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This thread will be interesting.

I'll put money on Obama winning by 4 percent. Not the result I hope for but I think its looking that way.

Despite Obama being ahead in the polls, I'll still bet McCain will eventually win this elections.

It will be a close call but...

==> Am I one of the only Europeans supporting McCain?

So far here are the CNN polls for electoral vote

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

OBAMA:291

MC CAIN:157

tossup:90

I am personally for Obama as 80% or so of people in Europe . I've never been so interested by a U.S election before...it will be very interesting

Cheers     

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 1): I'll put money on Obama winning by 4 percent.

Haven't some the betting establishments across the pond already started to pay out?
The last avg of polls from RealClear politics shows: RCP Average 10/29 - 11/02 -- -- 51.7 44.2 Obama +7.5, which is a net gain of 1.1 for Obama over the weekend. Now it's up to the voters to get out and vote for their candidate.

Obama will get upwards of 325 electors. McCain is banking on Pennsylvania, but I just can't see him him taking that.

Obama will win PA for sure. If he holds on to Virginia, which most think he will, the networks will all call the race when California closes. I'm intererested in seeing how Obama does in the new tossup states-Georgia, Indiana, North Dakota, Montana and Arizona. Even money he wins at least one of those.

This is clearly Obama's race, IMHO.

Quoting Eham (Reply 2): I'll still bet McCain will eventually win this elections.

I wanted McCain to win, but frankly I think all hell would break loose if Palin became president, because of that no matter how much I dislike Obama, I would personally give him the nod, I like McCain, but Palin scares the hell out of me - the world can not have that.

Its gonna be very interesting indeed....

Here in TX I see quite a bit of support for the MaCain Palin ticket .....like as and such l think...

many of my colleagues will have an early voting tomorrow....we will see..

I am interested in seeing what the outcome is in VA.....

Quoting Eham (Reply 2): Despite Obama being ahead in the polls, I'll still bet McCain will eventually win this elections. It will be a close call but...

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5): Obama will get upwards of 325 electors. McCain is banking on Pennsylvania, but I just can't see him him taking that.

I will be very curious to see if this is a squeaker or a landslide. I will say that I think that IF McCain wins it will be by a small margin and that only Obama could possibly be in the "landslide" column (I don't think it will be a landslide).

Does anyone disagree (that McCain is more "squeaker" and Obama is possibly "landslide")?

Thanks,

Tugg

Quoting Tugger (Reply 8): Does anyone disagree (that McCain is more "squeaker" and Obama is possibly "landslide")?

There are two possible ways this is going to be historic.

1. Obama wins, and the US has its first African-American president.

2. McCain wins, and the political polling industry is disgraced and never recovers.

That's a tough one for me -- I hate pollsters, and have vowed to lie if I'm ever polled on anything.

And I agree that the only "landslide" contender is Obama -- if 51% can be considered a landslide. Politics is very strange.

Quoting Tugger (Reply 8): I will be very curious to see if this is a squeaker or a landslide. I will say that I think that IF McCain wins it will be by a small margin and that only Obama could possibly be in the "landslide" column (I don't think it will be a landslide). Does anyone disagree (that McCain is more "squeaker" and Obama is possibly "landslide")?

I am thinking the same. I want Obama to win but I still have a very sick feeling about McCain possibly winning.

Quoting Arrow (Reply 9): I hate pollsters, and have vowed to lie if I'm ever polled on anything.

Why?
I don't hate pollsters. Then again, I've never been called by a pollster. I guess my voting record is too predictable. Also, California hasn't been a contested state since I've become of voting age in 1991. On the statewide level, San Francisco Bay Area is never a hotly contested area either.

I'll vote tomorrow morning. Later on tomorrow night, I'll be partying with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic big wheels for the celebrations.  

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 3): as 80% or so of people in Europe

What a surprise..   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10): but I still have a very sick feeling about McCain possibly winning.

Man you sound worse than MSNBC and CNN trying to crown this guy. Let the country decide and respect it.

I see McCain winning and the DNC crying fix like 04. Since the people of this country can't possibly want Pelosi or Reid calling the shots.   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10): I am thinking the same. I want Obama to win but I still have a very sick feeling about McCain possibly winning.

Calm yourself, my friend..

