Ford Debuts 2010 Mustang Shelby GT500

stasisLAX · Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:45 am

At the 2009 North American International Auto Show in Detroit, Ford will debut the 2010 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500. The GT500 has a 5.4-liter supercharged V8 cranking out 540 horsepower and a massive 510 lb-ft of torque. The engine is matched up with a six speed manual transmission with a limited-slip differential as standard equipment.

2010 Shelby GT500

The new GT500 is fitted with new sheetmetal that makes it more aggressive-looking than the "garden-variety" 2010 Mustang GT. The exterior shows a much larger grille, an power dome hood, as well as a functional air extractor in the hood. At the rear of the car, the trunklid features a huge spoiler with letters that spell out "SHELBY" across the entire rear of the car. The car rides on standard 18-inch wheels and tires, with 19-inch aluminum wheels available as optional equipment. Four-piston Brembo brakes are standard.

Inside, there's leather seating with aluminum accents around the gauges. Additional sound deadening was used to keep a reasonable noise level inside. The car is electronically limited to 155 mph and 0-to-60-mph is expected to be approximately 4.3 seconds.

The Shelby GT500 will be available as a coupe or convertible models. The car should be on sale at Ford dealership by June 2009.

Article with many photos: http://jalopnik.com/5120297/2010-ford-shelby-gt500-coupe-convertible

I think this new Shelby Mustang is HOT!

[Edited 2009-01-01 01:47:10]

Stretch 8 · Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:32 pm

I drove a rental Mustang Shelby "GT-H" on a trip earlier this year to the LA area. Plenty or bhp and torque, but the thing handled like a '76 TownCar, poor steering response, lousy brakes, and all over the road. Hope they have that hammered out in this new edition.

keesje · Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:33 pm

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Just the car the current market / environment needs !

Good luck Mullaly, next time drive this one to Washington & Obama if you dare !

Good luck US car industry..

asuflyer05 · Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:49 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 2):
Just the car the current market / environment needs !

What do you suggest they build?

kc135topboom · Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:06 am

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
I think this new Shelby Mustang is HOT!

I agree.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 2):
Just the car the current market / environment needs !

Then don't buy one. banghead

stasisLAX · Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:23 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 2):
Just the car the current market / environment needs !

The Shelby GT500 will be produced in extremely limited number, with many of them likely going into private car collections. This is a halo specialty car, marketed to wealthy sports-car collectors, so Ford doesn't need to make it fuel efficient or environmentally uber-friendly.

If someone is in the marker for maximum fuel-efficiency and minimum carbon-footprint, try a 2010 Fusion hybrid or an Escape hybrid.

photopilot · Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:36 am

Billions in bailout money..... hard at work!

Didn't Nero once fiddle while Rome burned?

Goodbye NorthAmerican auto industry. And yes, I know Ford didn't ask for any bailout money THIS TIME..... but if you keep building niche cars for a niche market, the survival of your company will be in doubt.

Fly2HMO · Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:41 am

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 1):
Plenty or bhp and torque, but the thing handled like a '76 TownCar, poor steering response, lousy brakes, and all over the road. Hope they have that hammered out in this new edition.

Uhm, yeah, right. It's a muscle car. They're meant to handle like boats.

keesje · Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:39 pm

When the lights got red, environmental groups roared their voices, Al Gore made his movie, Ford (and the others) selected to totally ignore everything and put billions in developping cars like these. They knew better then let the world tell them what to do, hell no. Good financing is the trick.

Man. Did they hit the wall.

The government had to jump in big time to save their asses and they are still on live support.

By launching this car Mullaly shows all the green stuff is just a mask he puts on when required.

The fuel is chaep now so what the hack. He (they) apparently haven't learned a f.ck.

The sad thing is great brands will dissapear is they don't start listening & acting accordingly..

Hopefully the Obama movement can start making a change, starting to dismattle the believe you need cars like that, e.g. to be happy.

kc135topboom · Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:40 am

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 6):
Billions in bailout money..... hard at work!

Ford didn't take any of the government (our) money, nor did they ask for any.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
When the lights got red, environmental groups roared their voices, Al Gore made his movie, Ford (and the others) selected to totally ignore everything and put billions in developping cars like these. They knew better then let the world tell them what to do, hell no. Good financing is the trick.

