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Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:56 am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/med_swine_flu/print

"Obama himself was playing golf while U.S. officials used a White House news conference to compare the emergency declaration with preparing for an approaching hurricane."

Could you imagine the media outrage had this been Bush???
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:27 am



Quoting UAXDXer (Thread starter):
"Obama himself was playing golf while U.S. officials used a White House news conference to compare the emergency declaration with preparing for an approaching hurricane."

Oh dear, please excuse him for not sitting at his desk 24/7 and never sleeping.

Attacks like these on any politician, regardless of who they are, or what party they represent are out-of-line.  redflag  They have a right to have their own time as well.
 
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swin

Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:40 am

If he should exhibit a similarly catastrophic performance (or lack thereof) as Bush with Katrina, there will be no shortage of harsh criticism.

Recreation is normally intended to preserve one's strength back at work. As long as he's not slacking at the expense of his job there should not be a problem.

From what I've seen he seems to be closer to the hyper-active side than to the AWOL side so far...
 
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:01 pm



Quoting Cpd (Reply 2):
Oh dear, please excuse him for not sitting at his desk 24/7 and never sleeping.

Not only that, there are a lot of business deals done on the course. And for me personally, this is the first time I've heard of him taking a break since he was sworn in.
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:21 pm

For the record, Obama was golfing at Andrews AFB and receiving hourly updates on the swine flu. If he needed to hit the road, AF1 was just a stone's throw away.
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:50 pm



Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 6):
For the record, Obama was golfing at Andrews AFB and receiving hourly updates on the swine flu. If he needed to hit the road, AF1 was just a stone's throw away.

Even then, every person in a leadership position has to realise that you can't do every job yourself, that there exists specialists for a purpose, and that, once the general orders have been given, micromanaging causes more harm than good.

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Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:51 pm



Quoting UAXDXer (Thread starter):
Obama himself was playing golf while U.S. officials used a White House news conference to compare the emergency declaration with preparing for an approaching hurricane."

Could you imagine the media outrage had this been Bush???

Oh for Pete;s sake. Do you honestly think he is going to stop the threat of a world wide Swine Flu outbreak!!!. Give the guy a break . The only way he could do this is to do a Bush and stop all incomming travel, freight etc from any infetcted area , and this includes not only Mexico but several cities / countries from around the world . And what will this do to the current worls wide economis situation .And if he done this he would be the worlds biggest LOSER. So give the guy a break and let him and all the people he has around the world who know what to do , get on with it and stop being a drama Queen.

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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:55 pm



Quoting Fxramper (Reply 7):
Everyone just chill and have a Marlboro.

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Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:03 pm



Quoting UAXDXer (Thread starter):
Could you imagine the media outrage had this been Bush???

Actually Bush did pretty much the same thing several times and it was never a big deal either.
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:05 pm



Quoting UAXDXer (Thread starter):
Could you imagine the media outrage had this been Bush???

Actually, 8 years of Bush disappearing on vacation on a MUCH higher frequency that previous presidents never really made the news, and it really should have.

As of March 11'th 2008, Bush had broken the record for most vacation days as a sitting president. 879 days at his Crawford Texas ranch.

Apart from being mentioned in the news, there never really was that much public backlash at this, as there should have been:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...1/politics/uwire/main3927378.shtml

Of course, that was March of last year. Considering nothing was really done last year by him or his administration, I'd suspect that # to be a lot higher now.

Do people here really think that the President playing a round of golf is a MAJOR problem? He took 3 hours out of his weekend to play a round of golf, when there's a flu going around?

The flu kills hundreds of thousands of people all over the world every year. What is so concerning about this particular strain is that it's virus that had not previously been transmittable to humans, so the health professionals are taking an overbundance of caution to ensure that things don't spiral out of control.

Did you go to work today? Did you go to your favourite coffee stop this morning? Well, perhaps you should be chastised for continuing on 'business as usual', during this "epidemic".

Seriously, can you guys find something more critical to complain about?

