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Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:01 am

Malaysia clerics issue yoga fatwa

Millions of people in Malaysia have been banned from doing yoga because of fears it could corrupt Muslims.

The Islamic authorities have issued a ruling, known as a fatwa, instructing the country's Muslims to avoid yoga because of its Hindu roots.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7743312.stm

while on the other hand...

Arabs surf Israeli porn sites

Owners of Israeli sex sites report high percentage of entries from Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The hit: Clips starring female soldiers and Mossad women

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict apparently does not disturb and even encourages Arab internet users from consuming kosher Hebrew porn. Operators of a number of porn sites report that between two and 10% of their users arrive from Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Jordan, Egypt, and the Palestinian Authority. Some websites even go as far as offering services in Arabic.

http://www.haber27.com/news_detail.php?id=16085

 Wow!

[Edited 2008-11-22 23:05:31]
 
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:23 am

I spend my entire pre-20s life being told what a horrible place the world would be, and is becoming, without (hardcore) religion.

Yet (and I know this sounds like I'm reading it straight out of a cliche'-book), the more I look around and observe, the more apparent it seems that such an overwhelming number of the world's problems seem to be CAUSED by unquestioning adherence to hardcore (organized) religion.

So difficult for me to say... but then again, what is ignorance-- if not the inability to accept that which is constantly and repetitively observed to be accurate?  Sad
 
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:25 am

Well, It only applies to muslims in Malaysia, and it just instructs them not to practice Yoga.

Non-muslims and muslims that are able to see through that crap can keep doing whatever the hell they like. It's not a law.

I don't think issuing such backwards and ridiculous rulings is going to help 'enhance' the faith of many muslims who are instead going to feel a little more restricted by their religion.
 
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:04 am

Yoga is a way of staying fit thru exercise....Why involve religon in this.......Glad democratic INDIA with its 2nd largest muslim population in the world does not agree.
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:17 am

MadameConcorde.
I know you got mislead by the BBC headline.If you took the time to read the article you should have read the following.QUOTE{ To avoid}.Malysian Islam i found is relaxed and open.
Also in you heading you could have stated Religious authorities in Malaysia instead of Muslims.
Few years ago i joined some type of meditation group,well it seems it was some kind of exercise in breathing mixed with a sprinkle of religion.did it bother me,no,not at all.I have my religious beliefs and doubt that an breathing exercise will change those.



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Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:09 pm



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 3):
Yoga is a way of staying fit thru exercise....Why involve religon in this.......Glad democratic INDIA with its 2nd largest muslim population in the world does not agree.

Umm...maybe because is most forms of Yoga you are chanting the names and mantras of Hindu Gods!!! My church has a wellness centre that used to offer Yoga classes but we had to put an end to that once we actually did some resarch into what Yoga actually is. Its not the innocent excercise and stretching that people have been tricked into thinking that it is. While I dont encourage censorship, I would advise people who are members of a religion whose beliefs are not compatible with hinduism to avoid it.
 
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:33 pm



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 5):
Its not the innocent excercise and stretching that people have been tricked into thinking that it is.

Oh please.

What people have been "tricked" into thinking yoga is:



What it really is:

http://www.indianajones.de/indy2/pics/film/doom_53.jpg

Your yoga instructor:

 
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Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:58 pm



Quoting LHMARK (Reply 6):
Oh please.

What people have been "tricked" into thinking yoga is:

Obviously you have fallen into the trap as well! Yoga actually means "union with god" or "to yoke." This union is accomplished by disciplining the flesh through difficult postures and the mind through meditation. Even chanting "Om" during meditation is meant to unite your spirit with the Universal Soul; "Om" is a sacred Hindu sound symbolizing the "Absolute.

This is not to mention that whole thing about releasing the serpent in your spine that Yoga talks about. Sorry this is not compatible with Christian (or Islamic) theology.
 