Keesje, do you know what the best selling vehicle in the world is? It is the Ford F-150 pick-up truck that gets 15-20 MPG. Ford, GM, Chrysler and other OEMs build what the people want to buy. We will not actually know how much money the auto makers lost in 2008 (if they actually lost any money) until the last of the 2008 models are sold. True, their books currently show they lost money in 2008. That is because they have paid all their expenses for 2008, already. But, they still have 2008 model inventory to sell, and that money, if their are profits will end up being added to the 2008 year.

In Fort Worth, it is difficult to find a left over 2008 Ford F-150. There may be a few still at dealerships, but they are hard to find as Ford has heaverily discounted them. There are no 2008 Ford Ranger pick-up trucks in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex, and only a few of the 2009 Rangers.

I have also scene several 2009 Ford F-150s and Chevy Silverados on the road lately. So, GM and Ford pick-up trucks are still selling, and out selling Toyotas, Hondas, Hyundias, and Kias.

Ford, GM, and Chrysler need to build what car and truck buyers want, not what the US Congress tells them to build.

BTW, I'll be buying my new 2009 Ford F-150 in a few months.

asuflyer05 · Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:18 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
That is because they have paid all their expenses for 2008, already. But, they still have 2008 model inventory to sell, and that money, if their are profits will end up being added to the 2008 year.

Ummm I don't think that's how it works.

romeokc10fe · Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:33 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
Uhm, yeah, right. It's a muscle car. They're meant to handle like boats.

Uhhhh yeah...... WRONG!! No they are not meant to handle badly.This a modern day car, you can't compare any of the cars from the 60's and 70's in terms of handling to what is rolling out of the factories today. Back then all they cared about was straight line acceleration, but that wouldn't work today. Even a four door sports sedan from today can out handle anything from that era, and the Mustang, Camaro and Challenger are actually called a Pony cars.

photopilot · Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:48 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
Ford, GM, Chrysler and other OEMs build what the people want to buy.

Which of course is total nonsense. You perhaps have heard of the 2nd most famous street in New York City.... after Wall Street?

It's called Madison Avenue.... you know, that place where all the multi-billion advertising agencies are located. SELLING and PROMOTING the products that companies want to bring to your attention, and tempt you to buy. '

Millions and Millions of people didn't suddenly walk into car dealerships and one day say.... "Hey, make me a SUV because that's what I want". They were spoon fed advertising images of macho people driving tough vehicles and hey.... you too can be macho and tough if you drive one of our SUVs. That's the purpose of advertising, which all car companies spend bilions of dollars of advertising on.

"What the people want"....... or what they are pushed (subtley) to buy?

dxing · Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:33 am

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 5):
The Shelby GT500 will be produced in extremely limited number, with many of them likely going into private car collections.

I thought that the owners of the original Shelby GT500 were suing Ford based on the fact Ford said that there would only be a limited amount of these cars made ever and now they are producing more which will dilute the price of those already sold?

Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
starting to dismattle the believe you need cars like that, e.g. to be happy.

But if it makes a person happy and they can afford it, who are you to tell them they can't have it? BTW I believe there are more than a few super cars produced on your side of the pond. Why don't you work on ending their production lines and leave ours alone?

stasisLAX · Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:59 am

Quoting DXing (Reply 13):
But if it makes a person happy and they can afford it, who are you to tell them they can't have it?

Absolutely spot on! The point of this type of sports car is for the owner to thoroughly enjoy it. It's got extremely good handling and acceleration, it's great to look at, and it's collectible. It sure as hell would put a smile on my face anytime I would drive it. Some people still enjoy DRIVING a true capable sports automobile, rather than simply commuting in their appliance-like Camrys, Accords, and Impalas! yes

ABQ747 · Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:33 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
When the lights got red, environmental groups roared their voices, Al Gore made his movie, Ford (and the others) selected to totally ignore everything and put billions in developping cars like these. They knew better then let the world tell them what to do, hell no. Good financing is the trick.

The same Al Gore who flies on private jets, owns several mansions and a whole fleet of gas guzzling SUVs? That guy is a crook.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 14):
Absolutely spot on! The point of this type of sports car is for the owner to thoroughly enjoy it. It's got extremely good handling and acceleration, it's great to look at, and it's collectible. It sure as hell would put a smile on my face anytime I would drive it. Some people still enjoy DRIVING a true capable sports automobile, rather than simply commuting in their appliance-like Camrys, Accords, and Impalas!

