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Aaron747
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:36 am



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 301):

some people will always need something to b***tch about

Fighting for a fundamental right is tantamount to bitching? Wow...just wow.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:41 am



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 301):
looking at Obama's wife hairdo scares me, and she isn't the brightest cookie, hence one of the things that makes me question this man's judgment

You do realize she graduated from Princeton with honors for her undergrad degree, and cum laude from Harvard law school right?

In addition she is Vice President for the University of Chicago Hospitals and made almost $350,000 last year, and served on the board of directors for another corporation. In addition she sits on the board of directors for the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.

Granted maybe you don't like her.... but I think you have missed the mark thinking she's "dumb".
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:43 am



Quoting NA (Reply 303):
And still everyone denying Bush was the worst US president in (modern) history is owing me an alternative name.

Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter, there's two right there.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:51 am

Why GWB is a GREAT president:

-He is fighting an unpopular war on terror, and refuses to give up. That shows a lot. Most presidents would give up but the fact is were winning and it is a fight that needs to be fought.
-Contrary to what y'all believe he is a good communicater, except according radical leftists.

Debate all you want, but when a president is consistent on the issues and doesn't heed any concessions, that is a great presidents. He knows what he believes in and doesn't let anyone tell him to sit down. he has strong values
 
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Aaron747
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:55 am



Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 306):
it is a fight that needs to be fought.

Well that pretty much negates the need for further discussion right there  Yeah sure

Thanks for playing.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:55 am



Quoting NA (Reply 303):
And still everyone denying Bush was the worst US president in (modern) history is owing me an alternative name.

While I am by no means a W supporter (see "What will Bush do after Jan 20" thread), history has a way of teaching patience like no other matter. I think it is much, much, much too early to make pronouncements as to where Bush ranks among the 40-odd US presidents.

Quoting 747srule (Reply 277):
I served in the USMC for 8 years to keep communists,terrorists and socialists out of the USA.

I did not realise the US Communist Party was in any shape or form able to seize the White House and/or Congress.  Wink

More seriously, would you mind defining "communism" and "socialism" for me?

I think these words get bandied about without most people (starting with yours truly) having a good grasp on the concepts behind.

Quoting 747srule (Reply 277):
America as we know is DEAD as of Jan.20,2009.

Actually, maybe America as you know it today will be dead in January. Now would that be such a bad thing? One way or another, things change, eventually. People change, circumstances change, therefore "things" change, including countries. For better or worse.

Take a deep breath and maybe work on getting a clear picture of what you would like America to be, and how it could be so, knowing that America is part of a broader community - the world.

 Smile
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:55 am



Quoting 747srule (Reply 277):
I served in the USMC for 8 years to keep communists,terrorists and socialists out of the USA. Seems like wasted time now. America as we know is DEAD as of Jan.20,2009. This is a sad day for people like me. God help us all.

God help you indeed if you really believe that. Your comments are sickening.

Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 291):
Several years down the line people will look back and realize GWB was a GREAT president. Not good, but great.

No, he was a bad president. Not the worst president, but bad. He steered his party way off course, dragged the country into a quagmire in Iraq with the negligent planning of his Administration, let Afghanistan get way out of hand, increased partisanship to perhaps its highest levels ever in the country, turned his back as Russia and China seized influence on the world stage, dragged the country into a massive deficit with fiscal irresponsibility, etc.

One of the good things his presidency did is show how dangerous it can be when one party controls the government. That's the case now, but I'm pretty sure there will be shifting in 2010. I'm glad the Democrats didn't get to 60 in the Senate, otherwise things could have gotten out of hand.

-Mir
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:59 am



Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 250):
You have a choice now too. Your party can be obstructionists or work with Democrats to get some healthy legislation and compromise. Remember, you have 19 seats up in the Senate to defend next election, the Democrats only have 15, and you have 2 Senators already retiring. If you become obstructionists only you will likely lose yet another 5 to 10 seats next time, in 2010.

The obstructionists have a head start because they'd already written McCain off several months ago, as a perusal of Limbaugh transcripts will attest.