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Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:13 pm

I guess you can put as much religious significance into exercise as you feel you need. Never, during yoga, have I chanted "Om." Yoga makes me sweat and push my body. It compliments my strength training and improves my flexibility. It's not religious to me because I don't make it so. Plus, the YMCA would probably discourage it.
 
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Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:42 pm



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 5):
Its not the innocent excercise and stretching that people have been tricked into thinking that it is.

Is baseball compatible with religion? Tennis? Football? The bastardized 'Yoga' that is taught in most places is MADE to be as secular as possible. You don't have to chant Om to put your leg in weird positions that will more than likely leave you sore for a fortnight. The origin is religious; the product isn't. Very much like say, a Christmas tree is quickly becoming.

Surely you don't think yoga is religious proselytizing.
 
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Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:15 pm

Yes I regularly chant the name of God when I do do Yoga.- "OH GOD, MY BACK!"

Just kidding......  Smile

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 8):
It's not religious to me because I don't make it so.



Quoting N867DA (Reply 9):
The origin is religious; the product isn't.

Agreed.
 
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Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:48 pm



Quoting N867DA (Reply 9):
Surely you don't think yoga is religious proselytizing.

Actually, yes I do and though it is a subtle form.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 8):
It's not religious to me because I don't make it so.

You may not choose to acknowledge its religious aspect but that does not change that fact that you are participating in mysticistic Hindu act.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:07 am



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 11):
You may not choose to acknowledge its religious aspect but that does not change that fact that you are participating in mysticistic Hindu act.

Oh, jeez! You're only "participating in a mystic Hindu act" if you actually give it power by believing in it.

For a good Christian, you put an awful lot of faith into Hindu mysticism.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:16 am



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 11):

You may not choose to acknowledge its religious aspect but that does not change that fact that you are participating in mysticistic Hindu act.

Halloween must really give you the creeps...
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:50 am



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 11):
You may not choose to acknowledge its religious aspect but that does not change that fact that you are participating in mysticistic Hindu act.

I stretch everyday before I do my exercise and many were taught to me by my friend who go's to Yoga classes. I am now concerned. At what point does the normal task of streching to warm up the body before exercise become a mystical religious act?
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:29 am



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 11):
Actually, yes I do and though it is a subtle form.

So when your church (which is supposedly led by Christians) decides on its own free will to use money donated by Christians to learn a secularized version of a Hindu exercise taught by fellow Christians, that's really proselytation? Interesting... considering the definition of the word is, "to convert or attempt to convert as a proselyte; recruit.". If we agree to on that textbook definition it sounds like your church tried to convert itself to another religion but fortunately it stopped itself in the nick of time! It's definitely something but it's not proselytizing.  duck 

Watch out!
 
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:42 am

Are we certain that they weren't just banning Yoda, considering that there are some that have attempted to get "Jedi" as a recognised religion on the national censuses.  Smile

It's a dangerous kind of religion that has corrupted its supreme leader into thinking that Jar Jar Binks was a good idea for a character.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:17 am



Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 12):
Oh, jeez! You're only "participating in a mystic Hindu act" if you actually give it power by believing in it.

For a good Christian, you put an awful lot of faith into Hindu mysticism.

I would say it doesnt matter whether you believe in it or not. Ungodly spirits dont necessarily need you to believe in them in order for them to posess you. The Bible says to avoid even the appearance of sin for this reason.

Quoting NSMike (Reply 13):
Halloween must really give you the creeps...

I have never celebrated halloween.

Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 14):
I stretch everyday before I do my exercise and many were taught to me by my friend who go's to Yoga classes. I am now concerned. At what point does the normal task of streching to warm up the body before exercise become a mystical religious act?

