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Quantum Of Solace

Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:29 pm

I just bought tickets to go watch the 12 AM show, first showing in North America. I know its been out for 2 weeks in England, possibly Europe. Did anyone watch it? If so, what do you think?

Ill post my review soon after watching.

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Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:50 pm

I´ve not seen the movie, but the boat from the movie last week. Great Sunseeker powerboat that is.
 
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Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:23 am

It is OK. I think that Daniel Craig if given the right script could possibly be one of the great Bonds.... That said, this is not the script.

The problem as I see it is that the whole Bond franchise seems to have lost it's way a bit since Bourne became the 21st century "Bond". This Bond film therefor takes alot of it's ques from Bourne and as such it is sometimes difficult to tell the two apart. My other major problem is the overtly blatant product placement by the Ford Motor Company as at least 95% of the cars featured in the film are Ford products (Aston Martin, Ford, Jaguar, Range Rover and Land Rover).

Dont get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoyed the film, but if I wanted to see a Bourne movie I would go see one. I come to Bond for the gadgets, the smart ass quips, the blatant sexism portrayed by our hero and the uber bad guys. In this film, we get the uber bad guy (hell, a whole organisation of them in fact), we get smart ass quips and there is a hint of the old Bond sexism. What it is missing is the gadgets. And by that what I really mean is not so much WHAT it is missing, but rather WHO it is missing. And that ladies and gents is the one and only Q.

Now in my mind there has onle ever been one real Q and that is of course Desmond Llewellan. That said John Cleese did an admirable job in the role. Lest we forget, Q, like M, is not actually a name, but rather a job title (standing for Quartermaster). What is bond without his gadgets?

Well.... Bourne.

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Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:31 am

I saw the movie last night and I can definately recommend it. However, as the previous poster also noted, there is no Q or very cool gadgets in the movie.

That said, there is a very nice airplane-chase-scene with a Dakota and (I think) a PC-6 and personally I also like the scenes in the tropics as it reminds me of my youth (a couple of scenes take place in Haiti, which is in the Caribbean).
 
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Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:49 am

Like I said... Don't get me wrong... I really liked the movie. I cant wait for the next one and I hope that Daniel Craig is still Bond. I would just like Q back and less of the 2 hour advertisement for Ford.
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Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:49 am

If there's no Q in the film, then a Bond movie is definitely missing something. I still can't believe they dumped Q after Die Another Day, when John Clesse became the successor of Desmond Llewelyn.

I may watch it on televison if it comes out, but it's likely that I'm not seeing it in the theatre.
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Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:21 am

Stupid title....but I'd go and see it for the Craig factor alone.
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Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:35 am

I was thoroughly impressed with this new bond movie. Some of the action scenes are simply stunning, and the storyline is good. Daniel Craig as in Casino Royale plays the part well. Olga Kurylenko also does a good job at being the bond girl. Some of the environments this bond is played in (won't reveal which for those haven't watched it) are amazing.
Having said this, I miss certain elements that most bond movies included such as Moneypenny, Q's briefing on 007's gadgets, and more humour.
But for all of you who have not watched this movie, it is well worth it; even I am thinking of going to the cinema a second time to watch this. It is an excellent and well made sequel to Casino Royale!
 
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Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 2):
The problem as I see it is that the whole Bond franchise seems to have lost it's way a bit since Bourne became the 21st century "Bond". This Bond film therefor takes alot of it's ques from Bourne and as such it is sometimes difficult to tell the two apart. My other major problem is the overtly blatant product placement by the Ford Motor Company as at least 95% of the cars featured in the film are Ford products (Aston Martin, Ford, Jaguar, Range Rover and Land Rover).

I've heard the DBS was very rarely used in the movie. I had tickets to see it last night but wasn't able to make it.
 
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Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 6):
Stupid title...


In German it even borders to the ridiculous: Ein Quantum Trost.
 
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Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 2):
The problem as I see it is that the whole Bond franchise seems to have lost it's way a bit since Bourne became the 21st century "Bond".

You nailed it!

Bond is dead. Don’t get me wrong, I like the more ‘raw’ nature of him, but it’s nothing more than an adventure flick now with almost all classic vestiges of what we know as James Bond stripped away. No Q, no martini, no Bond, James Bond. Stupid!

