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QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:53 pm

Thanks to Andreas Busecke for the 2 awesome videos on his page here:-

http://andreas-drbusecke.magix.net/

He also has some amazing photos here.

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/711316/pos/8/display/14950804

QE2 RULED THE WAVES

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Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:14 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
QE2 RULED THE WAVES

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Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:12 pm

Hi,

Just to say many thanks for the links etc. That guy has some pretty good pictures on his website to say the least.

Personally I never got the chance to go on the QE2 but I did see her once or maybe more leaving from Southampton (when they used to have a great viewing gallery to watch ships from too). Was definitely nice seeing the ship sail away in the evening light with the tropical band playing by the pool.

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Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:17 am

Beautiful ship and in my opinion far more elegant than the QM2.
 
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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:28 am



Quoting ANZUS340 (Reply 3):
Beautiful ship and in my opinion far more elegant than the QM2.

Agreed! My heart breaks everytime I drive past the previously gorgeous S.S. United States and see her rotting in the Delaware River at her dock in south Philadelphia.
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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:53 pm



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 4):
Agreed! My heart breaks everytime I drive past the previously gorgeous S.S. United States and see her rotting in the Delaware River at her dock in south Philadelphia.

Aye, but she's in far better shape than her sister, America.
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Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:13 pm



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 4):
Agreed! My heart breaks everytime I drive past the previously gorgeous S.S. United States and see her rotting in the Delaware River at her dock in south Philadelphia.

For the life of me I can't understand why this ship hasn't been scrapped, there is no way she will ever be put in service again and I can't see her being turned into a museum.
 
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Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:43 pm



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 6):
For the life of me I can't understand why this ship hasn't been scrapped, there is no way she will ever be put in service again and I can't see her being turned into a museum.

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Why not being turned into a museum. As we on this forum discussed before, all depends on how they will make it. Some of the ideas of the gents in Dubai are absolutely moronic.
 
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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:55 pm



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):
As we on this forum discussed before, all depends on how they will make it. Some of the ideas of the gents in Dubai are absolutely moronic.

Nakheel, the QE2 new owners are in deep financial trouble. A lot of their building projects have been put to a halt and many of their expat workers lost their jobs.

The project of turning the QE2 into a hotel/casino and amusement park is postponed for the time being if not totally scrapped. There was even recent talk that the ship would be sent to the scrapyard for metal price.

Dubai is not doing too good at the moment.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...104&sid=acRHNIgkVw0M&refer=mideast

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...104&sid=aGFDbiICCoBQ&refer=mideast
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Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:26 pm



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):
Why not being turned into a museum. As we on this forum discussed before, all depends on how they will make it. Some of the ideas of the gents in Dubai are absolutely moronic.

I meant the SS United States not the QE2, the United States in probably too far gone to do anything with. I would rather see the QE2 scrapped than chopped and changed like what the Dubai dudes are going to do with her.
 
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Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:35 am

Sailed the QE2 Southampton - New York autumn 1975. Awesome ! After many months on the road (as far as Afghanistan, in fact) and losing 22 lbs, the food was FANTASTIC ! Even the 2 AM ham and cheese sandwiches from the late night menu were on the house. My stateroom, and roommate, one Booth Gathings from Binghampton NY, were terrific.

Toured the ship, captained a gambling team of Fulbright scholars who knew shit about shit about gambling. Playing minimum bets we doubled our money 1st night, lost it all 2nd. No hard feelings but lots of good laughs. Perhaps I knew shit about shit as well.

Conversation with engineering officer, stated the engines could deliver 265k shp. I worked out in my head, based on the fineness ratio of the hull, that this should translate to about 40 knots top speed. When I asked him about it, he hemmed and hawed and finally said "Er, well, maybe, but it's supposed to be classified." Check out QE2's journey to the Falklands in 1982. I was right.

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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:20 am



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 10):

You have a link to that speed as several websites say 34 or 32.5 knots. If you are indeed right, she would be capable of going 46mph, faster than sportfish battle wagons I know of.

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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:01 am



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
several websites say 34 or 32.5 knots

This is what was advertised to the general public. I am sure she was capable of higher speeds. She was the Concorde of the Seas.

I wonder what motivated CarniCunard selling her to Dubai when Southampton was willing and ready to pay the £50M to get her only that they passed them by and sold directly to Nakheel.

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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:18 am

I am not sure why you are upset about the QE2 going to Dubai. Now if ever the new owners do complete the plans for turning it to a hotel and museum, we then have to wait and see what is the end result. Anything is better than scraping it.
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Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:36 am



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 10):

You have a link to that speed as several websites say 34 or 32.5 knots. If you are indeed right, she would be capable of going 46mph, faster than sportfish battle wagons I know of.

Southampton to Falklands was 8,000 nm, completed in 8 days. The math is easy. On return to the UK, the Royal Navy, so I understand, paid for new engines to be installed.

IIRC, when I was on it, we were doing 28 knots going trans-at. There was a HUGE foamy wake of froth stretching behind QE2 for what seemed like miles. I cannot imagine what it would be like at 40 (or whatever). The main entertainment area was the "Double Room", a two-story open area sitting over the engines. You sure could tell that, too, from the vibration. Again, going flat out, I can't imagine what that would have felt like.
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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:35 pm



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 14):

Southampton to Falklands was 8,000 nm, completed in 8 days. The math is easy

According my math she did that crossing at 41.6 knots or 47mph. Very interesting indeed that QE2 would have set speed records.

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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:47 pm

Why do they have to retire the QE2 anyway?
 
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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:51 pm



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 16):
Why do they have to retire the QE2 anyway?

She's getting on in years and they have replaced her with the QM2.
 