If I had the money, I would definitely purchase one of these cars, along with a new F-350 Super Duty. Big grin

Fly2HMO · Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:26 am

Quoting RomeoKC10FE (Reply 11):
This a modern day car, you can't compare any of the cars from the 60's and 70's in terms of handling to what is rolling out of the factories today.

Yes, there has been (marginal) improvement, but when you compare the handling of a current "pony car" to, say, a European one of the same category (more so if it's German) the European's will always out-handle the ponies, even with less power. Except for maybe the GT40, which really isn't a pony and is more European than American, for that matter.

Falcon84 · Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:10 am

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 3):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 2):
Just the car the current market / environment needs !

What do you suggest they build?

Oh, I don't know-good, solid, fuel-efficient cars, that aren't over-priced, that will sell well, and help get their asses out from under this crisis. Just a thought? Yeah sure

Unbelievable that anyone woule even ask that question.

Quoting DXing (Reply 13):
But if it makes a person happy and they can afford it, who are you to tell them they can't have it?

I won't argue with you on that one. If they want to drive it, or a Hummer, or any other wasterful, ineffiecent vehicle, and spend a fortune at the pump, I'll just laugh my ass off at them. But they're perfectly fine, in my mind, to do so.

Superfly · Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:47 am

Absolutely gorgeous!
The numbers are very impressive too. (yes)
I'd love to have a convertible version of this car. drool

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 1):
the thing handled like a '76 TownCar,

Nice!

Quoting Keesje (Reply 2):
Just the car the current market / environment needs !

Save it!
Or be consistent and complain about the unveiling of the new gas-guzzling Mercedes, BMWs & Porsche.
Since you live in Europe, you don't have to worry about seeing many of these on your streets. Smile

mham001 · Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:06 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
Oh, I don't know-good, solid, fuel-efficient cars, that aren't over-priced, that will sell well, and help get their asses out from under this crisis.

Open your eyes, Ford builds plenty of them and more are coming.

What manufacturer is selling the only compact truck in North America?

dxing · Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:22 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
I'll just laugh my ass off at them.

And they'll be laughing right back at you. This is not a car you use to drive to the super market or commute to work in. If anything it's an investment. People who can afford this kind of car aren't too worried about filling it up now and again and then taking it out and enjoying it. That's what they are made for. They have other cars they do the chores in. Keep driving your K car and laugh about the only crappy ride you have.

Seems it was the Roush Mustang fans that weren't happy with Ford and Roush making more than the 100 cars they said they would, not the Shelby GT.

http://www.mustang.com/general-news/ford-sued-over-roush-blackjack/

sv7887 · Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:36 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Save it!
Or be consistent and complain about the unveiling of the new gas-guzzling Mercedes, BMWs & Porsche.
Since you live in Europe, you don't have to worry about seeing many of these on your streets.

Right on Superfly! I guess the poster ignores the BMW, Mercedes, and Audi SUVs that get terrible gas mileage. Their sedans hardly do any better. The automakers build what will sell, just ask Porsche how the Cayenne saved their bacon..

Ford builds solid cars. The Focus, Fusion, F-150, and Mustang are all well regarded. The new Fusion Hybrid beat the Prius in gas mileage tests and is getting rave reviews from the press.

As for the Prius worshipers you might want to recall that Toyota also makes the Sequia, 4-Runner, Tundra, Land Cruiser, and the entire Lexus division. Not exactly fuel efficient. The Lexus hybrids are a joke, they are tuned for performance rather than significant fuel savings. Al Gore's RX400h barely gets 20 MPG and 1 MPG better than the gas powered RX 330 (now 350)

Even Honda got into the crowd with their new Pilot which is much bigger than the last model. They all got caught with their pants down with this economy and are idling plants across the US.

Regarding the hybrids, the EPA calculated it will take 9 years to recoup your investment. As for the carbon footprint folks, do you think battery production is remotely good for the environment?

Those batteries use Nickel Hydride much of which comes from strip mines in Sudbury Ontario and is smelted there. Then the nickel is sent to Europe to be refined, and then to China to produce the battery. Acid rain, energy to run the plants, and emissions all are a factor there.