There was an article yesterday in the WSJ that compared it to the books. Since I hadn’t read the books at all, I really didn’t understand just how far the original films were from Ian Fleming’s brainchild. NOW it’s even drifted further away from the essence of who Bond was originally written as.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122644756360418951.html

There has to be a happy medium somewhere in how the film persona and character development of Bond is portrayed. Some pithy one-liners and a bit of campiness is OK, a bit of ‘everyman’ blended with the man every man wants to be, is how I would do it, with some raw edges similar to these newer Craig films. But I think the pendulum has swung so far over that it’s barely discernible as Bond as it should be.
 
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:20 am



Quoting Slider (Reply 10):
There has to be a happy medium somewhere in how the film persona and character development of Bond is portrayed. Some pithy one-liners and a bit of campiness is OK, a bit of ‘everyman’ blended with the man every man wants to be, is how I would do it, with some raw edges similar to these newer Craig films. But I think the pendulum has swung so far over that it’s barely discernible as Bond as it should be.

EXACTLY!!

Bond was always supposed to be a bit of a fantasy. If I want real life gritty espionage, then Bourne is an absolute homerun. Bond was always a bit of a camp, chauvanist pig, but we LOVED him that way! He needs hi Q. He NEEDS his Moneypenny. He NEEDS the over the top, bad guy! Hell, what was Dr Evil modelled after? A typical bond villain of course.
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:19 am



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
If there's no Q in the film, then a Bond movie is definitely missing something. I still can't believe they dumped Q after Die Another Day, when John Clesse became the successor of Desmond Llewelyn.

It's because the actor died. It was somewhat ironic that he was "retiring Q" in the world is not enough, since that was the last one he was in.

IMHO, I think the movie was good. I feel if I watched Casino Royale then watched this one right after, it'd feel like one big movie, and that's what I liked about it. It just continued the story, and left off for another one to bring more of it to life. I think that Bond has become a bit classier, since, even though I love Brosnan, his movies SUCKED! I loved Goldendeye, but the other ones were very poorly written, and just all about CG and technology. THe old movies dealt with awesome technology, but were well written. I think the Craig films are bringing back the better stories, and perhaps we'll see what happens with the gadgets.
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Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 6):
Stupid title....but I'd go and see it for the Craig factor alone.

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Quoting FlybaurLAX (Reply 12):
It's because the actor died. It was somewhat ironic that he was "retiring Q" in the world is not enough, since that was the last one he was in.

Yes, I know, but still a Bond movie without the quartermaster just doesn't cut it for me, and remember that they also had John Cleese play Q in the final Brosnan Bond. Also, don't forget that there have been several actresses who performed Moneypenny in the past, and instead of hiring a new one when Samantha Bond left, they got rid of Moneypenny as well.

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Quoting Intothinair (Reply 7):
and the storyline is good.

Excuse me? What storyline? This plot has holes so big you can drive a semi through them. I just left the movie with a big "what the hell just happened?" feeling around me - I did not understand half of what was going on. To be quite honest, as a life-long Bond fan, I feel outraged. It wasn't a Bond movie, pure and simple, not even close to it.

If you want it in a nutshell, this movie sucks major, major balls. If you still put any hope in the 007 franchise skip it and pray for the best in a couple of years time. Not even the ironic fact that Daniel Craig looks like Vladimir Putin without a receding hairline makes up for the horrible script.
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:03 am

Quoting Intothinair (Reply 7):
I miss certain elements that most bond movies included such as Moneypenny, Q's briefing on 007's gadgets, and more humour.

I don't at all, personally. The previous Bond movies (especially under the Brosnan Administration) had diluted the franchise to the point where it was almost not about the man at all, but his silly gadgets and his Z3 (worst Bond car ever, by the way) and his self-aware one liners, and his two women (one legit, the other one out to kill him).

Daniel Craig's Bond, to put it bluntly, actually appears to give a damn. The new serious direction that the movies have gone in have saved it for me. Casino Royale was the first Bond movie that I truly loved, and I thought Quantum of Solace followed right in its footsteps. A little rough around the edges (like, for example, the running theme of SIS: doers of good, CIA: total douchebags... or the overabundance of Ford Edges in the deserts of Bolivia) but overall, it was great. It still takes movies like Die Another Day to the house. I can't get enough of the ideal of a British Jason Bourne.

Oh, PS: C-47 cameo! How could you not love that?!?!

