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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:15 pm



Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 44):

Cities vote Democrat because they generally have large minority populations.

And pretty much all the White people in SF vote Democrat, too. And in New York. Cities vote Democrat because if you live in diversity and understand diversity, you tend to vote pro-diversity.
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:32 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 50):


And pretty much all the White people in SF vote Democrat, too. And in New York. Cities vote Democrat because if you live in diversity and understand diversity, you tend to vote pro-diversity.

Ummm no offense Doc, but I don't know that diversity lies at the top of many people's agenda. Further, SF and NYC are home to some of the most extreme liberals there are out there so that doesn't suprise me.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:52 pm



Quoting UAL777 (Reply 51):
Further, SF and NYC are home to some of the most extreme liberals there are out there so that doesn't suprise me.

Do you consider Salt Lake City home to extreme liberals? With their <2% black population how do you explain all those white people voting Democrat? The home of strict alcohol rules and a near-ban on pornography, not to mention the anti-gay Mormon Church...they are definitely as crazy-left-wing as those nuts in San Francisco and obviously that's why they vote Democrat.

...same thing with the other hotebeds of radical left wing politics: Albuquerque, Tucson, Omaha, etc...

I know it's disturbing to be lumped in with the Republican Party's base - Holy Rollers watching NASCAR from their trailer home in rural Mississippi and cultured West Virginia, but that's the reality. Could Warren Buffet know something you don't?

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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:07 pm



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 49):
Can't nobody find the happy medium anymore? Geez!

If I may,

suggestion n°1: get used to being an outcast.
suggestion n°2: move to Germany/the Netherlands/Austria/the UK/Scandinavia.

In short, good luck.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 50):
And pretty much all the White people in SF vote Democrat, too. And in New York. Cities vote Democrat because if you live in diversity and understand diversity, you tend to vote pro-diversity.

It would also be interesting to see if there is a correlation between living in large urban areas, and level of education. And then see if there is a correlation between level of education and votes. Not just in the US, but in all democracies.

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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:05 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 50):
And pretty much all the White people in SF vote Democrat, too. And in New York. Cities vote Democrat because if you live in diversity and understand diversity, you tend to vote pro-diversity.

Urban centers have been democratically controlled machines for over a century now. Look at Chicago. Try getting something done without going thru the precinct captain and see how far you get. Same with Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis...all cities that vote democratic and have democratic machines running them. It doesn't have as much to do with diversity as it does with patronage.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:56 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 54):
Urban centers have been democratically controlled machines for over a century now. Look at Chicago. Try getting something done without going thru the precinct captain and see how far you get. Same with Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis...all cities that vote democratic and have democratic machines running them. It doesn't have as much to do with diversity as it does with patronage.

What does the Democratic machine have to do with individuals choosing who to vote for? You're suggesting that the Democratic machine in every city is what got Obama elected? If that's the case, why does it require cities to make this Democratic machine work?
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:58 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 54):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 50):
And pretty much all the White people in SF vote Democrat, too. And in New York. Cities vote Democrat because if you live in diversity and understand diversity, you tend to vote pro-diversity.

Urban centers have been democratically controlled machines for over a century now. Look at Chicago. Try getting something done without going thru the precinct captain and see how far you get. Same with Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis...all cities that vote democratic and have democratic machines running them. It doesn't have as much to do with diversity as it does with patronage.

Last I checked, I didn't have to get permission from my precinct captain in order to vote. Doc is just about right, although it goes beyond diversity. If you grow up in a city, where people are packed more densely and where individual's lives are inextricably interwoven with those of their neighbors, you are more likely to consider the good of the community when you vote, and so you'll probably lean Democratic. If you grow up in a rural area, where people live, succeed, and fail more on their own, you are more likely to consider the good of the individual, and so you'll probably lean Republican.
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:28 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 54):
Urban centers have been democratically controlled machines

The machine being displayed in Chicago is frightening ... NPR had all the voices rising up against the de-seating of Burriss. Even in the face of complete purgerous action by Buriss , the Blagovich scandal and payoffs for senate seats .. they don't care. No big deal ,, lets forget about it and just create jobs " the people don't care about this scandal ..they want jobs."
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:57 am



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 56):
Last I checked, I didn't have to get permission from my precinct captain in order to vote.