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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:08 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
If he should exhibit a similarly catastrophic performance (or lack thereof) as Bush with Katrina, there will be no shortage of harsh criticism.

Very true. I dont think that Mr Obama would like that ''manslaughter'' charge on his Presidency though.
 
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:18 pm

Actually, you may recall that Bush got slammed at one point for not playing golf. There was some interview where he stated that to respect the troops over in Iraq he had given up golf, since he didn't feel it was appropriate to be playing golf while US troops were dying in Iraq and he wanted to make some sacrifice himself. He was promptly ridiculed for a) having been photographed playing golf after the date when he said he had given it up and b) thinking that giving up golf was in any way comparable to the sacrifices made by US troops in Iraq.
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:29 pm



Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 10):
As of March 11'th 2008, Bush had broken the record for most vacation days as a sitting president. 879 days at his Crawford Texas ranch.

Do you think he was really on vacation all 879 days? He probably was "working from home" many of them. I don't think a sitting POTUS ever really has time off.

It's not in any way comparable to you or I taking vacation time.
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:36 pm

Petty petty petty.

And then the immediate comparison to the outrage that we would have seen had this been Bush. If Obama performed as poorly as Bush did, you'd see the same outrage.
 
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:35 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 14):
If Obama performed as poorly as Bush did, you'd see the same outrage.

Obama will never perform as poorly as Bush, the mainstream media and his followers will make damn sure of that.
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:38 pm



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 15):
Obama will never perform as poorly as Bush, the mainstream media and his followers will make damn sure of that.

So it would really take media manipulations to make Obama look more competent than Bush? Is that what you really believe?

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Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:52 pm



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 15):
Obama will never perform as poorly as Bush, the mainstream media and his followers will make damn sure of that.

Yep.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
So it would really take media manipulations to make Obama look more competent than Bush?

It took the media in his back pocket, and paving over all the red flags of his past to get him this far. They have no reason to stop now. Admit your bias, please.
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:53 pm

Clearly with such an important story as this, one can on wonder..... who had the lower handicap, Bush or Obama?
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:00 pm



Quoting IgneousRocks (Reply 17):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
So it would really take media manipulations to make Obama look more competent than Bush?

It took the media in his back pocket, and paving over all the red flags of his past to get him this far. They have no reason to stop now.

And despite substantial evidence, you summarily deny the possibility that people might be impressed with Obama because he actually is intelligent...?

Quoting IgneousRocks (Reply 17):
Admit your bias, please.

I'm always biased towards intelligent and (at least apparently) decent people.

Sue me.
 
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:03 pm



Quoting IgneousRocks (Reply 17):
Admit your bias, please.

Right. And the people complaining that Obama went golfing aren't biased?

Petty.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 15):
Obama will never perform as poorly as Bush

That is true. It is a very low bar to overcome.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 15):
the mainstream media and his followers will make damn sure of that.

The media has very little to do with the job performance of the people it reports. Besides, this whole "liberal media bias" bull is an overplayed hand. Conservatives have as much if not more media access than liberals do, so it's not the case at all that the Party of No is not being heard.
 
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:03 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):

So it would really take media manipulations to make Obama look more competent than Bush?

More like making Bush look like the worst president ever.

If you seriously believe that the media doesn't manipulate the news in a persons favor, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:13 pm



Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 21):
More like making Bush look like the worst president ever.

And you think that lies about 9/11, the illegitimate and thoroughly botched Iraq invasion, the neglected and festering Afghanistan situation, torture ordered from the White House and many, many more screwups had absolutely nothing to do with the horrendous image of the Bush administration?

People just don't like him because of "media manipulation"?

Give me a break!

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 21):
If you seriously believe that the media doesn't manipulate the news in a persons favor, I have a bridge to sell you.

Well, yes, at one time before the Iraq invasion the largely manipulated and uncritical US press (with very, very few exceptions!) actually made over 70% of americans believe that Saddam had been behind 9/11. A rare low point of the freedom of press in America.