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Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:48 am

I dont understand what kind of writer would come up with the evil plan of controlling bolivias water to sell it at double the current price in a bond movie. Not to mention how much the CIA and MI6 actually gave a shit about this plan. I mean, what happened to plans of world domination, or the ultimate heist, or ultimate disasters? So, in addition to no moneypenny, no Q, no gadgets, no *bond, james bond*, a drunk bond, a mentally shattered bond, a bond that gets beat up quite a bit, (what happened to the good ol days when jaws throws a huge rock at bond, followed by the tie straightening action), a retarded villain, no sex with the bond girl, and no witty remarks, the loopholed script was the perfect addition to a disaster of a bond movie.

did anyone notice how dominic greene made weird sounds at the end when he was swinging the axe? that was hilarious.

If it wernt for the nice car/boat/plane chase scenes.. id give the movie a D-... but, im gonna go ahead and give it a C-



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Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:23 am

Although... Casino Royale was the "first movie" and this one is the second. Keeping in mind that this movie is the second movie, it is quite logical there is no Q, gadgets, etc. Bond is discovering himself due to the fact that he's new.
Bit hard to explain in words, but hope you get my drift.
 
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:19 am

It seems that with QOS, you either liked the movie or hated it. Big grin

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 18):
Although... Casino Royale was the "first movie" and this one is the second. Keeping in mind that this movie is the second movie, it is quite logical there is no Q, gadgets, etc. Bond is discovering himself due to the fact that he's new.
Bit hard to explain in words, but hope you get my drift.

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This is the point that many seem to be forgetting and is probably why many leave the cinema dissapointed.

If I want all the gadgets, then I'll gladly watch one of the older Bonds. I was glad that Q and all the gadgetry were left out in QOS, because at that point it all becomes far too repetitive.
 
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:24 am

Let us not forget that these movies to make the big bucks have to have a world wide audience including more women and have to be made in ways to appeal to that. That means less sex and more action, simpler plot lines, less of a British connection and PC' ism as to the criminals and depictions of women, alcohol consumption and so on.

I would also suggest that the real life terrorism throughout the world with their real arch-criminals Iike Osama bin-Laden and that there are not 'supermen' like Bond in real life is also changing the market and ability to do traditional 'Bond' movies.
 
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:38 pm

It was a good movie, really liked it!
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:04 pm

I was very disappointed with the movie. It is fast and loud, but simply no Bond movie... I like Craig, and I liked Casino Royale, but this movie lacks the typical humorous Bond additions required for a good Bond movie...

The only thing I liked was that they use an old VW bug to flee.
 
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:19 pm

I was very disappointed that the DBS wasn't used more.  Sad

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Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:31 pm

The opera scene was pretty decent but apart from that it was a big, big letdown. Terrible title music and a poor storyline. Worst Bond movie ever.
 
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Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:29 pm



Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 24):
Terrible title music...

OH SNAP!!

I almost forgot about that! I absolutely HATED the title music. Nothing about it screams "Bond" to me. And Jack Black sucks and Alicia Keyes is overrated!
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Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:34 am

Sorry guys, this was the best Bond movie after the downhill slide that Pierce Brosnan initiated. I'm not trying to contradict anyone, but if I had gone with most of you I would have missed a really good movie!

And no, they were not trying to do a Bourne - nothing that cerebral in terms of plotting. Bourne is a different kettle of fish - it's American, Langley-esque though I'm not sure I'd call it gritty.

The title is also a nice touch, especially given the solace that both Bond and the Girl are seeking.

Apologies again for my contrary opinion, I just thought it was one of the best Bond movies, very 21st century, very post-Austin Powers. The action scenes set a new bar, and the cars don't do silly things.

So with all due respect, I say:

GO SEE THIS MOVIE !!!


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Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:56 am

I like the movie, thought it was quite enjoyable. What really made me smirk was that both Daniel Craig and Mathieu Amalric (Greene) were both in the movie Munich (although they didn't share any scenes) along with Michael Lonsdale who also played Hugo Drax in Moonraker ..... six degrees of Bond seperation ....  Big grin
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Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:21 am

i was less than impressed. perhaps it would have been a little better if i didn't have such shitty seats. i HATE shakey cam, steady cam was invented for a reason. first 5 mins i was aware of a car chase, but my head was spinning soo fast i couldn't grasp it. you dont need to do a camera cut every seccond. the plot was very jumpy, and i had a hard time figuring out where we were in everything. also, who the hell builds a building entirly out of hydrogen tanks. back your car into the wall and it explodes? good job engineers. also music sucked

the aeroplane stuff was pretty sweet tho, was that a pilatus?
 