Try getting the street in front of your house repaired or any other number of things done that require assistance from the government.
 
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Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:41 am



Quoting Cairo (Reply 52):

I know it's disturbing to be lumped in with the Republican Party's base - Holy Rollers watching NASCAR from their trailer home in rural Mississippi and cultured West Virginia, but that's the reality. Could Warren Buffet know something you don't?

Ooh, not only are your facts wrong, your also condescending. How nice.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 38):

Jefferson County with about 300k voters went blue, Shelby county with about 85k voters did go red, true, and the overwhelming margin in favor of blue around cities is the same everywhere.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. If you add the TOTAL of Jefferson and Shelby counties it is 218,758 for John McCain and 180,590 for Barack Obama. so 54.7% - 45.1%.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 38):

...oh yes it does! This trend of solidifying Republicans in rural poor areas and Democrats in wealthy urban areas has been brewing since Clinton in 1992. As America urbanizes, as immigration trends continue - things move towards favoring the Democrats.

Take a look at Alabama again. You see that blue band running across the state level with Montgomery? Thats the poorest part of the state.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 46):

(all cities below voted Democratic - black population does not determine Democratic vote)

Again going off of 1 election does not show anything.
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:00 am



Quoting UAL777 (Reply 59):
Ooh, not only are your facts wrong,



Quoting UAL777 (Reply 59):
Take a look at Alabama again.

Alabama is one of the poorest backwaters in the country and therefore a primary base of support for the party of the rural and poor.

Top 10 Richest States
1) Maryland - blue
2) New Jersey - blue
3) Connecticut - blue
4) Hawaii - blue
5) Massachusetts - blue
6) New Hampshire - blue
7) Alaska - red
8) California - blue
9) Virginia - blue
10) Minnesota - blue

9 Poorest States
42) Montana - red
43) Tennessee - red
44) Kentucky - red
45) Louisiana - red
46) Alabama - red
47) Oklahoma - red
48) Arkansas - red
49) West Virginia - red
50) Mississippi - red

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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:21 am



Quoting Cairo (Reply 60):

Alabama is one of the poorest backwaters in the country and therefore a primary base of support for the party of the rural and poor.

Alabama has a lot of rural communities but it is not "backwater". It is 4th in the country for auto manufacturing, is home to Redstone Arsenal, the Marshall Space Flight Center, Regions Bank, Compass Bank, and others. Mobile is a growing port city that just landed a steel production plant in 2007. In fact, Airbus was going to build the KC30 there! Further, what are you using for your yardstick to define "poor"? State GDP? Per-captia income? What?
 
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Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:39 am



Quoting UAL777 (Reply 61):
Alabama has a lot of rural communities but it is not "backwater".

With all due respect to Cairo .... I think the backwaters of Cairo Egypt could use a bit of attention before he needs to worry about "Bama "... Role Tide !

Why is it that we in here in the US always need to change ? ... mind boggling .
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:04 am



Quoting Cairo (Reply 60):
Alabama is one of the poorest backwaters in the country and therefore a primary base of support for the party of the rural and poor.

Want to see rural, poor, and backwater? Well, go up to Maine where I grew up! It's also one of poorest states in the country that's often right behind Mississippi in a lot of rankings. My dad grew up in Mississippi, and I've spent a lot of time down there as well. But after living in Maine for 28 years, honestly, I've got to say I've met more rednecks, seen more mobile homes with cars on cinder blocks in the front yards up there, and met more uneducated people, or other people living in near poverty than I ever seen in the deep south! A lot of fat ugly woman, and men wearing flannel and with their best Wal-Mart Wranglers driving their pickups with gun racks up in Maine too! (Some even have Confederate flag license plats covers on the front!) The only difference between Maine and the southern states is that's it's about as Blue as you can get! And has voted Democrat every election for at least thirty years! It's also one giant welfare state! Look of the stats. There's more people receiving some sort of welfare in Maine per capita than any other state! Guess what's not that uncommon recreation for teenagers in rural Maine? Taking the .22 to the town dump and shooting rats! Not making that up. I've done it myself in years past! :P

