Quoting Slider (Reply 49): If the claims are true, then they needed to have exposed it earlier. They had an obligation to do it in fact. |
If true,, would it have changed your mind?
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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 50): If true,, would it have changed your mind? |
Quoting Slider (Reply 51): I question the motive and the content. |
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 52): It's actually very rare for Bill O'Reilly to let any reporter go on about something for ten minutes without interrupting profusely...I'm very curious about the motives as well. In his segment with FOX's chief political correspondent dishing dirt on Palin, it was just non-stop dragging her through the mud. What else could it be other than blame with sour grapes on the side? Pretty damn low. |
Quoting Slider (Reply 49): But it’s nice that the left can’t get over the appeal of Palin and continue in the sheer character assassination of this woman. The hateful responses are more illuminating of those who are doing it than they are about Palin. Thou doth protesteth too much. |
Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 39): So we continue to talk about this woman why? Seriously, everyone's hate with (D) person or (R) person is getting very old on this board. Obama won, Democrats control congress, so why in the hell are all of you still so bent out of shape over this? Who cares anymore? |
Quoting BN747 (Thread starter): ...is about to be known. |
Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 32): I learnt that Africa was a continent when I was about 8 years old in school. |
Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 55): And, as a side note, after reading all these political topics in the last week, I'm glad that only Americans can vote in the election. Because, if we let all these foreigners do what they think is best for us, we'd be 10x further in debt. |
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 57): Clearly , we can see how Sen Obama's background , associations and all the "junk in the trunk" was marginalized by the media. With the breaking of any story came the howl of racism and the immdetiate call to " get on to the issues". With Palin this was not the case , personal stories were talked about and discussed as issues including her children. It was open season on her so to speak , and nothing was spared. Teams of DNC Lawyers hit the ground in anchorage with dirt digging shovels in hand and subpoena's at the ready. |
Quoting Charles79 (Reply 53): Again, I hope that McCain would come out and put a stop on it, it's ridiculous that they would bring her in with high hopes and when it didn't go their way then trampled on her. |
Quoting Mt99 (Reply 46):
Which begs the question.. What happened to our favorite tax-dodger entrepreneur Joe D. Plumber? |
Quoting Charles79 (Reply 47):
Again, the Republican media/party is the one who keeps talking about her, not the left... |
Quoting Charles79 (Reply 47):
...besides, as some have already mentioned, it's a free country, you don't want to talk about her then don't come into this thread. |
Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 48):
Instead they look at why the team lost and try to figure out what happened. |
Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 48):
Well some people enjoy discussing these things. |
Quoting Slider (Reply 49):
But it’s nice that the left can’t get over the appeal of Palin and continue in the sheer character assassination of this woman. |
Quoting PSA727 (Reply 16): Where do you get your news sources from? Someone from the campaign in September went to buy clothes for her. That cost about $150K. However, that person also bought clothes that did not fit her, so about 1/3 of those were sent back. And moreover, another third of those clothes were not even worn by Palin, so she ended up wearing about 1/3 of that $150K wardrobe. This was confirmed by the McCain campaign. Outright scandalous!!!! |
Quoting STT757 (Reply 26): I like Bobby Jindal, he has a bright future in the Party if the conservatives will embrace him. |
Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 62): But according to some, its the "right" that is bashing Palin for the Republican loss. |
Quoting Slider (Reply 51): But since Palin is a true reformer, she%u2019s an outsider and that scares the shit out of most of the DC establishment, on BOTH sides of the aisle (as we saw from the wussies like George Will, Peggy Noonan, etc who threw her under the bus). But she has a draw as a normal person who is in many ways more qualified than the Ivy Leaguers who have gone after her. |
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 66): No, she is a true opportunist that saw an ideal opportunity to be labeled a reformer by going after an obviously corrupt member of her own party. Every political step she has ever taken has been driven by personal ambition and opportunism. When those coincided with 'reform' or 'being a maverick' she gladly adopted the title, but a full review of her record shows ego and ambition drove almost all decisions. Add to that the sense of entitlement each position of power gave her (family travel at state expense, family clothes a party expense), and you begin to realize just how dangerous this woman could be in a position of true power. |
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 66): and you begin to realize just how dangerous this woman could be in a position of true power. |
Quoting BN747 (Thread starter): She thought it was one big country... |
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 57): Like Obama , she comes from nowhere, although she actually had paying jobs and worked her way on her own ..the stories are similiar. |
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 57): Meanwhile not one reporter went to Bill Ayres , Rev Wright , Farakan , Rezco, ACORN , Fanny Freddy operation in Chicago,the mortgage company in Chicago, his bother in Kenya , His Grandmother in Kenya , any of his professors or friends from college . |
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 57): No one .. we nerver heard a word from teachers , professors friends any of it. It was all in his convieniently packaged book. No questions needed.! (Thanks to Tom Dashall media efforts and publisher) |