Just get a Honda Civic or any 4 Cylinder compact which gives nearly all the fuel savings without all the complicated electronics, batteries and what not. Better yet get a clean VW Diesel.

keesje · Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:08 pm

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 21):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Save it!
Or be consistent and complain about the unveiling of the new gas-guzzling Mercedes, BMWs & Porsche.
Since you live in Europe, you don't have to worry about seeing many of these on your streets.

Right on Superfly! I guess the poster ignores the BMW, Mercedes, and Audi SUVs that get terrible gas mileage.

The crazy thing is you can buy very eco friendly 3 series. They don't sell in the US. The have to put big inefficient engines first. Same for Audi and even Mercedes.

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t..._modelfinder/3er_touring_318d.html

Its the mindset that has to change. A difficult & long proces.

Boeing4ever · Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:39 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 2):
Just the car the current market / environment needs !

Ahh yes, because you know the US market so well. Yeah sure

Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
The fuel is chaep now so what the hack. He (they) apparently haven't learned a f.ck.

Spell heck correctly, and stop cussing. Are you even remotely aware of the work in Hybrids that Ford has done? They did it quite a while before GM and Chrysler woke up. Of course not...you assume that your solution "fits all" and have never done any real road travel in the US, nor have you given any though to the difference in transportation needs between the US and EU. One size does not fit all. But you're Keesje, and facts can't get in the way of your ideology...

Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
Hopefully the Obama movement can start making a change, starting to dismattle the believe you need cars like that, e.g. to be happy.

There is no such thing as an "Obama movement"...we don't treat Presidents are cult leaders. They serve us. He's got more important things to do than pander to your twisted social engineering views.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 22):
They don't sell in the US. The have to put big inefficient engines first. Same for Audi and even Mercedes.

They put those engines in by choice. Don't lie Keesje, seriously, honesty is very important.

Of course I know why you've taken such an interest in Ford...Mullaly. This is proxy A v B for you. Have you no shame?

B4e-Forever New Frontiers

[Edited 2009-01-04 12:42:15]

kc135topboom · Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:33 am

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 12):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
Ford, GM, Chrysler and other OEMs build what the people want to buy.

Which of course is total nonsense. You perhaps have heard of the 2nd most famous street in New York City.... after Wall Street?

It's called Madison Avenue.... you know, that place where all the multi-billion advertising agencies are located. SELLING and PROMOTING the products that companies want to bring to your attention, and tempt you to buy. '

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 12):
Millions and Millions of people didn't suddenly walk into car dealerships and one day say.... "Hey, make me a SUV because that's what I want". They were spoon fed advertising images of macho people driving tough vehicles and hey.... you too can be macho and tough if you drive one of our SUVs. That's the purpose of advertising, which all car companies spend bilions of dollars of advertising on.

Heellllooooo, Earth to Photopilot...........

You do realize those same Madison Avenue Ad Agencies that advertise for GM and Ford, also advertiose for Toyota, Kia, BMW, Nissan, VW, Jaguar, Range Rover, and others, don't you?

Most people I know are not lead around simply by Madison Ave advertising. When they decide to spend $15,000, $25,000, $35,000 or more of there hard earned money, and commit to a 4 or 5 year loan contract, they do a little more research than a TV commerical.

Why am I buying a 2009 Ford F-150 this year? It is not because I like the Ford TV commerical. I have gone to the dealerships, and used the internet. I have compared the F-150 to the Chevy Silverado, Dodge Ram, and Toyota Tundra, and again, in my opinion the F-150 is the best truck for me and to tow my RV.

But, maybe you know someone who only makes major economic decisions based on information they get from a TV commerical only?

Quoting Keesje (Reply 22):
Its the mindset that has to change. A difficult & long proces.

Keesje, you are absolutly correct. As soon as you Europeans start thinking like we Americans do, the whole world will be a better place.

bigthumbsup

keesje · Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:13 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 24):
Keesje, you are absolutly correct. As soon as you Europeans start thinking like we Americans do, the whole world will be a better place.

Yeah, what the hack..

Dougloid · Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:42 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
When the lights got red, environmental groups roared their voices, Al Gore made his movie,

Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
opefully the Obama movement can start making a change, starting to dismattle the believe you need cars like that, e.g. to be happy.

