated the Versa with a top score rating of "Good".

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Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:32 am



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 14):
For $10k, the Versa is a lot of car for the money. The little 5 door hatch has a lot of room.

Looks like they're only offering the sedan at that price.

At least, that's all the article says.

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 13):
Contrary to what is widely believed, fuel economy does not depend mainly on the engine size, but on weight (and aerodynamics to a lesser extent).

I'd be surprised if that is what is widely believed on an aviation site, where every available measure is taken to reduce weight  Silly
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:59 am

From looking at the Pic's im assuming this is the same car branded as the "Tilda" in europe and OZ. From a looks point of view i actually do not know why anyone, at any price would even consider this car.....
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:21 am



Quoting F1eddie (Reply 17):
From looking at the Pic's im assuming this is the same car branded as the "Tilda" in europe and OZ

Yup, it is called the Tiida in other parts of the world.

The Versa is partially based on the Renault Megane's platform, as is the Nissan Sentra. Renault and Nissan are part of an corporate alliance, with Renault owning approximately 45 percent of Nissan.
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:51 am



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 16):
I'd be surprised if that is what is widely believed on an aviation site, where every available measure is taken to reduce weight

I am actually a big advocate (although one whose word doesn't matter to anyone...  biggrin  ) that car manufacturers should invest more money into making their cars lighter, or at least stopping the rampant obesity tendency.

Each new generation of car is heavier than the previous. There are the crash test ratings, the additional comfort equipments, etc... The result is that millions are poured into engine development to design more efficient powerplants just to maintain a constant mileage from one generation to the next.

If some of that money was spent to actually try and reduce the weight of cars, as it is done extensively in the aviation industry, we could witness a major improvement in both performances and fuel economy, along with much more sympathy towards the environment...

It is just a wonder that many cars nowadays can't match the fuel economy of their predecessors of 40 years ago. Sure, they are bigger, faster, safer and have SatNav and electric windows, but development wise, very little has been done to try and make these improvements lighter.

There are only few car companies that are trying to keep a leash on some of their model's weight (I'm thinking of Mazda, for instance). I'd personnaly be more inclined to give my money to a manufacturer who's able to sell me a car that's lighter than the competition, but generally speaking, buyers don't even consider weight when buying a car, and manufacturers aren't keen on advertising their car's weight.
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:43 pm

The economy seems pretty bad in that car considering the engine size.

They should stick the excellent peugeot/citroen/toyota 1.6ltr HDI engine (or even the 1.4 HDI) which offers similar power but very low emissions and great mileage.

I know its hard to get diesels into the states - but at this time of economic decline and environmental concern, it could go down a storm.
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:34 pm



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 12):

So the Versa has about a 125 lb DISadvantage.

Wow, I'm surprised it's that little. The Versa is so tall that it certainly seems like it ought to be heavier.

Pretty much Honda and Toyota rule at making fuel efficient 1.something litre engines (at least in the US). Civics and Corollas are notoriously fuel-efficient, and that's a great thing.
 
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:52 pm

I would assume this $9,990 is to be a pricing to get people into the showroom then push the more expensive and profitable versions - for both the dealer and Nissan-Renault. It would allow Nissan to gain customers like the Scion line does for Toyota and away from Hundai/Kia brands. It will keep it's production lines (probably in Mexico) busier, more efficent. I would also suggest that they will not offer further discounts and limited trade in's. By the way, that will probably be before the delivery charges, usually of about $500-650.
 
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Quoting F1eddie (Reply 17):
This is the only car i can think of being worse...

You know, I saw that picture and at first I went, oh, well the front looks nice, I like the lines on the door and, OMG wtf is that thing on the back.
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Quoting Francoflier (Reply 13):
Exactly.

Contrary to what is widely believed, fuel economy does not depend mainly on the engine size, but on weight (and aerodynamics to a lesser extent).

This is only true in cities and such. On the highway it mainly depends on aerodynamics (and weight to a lesser extent).
 
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:07 pm



Quoting BA (Reply 3):
I like Nissans and and the Versa is a fairly nice looking subcompact.

Oh man, did you forget your glasses?

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 9):
And wow, that is an ugly car.



Quoting F1eddie (Reply 17):
From a looks point of view i actually do not know why anyone, at any price would even consider this car.....

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The Nissan Versa, especially the sedan version, is the ugliest car manufactured by any auto maker for a long time. It ranks up there with the new Ford Focus... I have sh*t out better looking pieces of crap!

I'm sure it's decently built, but man... what an eyesore!
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Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
26mpg city and 34mpg highway

That's awful mileage for such a tiny car...

I have Buick LeSabre that gets 24 around town and 32 on the highway. It's a big car with a 3.8 liter engine.

It makes no sense at all that they can't get more miles from that little thing...
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:37 pm

KIA sells a brand new 2009 Spectra for $6,900.00 with a 10 year warranty. So the Nissan isn't the cheapest new car in the US.  no 
 
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Quoting FXramper (Reply 27):
KIA sells a brand new 2009 Spectra for $6,900.00 with a 10 year warranty. So the Nissan isn't the cheapest new car in the US.