No doubt, the south has it's share of poverty and such, but that doesn't always mean those kind of places are red states! They can be Democrat too! The south was primarily Democrat until the 1960's. That's why those states were known as the "Dixiecrat States" And I assure you, most blacks in the south aren't voting Republican these days! (Hate to admit it, but a large part of southern poverty comes from the black population) Originally, racial issues steered things toward being red down south today. Started with desegregation. But these days, the people in those states align themselves with Republicans more because it's the party of good ole' fashion traditional down home folks. They don't relate with a Democratic party that's become more and more hijacked by the liberals who don't share the same morals, values, and traditional culture as they do. That's why they call the northerner's "damn yankees" and yankee's call them "rednecks" ( Even though there's plenty of places up North, such as rural Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, etc. that are every much as redneck as the deepest "backwaters" of the deep south! I like it though, it's nice to still be able to go somewhere to escape the insanity of places like San Francisco, Boston, and New York. It's a free for all in those places these days!

Hell, it's been a few years, but I once saw a map in Time magazine showing the states with the highest proportion of NASCAR fans. The top state wasn't Tennessee, Georgia, or West Virginia. It was MAINE! Democrat all the way. Every time!

Just had to defend all the bashing of the south or the other poor states mentioned. You never hear about the crap hole redneck states that actually vote Democrat. And yes, they exist!
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:08 am

I don't recall there being a song "Sweet Home New Jersey" either.
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:11 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 50):
Cities vote Democrat because if you live in diversity and understand diversity, you tend to vote pro-diversity.

The old "celebrating diversity line." Makes me want to puke! How about conservatives will start "celebrating" diversity when libs follow their own advice and celebrate the diversity of non-liberals who don't think like them? They only "celebrate" diversity when it's liberal aimed diversity! They could start by celebrating the diversity of the people in the red states that think and live differently than them. When they do that, then maybe the rest of us will celebrate as well. But I think hell will freeze over before that day come?
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:47 am



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 65):
How about conservatives will start "celebrating" diversity when libs follow their own advice and celebrate the diversity of non-liberals who don't think like them? They only "celebrate" diversity when it's liberal aimed diversity! They could start by celebrating the diversity of the people in the red states that think and live differently than them.

Well, for that to happen "liberals" (can we refrain from tagging labels on people whose backgrounds and opinions very greatly, and that includes the "conservative" labelling as well) would have to move from cities. Why would they do that? They have diversity on their doorstep, where they live, so why would they move to the South?

And who says "liberals" and "conservatives" do not enjoy their differences? More to the point, who actually cares about who voted for whom when you live on the same block/apartment/street? If you have a pint at the pub, who is to say that you will not shout your round to people who voted for candidates who represent very different opinions than yours? And what do you care anyway?

People who live in large cities get to experience diversity on a daily basis, and that includes race, religion, country of origin, football team, political opinion and car manufacturer. It's one of the good points of living on top of one another.

People who live in more rural/remote areas get to experience life in the great outdoors, and do things on a daily basis that just would not cross a city person's mind.

You know what? We need both.

You don't like it? Stay away from it. Rest assured, they'll stay away from you.  Smile
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:39 am



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 65):
They could start by celebrating the diversity of the people in the red states that think and live differently than them.

Crtainly. As long as that record changes from being anti-suffrage, anti-interracial marriage, pro-slavery, anti-gay, anti-immigration, anti-any-religion-other-than-Christian.

That's the "Conservative" record so far. Not GOP, just Conservatiove. When that record changes, then we can celebrate some diversity.
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:04 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 34):
Even the so called moderates

LOL, what's with this "so-called" stuff? Moderate is not some flim-flam mode of political thought - it's perfectly legitimate to be against taxes, government bloat/endless bureaucracy, excessive market controls, overextended foreign policy, wasteful defense spending, blind trade alliances and infiltration of religious and other agendas into individual rights - all at the same time.

The ever-growing numbers of the "independent" category are proof positive that there are tens of millions of Americans who refuse to stand with the so-called "core principles" that define our two major parties.
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:08 pm



Quoting UAL777 (Reply 61):
Alabama has a lot of rural communities but it is not "backwater".