..there's not a chance in hell for McCain to pull out a win, no matter how you slice and dice it.

The only question here now before us is..how big is Obama's victory. Like most of the pundits..I'm guess and Electoral College count of

353 - Obama

180+ for McCain

McCain did himself in with Palin, you see... his judgement is really bad and is nothing to gamble the country with.


BN747

Obama vs. Mc Cain is certainly the most passionate U.S elections I have ever lived..
Everyone talks about it!!! even here in Switz.
OnSaturday we had a party and the theme came up many times! Wow tomorrow evening will certainly be a big evening !
Regards     

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12): McCain did himself in with Palin, you see... his judgement is really bad and is nothing to gamble the country with.

I am so glad McCain picked Sarah Palin.  
The one thing I agree with John McCain on is that Sarah Palin was the right choice for his VP pick. 
States such as Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Nevada, Colorado an New Mexico would be in McCain's favor had he picked a moderate VP.
I've met a lot of Republican leaning women that are supporting Obama simply because they despise Sarah Palin.

As my signature shows, I am backing Obama in the election, but...

I think McCain will win the electoral votes and Obama will win the popular vote. I just have a nasty feeling in me that everything will go wrong at the last minute. If I'm wrong, I'll be very happy, but still...

Quoting Arrow (Reply 9): 2. McCain wins, and the political polling industry is disgraced and never recovers.

There are times when I think we are sharing the one brain Arrow.    That was the first thing that came to mind as folk started on about McC winning. I am also not a great fan of polls and never been asked, but if they get this one wrong, they will be the guys looking for new jobs.

It seems a bit like our last election. Kevin won every poll in sight, and still Howard rambled on about winning, and he never had a chance, even losing his own seat. It was a bit as Arrow says, had Howard won, the whole polling industry would have been out of a job.

So maybe on that principle, start counting Arizona for Obama.

Also I wonder what it is about Obama not to like. We have had a bit of overexposure of the three of them (sorry Joe - it is true) and Obama is by far the easiest to listen to. Makes one wonder what it is that is causing any dislike!

Quoting Baroque (Reply 16): Also I wonder what it is about Obama not to like.

Didn't you know? Obama is a muslim, a terrorist, a socialist and a communist. He's also not an American citizen and eats babies for breakfast.

Oh wait.. my bad. A little too much time witnessing the McCain/Palin supporters in action...

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12): Calm yourself, my friend.. ..there's not a chance in hell for McCain to pull out a win, no matter how you slice and dice it. The only question here now before us is..how big is Obama's victory. Like most of the pundits..I'm guess and Electoral College count of

LOL, too funny. I wouldn't pop the cork just yet buddy.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14): States such as Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Nevada, Colorado an New Mexico would be in McCain's favor had he picked a moderate VP

How you figure? Maybe NH but the rest value the same thing Palin does. Family, life and oh yea putting your hand over your heart when your recite the pledge. Just ask Bill Richardson.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11): Quoting Superfly (Reply 10): but I still have a very sick feeling about McCain possibly winning. Man you sound worse than MSNBC and CNN trying to crown this guy. Let the country decide and respect it. I see McCain winning and the DNC crying fix like 04. Since the people of this country can't possibly want Pelosi or Reid calling the shots. sarcastic

But IF Obama wins, how will you feel?

And I'll add: If Obama wins and the Congress gets a Democrat majority? And I mean how will you FEEL not what do you think will happen etc.

Just Curious

Quoting Tugger (Reply 19): But IF Obama wins, how will you feel?

Extremely happy!

Quoting Tugger (Reply 19): And I'll add: If Obama wins and the Congress gets a Democrat majority? And I mean how will you FEEL not what do you think will happen etc.

Overjoyed! 

I'd be just as excited as the millions that will vote for him.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10): Why? I don't hate pollsters. Then again, I've never been called by a pollster.

I've always been troubled by the extrapolation of what 1000 people think to an assessment of how 10,000 people will vote. I know it's science and demographics and all that -- but I'm bloody-minded enough to resent a prediction on what I will do based on what my neighbour says he will do.