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 71): (e.g. someone with zero experience could be VP and likely President). |
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 72): You know whats funny ... when ever we hear we need to do more for "Africa".. Most people dont distinguish either. Most of the AIDS groups are not specific ... are they just assumeing its one country as well.? When Rev Wright speaks of African empowerment .. is he referring to the country or the continent. ? |
Quoting BN747 (Thread starter): Also, that the clothing scandal is bigger than what has been reported. I'm sure now that the election is over, a whole lot of what we didn't know...is about to be known. |
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4): It bothers me that you think it isn't. Are you an American or aren't you? If you are then it is your duty to support your country and paying taxes is part of that. |
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4): I question your patriotism if you think that paying taxes is somehow unpatriotic. Especially since levying taxes is a power specifically granted to Congress in the Constitution, and not by an amendment, either. |
Quoting Charles79 (Reply 31): She never promised to be anything she wasn't, |
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 66): Every political step she has ever taken has been driven by personal ambition and opportunism. |
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 66): but a full review of her record shows ego and ambition drove almost all decisions. Add to that the sense of entitlement each position of power gave her (family travel at state expense, family clothes a party expense), and you begin to realize just how dangerous this woman could be in a position of true power. |
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 71): In fairness to Sarah Palin, I don't think she's a "bad lady" or that she's a moron. Think about it from her perspective ... she probably never dreamed she'd be a VP candidate and all of a sudden here's McCain on the phone offering her the VP spot. She accepted, out of what I believe was loyalty to the party rather than some sort of political agenda, and was thrown into the spotlight overnight. I think her only mistake was accepting a nomination for which she was grossly unqualified. |
Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 74): Everyone always says that about Palin, but what about Obama? Seriously, this argument does not work. She was nominated for VICE PRESIDENT, excuse me, second in command. Two, # 2. She would have answered to McCain at the end of the day. |
Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 77): actually, this is not quite so true.... from what I read there has been some serious lobbying going for her to be chosen as a VP for as much as one year before her nomination... so she knew very well about being a possible choice - in fact, she secretly pushed for it! |
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 78): If I was McCain, I would have picked Joe Lieberman. Granted, he's a democrat who runs under an independent ticket, but from his experience and track record working even with Republicans, he would have been the better choice. |
Quoting Planespotting (Reply 73): You're a big fat liar |
Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 80): actually, as far as I know he wanted to - but he was stopped from doing so by his staff or some other GOP bigheads. |
Quoting RJdxer (Reply 76): Incorrect as it relates to income taxes. In article 1 section 9 you will read: No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken. Which effectively eliminated the threat of income tax due to the complexity at the time of taking a census prior to taking the tax. |
Quoting Arrow (Reply 29): Which tells me there's something there she doesn't want us to know about. Is it simply embarrassing? Or is it more than that? |
Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 70): The still hidden world government |
Quoting Slider (Reply 49): But it’s nice that the left can’t get over the appeal of Palin |
Quoting AirportSeven (Reply 61): John McCain didn't even know who Sarah Palin was before he was told she would be his running mate. |
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 84): It did not ban the threat of income tax at all. It simply said that each state had to be taxed according to population. |
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 84): The 16th amendment changed that and made it so that each individual could be taxed based on income, rather than a flat capitated tax. |
Quoting RJdxer (Reply 85): Again incorrect. What the 16th amendment did was to eliminate the claus requiring that a census or enumeration of population be conducted prior to imposing the tax. In effect it became the citizens responsibility to report to the governement rather than the governments job to find the citizen. |
Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 70): Here's what you closet socialists don't know about Sarah Palin. She was courted by John McCain to be "Febreze" to his smelly pile of dog poop. She was responsible for 80% of his election result....period. To say anything less would be ignorant. Hell, 2 days after the republican party lost, the ravenous idiocy on this board against her is still going strong. The republicans threw this election, took a dive in other words. The still hidden world government thought they could make more headway (in destroying America) by having Obama in office.....thusly it is so. Once Palin caught wind of this, she decided (and rightfully so) to go "rogue". Even the judas goat "Faux News Network" are hammering on her. That is how deep this national corruption goes. She'll be back.....and not as some lap-dog 2nd-seat to corrupt neocons. They hate her as much as you people do. Don't you get it yet? She's the great white hope of the -true- paleoconservative party. One group of filthy liberals leave the WH on 1-20-09, and a new group takes their place. That's change we all need. |
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 79): Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 77): actually, this is not quite so true.... from what I read there has been some serious lobbying going for her to be chosen as a VP for as much as one year before her nomination... so she knew very well about being a possible choice - in fact, she secretly pushed for it! I haven't seen anything to support that assertion, but if it's correct, then it certainly changes things. |