In other news, I figured that today of all days would be the day to listen to the Rush Limbaugh show. It was a stunning experience, first of all because it reminded me why I gave up listening to the guy back when I lived in Los Angeles-in 1993. He hasn't changed a bit.

It was also proof that the guy's a monumental spinmaster-I wonder if he actually believes in the things he talks about?

If he's the voice of the evangelical right and true conservatism, the GOP is in the process of doing a supernova. These are quotes: "We had some people abandon the conservative movement and it is our job to drive them away.....(it is) an opportunity for cleansing...conservatives have not been on the ballot since 1994."

That last one beggars the question: "Then what have you been doing since then? People are rejecting your message in large numbers."

My guess? A lot of moderate Republicans (Powell, Weld, and others) struck their colors and crossed over, some because they see no answers from the party leadership, and others because like the former state senator I talked to here, they are afraid of their party's mean streak. Moderate Republicans will have to decide whether they want to fight to regain control of their party, because it's caving in on top of them and the right is turfing them out.

Either way it is a pretty pathetic end for the party of Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman to find their only redoubt in the cant and superstition of the old Confederacy.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:02 am



Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 306):
-He is fighting an unpopular war on terror, and refuses to give up. That shows a lot. Most presidents would give up but the fact is were winning and it is a fight that needs to be fought.

The war is unpopular mainly because it was based on lies, and because the goals behind tha war are far less than the noble ideas they want ou to believe in. What it shows is that he is a greedy stubborn President, not a great President. Great would have been to hear him admit the lie and apologize for it. Great men admit when they are wrong, stupid men keep on saying the same things over and over trying to make everyone believe they are true.

Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 306):
-Contrary to what y'all believe he is a good communicater, except according radical leftists

In what language?

Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 306):
Debate all you want, but when a president is consistent on the issues and doesn't heed any concessions, that is a great presidents. He knows what he believes in and doesn't let anyone tell him to sit down. he has strong values

Hitler knew what he believed in .. Stalin knew what he believed in .. hell, even Chavez knows what he believes in, does that make them great? And all the mentined "great" leaders also didn' "let anyone tell them so sit down".

I can't wait to see what you say on that  Wink
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:04 am



Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 306):
He is fighting an unpopular war on terror, and refuses to give up. That shows a lot. Most presidents would give up but the fact is were winning and it is a fight that needs to be fought.
-Contrary to what y'all believe he is a good communicater, except according radical leftists.

I'm not sure I follow you.
-Are you grouping the War on Terror together with the War in Iraq? Please explain, because they are two different campaigns with perhaps only a few similarities.
-Being a good communicator a great President doesn't make. Wasn't that one of the arguments against Obama?

I'm baffled at your response, because not only do you offer just 2 examples but also fail to list any of the actual accomplishments of him (few, I know, but there where a some like rejecting the Kyoto agreement). By doing this you make your post look like more party propaganda than a logical and intelligent response.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:05 am



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 239):
Which would be what exactly?

One in which your punished for making a lot of money and taxed to death to give the lower income brackets a free lunch.

Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 240):
Let's face it, the Right knew that it couldn't (publicly) use the N-word, so they went for code words like "socialist", "communist", and "Marxist

Oh yea thats it.  sarcastic  They used those words because if you look at what he has said and his past record he is far far left and doesn't believe in free enterprise and sees big business as a way to fund the lower class. Something everyone who voted for him didn't want to accept but will ultimately pay for.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 261):
Woah woah woah. The country's in deep trouble. Like DEEP trouble. Like Obama may not be able to save it. It might go bankrupt yet; it might completely collapse yet.

Uhh no, this country won't go bankrupt. Even after Obama tries to tax us to death. We will vote him out in four years and by then will be fine.

Quoting Arrow (Reply 265):
George W. Bush was the best thing to happen to Al Qaeda since sliced bread. Their recruiting drives, which were struggling before 9/11, have been spectacularly successful since Dubya embarked on his regime change policy. We haven't yet seen the payback on that yet unfortunately, and maybe with Obama it can be avoided.