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Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:42 am

It was entertaining, but i'm not sure it will stand the test of time.

I think the concept of Bond is dated now.

Also the person who plays Felix does not look like a CIA agent in the slightest. Looks about as threatening and sophisticated as a baby rabbit.
 
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Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:34 pm

I saw the movie yesterday and i must say that it was by far one of the worst bond ovies i have ever seen! IMHO it was difficult to really get in to the movie, and it seemed like they didn't work very much on the script. Instead there were only a big bunch of violence and killing. And the worst thing of them ass was the lack of a "real" bond chick.
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Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:19 pm



Quoting RJ111 (Reply 29):
I think the concept of Bond is dated now.

It took $70 million in its opening (US) weekend - the best ever for a Bond movie:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601087&sid=aWZdIejLaWbA&refer=home

The James Bond thriller ''Quantum of Solace'' opened in first place in U.S. and Canadian theaters with ticket sales of $70.4 million for Sony Corp. and Metro- Goldwyn-Mayer Inc., the best-ever debut for the spy franchise."

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Quoting Mariner (Reply 31):
Quoting RJ111 (Reply 29):
I think the concept of Bond is dated now.

It took $70 million in its opening (US) weekend - the best ever for a Bond movie:

That is because a new Bond movie always creates expectations, but somehow they managed to screw things up. I know a number of people who will not see the movie because of my bad review and I, for one, now will not go watch the next one until I read a review to make sure it is not a dumb continuation of this one.
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Quoting Pyrex (Reply 32):
That is because a new Bond movie always creates expectations, but somehow they managed to screw things up.

Given that it has already taken more than $300 million world wide, I would think the producers are quite happy with the way it has been received.

For myself, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie - I had been bored with the fantasy that the franchise had become.

I love the Craig interpretation - a brooding bully boy with a broken heart - and that he is second only to Connery in the Bond stakes.

I think Judi Dench is a great M and I was relieved Q wasn't in it.

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Quoting Pyrex (Reply 32):
I know a number of people who will not see the movie because of my bad review and I, for one, now will not go watch the next one until I read a review to make sure it is not a dumb continuation of this one.

I could never not see a movie or go see a movie based on some elses opinion. If I would have taken your opinion to heart, I would have missed a very enjoyable movie.
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Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 2):
My other major problem is the overtly blatant product placement by the Ford Motor Company as at least 95% of the cars featured in the film are Ford products (Aston Martin, Ford, Jaguar, Range Rover and Land Rover).

If this is one of your complaints, you would have had similar issues with Goldfinger, Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and Diamonds are Forever as well.

Side note: Live and Let Die utilized a lot of GM cars and The Man With the Golden Gun utilized AMC vehicles.

The film makers probably go a good deal from Ford Motor Company to use their vehicles in the movie. This is not uncommon to what one used to see in the cop shows of the 70s and 80s where one make of car was predominantly used throughout the show.

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 18):
Although... Casino Royale was the "first movie" and this one is the second. Keeping in mind that this movie is the second movie, it is quite logical there is no Q, gadgets, etc.

Worth noting: Q wasn't in the original first Bond film, Dr. No as well.
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Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 2):
This Bond film therefor takes alot of it's ques from Bourne and as such it is sometimes difficult to tell the two apart.

Perhaps because one of the film editors was the film editor on the Bourne Supremacy?

This is the directors first attempt at an action picture. Tough brand to get your first try at something on since there are such big shoes to fill.
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Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:49 pm

So from the looks of it, people either loved it or hated it, very few, if none said it was alright. Fair enough i guess.
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Quoting Mariner (Reply 33):
For myself, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie - I had been bored with the fantasy that the franchise had become.

I love the Craig interpretation - a brooding bully boy with a broken heart - and that he is second only to Connery in the Bond stakes.

I think Judi Dench is a great M and I was relieved Q wasn't in it.

I completely agree with you! The whole 'veddy british' thing became a cliche. Craig is a worthy successor to Connery, and is truer to Ian Fleming's portraiture of his character. This movie has cut out the flab and is 100% Bond - no irony, no OTT gadgets, no nonsense.

I'll go see it again - welcome back 007 - its been a long time!
 