And I think they become self-fulfilling prophecies. The only poll I care about is the one that counts, and I suspect that people get swept up with the tide and vote the way the tide seems to be running. I see myself as countering that. Example? When I lived in ultra-right wing Calgary I was in the premier's riding, and it was always a coronation. So I always voted for the communist on the ticket -- just to make a point. Easy to do since the poor red bugger didn't have a hope in hell, but ...

Quoting Baroque (Reply 16): There are times when I think we are sharing the one brain Arrow.

That would explain those nightmares I have about kangaroos. Do you dream about bears by any chance? ( Had a close encounter with one of those Saturday. Ugh)

I think I speak for most Europeans if I say McCain was considered a very accepatble candidate. I guy who also listens, a reasonable moderate Republican. I guess selecting Palin (of who never heard) was a un expected surprize. Future will tell us who advised and convinced him to do that..

It seems also in the US the segemnt that really likes this kind of religious gun loving lip sticked hockey moms to guide the country is smaller then thought.

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 3): I am personally for Obama as 80% or so of people in Europe . I've never been so interested by a U.S election before...it will be very interesting

I totally agree. I have never followed as US election before let alone care about it. There has never been such a need for a change. I hope the polls are correct. I want to say that I think Obama will win with a small majority but I dont want to tempt fate. I just pray that Obama will do it. I will be following the news very closely tomorrow.

Quoting Tugger (Reply 19): And I'll add: If Obama wins and the Congress gets a Democrat majority? And I mean how will you FEEL not what do you think will happen etc. Just Curious

To even better answer your question, I'd be happier than an Alaska moose!  

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18): Quoting BN747 (Reply 12): Calm yourself, my friend.. ..there's not a chance in hell for McCain to pull out a win, no matter how you slice and dice it. The only question here now before us is..how big is Obama's victory. Like most of the pundits..I'm guess and Electoral College count of LOL, too funny. I wouldn't pop the cork just yet buddy.

No cork being popped..just in full agreement with what the trends are showing. Just like the trends that show the majority of the nation thinks it's headed down the wrong path.

There's no way they think McCain and his choice of Palin can also be 'good' for the nation and the corrective measured needed to get the country on to the correct path.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 22): It seems also in the US the segemnt that really likes this kind of religious gun loving lip sticked hockey moms to guide the country is smaller then thought.

Precisely, Palin-type ignorance (the typical Red-State 'we don't need anyone and we know what's best for everyone' attitude) is always in abundance in this country..but has lead the country for the past 8 years and even large numbers of them regret where we stand today.


If for same odd ball reason, we woke up and John McCain has won and Sarah Palin is the VP of the US..there will be a an upheaval to the likes of which have never been seen before (since 1776) anyway. The Blue States will actually lead a revolution that flips this country upside down. The tolerance of 'Red State' ignorance has reached boiling point..this election is the only thing stopping it from erupting. The country cannot 'advance forward' with a McCain/Palin mentality at the helm...it simply is not possible and a lot of people are aware of it.

BN747

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Quoting BN747 (Reply 25): They tolerance of 'Red State' ignorance has reached boiling point..this election is the only thing stopping it from erupting. The country cannot 'advance forward' with a McCain/Palin mentality at the helm...it simply is not possible and a lot of people are aware of it.

If Obama wins tomorrow, that would officially end America's glamorizing of ignorance and stupidity in the likes of Dubya, Palin and all other political figures that wear their retardation on their sleeves.
Perhaps an Obama victory would be an incentive for Joe the wannabe-plummer to go back to school and get his license, pay his back taxes and then people would take what he says more seriously.

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I am watching this across the pond with great interest too.

For me Mccain shot himself in the foot when he choose his running mate. He had a lot going for him too, Old war hero etc....but choosing Palin was a bad idea and is now backfiring big time.

I think Obama will be the next president and good luck to him.

Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 27): For me Mccain shot himself in the foot when he choose his running mate. He had a lot going for him too, Old war hero etc....but choosing Palin was a bad idea and is now backfiring big time.

Although I haven't discussed politics with you, I do know you are conservative. Your sentiment is felt by a lot of center-right women that I have met. Many were probably going to vote for McCain but have jumped over and now support Obama once he picked Sarah Palin.
It's interesting that McCain lost women's support faster than he attracted them within a few weeks of picking Sarah Palin. It's interesting that McCain was doing better with women support before he Picked Sarah Palin.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28): Although I haven't discussed politics with you, I do know you are conservative.