This has to be the funniest thing I have ever read, Al Qaida could have not enjoyed this result more. Recruiting drives? The DNC has already shown they will cut and run, then again I bet Obama will reneg on his promise of pulling out of Iraq. Which was probably his biggest lie.

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 267):
It won't be easy, Ohio. It won't be easy; it won't be quick. But you and I know that it is time to come together and change this country

That is just going to be his out when in four years he doesn't have national healthcare and taxes are sky high.

Quoting Flymia (Reply 275):
My Parents and Grandparents did not leave countries like Cuba in the 1950s and Germany in the 1940s to have their hard earned work taken away

Nope.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 281):
And didn't learn a damn thing. I'm from a family with long military traditions - and nobody is talking like you today

Have you spoke to everyone in the military or only the ones that share your views?

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 305):
Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter, there's two right there.

Well people will get to know about Carter, the second coming of him will be inagurated this Jan.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:12 am



Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 306):
Why GWB is a GREAT president:

Ahem...are any of you replying to this poster, stopped to realize he's a 16, 17 year old kid?


Why go there with him? He's only known one president.


BN747
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:12 am

-What are these lies everyone talks about? Saddam Hussein was a TERRORIST. There for there is a link between the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq.

-The Kyoto Protocol? Are you serious? Thank the lord he didn't sign it. Thats the biggest crock of crap since the "invention" of global warming to scare people. Besides the fact that humans have little if no effect on global warming, he had great reasons for not signing it. China had massive exemptions from the treaty, despite being the biggest polluter. People don't realize that our EPA is much more effective than any global treaty.

-You people just dont get it.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:16 am

Congratulations to President-elect Barack Hussein Obama!

I haven't felt this proud to be an American in a long time and wish the best for this great nation and for all of humanity.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:17 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 313):
One in which your punished for making a lot of money and taxed to death to give the lower income brackets a free lunch.

Blah blah - McCain himself said the rich pay more because they can afford to. Either we do away with progressive taxation entirely or continue the same stupid arguments.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 313):
Have you spoke to everyone in the military or only the ones that share your views?

I have friends in the military who fall on both sides of the coin. There's a wide range of opinion on the matter, both among veterans and those currently serving.

But my great uncle said it best: "We volunteered in WWII because we were attacked. Saddam didn't attack us and didn't have the capacity to. It's plain stupid to fight for people in another country who should be fighting for themselves."
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:20 am



Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 315):
-What are these lies everyone talks about? Saddam Hussein was a TERRORIST. There for there is a link between the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq.

Do you have the link? Oh, and thank God the world is so much safer now ... oh wait Al-qaeda wasn't in Iraq! But at least the WMD's were found and destroyes .. oh, ooops, sorry, they didn't get those either!
Change channel every now and then, Fox news is not the only source around
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:20 am



Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 315):
Saddam Hussein was a TERRORIST

And a check on Iranian power and influence. Did you forget that part?



Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 315):
You people just dont get it

I'm not really interested in getting any of Dr. Leary's stuff into my system, but thanks anyway.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:26 am

Congratulations to the President Elect! I'm just thrilled that it came out the way my family and I had hoped it would. On another site, I called the election a 6-point win for Obama, and damned if I didn't get lucky on that one.  Big grin I never did think it would be close, from the last two weeks on.

I congratulate Sen. McCain for his eloquent and very gracious concession speech. THAT was the John McCain that endeared himself to this nation for so many years. I wish him Godspeed as he heads into the twilight of his life, and thank him for his dedicated service to this nation.

I hope the Good Lord grants President-Elect Obama the grace to govern wisely, and that He keeps Mr. Obama and his family safe during his years in office.

Now comes the hard part-trying to govern a nation that is in deep trouble. Godspeed, Mr. President-Elect.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:33 am



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 310):
Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 250):
You have a choice now too. Your party can be obstructionists or work with Democrats to get some healthy legislation and compromise.

Why bother to compromise. The Democratic leadership doesn't need the GOP minority to help them, they should have all the votes they need to pass whatever they wish, even out of committee. They might run into a problem in the Senate since they didn't reach the magic number of 60 but there are more than a few RINO's left that should be willing to help Sen. Reid out.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:34 am



Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 315):
-You people just dont get it.