According to Kia's website, the 2009 Spectra starts @ $14,200. The smallest vehicle they sell here, the Rio, starts @ $12,145. Where are you getting this $6900 price from?
 
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 23):
You know, I saw that picture and at first I went, oh, well the front looks nice, I like the lines on the door and, OMG wtf is that thing on the back.

Haha, same exact thing happened to me!

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 21):
Wow, I'm surprised it's that little. The Versa is so tall that it certainly seems like it ought to be heavier.

Yeah. And the new Versa, with a smaller engine, should shave off some more pounds, making the weight difference probably negligible.
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Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:42 pm



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 28):
According to Kia's website, the 2009 Spectra starts @ $14,200. The smallest vehicle they sell here, the Rio, starts @ $12,145. Where are you getting this $6900 price from?

Lots of rebates and dealer incentives.
 
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Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:50 am

The Pontiac G6 with it's more potent 2.4 liter 4-cylinder that puts out 148HP gets 35MPG and 25 city.
Granted that car cost a little more but gets better fuel economy than this rinky-dink Nissan Versa.
There are some V6 engines that achieve nearly the same feul economy as this stripped down Versa.
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Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:21 pm

My 08 Nissan Sentra is currently getting 33 HWY...dont know about city that well because I really only use it on highways...and its a 6-spd manual

that being said, its a 2.0L and weighs has a curb weight of 2897lbs for your comparison purposes.

for those using a corolla as comparison, its curb weight is approx 2530lbs with a 1.8L engine


that makes me wonder why my car weighs so god damn much....its supposed to compete with civics and corolla's...
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 31):
If I had $10,000 to spend on a fuel efficient car, I'd go for a 2-3 year old VW TDI Passat wagon of some sort.

Excellent choice.
 
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Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
Taken from Ford directly:
2008 Ford Escort : $1,500 Max Rebate Cash $12,895 after max rebate

I think you mean the Focus. The Escort (which was smaller than the Focus) has been out of production for several years. IIRC, 2001 was the last year for the Escort sedan; my mother has one of them.

I've seen a few Versa's around. IMHO, the notchback's styling isn't too bad but the hatchback is one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen.

When one person at my church traded their older Sentra sedan for a Versa hatchback and brought it over, all I could to say to them politely was, "I hope you enjoy your new car." while restraining myself from gagging.

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 26):
It makes no sense at all that they can't get more miles from that little thing...

Part of the issue is (and I've said this before in other related-threads) that in order for a gasoline-powered car to obtain better fuel economy (or at least rival that of the small cars of the 1980s); one has to detune the car's performance in addition to keeping the weight down (cars today are automatically heavier than their 20-year-old predecessors due to the increase of mandated safety features). One needs to keep in mind that many gas-powered cars that achieved 40+ mpg on the highway in the past ALSO:

1. Could NOT do 0-60 mph in under 10 seconds.
2. Were NOT equipped with an automatic transmissions.
3. Did NOT have airbags and side-impact beams.

That stuff just adds up.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 31):
The Pontiac G6 with it's more potent 2.4 liter 4-cylinder that puts out 148HP gets 35MPG and 25 city.
Granted that car cost a little more but gets better fuel economy than this rinky-dink Nissan Versa.
There are some V6 engines that achieve nearly the same feul economy as this stripped down Versa.

The one thing I've noticed that the smaller the vehicle, the more noticeable the slightest bit of extra weight can impact that particular vehicle's fuel economy. True story, I once knew somebody that had a 4-cylinder Isuzu PUP truck that when it was fully loaded with people and cargo in the bed; it got worse mileage than my V8 Crown Vic under similar loading conditions. On a 3+ hour trip to central PA; he had to stop at least TWICE to refuel his truck vs. my only having to stop once... and that was just was just before the return trip home.
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Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
I think you mean the Focus. The Escort (which was smaller than the Focus) has been out of production for several years. IIRC, 2001 was the last year for the Escort sedan; my mother has one of them.

I think it was 2002 for the Escort sedan. I know the ZX2 hung around until 2003. I always thought it was interesting that Ford continued to sell the Escort alongside the Focus, which hit the market as a 2000 model.
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Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:38 pm



Quoting FXramper (Reply 27):
KIA sells a brand new 2009 Spectra for $6,900.00 with a 10 year warranty. So the Nissan isn't the cheapest new car in the US.



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 30):
Lots of rebates and dealer incentives.

That would be some serious rebates and incentives to cut the price in half ....  Confused

As for the Versa itself, I'm no fan of it myself. I took one out for a test drive early in 07, and as good as it is built, I just couldn't get over the boxy design.
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Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):

1. Could NOT do 0-60 mph in under 10 seconds.
2. Were NOT equipped with an automatic transmissions.

Well, leaving safety aside, if I'm going to buy a car for gas mileage, then I definitely do not care whether it can do 0-60 in 10 seconds. I doubt my Civic can do that (or at least, I've never pushed it hard enough to do so).

And yeah, I'd by a manual transmission anyway, but these days, there's less and less difference in gas mileage between an automatic and a manual.
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