Well perhaps your right!. I never thought of myself as a conservative but come to think of it......

But I would be very happy to see Obama win the Whitehouse. Especially after the last 8 years.
What was Mccain thinking appointing Palin? I am not usually one for listening to Hollywood actors but I think Matt Damon said it well regarding the appointment of Sarah Palin. "Its like some bad Disney Movie where the hockey mum becomes president of the United States"

But I do have my reservations about Obama too.I remember back here in the UK a candidate who talked a good talk and had all the charisma and charm just like Obama does. His name was Tony Blair and is now among the most hated of Prime Ministers we ever had!

So I am very hopeful Obama will do many great things for the US but my thinking is "lets wait and see".

If I was a US voter I would probably be an independent, but would lean towards the Democrats, both from personal views and those of my family there. But (particularly where the president is concerned) I would make my decision on the basis of my impression of the likely competence of the respective candidates, rather than voting 'along party lines.'

So during the primaries I didn't feel too good. The choice appeared to be between someone about whom I knew nothing (Obama) and someone about whom I knew rather too much (Hillary). By contrast, McCain seemed a much more established and 'stable' option; the best of the Republican candidates and, very probably, the better potential president of the two who emerged from the primaries.

That has all changed now. Obama has emerged as highly-intelligent, competent, and an excellent communicator. You get the feeling that, as president, when crises arise (as they undoubtedly will) he will take time to gather advice and think things through - and then act with decision. And, for me, he made exactly the right choice, Joe Biden, as his running mate.

By contrast, McCain has gone a long way down in my estimation. He seems to be completely imbued with right-wing dogma, which even many of his Republican colleagues must consider to be out-dated. Worse, in the key area of decision-making, he showed himself to be much given to acting first and thinking afterwards; as shown by episodes like the 'dash to Washington' and 'Joe the Plumber' - and above all by his frankly-absurd selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate.

So I am left hoping very much for an Obama/Biden victory.

I also think, as of today, that that is what is going to happen. Obama's campaign has been very astutely organised to give him multiple routes to victory; McCain's only hope is to scrape through by the skin of his teeth.

I suspect that we may in fact see quite an early outcome this time. If' as seems likely, Obama can hold on to all the 'Kerry states,' including Pennsylvania, he will effectively only need one or two more 'big' states to claim victory. Those could well be Virginia and/or Ohio; but even if those go to McCain, the polls say that Obama has handy leads in many more 'normally-red' states.

Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 29): I am not usually one for listening to Hollywood actors

Me neither.

Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 29): "Its like some bad Disney Movie where the hockey mum becomes president of the United States"

...or like the movie Airport 1975 where stewardess Karen Black tries to land a crippled 747-100 after the first officer gets sucked out of the cockpit after the collision with a small Cessna and the captain is knocked unconscious.
If John McCain were to be President and passes away or becomes too ill, who would be parachuted down to the White House to assist Sarah Palin?
Dick Cheney?

Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 29): But I do have my reservations about Obama too.I remember back here in the UK a candidate who talked a good talk and had all the charisma and charm just like Obama does. His name was Tony Blair and is now among the most hated of Prime Ministers we ever had!

From what I understand, Tony Blair was disliked because he was too much of a lapdog of Dubya. I doubt Obama would be a lapdog to any other head of state.

I'm quite surprised to see a lot of support for McCain/Palin here in Georgia. I thought Obama would be the clear winner ..but apparently there are a lot of Republicans here...in any case it ain't over till it's over!

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 1): I'll put money on Obama winning by 4 percent. Not the result I hope for but I think its looking that way.

Well, that would be only if the popular vote actually counted. While for a presidential candidate, it's also nice to win the absolute popular vote, what counts is the electoral vote (or rather, how many states he can win).

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 3): So far here are the CNN polls for electoral vote

Don't trust those polls, particularly exit polls. We'll find out once the first actual polls close tomorrow on the East Coast.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5): Obama will get upwards of 325 electors.

I'm sorry, but while the propspect of Obama winning is very much real and possible, I sincerely doubt he'll win with a landslide as huge as 325 electoral votes, that's just too unrealistic. At most, he'll only get 290 if he wins (and that's a big if, given that the votes are not even counted yet).