Wow. I'm trying to remember at what age I got that right wing -- I think it was 53. I'd like to see your posts in about, oh, five years time. I bet they are different.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:38 am



Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 315):
-What are these lies everyone talks about? Saddam Hussein was a TERRORIST.

No, he was a DICTATOR and was executed for crimes against humanity by a court of Iraqi's. So therefore:

Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 315):
There for there is a link between the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq.

what the hell are you talking about?
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:46 am



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 21):
Ugh, my last post got deleted, but I'll repost the relevant part regarding some posters here rushing to criticize Obama.

You know I am a Conservative, but please enough of this. President Obama won
fair and square. Let''s not rush to judge him. I want this country to succeed. I
would have preferred a President McCain, but I want to see President Obama do
well.

If Obama fails, we all fail as Americans. I'll be praying for him. Good luck Mr. President

Well said! Karl Rove said pretty much the same thing on FOX this evening... it was actually quite refreshing.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:49 am



Quoting TUNisia (Reply 325):
Well said! Karl Rove said pretty much the same thing on FOX this evening... it was actually quite refreshing.

LMAO! Oh please! He's only trying to scrape together some shred of objectivity to try and salvage his career.

Let him go run the Palin 2012 campaign. LOL!  hyper 

I'm going to love watch the Republican party implode over the coming months.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:54 am

How long should we wait before putting out a missing persons bulletin on Vice President Elect Joe Biden? Sometime late last night he must have heard the hinges on the crypt door closing behind him.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:57 am



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 327):
How long should we wait before putting out a missing persons bulletin on Vice President Elect Joe Biden? Sometime late last night he must have heard the hinges on the crypt door closing behind him.

LOL! What didn't you check FAUX News today? The VP Elect was in meetings working on the transition team.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11...-data-obama-biden-transition-team/
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:03 am



Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 9):
We will become the United Welfare States of America or the Socialist States of America.

Don't give me that . Look at Obam's policy in comparison to Pres. bill Clinton's, read it. It's quite the same. Was he socialist? No!! Read up before making ignorant and irrelivant comments such as the above. I can't believe you bought that. Are you that tied up in propaganda? (And this is coming from a conservative Dem. who almost voted for Bush in '04)

Quoting INNflight (Reply 10):
Palin was hot

Haha for a female politician, yes. From a general perspective, No.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:15 am



Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 328):
The VP Elect was in meetings working on the transition team.

Not according to that link,,,according to that link he's not even part of the team.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:16 am



Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 326):
Let him go run the Palin 2012 campaign. LOL!

Preferrably from some spot in nowheresville. I understand Adak is nice this time of year. I shall donate a cardboard tube from a roll of sanitary tissue, some copper wire, a razor blade and a pencil lead so that he can pick up the afternoon Rush Limbaugh broadcast.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:26 am



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 322):
Why bother to compromise. The Democratic leadership doesn't need the GOP minority to help them, they should have all the votes they need to pass whatever they wish, even out of committee. They might run into a problem in the Senate since they didn't reach the magic number of 60 but there are more than a few RINO's left that should be willing to help Sen. Reid out.

So I've listened to you Republicans blab about "patriotism", "loving America" and "country first" as cheap punch line these past 8 years.

"Why bother" you ask? Because democracy is not a spectator sport, it's a participatory work in progress. People who really love this country and are patriotic believe in democracy. They believe in working to make this country a better place for everyone not just 1% of the populace or those who are of the same party.

Your poisonous attitude is what has sunk your party. America is sick of wedge issues used just to get elected. So you can either get on the bus, and help guide America thru this, or just get the hell out of the way. You have a moral choice now to make.... were all your posts about patriotism and country all b.s.? Or will you put your money where your mouth is? The choice is your's.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:28 am



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 330):
Not according to that link,,,according to that link he's not even part of the team.

According to that link Obama isn't part of his own transition team, so come on RJ lets get real and come back to earth.  faint  Both Obama and Biden are both working with the transition group.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:41 am

From Fox News tonight; Palin the gift that keeps on giving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc

Let see she didn't know the countries in NAFTA, and she didn't know Africa was a continent.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:48 am



Quoting AirCop (Reply 333):
According to that link Obama isn't part of his own transition team, so come on RJ lets get real and come back to earth. Both Obama and Biden are both working with the transition group.