I personally try to get my news from a diverse set of sources, primarily including public broadcasting among them which is paid for by me and the other citizens, not by lobbyists and industry with agendas of their own (case in point: Fox "News", the mouthpiece of Rupert Murdoch).
 
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:28 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
People just don't like him because of "media manipulation"?

Give me a break!

Some people simply cannot accept that it is their own fault, and must find a way to blame others. The media is an easy target, when what you really should have been after was a better president. Republicans should have been railing on Bush to be a better president, but this blind partisanship in the end did them in.

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Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:29 pm



Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 21):
If you seriously believe that the media doesn't manipulate the news in a persons favor, I have a bridge to sell you.

So tell me, Maverick623, what bridge did you buy?

There's no doubt that media has bias but in what direction? And how unified (one-sided) is the media in their bias? Those who rail about the liberal media are in la-la land. The so called liberal media gave incredible leeway to the Bush Administration; reasons for going to war, torture, disregard for the rule of law, extending powers of the administrative branch - all of these things happened with very little media scrutiny.
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:30 pm

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 3):
Not only that, there are a lot of business deals done on the course

A lot of business people that don't play golf will take lessons so they can play well. If you play golf with your bosses you may move up the latter than those who don't play. I know my dad took a lot of clients golfing. Not only did he get to play a fun round he also closed lots of deals. Sometimes he got more work done golfing than he would at the office. Back before cell phones you could have a meeting that would not be interrupted by the phone.

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 3):
And for me personally, this is the first time I've heard of him taking a break since he was sworn in.

me to.

Quoting Mal787 (Reply 7):
The only way he could do this is to do a Bush and stop all incomming travel, freight etc from any infetcted area , and this includes not only Mexico but several cities / countries from around the world

Bush wouldn't have done that. Big business would never have allowed him to stop anything from coming in from Mexico. Big business loves the cheap labor and the cheap products.

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 10):
As of March 11'th 2008, Bush had broken the record for most vacation days as a sitting president. 879 days at his Crawford Texas ranch.

Who held the previous record?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
Very true. I dont think that Mr Obama would like that ''manslaughter'' charge on his Presidency though.

That would never happen. The only people that would want to charge a president are in power right now and I doubt they would go after themselves.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 15):
Obama will never perform as poorly as Bush, the mainstream media and his followers will make damn sure of that

I am not so sure. Right now yes, but if things continue to crumble under Obama the press may not be so kind in two or three years.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
I personally try to get my news from a diverse set of sources

That is a good idea. I have always found that getting news from at least three sources is a good bet. I get most of my news from the newspaper, the radio, and Newsweek magazine. I find TV the weakest on the news front. They have a lot of hype, but not much substance. The radio is great for headline and quick info. The print or online media is where I turn for detailed info.

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Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:40 pm



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 25):
Who held the previous record?

Ronald Reagan did.
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:41 pm



Quoting UAXDXer (Thread starter):
Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Sounds about as worthy an argument as the one some people use to attack Bush for not storming out of the elementary school when 9/11 happened.

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 5):

Well said.
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:49 pm



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 27):
Sounds about as worthy an argument as the one some people use to attack Bush for not storming out of the elementary school when 9/11 happened.

You do realize, I hope, the difference in urgency between an ongoing terrorist attack and the very early stages of what may or may not be a new strain of influenza.
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:54 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 26):
Ronald Reagan did

I figured it was somebody recent. I would bet that modern era presidents take more time off than presidents of the distant past.

Quoting UAXDXer (Thread starter):
Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

On the radio this morning they said we have had 13 cases in the US and no deaths. This seems to be being made into a huge deal even though there hasn't been much happening. Thousands die each year in the US of the regular flu and you rarely hear about that. Could the hype be because a bunch of those cases are in NYC and you have the news networks there in force. There has been 100 or so deaths in Mexico. I would imagine thousands die in Mexico every year from the flu too so what is the big deal. I remember a few years ago when the bird flu was the big thing and not much happened with that either, in the US.
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:46 pm

Shame on him he should have run off to Toys'r'us and bought a "My First Bio-Chemistry Set" and created a cure by now  Yeah sure

Seriously, why is this a big deal? The CDC and other agencies are keeping on top of this. The problem is in their domain of expertise and they are better placed to monitor it and advise accordingly...