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RE: Quantum Of Solace

Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:08 am



Quoting Comorin (Reply 38):
welcome back 007

Welcome back from where/when? This is a totally new and bastardized Bond, it is not similar to anything else we have ever seen.
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Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:44 am



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 39):
This is a totally new and bastardized Bond, it is not similar to anything else we have ever seen.

As someone else said, it is similar to the original Bond - "Dr. No" - and a reinvention of the brand.

When "Dr. No" came out, we had no idea what was going to happen, we didn't know Bond was a super hero who couldn't die.

So with this Bond - there was genuine dramatic tension for me, because I didn't know if this Bond was going to win and I thought the villain was believably sinister, still and cold, without some over-the-top-gimmick.

I loved the pace of it, the suspense of it and that it didn't rely on extreme gadgets, it didn't stop for five minutes while Q did a comic act.

Now - in the next movie they could bring Q back, as a "real" Q if they want, because the pattern is changed.

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If you want it in a nutshell, this movie sucks major, major balls. If you still put any hope in the 007 franchise skip it and pray for the best in a couple of years time.

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This was the worst Bond movie ever. Here's why:

Miserable Camera Work

The cuts were too fast to properly absorb the actual footage.

During the first scene (car chase), the majority of cuts seemed to last about a quarter of a second. Much effort was put into lighting and angles, and then they flushed it all down the toilet with strobelight-esque glimpses at the action.

And even when the cut lasts longer than a second or two, the shakiness prevents you from actually finding something to focus on and enjoy.

This awful camera work ruins a few other scenes in the movie, too.


No Bond Cars

Well, that's not entirely true. Technically, he had an Aston Martin for ten minutes at the very beginning of the film. Then he went on to drive an unremarkable Land Rover, and an even less remarkable Ford Bronco from the mid-eighties. Is this a James Bond movie? Because it sure resembled Lethal Weapon in this regard. Except Danny Glover's beat-up station wagon with a missing door was a more worthy car than the Bronco in this movie.


No Bond Gadgets

He had a cool cellphone with impressive zoom. Oh, and the MI6 folks had a cool tabletop-touch-screen computer. That was it. No other gadgets or technology to speak of. No watches with steel-cutting lasers. No jet boat. No remotely-activated pens that explode. No cool weaponry in his car. Well, the car might have had weapons. Between the quarter-second views and the ten-minutes of footage it got, it's really anyone's guess how it was equipped.


No Bond Lifestyle

With the exception of a cool concert hall and the possible exception of the bad guy's apartment block, he spent the vast, vast majority of the movie in the neighborhoods of Haiti and in some Desert. If I wanted to watch some guy run around the desert for two hours, I would have rented an old Indiana Jones flick. This is James Bond. Give me lavish high-rise penthouses in Manhattan or Paris. Give me ritzy parties in swanky homes made of glass and carbon fiber. Give me a mastermind bad-guy lair with a helipad and submarine base built on the edge of a huge cliff overlooking an ocean somewhere.

And speaking of mastermind bad-guys...


Pitifully Mediocre Bad Guy and Plot

The entire "plot' focuses on Bond's anger and revenge following the loss of a friend. A few minutes are spent revealing the bad guy's plan to create a fucking water monopoly and then make a fortune by price gouging. By selling Water.

This strategy....making a movie franchise less creative and fictional in favor of being dark and realistic....worked for Batman. It turned Batman from a cheesy comic-book reproduction into the dark anger and brutality of late.

It doesn't work for Bond. The old Bond movies had unashamedly clever, albeit unrealistic, elements. The old Bond sprinkled the plots with a twist of sly humor and cockiness. His sharp wit defined his character. It was the perfect balance.

Now, that balance is gone. Bond could, at this point, be played by just about anyone. Because he's not Bond anymore. He's an angry guy with pursed lips and a tuxedo. Generic and boring.

Worst. Bond. Ever.

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RE: Quantum Of Solace

Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:07 am

Any idea of what the plot is in the next Bond movie?
 
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RE: Quantum Of Solace

Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:15 am



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 41):
This is James Bond. Give me lavish high-rise penthouses in Manhattan or Paris.

Hey, what about the suite in the Atlantic Hotel in Hamburg, where he spent the night with Elliot Carver's wife in "Tomorrow Never Dies"?  Wink
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RE: Quantum Of Solace

Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:55 am



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 41):
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They all look alike..  Wink
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RE: Quantum Of Solace

Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:19 pm

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 2):
My other major problem is the overtly blatant product placement by the Ford Motor Company as at least 95% of the cars featured in the film are Ford products (Aston Martin, Ford, Jaguar, Range Rover and Land Rover).