Lets see the link of Biden working with the transition team. The guy is buried alive. You'll see him once more for sure on inauguration day and then unless a bunch of important world leaders die, that's it, the crypt door closes and he's gone. They are certainly not going to let him go out in public to shoot his mouth off.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:49 am



Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 291):
GWB is NOT the worst president. Several years down the line people will look back and realize GWB was a GREAT president. Not good, but great.

I dont know about great but Good to average for sure. He was put into office during a hard time. 9/11 started everything obviously. This is something which no one was prepared for. I think the outcome with just about any candidate would not have been much different. And he has been successful with North Korea and even successful so far with the nut jobs in Iran and Venezuela. In 10-15 years the views of Bush will be different for the better.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 296):
In what way? Let's see: He's responsable for one of the greatest economic downfall in history (it doesn't matter why or who started it, he had 8 years to deal with it and failed), he started a war under false accusations

May I ask who was in control of congress durring the last two years of this economic downfall?

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 296):
he's made the US hated around the world, therefore creating even more terrorists, he's destroyed a lot of what the US stands for

People have always hated the US and always will. One the main reasons for these terrorist is two things America is the land of the free which won’t ever change and the United States very close relations with Israel which will never change. So as long as the US is free, rich and allies with Israel people will hate us.

Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 315):
The Kyoto Protocol?

Agreed I have studied this thing so many times in school from Science class to International Affiairs the Kyotot Protocol is a joke and a complete failure. Who cares if the US did not sign it has not worked.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:51 am



Quoting AirCop (Reply 334):
Let see she didn't know the countries in NAFTA, and she didn't know Africa was a continent.

I just saw that a while ago on O'Reilly. To be fair, though, nowhere is it written that you have to pass a geography test to be a candidate (I wish it were though), although she didn't know about the Wilsonian's American exceptionalism either.

Regardless, this was more a fault on the part of the McCain team than hers. If they wanted someone with a better understanding of foreign policy (or countries!) then they should have done their homework. I certainly didn't want to see her as our VP but the way they treated her was just nasty, if the reports are true. Instead of her apologizing to McCain for costing him votes I hope that someone from the McCain camp is on the phone apologizing to her.

But as O'Reilly said, this is a book waiting for someone to cash on it.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:55 am



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 335):
Lets see the link of Biden working with the transition team.

Will this work for you?
http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time....ma-biden-announce-transition-team/
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:10 am

First off, what have I told you about using blogs. Did you wash your hands after linking?
 wink 

It's a pretty font but if you compare the two links they say exactly the same thing.


The work of this entity will be overseen by three co-chairs: John Podesta, Valerie Jarrett, and Pete Rouse.


Supervising the day-to-day activities of the transition will be:


Transition Senior Staff:

Chris Lu – Executive Director

Dan Pfeiffer – Communications Director

Stephanie Cutter – Chief Spokesperson

Cassandra Butts – General Counsel

Jim Messina – Personnel Director

Patrick Gaspard – Associate Personnel Director

Christine Varney - Personnel Counsel

Melody Barnes – Co-Director of Agency Review

Lisa Brown – Co-Director of Agency Review

Phil Schiliro – Director of Congressional Relations

Michael Strautmanis – Director of Public Liaison and Intergovernmental Affairs

Katy Kale – Director of Operations

Brad Kiley – Director of Operations


Where's Joe...Stand up Joe take a bow!
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:12 am

Congrats on a great race.

AS I watched on CCN last evening, I recall the showing scenes from Los Angeles, California, and Kenya, but also Sydney Australia.

I didnt hear why they honed in on Sydney in particular. Anyone know where in Sydney they were gathered? And was it mostly Americans in that city that gathered or Australians as well?
I know a few Aussies here who were really interested in our party!
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:24 am



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 339):
Where's Joe...Stand up Joe take a bow!