The minute you start worshipping the sun and chanting the names of Hindu dieties and letting the serpent in your spine uncoil.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 15):
So when your church (which is supposedly led by Christians) decides on its own free will to use money donated by Christians to learn a secularized version of a Hindu exercise taught by fellow Christians, that's really proselytation? Interesting... considering the definition of the word is, "to convert or attempt to convert as a proselyte; recruit.". If we agree to on that textbook definition it sounds like your church tried to convert itself to another religion but fortunately it stopped itself in the nick of time! It's definitely something but it's not proselytizing. duck

Watch out!

Actually, the person who introduced yoga to my church was a consultant from the Episcopal Church and the YWCA , whom we came to find out later had tons of unorthodox, new-age beliefs. She was a wolf in sheeps clothing! She was eventually fired by my church and ended up inhibited by the Episcopalian bishop as well.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:02 am



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 17):
Actually, the person who introduced yoga to my church was a consultant from the Episcopal Church and the YWCA , whom we came to find out later had tons of unorthodox, new-age beliefs. She was a wolf in sheeps clothing! She was eventually fired by my church and ended up inhibited by the Episcopalian bishop as well.

Strange to see this coming from a christian, who believes it is his right to proselytize, but see hidden ghosts behind an exercise where no asks you to believe in anything. Chanting some name which means nothing will not make you change your religion. Just shows how insecure you are with your own religion.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:21 am



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 17):

Actually, the person who introduced yoga to my church was a consultant from the Episcopal Church and the YWCA , whom we came to find out later had tons of unorthodox, new-age beliefs.

Okay, buried in that post was the word 'Episcopal Church'. I'll assume that'd make her Christian. So once again...where's the proselytizing? This lady with new-age beliefs tried to convert you to a different religion?

And even if you are a victim of proselytization (which is a pretty big assumption) let's not forget where all this started: Is it really okay to 'prohibit' people from doing yoga? Shouldn't people have the free will to choose how strictly or loosely to follow their religion?
 
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:13 am



Quoting N867DA (Reply 19):
And even if you are a victim of proselytization (which is a pretty big assumption) let's not forget where all this started: Is it really okay to 'prohibit' people from doing yoga? Shouldn't people have the free will to choose how strictly or loosely to follow their religion?

Yes they should, but look at who is doing the prohibiting of Yoga. It is just exercise to most. They are being a little hypocritical, like most religions, but this one?????????? WOW!
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:17 am



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 17):
tons of unorthodox, new-age beliefs

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are "unorthodox --- new-age beliefs" a different religion?
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Quoting Blrsea (Reply 18):
coming from a christian, who believes it is his right to proselytize

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just to have it mentioned, to proselytize for both Christians and Muslims in fact is not a "right" but, at least theoretically, a duty.
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Arabs surf Israeli porn sites

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But Malaysians possibly not !  Wink  Wink  Wink

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Malaysia clerics issue yoga fatwa
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Millions of people in Malaysia have been banned from doing yoga because of fears it could corrupt Muslims.

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in view of the ethnically complicated structure of Malaysia, I can imagine that the matter in reality is not religious but ethnic.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:17 am



Quoting N867DA (Reply 19):
Shouldn't people have the free will to choose how strictly or loosely to follow their religion?

 checkmark 

I think that's what it's all about...

You should choose what you want to believe in, not be forced to because your religion tells you.
 
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:24 am



Quoting LHMARK (Reply 8):
I guess you can put as much religious significance into exercise as you feel you need. Never, during yoga, have I chanted "Om." Yoga makes me sweat and push my body. It compliments my strength training and improves my flexibility. It's not religious to me because I don't make it so.

 checkmark  100% true.

I do yoga for the exact same reasons you mentioned.

Until organised religions stop putting senseless restrictions into the life of their (obviously unfortunate) staunchest believers, mutual understanding and broader minds will not prevail. And that sucks. Big time.

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 17):
Ungodly spirits dont necessarily need you to believe in them in order for them to posess you. The Bible says to avoid even the appearance of sin for this reason.

While I respect 100% your freedom of beliefs, as a friendly warning I will tell you that this is 2008. Maybe I should even point out that it is 2008, AD.