Keez, I've been on furlough for various and sundry reasons which I will explain if you pm me, but I've been waiting to respond to this posting and your response to it.

I think you're reading this all wrong.

My guess is that Ford will not sell very many of these, any more than Chrysler will sell Hemi Challengers or Vipers. It's an image thing. It's about advertising and promoting how people see the company.

If you know your automotive history you will remember that AMC built the AMX for homologation purposes but they built the Hurst SC/Rambler to give them something that said "performance" to the average Joe in the market for a four door sedan to schlep the wife and kids around. My father was like that-he always bought Mercurys with dual exhausts.

It's about branding and anyone who makes a habit of watching markets for consumer goods understands this. What sells cooking grade bicycles, computers and appliances? Why, it's the high performance models that give the boys and girls in marketing something to talk about when they're making sales calls and writing ad copy.

What sells the cooking grade Cannondale, Giant, and Trek bikes? The Tour de France, that's what.

If it is gashogs you object to perhaps you might start with a learned criticism of your own home grown european gas hoggery.

You seem to have a blind spot about this and I'd like to see you defend it instead of bitching about Ford.

yowza · Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:16 pm

Looks like a regular mustang (blah) with some slightly deformed body parts. Not much ground breaking style or... well anything. To each their own I guess.

YOWza

Superfly · Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:29 pm

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 21):
The new Fusion Hybrid beat the Prius in gas mileage tests and is getting rave reviews from the press.

Impressive.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 21):
Those batteries use Nickel Hydride much of which comes from strip mines in Sudbury Ontario and is smelted there. Then the nickel is sent to Europe to be refined, and then to China to produce the battery. Acid rain, energy to run the plants, and emissions all are a factor there.

WOW!
Do the treehuggers question the carbon footprint that shipping these heavy battery parts around the world? That can't be good shipping these heavy ships across the Oceans and freight trains across Asia.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 8):
Hopefully the Obama movement can start making a change, starting to dismattle the believe you need cars like that,

Not going to happen.
It wasn't even the centerpiece of his campaign.

Keesje:
I do respect you a lot as a user but I must ask, how come I never see you in the numerous BMW, Mercedes and Audi threads?

Dougloid · Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:32 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Keesje:
I do respect you a lot as a user but I must ask, how come I never see you in the numerous BMW, Mercedes and Audi threads?

Because that's different, 'fly. Don't matter that they'[re environmental disasters either.

And the "neighbors" would probably not be amused.

ACDC8 · Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:50 pm

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 6):
Goodbye NorthAmerican auto industry. And yes, I know Ford didn't ask for any bailout money THIS TIME..... but if you keep building niche cars for a niche market, the survival of your company will be in doubt.

Key word being NICHE market, and these cars are the only cars that aren't left on the lot at year end. These cars are very sought after, fetch a pretty good price and don't last a very long time (if any time at all) on the lot.

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 19):
What manufacturer is selling the only compact truck in North America?

Lets see, off the top of my head .... Ford, GMC, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota, Nissan.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 21):
The new Fusion Hybrid beat the Prius in gas mileage tests and is getting rave reviews from the press.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Impressive.

I think you guys have the Prius mixed up with the Camry hybrid ....

https://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/non_aviation/read.main/2021232/

mham001 · Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:54 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 30):
Lets see, off the top of my head .... Ford, GMC, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota, Nissan.

That would be wrong.

The only manufacturer selling a compact truck in North America is that dastardly Ford Co.

ACDC8 · Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:19 pm

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 31):
That would be wrong.

The only manufacturer selling a compact truck in North America is that dastardly Ford Co.

So the Chevy Colorado, GMC Canyon, Dodge Dakota, Toyota Tacoma and Nissan Frontier aren't compact pick-ups?

ABQ747 · Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:34 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 32):
So the Chevy Colorado, GMC Canyon, Dodge Dakota, Toyota Tacoma and Nissan Frontier aren't compact pick-ups?

Those are mid-size pick-ups. The Ranger is the only compact truck left on the market, and it is also the most fuel-efficient.

ACDC8 · Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:45 pm

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 33):
Those are mid-size pick-ups. The Ranger is the only compact truck left on the market, and it is also the most fuel-efficient.