And you do realize there is a transition team for the Veep also?
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:30 am



Quoting AirCop (Reply 341):
And you do realize there is a transition team for the Veep also?

Sure. My point is that you won't see him in public without a handler and a very short leash. He served his purpose and that purpose is done. I highly doubt he will be anywhere near the day to day decision making or have much if any role in helping to shape policy. I take back one item I mentioned, they'll bring him out and dust him off every year for the State of the Union speech. A little more botox to the forehead, visit the dentist for another laser light brightening and then creeeeeeaaak bang, the crypt door shuts again.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:35 am



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 342):
I highly doubt he will be anywhere near the day to day decision making or have much if any role in helping to shape policy.

I think you're mistaken on that one. He won't make many public appearances, but he'll definitely be at the table when it comes to making decisions, and his opinions will be listened to.

I do not, however, think that he will keep a man-sized safe in his office.  Smile

-Mir
 
767Lover
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:42 am



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 337):
I certainly didn't want to see her as our VP but the way they treated her was just nasty, if the reports are true. Instead of her apologizing to McCain for costing him votes I hope that someone from the McCain camp is on the phone apologizing to her.

I agree. She never promised to be anything other than what she was.
 
Superfly
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:13 am

The conservative era is OVER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZjd78xun4


Congrats to Barack Obama and the Democratic Party.
This is not just a national celebration, but a worldwide celebration!

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 340):
AS I watched on CCN last evening, I recall the showing scenes from Los Angeles, California, and Kenya, but also Sydney Australia.

Also in Japan and Indonesia.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...2008/11/081105-obama-video-ap.html

I've received calls from friends in The Netherlands, Canada, Thailand, El Salvador and Nigeria expressing their excitement and praise for the United States for electing Obama.
Here in San Francisco, people were partying, dancing in the streets, honking their horns and even a few impromptu bands popped up on the sidewalks celebrating.
I've never seen anything like it before.
This was a wonderful day in American history!
 
miamix707
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:28 am



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 296):
In what way? Let's see: He's responsable for one of the greatest economic downfall in history (it doesn't matter why or who started it, he had 8 years to deal with it and failed),

But why don't you point fingers at the @$$holes at OPEC? Why doesn't the international media grill them? It's a lot more "sexy" to say it's the US fault now. Before the US financial fallout, industries across the world were already being hard-hit by high oil prices, from merchants to coconut farmers in Sri Lanka.

Everyone has a hand on this, including the previous president. Just lke Dubya's administration failed to recognize the economy needed fixing asap, Clinton's didn't do squat to adjust the economy and let the tech bubble run wild, whose fallout caused the recession at the beginning of Bush's term. Then after 9/11 it wasn't exactly easy to concentrate on fixing the economy, when you have to invade Afghanistan (who's much better off than it was under the Taliban). Can anyone really picture Gore or Clinton having the balls for an effective response??

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 296):
he started a war under false accusations (anyone found any WMD or link between Bin Laden and Saddam?)

Iraq at least in the short term isn't worth the massive investment and they could have used a more diplomatic approach with Hussein. Iran was (and is) a bigger threat than Iraq. On the other hand, the world and Iraq are definitely better off without Saddam. Also most Iraqis are thankful to the US & coalition for his ouster.

Not finding WMDs so far has been an embarrassment for Bush and the intelligence he received, but people are quick to forget there were Dems pushing for the invasion as well.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 296):
he's made the US hated around the world, therefore creating even more terrorists, he's destroyed a lot of what the US stands for (civil liberties ... where are they?), he has imposed a "with us or against us" rule, he doesn't even speak properly



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 296):
Sure there are worse leaders, but 99%?



What liberties has he taken away from me? tell me? Bush is perceived as a very poor "leader" because he's probably the worst communicating US president. That makes him look even more dimwitted, when he's not exactly brilliant to start with. Overall he has meant well but his policies just haven't worked. 99% might be an exaggeration but it gets the point across.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 296):

What positive things has Bush left as a legacy? I'm curious to see your views on that.