 Smile

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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:01 am



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 2):
Non-muslims and muslims that are able to see through that crap can keep doing whatever the hell they like. It's not a law.

Well, some folks take this sort of thing pretty seriously. No sense of humor, y'see.

I really liked this one. It seems that the Prez of Palistan had a fatwa laid on him for flirting with Sarah Palin....

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1002/p04s01-wosc.html

here's a fair use quote.

"With some overly friendly comments to Gov. Sarah Palin at the United Nations, Asif Ali Zardari has succeeded in uniting one of Pakistan's hard-line mosques and its feminists after a few weeks in office.

A radical Muslim prayer leader said the president shamed the nation for "indecent gestures, filthy remarks, and repeated praise of a non-Muslim lady wearing a short skirt."

Feminists charged that once again a male Pakistani leader has embarrassed the country with sexist remarks. And across the board, the Pakistani press has shown disapproval.

What did President Zardari do to draw such scorn? It might have been the "gorgeous" compliment he gave Ms. Palin when the two met at the UN last week during her meet-and-greet with foreign leaders ahead of Thursday's vice presidential debate with opponent Sen. Joe Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee.

But the comments from Zardari didn't end there. He went on to tell Palin: "Now I know why the whole of America is crazy about you."

"You are so nice," replied the Republican vice presidential hopeful, smiling. "Thank you."

But what may have really caused Pakistan's radical religious leaders to stew was his comment that he might "hug" Palin if his handler insisted.

Though the fatwa, issued days after the Sept. 24 exchange, carries little weight among most Pakistanis, it's indicative of the anger felt by Pakistan's increasingly assertive conservatives who consider physical contact and flattery between a man and woman who aren't married to each other distasteful. Though fatwas, or religious edicts, can range from advice on daily life to death sentences, this one does not call for any action or violence.

Last year, the mosque that issued the fatwa, Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) in Islamabad, condemned the former tourism minister, Nilofar Bahktiar, after she was photographed being hugged by a male parachuting coach in France.

Clerics declared the act a "great sin" and, though less vocal about it, similar sentiments were shared by many among Pakistani's middle classes. The Red Mosque gained international infamy in July 2007 after becoming the focal point of a Pakistan Army operation."
 
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:09 am



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 11):
Surely you don't think yoga is religious proselytizing.

Actually, yes I do and though it is a subtle form.

So is saying 'Merry Christmas' to anyone in the street, without first affirming that they are Christian and comfortable with receiving the greeting.

You really cannot be turned into a Hindu, because there's no specific means to be converted. Doing yoga certainly isn't going to do it. You may be treated as one if you followed its tenets and request to be treated as one, but whatever passes for 'conversion' to Hinduism is at best an ad hoc ritual done upon your request, with very little broad acceptance. I've seen white people refused entry into a temple because the religious authorities did not believe they were Hindu. The really genuine ones had to show documents 'proving' it, which wasn't necessarily conclusive because there's no uniform basis in the first place.
 
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:31 am



Quoting LHMARK (Reply 6):
Your yoga instructor:


I think that picture was my yoga class last week. I kinda felt like my vital organs had been removed and lit on fire, and learned a good lesson in the process. Pop Tarts and In-N-Out Burger are not proper foods to consume prior to a hot yoga class.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 8):
I guess you can put as much religious significance into exercise as you feel you need. Never, during yoga, have I chanted "Om." Yoga makes me sweat and push my body. It compliments my strength training and improves my flexibility. It's not religious to me because I don't make it so. Plus, the YMCA would probably discourage it.

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I've never chanted anything during a class. Neither have I witnessed anything remotely resembling religion in any of the four yoga studios I've attended. I too use it to complement other training. Running for cardio, weights for strength, yoga for balance and flexibility.
 