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Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:58 pm



Quoting YOWza (Reply 30):
Shame on him he should have run off to Toys'r'us and bought a "My First Bio-Chemistry Set" and created a cure by now

Seriously, why is this a big deal? The CDC and other agencies are keeping on top of this. The problem is in their domain of expertise and they are better placed to monitor it and advise accordingly...

Very well said! Neither is he a scientist nor an expert on desease....let the qualified people handle it. Once you have given general orders...let them do their job!


PS: Its been MONTHS since we've been having either: Bash Bush or Bash Obama threads....lets discuss the situation at hand i.e. the flu outbreak....not to bash one person over the another. Jeeeez!
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:33 pm



Quoting UAXDXer (Thread starter):
Could you imagine the media outrage had this been Bush???

I can as the man was infamous for taking month long vacations.
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:21 pm

Obama can stay up to date with the news with his blackberry while he's 3 putting.  rotfl 

Quoting YOWza (Reply 30):
The CDC and other agencies are keeping on top of this.

A la FEMA with Katrina under Bush.  Yeah sure
 
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:37 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
Conservatives have as much if not more media access than liberals do, so it's not the case at all that the Party of No is not being heard.

Exactly - the whole 24/7 cable news chatterbox is built around Republicans being in power. The whole talking heads pundit-model came together during the Reagan administration and matured during the Clinton years, when GOP whining was at it's loudest and most shrill. There's a great article about it in this month's Vanity Fair .

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Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:43 pm



Quoting UAXDXer (Thread starter):
Could you imagine the media outrage had this been Bush???

Personally I say go play golf ! But , of course the response would have been quite different for Mr. Bush.

IMO , This distracts from the stuff going on in the background . A issue I am looking at is Gietners proposals to increase the vote counts for Russia , Brazil and China at the IMF. His statement over the weekend that he intends to offer more veto power to "emerging economies " raised my eyebrow. Especially his comment that the policy of the US has damaged the world economy and thus more input from these countries is needed. It sounds good .... but of course it is just another posture of this apologetic administration. Comparing our economy to China and Russia is simply ridiculous and shows the lack of understanding in this area. What they want to do is make our economy more like China and Russia maybe ... run from the capital for the capital and by the capital.

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Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:07 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 28):
You do realize, I hope, the difference in urgency between an ongoing terrorist attack and the very early stages of what may or may not be a new strain of influenza.

And what is Obama going to do if this gets bad? Is he going to freak out and run out of whatever 10-minute event he is in?

Stupid then, stupid now. Tables are turned and the party making the stupid arguments have switched.
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:30 pm



Quoting Fxramper (Reply 34):
A la FEMA with Katrina under Bush.

Well to compare the CDC to FEMA indicates that you may not know your government agencies all that well. The CDC is comprised primarily of medical professionals who have had to display competence and merit every step of the way in their careers. The same can not be said of FEMA; an agency that has tremendous scope for nepotism.

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Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:48 pm



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 37):
And what is Obama going to do if this gets bad?

The key word in this sentence was "IF." Your speculation that Obama will run around like a chicken with his head cut off (or worse, continue to read My Pet Goat) has what basis in reality?

And no, I did not expect Bush to perform so poorly that morning. Or during Katrina. Or during the destruction of the economy. This whole idea that "it would be so much different if Bush were president" is based on the utterly ridiculous idea that Bush wasn't an amazingly bad president on at least two occasions. (And that's not even taking into account Iraq and torture.)

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 37):
Tables are turned and the party making the stupid arguments have switched.

Right. Because they're both the same.
 