Damm shame that the only ford products you listed were the Fod, all the rest were sold, Aston Martin in 2007 and Jaguar Landrover this year.

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 2):
(hell, a whole organisation of them in fact)

Quantum is the new Spectre, since the Russians are now the god guys you need a credible baddy.

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 2):
And that ladies and gents is the one and only Q

Q was never in the books, he was an addition for the movies. Bond in the books drove and old Bently, had a Rolex Submariner and used the Walther PPK.

Quoting Slider (Reply 10):
Since I hadn’t read the books at all, I really didn’t understand just how far the original films were from Ian Fleming’s brainchild. NOW it’s even drifted further away from the essence of who Bond was originally written as.

The original films were a long way from the books,most only used the books title and the names of the bad guys, generally everything else was changed. The last two are probably the most book like of all the Bond movies.

Thank christ they didn't let Pierce do a fifth, Die Another Day along with On Her Majesty's Secret Service were the worst Bond films ever. I think Dalton should have done the Brosnan films, or even someone like Sam Neil would have made a much better bond. Graig is a great Bond, he is the Bond for this time rather like Sean and Roger were the Bonds for there times. Just never let an American play Bond he's screw it up and that would be the end of the franchise.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 41):
Give me lavish high-rise penthouses in Manhattan or Paris.

He's been to New York in Live and Let Die and Paris in A View to a Kill, he didn't go into a lavish high-rise penthouse in either location.

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RE: Quantum Of Solace

Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:34 pm



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 41):
Miserable Camera Work

The cuts were too fast to properly absorb the actual footage.

I agree with you on that one. This was the main thing I wasn't too thrilled about.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 41):
No Bond Cars

Well, that's not entirely true. Technically, he had an Aston Martin for ten minutes at the very beginning of the film. Then he went on to drive an unremarkable Land Rover, and an even less remarkable Ford Bronco from the mid-eighties. Is this a James Bond movie?

Actually, it was the compact Bronco II (predecessor to the Explorer) he drove, not the large Bronco (think O.J. low-speed chase). Big grin

Another thing to keep in mind that Bronco II was a vehicle that Bond stole because the only thing available at the moment during the film... think back to For Your Eyes Only(?) when Bond (Moore) had to chase the bad guys in a little Citroen 2CV because his Lotus blew up earlier (when someone tried to steal it).

In a couple of the Connery Bond films (Thunderball and Diamonds Are Forever); there are brief scenes where Bond is sitting in the driver's seat of full-size Fords (Galaxie 500s). So there have been other times in the past where Bond is not driving a so-called Bond car.
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RE: Quantum Of Solace

Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:12 pm

I liked it although I found that it was more of an ordinary action flick than a James Bond movie.
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RE: Quantum Of Solace

Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:12 pm

How was the trailer for the upcoming re-make of "Star Trek" ?
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RE: Quantum Of Solace

Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:13 pm

I saw it yesterday. Entertaining movie, but it has nothing to do with the Bond films of old.

Instead of a villain who wants to control the world's finances, or cause WWIII, or exterminate humanity, or some other over-the-top danger, you have a gang who wants to control Bolivia's water supply and increase prices by 60%. oh, the horror...

Where are the fun evil henchmen of yesteryear? Jaws, Oddjob, Nick Nack, Whisper, Mr Wint and Mr Kidd? How about the captivating uber-villains like Blofeld, Dr. No, Stromberg, and Goldfinger. I just saw the film yesterday, and I can't remember a single villain in the film with any kind of interesting characteristics or features - I can't even remember their names.

Special effects have now taken a front seat - one of the charms of Bond films was that visual effects were minimal, and even somewhat cheezy. The story allowed you to grin at them anyway, like an old Star Trek episode.

I think Craig makes an excellent Bond, but he needs to lighten up and enjoy the part a bit more.

Bond movies are supposed to be over-the-top, fun, and right on the border of outrageous and way beyond the borders of political correctness.

Oh, and one more thing - Quantum managed to turn me off within the first minute with what has to be the worst Bond theme song, EVER. WTF are they thinking, bringing in the Spice Girls or whoever that was? Seriously, I can't think of one that even comes close on the gag-o-meter. Die Another Day and For Your Eyes Only were kinda iffy, but this one is a true stinker.
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