Mention any city state or place on this board and you'll get several posts along the lines of "It is the fastest growing...it is home to xx coporations...it is the best place for business....blahblahblah" its all shite - there has to be a richest and poorest and Alabama is almost the poorest.

People in Maryland and others near the top MAKE TWICE AS MUCH as those in Alabama.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 62):
I think the backwaters of Cairo Egypt could use a bit of attention before he needs to worry about "Bama "... Role Tide !

I'm not allowed to vote in Egypt, or sure, I would, btw, how many times have you been to Egypt? I've been to Alabama at least a dozen times...

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 62):
Why is it that we in here in the US always need to change ?

Totally off topic, but a good answer is because America should fix itself before it starts "fixing" others overseas...

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 64):
I don't recall there being a song "Sweet Home New Jersey" either.

Half of Springsteen's catalog is about the Garden State...

Look, there are a lot of Republicans out there that are well paid and live in nice suburbs and so forth and I used to be one of them, but the party is moving away from the party of wealth to the party of rural redneck...appealing to simpleton ideas about brutish patriotism and religion simply to win office - once they get to Washington they promptly ignore their heartfealt campaign cries against abortion and the evils of government, spending like crazy....not that the Dems are any better.

Cairo
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:03 pm



Quoting Cairo (Reply 69):
have you been to Egypt

Twice in my life ... and I loved it there. My brother in law was born and grew up in Cairo .. he now lives in Alabama ..incidentally. There are some great people in Bama Cairo ... perfect ..no but good people.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 69):
America should fix itself before it starts "fixing" others overseas...

Fair enough , but Bama does not need "fixed " to become something that you think is acceptable. The people there have progressed over time and will continue to do so.. that is how it works in America.
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:32 pm



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 68):
The ever-growing numbers of the "independent" category are proof positive that there are tens of millions of Americans who refuse to stand with the so-called "core principles" that define our two major parties.

Yet it never ceases to amaze me how some folks go to great lenghts to defend the actions of their parties when said parties are part of the problem to begin with. Blind faith in the two parties (or any politician for that matter) is a disease which I hope I never catch.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 66):
can we refrain from tagging labels on people whose backgrounds and opinions very greatly, and that includes the "conservative" labelling as well

This is one of my biggest pet peeves. We have to have a label for everyone in America, and once we label the person he or she must conform with the characteristics of that label. They used to celebrate individualism in the US, now the trend is to try and fit everyone in a bucket. I always liked that quote which says that what we need in this country, more than anything, is diversity of thought.
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:05 pm



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 68):
LOL, what's with this "so-called" stuff?

But when a commentator spends 90% of his writing time bashing conservatives and 10% bashing liberals and calls themselves a "moderate" then the so-called is pretty apt wouldn't you agree?
 
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:46 am



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 71):
We have to have a label for everyone in America, and once we label the person he or she must conform with the characteristics of that label.

That is actually something I have noticed in my admittedly limited experience of America and American people. Every thing and every one must have a name and a clear definition otherwise, I don't know, they feel uncomfortable, perhaps?

I remember learning about what a "play date" was. As in when children are invited over to someone else's place to, well, play. I will sound like a grumpy old man but in my young age I would simply say "I am going to xxxx's place to play". And my parents would tell each other "oh, he is at xxxx's place to play" not "he has a play date at xxxx's".

Similarly, I had to be educated about the subtle yet serious differences between a Thursday night date and a Friday night date. I may have offended, or maybe brusqued an American lady by asking her out on Friday night - much too "committing", seemingly. Thursday would have been less "pressuring" I was told.  rotfl  Was just dinner, y'know.

Cracks me up but I understand that it can erase some of the mysterious, undefined, shades-of-grey aspects of some of the most mundane things in life.

I know - completely off topic.  Smile
 
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:28 am



Quoting Cairo (Reply 69):
People in Maryland and others near the top MAKE TWICE AS MUCH as those in Alabama.

Yeah, and the cost of living in states such as Maryland, New York, Mass., is twice as much as places like Alabama, or Miss., or North Dakota! Once you consider things such as taxes and property values, etc. So, you live in one of the rich states and make $80k per year, but after you consider the cost of living, you're really not netting much more than the guy in Alabama that makes $45k, but who pays much less for their house, and for numerous taxes, etc.!