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Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:11 pm



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 37):
And what is Obama going to do if this gets bad? Is he going to freak out and run out of whatever 10-minute event he is in?

We'll cross that bridge IF and when we come to it (let's hope we don't). Additionally, he's the president, not a scientist. Right now there isn't anything he can do except keep tabs on it and plan (which I'm sure he has had extensive meetings on what to do should this become a pandemic already). The point remains, on 9/11/2001, George W. Bush, the Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces failed to re-assume that role when he needed to. Those could have been vital minutes lost. Thank God I don't think it ultimately affected anything in the negative, but the fact is he should have stopped. One was a much more immediate happening than the other, and unlike 9/11, there is nothing that Obama can do at this particular moment...

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Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:18 pm

I am not comparing. But even God rested on the seventh day. Should he be going around labs,medical institutes and drug factories to keep some of you happy?
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:18 pm



Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 33):
Quoting UAXDXer (Thread starter):
Could you imagine the media outrage had this been Bush???

I can as the man was infamous for taking month long vacations.

And, after a while, the media didn't make such a big deal out of Bush's constant vacations. Yes, Crawford was White House West, but what a lot of people didn't like is that, during a protracted crisis, Mr. Bush spent so much time away from D.C.,

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 36):
Personally I say go play golf ! But , of course the response would have been quite different for Mr. Bush.

Actually, it would not have been. President's play golf; they go on speaking engagements all the time-the president cannot be tied down with one issue, and let everything else go to hell, and he also has to keep up appearances, even golf, during even a crisis. And while Bush, IMHO, left Washington way too much to be justified, simply going out for golf some morning isn't the same thing, is it? A president HAS to leave the WH at least occasionally-ask Jimmy Carter about president's who get stuck in there, and what happens to them.

This is just more GOP, right-wing grandstanding, over absolutely nothng. They have no answers to the nations problems, just ranting against the president. Even their alleged "alternative budget" was a joke and a scam, and everyone saw through it.

A president needs an occasional break from the stress. So what?

Unbelievable.
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

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Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
If he should exhibit a similarly catastrophic performance (or lack thereof) as Bush with Katrina, there will be no shortage of harsh criticism

I doubt it.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
Even then, every person in a leadership position has to realise that you can't do every job yourself, that there exists specialists for a purpose

The surgeon generals and the head of the CDC positions have NOT been filled yet even though we are 100 days into his reign. Either we do not need those positions or the messiah plans on taking care of this himself.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 15):
Obama will never perform as poorly as Bush, the mainstream media and his followers will make damn sure of that.

Damn straight. And even worse was his press conference after the match when he used this oppurtunity to pander for his national healthcare plan. What a disgusting use as a PR oppurtunity by the PR Prez..

Quoting Klaus (Reply 19):
And despite substantial evidence, you summarily deny the possibility that people might be impressed with Obama because he actually is intelligent...?

Without his Telepromptor telling him what o say he sounds just as ahhh bad ahhhhh as uuhhh Booosh. He is a PR show.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 28):
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 27):
Sounds about as worthy an argument as the one some people use to attack Bush for not storming out of the elementary school when 9/11 happened.

You do realize, I hope, the difference in urgency between an ongoing terrorist attack and the very early stages of what may or may not be a new strain of influenza

So over 100 people already dead across the border and how many more being sick should not require some urgent action. With an open border that allows illegals to scurry around our country unchecked and unknow we should not be worried that they are carrying something. The potential is for deaths and sickness is far more thtn 9/11. But he is the chosen one and we should not worry. Funny how the media does not talk about the threat of the illegals bringing disease across the border.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 30):
Seriously, why is this a big deal? The CDC and other agencies are keeping on top of this

Without a leader being placed yet? No surgeon general yet?

Quoting YOWza (Reply 38):
The CDC is comprised primarily of medical professionals who have had to display competence and merit every step of the way in their careers. The same can not be said of FEMA; an agency that has tremendous scope for nepotism.