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 32): I'm quite surprised to see a lot of support for McCain/Palin here in Georgia. I thought Obama would be the clear winner ..but apparently there are a lot of Republicans here...

That's the Deep South.
Georgia is in the most conservative part of the United States.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 31): If John McCain were to be President and passes away or becomes too ill, who would be parachuted down to the White House to assist Sarah Palin? Dick Cheney?

Or maybe Bush might come back to "help out" for a while 

Quoting Superfly (Reply 31): From what I understand, Tony Blair was disliked because he was too much of a lapdog of Dubya. I doubt Obama would be a lapdog to any other head of state.

Good point.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 32): I'm quite surprised to see a lot of support for McCain/Palin here in Georgia. I thought Obama would be the clear winner ..but apparently there are a lot of Republicans here...in any case it ain't over till it's over!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 34): That's the Deep South. Georgia is in the most conservative part of the United States.

True, but I wouldn't rule out a surprise. Long-shot perhaps but not out of reach.

an interesting site is http://www.fivethirtyeight.com


interesting to see that their estimation mccain's chances to win are at 1.9%, the lowest they have been this election. But again, it is based off polls, so who knows.

Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 35): Or maybe Bush might come back to "help out" for a while

Nah, I think he may have already fallen off the wagon and started drinking again.  

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 36): True, but I wouldn't rule out a surprise. Long-shot perhaps but not out of reach.

I don't think Atlanta metro has enough people to off set the country-bumpkin vote that dominates the rural part. Plus the Atlanta suburbs are full off a bunch of scared conservatives too that will support McCain. It will be close in Georgia, probably less than a 10 point spread. Neighboring South Carolina and Alabama are solidly behind McCain/Palin.

Obama in a landslide, upwards of 350 with McCain not even reaching 200, and the neocons richly deserve this hiding, the best litmus test is to follow the money, early voting exit polls are also running 59% to 40% in favour of Obama.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...ove_predicts_obama_blowo.html#more

even this guy thinks Obama will smash it in.

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Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 37): an interesting site is h.ttp://www.fivethirtyeight.com

Agree entirely that it's interesting, ScrubbsYWG. I only found it yesterday. I don't know if you saw this entry?:-

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/...nce-for-dems-in-nbcwsj-survey.html

Apparently only a minority of the polls seek to contact cellphone users. If you scroll down, there's a table showing the polls that do in orange. Almost all of them show much larger leads (several of them above 10%) for Obama.

Arguably, a lot of younger voters can only be contacted by cellphone, and don't 'show up' in more orthodox landline polls?

Quoting A332 (Reply 17): Quoting Baroque (Reply 16): Also I wonder what it is about Obama not to like. Didn't you know? Obama is a muslim, a terrorist, a socialist and a communist. He's also not an American citizen and eats babies for breakfast. Oh wait.. my bad. A little too much time witnessing the McCain/Palin supporters in action...

No, no you are right A332, it is just that I too am all of those things - well some folk who ought know better seem to have drawn those conclusions although I am not sure about the babies for breakfast, I think they might be too high in cholesterol.   

Trying (desperately) to be serious about these propositions, they are not a great look from outside the country. In many ways, much worse for the image of America than anything Bush has done. Aliens can just look past their green noses and wonder what sort of population could possibly take a diet of the items you list A332. Astonishing. It is worse than anything I remember about Bush - well aside from the Swift boat efforts. And it contrasts rather starkly with the general absence of insults coming from Obama.   

I suspect that not only will McCain lose rather badly, but he will also be much diminished by the lousy campaign he has run. If that is the best a maverick can do, they can keep mavericks, probably in a farmyard.   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 34): That's the Deep South. Georgia is in the most conservative part of the United States.

Oddly enough, two polls published today (Monday in the USA, Tuesday here in Australia) show McCain's lead in Georgia at only 1% and 2% respectively:-

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 42): Oddly enough, two polls published today (Monday in the USA, Tuesday here in Australia) show McCain's lead in Georgia at only 1% and 2% respectively:-

Georgia will be close.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if Obama wins Georgia.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12): The only question here now before us is..how big is Obama's victory. Like most of the pundits..I'm guess and Electoral College count of 353 - Obama 180 for McCain

Which will hopefully end the whining on the left about doing away with the electoral college.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26): Perhaps an Obama victory would be an incentive for Joe the wannabe-plummer to go back to school and get his license, pay his back taxes and then people would take what he says more seriously.