Quote: Upon being elected governor, Palin began developing relationships with Washington insiders, who later championed the idea of putting her on the 2008 ticket. “There’s some political opportunism on her part,” Bitney said. For years, “she’s had D.C. in mind.” He added, “She’s not interested in being on the junior-varsity team.” During her gubernatorial campaign, Bitney said, he began predicting to Palin that she would make the short list of Republican Vice-Presidential prospects. “She had the biography, I told her, to be a contender,” he recalled. At first, Palin only laughed. But within a few months of being sworn in she and others in her circle noticed that a blogger named Adam Brickley had started a movement to draft her as Vice-President. Palin also learned that a number of prominent conservative pundits would soon be passing through Juneau, on cruises sponsored by right-leaning political magazines. She invited these insiders to the governor’s mansion, and even led some of them on a helicopter tour. |
Quote: By the end of February, 2008, the chorus of conservative pundits for Palin was loud enough for the mainstream media to take note. Chris Cillizza, reporting for the Web site of the Washington Post, interviewed Palin and asked her if she’d accept an offer to be McCain’s running mate. Though she dismissed the notion as a virtual “impossibility this go-round,” Palin, who had been in office for only fourteen months, said, “Is it generally something that I would want to consider? Yes.” |
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 87): That's not incorrect; it's exactly what I was saying. |
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 84): The 16th amendment changed that and made it so that each individual could be taxed based on income, rather than a flat capitated tax. |
Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 86): I see RJ is spinning again. |
Quote: ... Whatever the truth, one thing is certain. Ms. Palin, who laughingly told the prankster that she could be president “maybe in eight years,” was the catalyst for a civil war between her campaign and Mr. McCain’s that raged from mid-September up until moments before Mr. McCain’s concession speech on Tuesday night. By then, Ms. Palin was in only infrequent contact with Mr. McCain, top advisers said. “I think it was a difficult relationship,” said one top McCain campaign official, who, like almost all others interviewed, asked to remain anonymous. “McCain talked to her occasionally.” But Mr. McCain’s advisers also described him as admiring of Ms. Palin’s political skills. He was aware of the infighting, they said, but it is unclear how much he was inclined or able to stop it. The tensions and their increasingly public airing provide a revealing coda to the ill-fated McCain-Palin ticket, hinting at the mounting turmoil of a campaign that was described even by many Republicans as incoherent, negative and badly run. ... |
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 68): Its a highway driven by every politician including Sen Obama. The left wing has dimissed his associations completly as merely characters on his political journey. Frankly ,give me a person who sees fighting her own party as way to power ..rather than hanging out with America hateing nobodies to score points. Why do you make the assumption about Palin's intentions and turn blind to those of Sen Obama. I think I know . |
Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 70): To say anything less would be ignorant. |
Quoting RJdxer (Reply 76): Funny how if you were describing a man most people would shrug it off as how the game is played. But for Governor Palin and Senator Clinton before her, the stereotype of "bitch" remains. |
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 81): So what your saying is that people knew all about his background but voted for him anyway ? I agree with that . I believe that people would have voted for anyone with D in their title... |
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 71): In fairness to Sarah Palin, I don't think she's a "bad lady" or that she's a moron. Think about it from her perspective ... she probably never dreamed she'd be a VP candidate and all of a sudden here's McCain on the phone offering her the VP spot. She accepted, out of what I believe was loyalty to the party rather than some sort of political agenda, and was thrown into the spotlight overnight. I think her only mistake was accepting a nomination for which she was grossly unqualified. |
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 93): And for the record, I have and will continue to say the same thing about anyone who's ambition rules all, man or woman. |
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 93): A few posts below this you tell someone to bring it, so I invite the same to you - instead of snide insinuations - say what you think you know (about me), and be prepared to back it up. |
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 93): As for Obama and his associations, the left wing, and the rest of the country for that matter, are still waiting for evidence those encounters have carried forward to today or in anyway shape his actions or even political outlook |
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 93): by suggesting that they'd done anything other than vote for the candidate they thought most capable of being President. . . . |
Quoting Slider (Reply 49): The hateful responses are more illuminating of those who are doing it than they are about Palin. |
Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 70): The republicans threw this election, took a dive in other words. The still hidden world government thought they could make more headway (in destroying America) by having Obama in office.....thusly it is so. Once Palin caught wind of this, she decided (and rightfully so) to go "rogue". Even the judas goat "Faux News Network" are hammering on her. That is how deep this national corruption goes. |
Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 97): And watching the news most of the nasty comments and mud-slinging came from the Mccain/Palin camp. |
Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 97): Quoting Sarah Palin - "Our opponent is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country" |