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:17 am

I have friends that practice yoga.I prefer the Gym.Most of them are christian too.Its never been looked at from a religious angle ever,but rather as a method of staying fit & healthy.
So I do find some observations odd.
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MEL
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:28 am

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 11):
Actually, yes I do and though it is a subtle form.



Thank you for commenting on this thread. I was going to mention that certain uber-Christian, and quasi-Christian groups are apoplectic over things like yoga. Jehovah's Witnesses are one such group that has stated ridiculous claims about yoga and meditation. After all "meditation opens your mind to demons".

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 1):
the more I look around and observe, the more apparent it seems that such an overwhelming number of the world's problems seem to be CAUSED by unquestioning adherence to hardcore (organized) religion.

Absolutely. Hypocrites abound in these hard-core groups. It's a control mechanism really. They make a list of rules no rational human can actually live up to 24/7/365, so their members fall short, then feel guilty, and BINGO the church now has control over them.

It's always stunned me how so many anti-govt people, and conspiracy nuts check their minds at the door when walking into their place of worship. If only they applied 5% of their doubting to their mystical belief system, they might just see how they are being used and fleeced.

[Edited 2008-11-23 23:31:19]
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:13 am



Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 28):
After all "meditation opens your mind to demons".

Yes it does, and the demons are called Introspection, In-Depth Contemplation, and Independent Thought. Of the three, dogmatic organized religions seem to fear the last one the most.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:20 am



Quoting TSS (Reply 29):
Yes it does, and the demons are called Introspection, In-Depth Contemplation, and Independent Thought. Of the three, dogmatic organized religions seem to fear the last one the most.

Yup, absolutely. Free thinkers are perilous to rigid religions.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:11 am



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 2):
Non-muslims and muslims that are able to see through that crap can keep doing whatever the hell they like. It's not a law.

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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 20):
Yes they should, but look at who is doing the prohibiting of Yoga

Not that i am defending there action,Far from it but there was no prohibition involved.It just says avoid.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 8):
It's not religious to me because I don't make it so

Exactly.You do not have to say anything when you are doing yoga.When things get chaotic during day to day life i do some meditation,i do not use any words or names but i just clear my mind take few deep breath relax for 30 minutes and then go back to the real chaotic world.Simple
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:44 am

Maybe we should just ban religion altogether as it clearly turns normal people into idiots. Besides after asking a hindu co-worker he's informed me that being a hindu is something you are born into, hindu's only allow reconversion of people or decendants of people who have converted to something else, so someone teaching yoga in a church wellness centre or in Indonesia is hardly going to be able to convert anyone.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:27 am



Quoting NSMike (Reply 13):

Halloween must really give you the creeps...

To heck with Halloween! Christmas has FAR more pagan ritual and roots in it than Halloween!

And once you're done chewing on that, how about a nice Pagan spring fertility rite?

I know! Let's call it "Easter!"

Seriously, I'm not baiting anyone. Do your own research. If you think these are Christian holidays, you have a BIG surprise waiting for you.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:28 pm



Quoting Blrsea (Reply 18):
exercise where no asks you to believe in anything. Chanting some name which means nothing will not make you change your religion.

It may not explicitly ask you to believe in anything but by partaking in it you are implicitly accepting the values behind it.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 19):
Okay, buried in that post was the word 'Episcopal Church'. I'll assume that'd make her Christian. So once again...where's the proselytizing? This lady with new-age beliefs tried to convert you to a different religion?

Sort of, she was trying to incorporate her beliefs into Christianity thus creating a new religion

Quoting N867DA (Reply 19):
Is it really okay to 'prohibit' people from doing yoga?

Goverment prohibition is bad. Prohibition by a private religious body is fine.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 19):
Shouldn't people have the free will to choose how strictly or loosely to follow their religion?

Yes people should have the free will to choose their religion and the religion should have the free will to kick you out if you bastardize their beliefs.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 25):
So is saying 'Merry Christmas' to anyone in the street, without first affirming that they are Christian and comfortable with receiving the greeting.

and they are free to ignore me and/or ban me from their private place of worship.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 25):
You really cannot be turned into a Hindu, because there's no specific means to be converted.