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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:37 am

And they have QV and in 2010 they will be joined by the new QE
 
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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:38 am

But can't they keep QE2 and use it on short cruises?
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:18 am

How was she able to reach 41 knots on just two props. The orignal QM and QE, needed four props to keep their speed up. The United States, needed four prop to keep her speed up, and she was lighter than the QE2, even the QE2 replacement the QM2, need four props to keep her speed up.
 
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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:40 pm



Quoting 747400sp (Reply 20):

British engineering and know how  Wink

Would i be correct in saying that before and during the Falklands war, the QE2 was still steam turbine powered?, and after the war, refitted with diesel electric motors?
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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:34 pm

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 21):

Would i be correct in saying that before and during the Falklands war, the QE2 was still steam turbine powered?

This is true. She was a steam Ship.

QUEEN ELIZABETH 2
(wartime configuration)

DISPLACEMENT: approx. 37,000 net
tons
LENGTH: 963 feet
BEAM: 106 feet
SPEED: 28 knots (service), 32 (full)
POWER PLANT: Steam turbine
ARMAMENT: .5 inch Browning machine
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1969
BUILDER: John Brown & Co. Scotland

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 21):
and after the war, refitted with diesel electric motors?

This is also true.

This is a page about the QE2 in the Falklands war.

http://www.beyondships.com/QE2-Falklands-1.html


  

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Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:27 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
She was the Concorde of the Seas.

I think that was the SS United States.
 
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
I think that was the SS United States.

I don't think so.

Like Concorde the QE2 was instantly recognizable, of British design, provided the very highest standards of onboard luxury, was launched in the late 60s AND carried passengers from the UK to New York!
 
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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:12 pm

With the new owners of the QE2 it's always "maybe".

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/54895...mulls-plan-to-open-qe2-to-visitors

Nakheel mulls plan to open QE2 to visitors
by Andy Sambidge

Master developer Nakheel on Sunday revealed it may open the QE2 liner to visitors while it draws up plans for its transformation into a luxury hotel.
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Nakheel added that it was also investigating the possibility of opening the QE2 to visitors in her current condition for a short period of time before her refurbishment begins.
A final decision on whether this will be possible is expected within the next month or so.

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Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:39 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 25):
A final decision on whether this will be possible is expected within the next month or so.

Welcome to the business as usual in our area.
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Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:48 pm



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 26):
Welcome to the business as usual in our area.

This is only one aspect of the problem.

Security will be the number one problem. They will have to screen every visitor carefully before they get on board the same as at the airport.

I don't find Dubai Airport security check is tight. I flew out of Dubai without any checking on liquids (like face lotions) or lipsticks or liquid make-ups or shoes or much of anyting else in fact. It was hard to believe how easy it was.

About opening the QE2 to the public for visits, can you imagien how many workers Nakheel will need to train to take care of the ship while the public is on board?

The QE2 is a very big Ship with lots of stairs and corridors and rooms and hallways. They will not be able to let people run free inside the Ship. They will need to organize the tours and train the tour guides about the history of the Ship.

This will not be a cruise situation.

They will have to be careful that people who visit the Ship don't go astray to unwatched areas and so many other things I can't think of at this very moment.
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Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:57 pm

Heck! I hope she will not be sent to the scrapyard for metal cost.
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From The Sunday Times
March 8, 2009
Question marks over QE2’s future as a swanky hotel

Ambitious plans to turn the QE2 into a luxury hotel in Dubai may be in jeopardy as the building boom in the city grinds to a halt.
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Now, however, there are fears that the next chapter could well be a final cruise to the breakers’ yards if Nakheel finds the multimillion-pound price of converting the liner too high to justify.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/news/article5864334.ece

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Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:05 pm

Is she still in shape to travel back to Southampton? Hopefully they haven't removed anything of need yet...
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Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:57 am

The treasure trove of the QE2

Tahira Yaqoob

DUBAI // The ramshackle shed on a dusty road to Bur Dubai would not normally raise a second glance. Who would guess that it housed a cache of treasures? But look at the writing scrawled on the flaps of the cardboard boxes inside and all becomes clear.
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Within this simple, brown wooden shed lie the remnants of one of the greatest names of the sea, gathering dust in the hands of the Mission to Seafarers charity - a rather ignominious end to a liner symbolic of the glamour era, when ocean travel catered to the affluent and influential members of society.

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090314/NATIONAL/808085486/1010

You can think that the Ship's new owners would have made an offer to Southampton pror to selling off the QE2 collection to these people for a mere £8000?

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Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:11 pm

Commodore Ronald Warwick:

QE2 memorabilia sale rumours are untrue
10:03am Friday 27th March 2009

RUMOURS that Southampton’s former liner Queen Elizabeth 2, now in Dubai, could be scrapped have been dismissed as “inaccurate’’ by one of the ship’s most famous captains.

Speaking exclusively to the Daily Echo, Commodore Ronald Warwick, confirmed all of the liner’s historic and valuable memorabilia remains safely on board as QE2 waits to be converted into a floating hotel.

read more...

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4239...abilia_for_sale_on_the_web_untrue/
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Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:01 am

Madame Concorde i do not wish to add to your chagrin but this is another icon going to Dubai
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-aviation.html
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Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 32):
Madame Concorde i do not wish to add to your chagrin but this is another icon going to Dubai
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html

Friend SOBHI, this has not happened yet.  alert   airplane 

I don't want to think of what would happen in case there is an attack against Iran, which is just across the water from Dubai, at a fairly close distance I must say...
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:51 pm

Broken link...anyone care to relate what it said?
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RE: QE2: Riding The Atlantic In Fine Style

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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):

I think that was the SS United States



Quoting Baexecutive (Reply 24):
I don't think so

The QE2 and Concorde both came out around the same time... in fact there were travel packages offered to sail one way-and concorde the other
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