I'll be honest, I'm not a truck person, but from all the reading I've done, they're all still classified as compact pick-ups ...

http://autos.canada.com/news/story.h...7ea4b7-c7c2-44d0-9f0f-fcef0e548c06

Having said I'm not a truck person, I have driven the Canyon/Colorado many times and I'll definitely stick to my guns that that is a compact truck.

ABQ747 · Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:03 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 34):
I'll be honest, I'm not a truck person, but from all the reading I've done, they're all still classified as compact pick-ups ...

http://autos.canada.com/news/story.h...7ea4b7-c7c2-44d0-9f0f-fcef0e548c06

Having said I'm not a truck person, I have driven the Canyon/Colorado many times and I'll definitely stick to my guns that that is a compact truck.

Maybe things are a little different in Canada, but in the US, these are considered mid-size trucks.

http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/stories/shreveport/page1.html

ACDC8 · Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:21 pm

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 35):
Maybe things are a little different in Canada, but in the US, these are considered mid-size trucks.

Not trying to argue or anything, so don't take this the wrong way

According to JD Power, even the Ranger is considered a midsize ...

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/article...008-Midsize-Pickups-Buyer's-Guide

So, is there a definitive line between compact and midsize?

Back on to topic though. Basically, the performance of the 2010 Shelby will be the same as the current GT500KR? There hasn't been anything that I've seen different on the specs (other than the obvious cosmetic face lift).

[Edited 2009-01-05 14:51:22]

ABQ747 · Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:13 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 36):
Not trying to argue or anything, so don't take this the wrong way

According to JD Power, even the Ranger is considered a midsize ...

Some people call the Ranger a mid-size, others call it a compact. This is really confusing. I still consider the Ranger a compact because it is considerably smaller than what the other automakers offer, and it also does not have a crew cab model.

ACDC8 · Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:22 pm

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 37):
Some people call the Ranger a mid-size, others call it a compact. This is really confusing. I still consider the Ranger a compact because it is considerably smaller than what the other automakers offer, and it also does not have a crew cab model.

We'll just leave it at that then. Like I said, I'm not a truck person so given the comparable size of other pick-ups on the market (such as the Canyon/Colorado), its very confusing to say the least.

kc135topboom · Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:06 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 25):
Yeah, what the hack..

Keesje, how old is that picture, and what month of the year was it taken. It was not taken in any January, I assure you of that.

BTW, the polar ice pack has just about fully recovered. It is almost back at early January 1979 levels, at about 18M square km.

http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=13834

BTW, the date on this artical is today, 1 Jan. 2009, not a story that is 5 or 6 years old.

Dreadnought · Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:10 am

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 1):
I drove a rental Mustang Shelby "GT-H" on a trip earlier this year to the LA area. Plenty or bhp and torque, but the thing handled like a '76 TownCar, poor steering response, lousy brakes, and all over the road. Hope they have that hammered out in this new edition.

Some 50 years after the advent of independant suspension, the Musting STILL has a live rear axle. The same technology found on a victorian baby carriage.

keesje · Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:39 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 29):
Because that's different, 'fly. Don't matter that they'[re environmental disasters either.

And the "neighbors" would probably not be amused.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
how come I never see you in the numerous BMW, Mercedes and Audi threads?

I think we have the SUV / Trucks by the balls here. Monsters from VW (Touareg), BMW X cars and even Porsches Cayenne, Audi and Volvo's.

These companies developped these cars with export (USA) in mind. In Western Europe they seem done.

As a well educated sensible person you don't want to be seen in one, not even as a passenger. Its embarrasing explaining everyone why you need to over polute the country like this.

Owners of SUV's gained the image of beech club & disco owners, mid live victims, compensators, tax lifters or hair dressers / over the top mums (females). If you drive a truck you are probably a public gardener, you hardly see them.

Folks have to pay additional tax for these cars, they are not allowed any more in some cities, all cars get energy labels that have to be clearly visible in showrooms.

But the image thing IMO did the trick ! Silly

You can get used ones very cheap these days 2006, 2007 models Smile

The many company cars are almost all savy common rail turbo charged 1.8-2.2 lt diesels that do 18 km on a ltr. Privat cars are even lighter Most have less the 100 SHP and most females prefer stylish light french, german and italian city cars. Japanese cars too.

mham001 · Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:55 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 38):
We'll just leave it at that then. Like I said, I'm not a truck person so given the comparable size of other pick-ups on the market (such as the Canyon/Colorado), its very confusing to say the least.