So scientist and medical personbel cannot be biased or be corrupted? Or there is no nepotism at the CDC but their is at FEMA. Care to back that up with some data.
 
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:29 pm

Wow, thank goodness. It's been at least five minutes since someone came up with a spurious anti-Obama thread, I was getting worried for a minute there.

Seriously, what next? "Obama goes to the toilet while world suffers economic turmoil"? This is getting truly ridiculous. At least we waited for Bush to screw the world up before criticising him left right and centre. Obama hasn't even been in office five minutes yet.
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:37 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 42):
President's play golf; t

Correct , no issue there at all.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 42):
This is just more GOP, right-wing grandstanding, over absolutely nothng

Same thing applies to the left wing grand standing during the Bush administration response to Katrina. You guys made it sound like the President should have been down there feeding people or something ... It was a total and complete political hit job to ingratiate yourself to African American voters . So obvious so blatant ... so start counting the articles screaming about President Bush after Katrina ... Blaming him for whatever it was he was supposed to do. Man the whip just comes back across the face sometimes.

President Obama should go play golf ... who cares what is he supposed to do .. go out and start vaccinating people ? Its stupid .
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:42 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 45):
Same thing applies to the left wing grand standing during the Bush administration response to Katrina.

Actually, no it's not. The Bush Adminsitration's "handliing" of Katrina was an abysmal failure and an embarrassment to this nation. It was the same on the state an local level as well, but as the lead government entity, their failure was inexcusable.

To compare Mr. Obama golfing to Mr. Bush's failure on Katrina is, first, apples and oranges, and, secondly and more importantly, revisionist history of the worst kind-right along the GOP lines of the aura they've built for years around Ronald Reagan. In other words, the myth is impressive; the reality is much less impressive.
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:50 pm



Quoting Windy95 (Reply 43):
With an open border that allows illegals to scurry around our country...

Wow! Are you equating Mexicans with rats? Usually when the term "scurry" is used, it is in reference to rodents or cockroaches.

Quoting Windy95 (Reply 43):
Funny how the media does not talk about the threat of the illegals bringing disease across the border.

Perhaps they're not talking about it because most media correspondents are not bigots. Each day, many people cross the U.S./Mexican border legally - via airline. The media has been focusing on air travel between the two countries, which seems appropriate to me.
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:54 pm



Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 47):
Wow! Are you equating Mexicans with rats? Usually when the term "scurry" is used, it is in reference to rodents or cockroaches.

Oh please. that's a slight quantam leap in reasoning there. He clearly did not call Mexicans rats, or even suggest they are akin to rats.
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:55 pm



Quoting Windy95 (Reply 43):
Without his Telepromptor telling him what o say he sounds just as ahhh bad ahhhhh as uuhhh Booosh

I don't think he sounds bad. I think he sounds like he's thinking. I also think this is one of the more petty complaints that the knee-jerk dittoheads have brought.

Quoting Windy95 (Reply 43):
Without a leader being placed yet? No surgeon general yet?

The surgeon general does not run the CDC.

Quoting Windy95 (Reply 43):
The potential is for deaths and sickness is far more thtn 9/11.

Are you for real?

No deaths in the United States so far, and reports that the students that fell ill are already getting better. Yet you dare compare this to 9/11?

Your skills in hyperbole are impressive.
 
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RE: Obama Plays Golf While The Word Preps For Swine

Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:02 pm



Quoting Windy95 (Reply 43):
Without a leader being placed yet? No surgeon general yet?

The CDC has an acting director. That's really all that is needed at this time. I agree that 100 days it's about time these positions were filled permanently but I doubt that the acting head will butcher this situation.

Quoting Windy95 (Reply 43):
So scientist and medical personbel cannot be biased or be corrupted? Or there is no nepotism at the CDC but their is at FEMA. Care to back that up with some data.

I'm not claiming that they can't be corrupted. All I'm saying is that the decency baseline and accountability (against scientific fact) is higher.

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