My biggest issue with Bush is the willingness to go in without a clue on how Iraq was a can of worms the hard line of Hussein was keeping a cap on. Go chase the oil there but ignore Chavez completely. He messed up by taking too long to remove stubborn inepts like Rumsfeld

Then Colin Powell was basically another failure. Thankfully Condoleeza has been more capable. You'd be surprised to hear Bush isn't hated everywhere like he is in your country of Argentina for example, where the presidential situation is a joke if I may add. Do you know he's actually liked in a few countries such as Albania, Macedonia, Georgia, Philippines, Iraq, Cambodia, and in African countries like Namibia, Tanzania, Congo, Sudan, among others?

How about Bush's achievements in Africa nobody cars to speak about?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02192008...ditorials/bush_in_africa_98313.htm

Of course the media never talks about the positives, well because people don't care, and the media cares about Africa just as much. Whether he's liked or not Bush has strong values that if most leaders around shared, this world would be a lot better off.

Bush is behind better cooperation with Pakistan and stronger economic ties with India. Also pushed for free trade status with our best ally in the Americas, Colombia, which some idiot dems are blocking. Bush's friendship with the Saudis probably prevented oil price from going to $180. Worked with intl. governments to take terror organizations head-on which nobody else had the balls to do before. Went after Bin Laden, when Clinton could have caught him back then but didn't think Bin Laden was a threat http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/10/181819.shtml

All these terror networks are now on the run and weakened. The world could have possibly experienced more large-scale terror attacks easily if Dubya hadn't done something. In time, when the economy is better and Iraq and Afghanistan calm down for good, many will look back and give him credit for some of these things.


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Before Obama goes down and sits down with Castro and Chavez, he should send the message he is grateful to his allies and pay a visit to Uribe in Colombia. Then tell the special interests and those democrats in congress who are stopping the free trade agreement, that the US economy comes first.

The far left hippie politicians of the world are spectators who dont do anything unless there's something in it for them. There's one thing they're really good at though, criticize because they envy the US and think Barack will think just like them. They all go to the UN and vote along with all the dictators of South America and the Middle East, instead of voting against them.

In conclusion, I'd judge Bush, but not based on what the ridiculously biased international media thinks.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:49 am



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 346):
But why don't you point fingers at the @$$holes at OPEC?

Because they are not arse-holes as you call them. OPEC is a cartel. It is a way for some organisations (of which, I agree, a high number are very unsavoury regimes) to protect their interests. OPEC is not responsible for high fuel prices. We are.

Case in point, since demand started dropping, and with forecasts not being too rosy either, guess what, fuel prices have gone down.

We should point the finger at ourselves for letting rotten, freedom-hating regimes get rich on our stupidity.

And last time I checked, large oil companies were making a very healthy living on the back of high oil prices so maybe they have a hand in it as well.

 Smile

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 346):
The far left hippie politicians of the world are spectators who dont do anything unless there's something in it for them.

I believe this blanket statement applies to just about any politician.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:56 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 345):
The conservative era is OVER!

Tell that to gays in several states as well as the pimps in SFO.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:08 am



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 331):
Preferrably from some spot in nowheresville. I understand Adak is nice this time of year.

Sayonara Sarah. But there's one little tidbit left over from her candidacy that still troubles me. She kept promising for weeks to release her medical records (or a summary of them), and finally lets out a one-pager the day before the election. I'm a sick guy, but my doc could prepare a one-pager outlining my many ailments in half an hour and not miss much detail.

Now, for an apparently healthy, fit young woman, why would she do that? My reporter's instincts tell me that one day is not enough time for anyone to dig out an inconsistency in that sheet, so Palin technically "complied" with the request but made sure no one could do much investigating. Which tells me there's something there she doesn't want us to know about. Is it simply embarrassing? Or is it more than that?

We'll likely never know because, well, who cares? But four years is ample time for a governor to fix the records. She had no qualms about doing it with an expense account.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 337):
Regardless, this was more a fault on the part of the McCain team than hers.