The Ranger is the only one that has not morphed larger over the years.

Superfly · Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:13 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 41):
I think we have the SUV / Trucks by the balls here. Monsters from VW (Touareg), BMW X cars and even Porsches Cayenne, Audi and Volvo's.

Germany also makes gas-guzzling sedans & coupes. I'd like to hear your opinion on those.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 41):
As a well educated sensible person you don't want to be seen in one, not even as a passenger. Its embarrasing explaining everyone why you need to over polute the country like this.

Hmmmm, I know of plenty of College professors that drive Mercedes S-class sedans, BMW 7-series sedans that get roughly the same gas mileage as some large trucks & SUVs.
scratchchin

By the way, that Ford F-150 truck is a fantastic vehicle and a true work horse. That is the truck of choice by many small businesses, maintenance service companies; plumbers, gardeners, electric companies, etc.

Anyone plan on buying one of these Mustangs?
I'd love to have one of these. Cool

Boeing4ever · Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:21 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 41):
As a well educated sensible person you don't want to be seen in one, not even as a passenger. Its embarrasing explaining everyone why you need to over polute the country like this.

A well educated and sensible person would understand the difference in transportation needs between the US and Europe.

Prius drivers essentially are seen as hypocrites. They extol how "green" they are while not considering the environmental impact of the manufacture and disposal of their hybrid vehicles. Giant batteries will have to be disposed of at the end of the vehicle's useful life. And what of batteries ruptured or damaged during accidents? Battery acid or CO2?

And that comes from free thinking, not sheep thinking that you do in a social engineered environment. If the government needed to finance a social smeer campaign against SUV's it goes to show some pretty badly misplaced priorities.

BTW, it's spelled "heck". A well educated and sensible person would know that too.

As for the car in your photo, I'd love to see your navigate around the Midwestern US during winter in that thing. I promise I will NOT stop at the side of the road to help you when you lose control and get stuck in a snow bank.

You're an engineer...I assume since you davel in aircraft concepts. You also know how to read markets.

THUS, you should probably do further study in the US before trotting out your angry flame-bait posts. Kapeesh? If not for A.net, then please, do it for the Polar Bear.

airplane

B4e-Forever New Frontiers airplane

PS, I'll have your rough wing sizing parameters for your turboprops when I return to my work computer in a week. Pls refer to Tech/Ops. Have a nice day.

Dougloid · Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:41 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 41):
I think we have the SUV / Trucks by the balls here. Monsters from VW (Touareg), BMW X cars and even Porsches Cayenne, Audi and Volvo's.

So where's the words of condemnation? Live by your own rule, Keez.

grumpy

Superfly · Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:29 am

Keesje:
I made it easy for you.

Please respond to these two threads before they get archived. Smile

https://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/non_aviation/read.main/2019451/

https://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/non_aviation/read.main/2021118/

Now folks, let's have fun and get back on topic with this new awesome Ford Mustang Shelby GT500! Cool

ACDC8 · Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:43 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 43):
Anyone plan on buying one of these Mustangs?

Does plan and dream count as the same thing .... lol! If I had the money, I wouldn't hesitate, but all I can afford would be another base GT (not that I'm complaining) Big grin

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 42):
The Ranger is the only one that has not morphed larger over the years.

As I said ...

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 38):
given the comparable size of other pick-ups on the market (such as the Canyon/Colorado), its very confusing to say the least.

The Canyon/Colorado isn't much bigger than the Ranger. One source claims that they're compact trucks another claims they're midsize. Until there is a definitive guideline between the two, I'll consider the Canyon/Colorado in the same size class as the Ranger Wink

UAXDXer · Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:05 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 46):
Now folks, let's have fun and get back on topic with this new awesome Ford Mustang Shelby GT500!

I am......... as soon as the government bails me out!

mham001 · Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:29 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 47):
The Canyon/Colorado isn't much bigger than the Ranger. One source claims that they're compact trucks another claims they're midsize. Until there is a definitive guideline between the two, I'll consider the Canyon/Colorado in the same size class as the Ranger

Youre right, they are close. I see so few of them I forget they even exist. Compared to the Tacoma though the Ranger is 5 inches narrower and 6 inches shorter.

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