Quoting Cairo (Reply 69):
Look, there are a lot of Republicans out there that are well paid and live in nice suburbs and so forth and I used to be one of them, but the party is moving away from the party of wealth to the party of rural redneck..

So anybody that chooses to live the rural lifestyle is redneck, and those in the city are ever so much more civilized, smarter, and superior? That's BS! And I'd really disagree Republicans are the party of the rural redneck. It's the party of those who believe in being self-supporting, and believe in less government. Sure, big cities might be mostly Democrat, but there's a lot of poor people in mega metropolitan areas. Probably more so than those who are well off? And I think it's fair to say those that have gotten educated, worked hard, and earned their millions are most likely Republican? Not a Democrat who is jealous of others success, and believes that if you earn more then a mere $250k certain per year, than you should practice income redistribution, taking the money from those who've actually worked their ass off to earn it, and giving to those who are either less fortunate, or choose not get educated, work hard, get ahead and earn their money? Hell, if I work my ass off to make $400K per year, why should I have to pay more taxes to support those who either didn't get an education, didn't work hard enough, or did something like getting pregnant out of wedlock and who now can't support their own bastard children? America isn't a socialist country, though we're headed that was with our current president! America is about making money, being self sufficient, and earning your worth. Not working hard to support and subsidize those who either won't, or can't. That's the philosophy of countries like Sweden and Norway! Where everybody is equal, and if you don't support yourself you can rely on those who do to support you with cradle to grave benefits!

Before I moved to Europe, I use to make a mere $35k per year. And everybody told me that's why I should vote for Barack Hussien, because he was there to help the poor working class guy such as myself. But I don't expect help, and and to get a tax break. I have free will in America. And if I'm not happy making 35k per year or having a hard time getting by, I have every opportunity to go to school, work hard, get ahead and make more. It's not the duty of those who make more than $250k per year to pay more of their hard earned money to help the guy who made less, like me! That's my responsibility if I'm unhappy with where I was at! Not the guy who actually worked hard to get ahead!
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:57 am



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 74):



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 71):
We have to have a label for everyone in America

Charles, it looks like your "stop labelling" project is growing in scope and depth by the minute.  Wink
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:44 pm



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 71):
Yet it never ceases to amaze me how some folks go to great lenghts to defend the actions of their parties

***AGREE***

Most Americans will defend the exact same policy decision if it comes from their party and attack it if it comes from the opposing party.

I feel it is very much like a sports team loyalty - people hear rhetoric like "Republicans are against big government," or "Democrats are pro-choice," once when they are fairly young and then just stay loyal to that party their whole lives without thinking.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 74):

It's amazing how the Repbulicans are the most vocal to defend the right of the rich to be rich and then when you point out that the poorest parts of the country are Republican and that the Republican base is the poor / rural south, they go to great lengths to explain how all that yucky money Democrat voters have in rich states isn't really desirable by the Republicans anyway and that they prefer their lavish lifestyle in rural Mississippi.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 73):
ursday night date and a Friday night date.

Possibly starts in college - Thursday night is more for going out with friends in a group to get drunk at a bar with cheap Thursday night specials while Friday is definitely more the night to get a committed one-on-one date.

Thursday nights were my favorite - commitment sucks.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 68):
Moderate is not some flim-flam mode of political thought - it's perfectly legitimate to be against taxes, government bloat/endless bureaucracy, excessive market controls, overextended foreign policy, wasteful defense spending, blind trade alliances and infiltration of religious and other agendas into individual rights - all at the same time.

****PERFECT**** explanation for a lot of us - the Republicans left us when they started infiltrating religious dogma into the party, spending like crazy, and adopted a macho chest-pounding patriotism to appeal to certain voters (but which was actually a cover for certain foreign policy objectives).

The Democrats think government is the answer for everything, spend like crazy, like excessive market controls and are sure they can spend our money better than we can.

Where do you go if you're fiscally consevative and socially liberal?

Cairo
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan Nails It.

Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:18 pm



Quoting Cairo (Reply 76):
Where do you go if you're fiscally consevative and socially liberal?

Easy answer - Northern Europe, Canada, Australia/New Zealand.  Smile

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