No. This woman campaigned strenuously for the job behind the scenes. She lusted after it. For someone as ignorant as she is (she didn't know who was in NAFTA? She couldn't identify Africa as a continent?) to have that much naked ambition is truly scary. Even scarier is that nearly half the voters in the US must have found her candidacy acceptable.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 337):
To be fair, though, nowhere is it written that you have to pass a geography test to be a candidate (I wish it were though), although she didn't know about the Wilsonian's American exceptionalism either.

That's the trouble with democracy, Any idiot can run for office, as has been proven time and time again. An informed and educated electorate is the only real defense against that.
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:11 am



Quoting Superfly (Reply 341):
The conservative era is OVER!

conservatives are good people, its the neocon era that is over!
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:29 am

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 332):
People have always hated the US and always will. One the main reasons for these terrorist is two things America is the land of the free which won’t ever change and the United States very close relations with Israel which will never change. So as long as the US is free, rich and allies with Israel people will hate us.

Psst....your youth and inexperience are showing. Really stop believing sound bytes & election ads.

People don't "hate" America for our freedoms. They are upset at us that we loudly proclaim freedom and democracy yet arm, support, and financially reward kingdoms / dictators / rulers that have oil or materials we want and need and help those governments step on the throats of their people. They want our freedoms, but instead see the USA as a nation of hypocrites.

Lest you forget it was 19 Saudis that attacked us on 9/11. Not Iraqis or Saddam. Saudis did. You know "our allies". Puke. We arm the Saudis to the teeth and allow them to deny basic freedoms to their peoples. In return the Saudi govt funds radical groups and promotes a radical version of Islam to keep their people angry at the West, because they know if they didn't do this, these people would turn on the people really to blame for their lot in life... the Saudi royal family. The same thing can be said for Iran and its rulers.

Osama doesn't give a crap about Israel. It's a distraction and an issue to stir up hate. Just like the Republicans do in this country when they bring up gays, guns, and God.

[Edited 2008-11-05 22:32:02]
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:40 am



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 343):

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 346):
The far left hippie politicians of the world are spectators who dont do anything unless there's something in it for them.

I believe this blanket statement applies to just about any politician.

and why did you leave out the sentence that followed?

Could apply to all politicians, except that those I mentioned are useless and do nothing but criticize the US. Unfortunately for them they're gonna have to refocus and the media find another western leader to bush,I mean to bash. I hear Canada's new PM is a center-right conservative, poor guy.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 343):
Case in point, since demand started dropping, and with forecasts not being too rosy either, guess what, fuel prices have gone down.

Weren't you bragging how you only ride a bicycle a few months ago?  Wink But really, those who have to drive have noticed everytime prices are about to tumble to reasonable levels, your good friends and -nice guys- who are ripping us off announce a "possible cut". Good thing lately that hasn't even worked.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 344):

Quoting Superfly (Reply 345):
The conservative era is OVER!

Tell that to gays in several states as well as the pimps in SFO.

SmileL
 
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RE: U.S. Election - Obama Wins

Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:20 am



Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 347):
Psst....your youth and inexperience are showing. Really stop believing sound bytes & election ads.

Well I don’t exactly get information from sound bytes and election ads but from some pretty credible sources but that’s not the point.
I agree with you that we need to stop this dependence on Foreign oil and stop putting money into countries like Iran.

Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 347):
s. They are upset at us that we loudly proclaim freedom and democracy

Exactly, I think no matter what we did if we loudly proclaim freedom than there will be hatred.
Also to say Israel has nothing to do with it, I can’t see how that is possible. So Israel has nothing to do with Iran or hezzbolah?

Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 347):
Lest you forget it was 19 Saudis that attacked us on 9/11.

So why Saudis, of course the Taliban could find lots of people who hate the US and would have wished to attack it. But with a plan like this the people would have needed to obtain student visas, able to be allowed to learn how to fly ,live and do what they please. Well someone from Afghanistan, Iraq or Iran going to the US on a student visa is much less likely to happen than someone from Saudi Arabia. Some of these people where educated men, which you are more likely to find in Saudi Arabia etc.. It is not like the Saudi government when up to Osama and said here are 19 Saudis to attack the US with.
Putting everything aside 9/11 was a complete intelligence disaster which the US and the world was not prepared for and hopefully will never happen again.
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