You might want to tell the Hindu lynch mobs in Orissa about that!!

Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 28):
stated ridiculous claims about yoga and meditation. After all "meditation opens your mind to demons".

I have no problem with meditiation, I medidate. But I meditate on the holy spirit, which is an appropriate subject for a Christian not a pagan God.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 31):
When things get chaotic during day to day life i do some meditation,i do not use any words or names but i just clear my mind take few deep breath relax for 30 minutes and then go back to the real chaotic world.Simple

Then thats not Yoga

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 33):
If you think these are Christian holidays, you have a BIG surprise waiting for you.

You are 100% correct and I have mixed feelings on celebrating them.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:26 pm



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 34):
It may not explicitly ask you to believe in anything but by partaking in it you are implicitly accepting the values behind it.

By your logic - may be I should stop wishing my friends a "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Easter" because somehow I am being Christian by simply doing so. What a load of ....
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:00 pm



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 34):
and they are free to ignore me and/or ban me from their private place of worship.

Fine with me. I've no problems with fundamentalist Christians deciding to ban yoga from their domains either. But get this straight - you can't become a Hindu through yoga even if you wanted to.

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 34):
You might want to tell the Hindu lynch mobs in Orissa about that!

The maoists and preachers target Hindu priests, and mobs take on freshly minted Xtians in response. You make religion a competitive "mine is the only path to redemption, yours is a satanic fraud" political game, it is going to get ugly real fast. You are kidding yourself if you think other religions will just roll over for you when you target their lot.
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:09 pm



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 23):
Ungodly spirits dont necessarily need you to believe in them in order for them to posess you. The Bible says to avoid even the appearance of sin for this reason.
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While I respect 100% your freedom of beliefs, as a friendly warning I will tell you that this is 2008. Maybe I should even point out that it is 2008, AD.

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Well, when "ungodly spirits" start to possess me, I shift to coffee and apple-juice !  Wink  Wink
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Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 34):
on the holy spirit, which is an appropriate subject for a Christian not a pagan God.

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"pagan God" ? I presume that Hindhus do NOT regard their Gods as "pagan" ones
 
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:29 pm



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 34):
You might want to tell the Hindu lynch mobs in Orissa about that!!

Considering that those peoples ancestors were most likely hindus before they were converted the hindus are reconverting them, they aren't seeking to turn everyone in the world into a muslim or christian like those faiths would like to do.
 
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RE: Muslims Ban Yoga In Malaysia

Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:17 pm



Quoting BarfBag (Reply 36):
you can't become a Hindu through yoga even if you wanted to.

Are you saying that spanking Australia in cricket would do the trick?  biggrin 

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 37):
Well, when "ungodly spirits" start to possess me, I shift to coffee and apple-juice !

And I shift to partying and associated forms of fun.  Wink

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 33):
And once you're done chewing on that, how about a nice Pagan spring fertility rite?

It's spring here, dude. But you obviously have a big head start on the celebration side of it...  silly 

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 34):
It may not explicitly ask you to believe in anything but by partaking in it you are implicitly accepting the values behind it.

None whatsoever.

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 34):
Sort of, she was trying to incorporate her beliefs into Christianity thus creating a new religion

There's this thing called freedom and independence of thoughts. Critical mind, maybe...

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 34):
Goverment prohibition is bad.

A bit of a blanket statement, maybe? Government prohibits killing. Is that such a bad thing?

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 34):
Yes people should have the free will to choose their religion and the religion should have the free will to kick you out if you bastardize their beliefs.

And shouldn't religions have the basic respect for their members to allow them to relate to their own private spirituality (aka what happens in my mind stays there and is SFA of your business) in whichever way said members see fit?

Or are religions simply a way to control minds?  eyebrow 

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