Why? The Obmanation is going to take what he needs from the rich and give it to him. He shouldn't have to lift a finger.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 25): If for same odd ball reason, we woke up and John McCain has won and Sarah Palin is the VP of the US..there will be a an upheaval to the likes of which have never been seen before (since 1776) anyway. The Blue States will actually lead a revolution that flips this country upside down.

I love it when someone projects that violence will occur should the voting public not decide in their favor. It's just so third worldish.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 39): early voting exit polls are also running 59% to 40% in favour of Obama

Which early exit polls? Many of the votes cast, which have not even been counted yet, are absentee. Who are they polling? In any case even if I were an Obama supporter I would find this wrong. That is a form of voter suppresion just as in 2000 when the networks called Florida for Gore when the polling places in the panhandle, which is more conservative, were still open.

I just wonder how long after the election the general populace will start having buyers remorse.

Georgia may be very close, but at the end of the day it will still fall to McCain. As Superfly said, there just aren't enough people in the "blue" parts (and yes, there are many) to make up for the "red" parts.

In 2004, there seem to be a lot of white counties-counties where there was no clear Democratic or Republican majority. I don't know about the demographics or voter turnout in those counties, but an Obama win is certainly not impossible. It's just very, very improbable. How's that for a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy-style statement?  

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 44): Which early exit polls?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...kBilVhjbpsgAAHfgp6kGEShvwD947OSV00

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 44): I just wonder how long after the election the general populace will start having buyers remorse.

yeah...buyers remorse started 4 years ago.

I have a strong feeling that it will be close. If Obama wins (and I hope he does), I don't think it will be a landslide victory as some are predicting, but if I'm wrong, I will be pleasantly surprised and very happy.

I'm happy he's leading in a number of traditionally Republican states such as my home state of Colorado.

This is definitely a very important election and the entire world is watching very closely.

Quoting Tugger (Reply 19): But IF Obama wins, how will you feel? And I'll add: If Obama wins and the Congress gets a Democrat majority? And I mean how will you FEEL not what do you think will happen etc.

Pretty bad for the businesses that will leave and go abroad cause Obama will tax them to death to try to fulfill his fantasies.

Also I would be very scared for he will make out enemies feel much stronger and I would think and attack would come within a year. One which Obama would not see coming and not be prepared for.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 25): If for same odd ball reason, we woke up and John McCain has won and Sarah Palin is the VP of the US..there will be a an upheaval to the likes of which have never been seen before (since 1776) anyway. The Blue States will actually lead a revolution that flips this country upside down. The tolerance of 'Red State' ignorance has reached boiling point..this election is the only thing stopping it from erupting. The country cannot 'advance forward' with a McCain/Palin mentality at the helm...it simply is not possible and a lot of people are aware of it.

Oh my God I can't believe I am reading this. So people no wanting a socialist left wing radical is odd ball? What happened to Democracy? You want us to respect the vote if it goes your way but you can't seem to accept our vote. Now that is something this country does not need. The elitism you and Obama seem to share.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 39): Obama in a landslide, upwards of 350 with McCain not even reaching 200, and the neocons richly deserve this hiding, the best litmus test is to follow the money, early voting exit polls are also running 59% to 40% in favour of Obama.

Yea just like the ones in 04' that had Kerry winning. I would wait a little there Monty. You don't elect a president on polls. Even though that is what you and CNN have been trying to do for the past year.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 44): I love it when someone projects that violence will occur should the voting public not decide in their favor. It's just so third worldish

Yep exactly what Obama, Pelosi and Reid want this country to be.

A journalist named Michael Tomasky has been providing some very entertaining video commentary for the British Guardian newspaper. He's an avowed Democrat from Virginia, so he doesn't claim to be unbiased. He's come out with his prediction - Obama with 338. Click on the video top centre to watch him:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/

Also recommend a look at the inter-active map site that he mentions. If you set it to the 2004 actual result - that is, assume that Obama holds on to all the Kerry states - you'll find that Obama only needs two states (say Virginia and New Mexico?) to get to 270.........

http://www.270towin.com/

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