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RE: Hybrid Cars, Myth Vs Reality.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:56 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 47):
Do you own one of these cars? Do you have hard data? You must not or you wouldn't be posting stuff like this.

I don't own one. I've driven them and I know people who do own them. These persons aren't too thrilled with the car (in terms of performance, handling,and quality) but they already spent the money so they're keeping it. But one of them now owns a Jetta TDI and is much more satisfied with that.

As for them not being efficient in long drives, I recall reading in magazines that in long term road tests, the MPG dropped to 30MPG or less on several occasions. IIRC they were Car & Driver and Road and Track
 
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RE: Hybrid Cars, Myth Vs Reality.

Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:14 am



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 8):
I think that most people that buy hybrids for the "green" thing don't really stop to think about that kind of thing. I love when I see the electric buses in San Francisco that say "zero emission vehicle". That means nothing because sure the bus puts out no emissions, but the electricity used to make it run sure does.

Actually, much of the electricity used to power the trolley buses and trolley cars operated by San Francisco Municipal Railway is produced by hydroelectric plants at Hetch Hetchy. They may not be zero emission, but they're a lot cleaner and greener than any internal combustion powered vehicle.
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RE: Hybrid Cars, Myth Vs Reality.

Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:19 pm



Quoting PlaneWasted (Reply 41):
Why don't someone make a diesel hybrid?

PSA Citroen is currently dong trials on their diesel hybrid engine at the moment.
I'm waiting for the rollout of this diesel hybrid to go on sale.
http://www.citroen.co.uk/microsite/environment/tomorrow

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RE: Hybrid Cars, Myth Vs Reality.

Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:51 am



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 50):

As for them not being efficient in long drives, I recall reading in magazines that in long term road tests, the MPG dropped to 30MPG or less on several occasions. IIRC they were Car & Driver and Road and Track

Read all the magazines you like. I owned the '09. Yes, it handled like a brick and had the "permanent engine braking" feel. It also got about 28-30MPG in San Francisco, which is a gas mileage black hole due to all the hills and the inability to travel more than 100 feet at a time without having to come to a full stop.

I now have the '10. It handles completely differently. Took it today up to Tomales Bay and drove back on the 1 and it handled like a dream. Press the "power" button and you get outstanding performance. Press the "Eco" button and it accelerates like a cinder block, but gets outstanding mileage. I'll average almost 60 MPG on the freeway with this car. It also has an "electric vehicle" mode in which you force the engine to shut off and can drive up to a half mile slower than 25MPH. Great for parking garages. It also gets about 40 MPG in San Francisco, which is very impressive.
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RE: Hybrid Cars, Myth Vs Reality.

Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:32 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 53):
It also gets about 40 MPG in San Francisco, which is very impressive.

That is Impressive! SF is the ultimate city driving experience in the US. All those hills, stoplights, traffic, horrible parking, the list goes on and on. Only Pittsburgh can rival SF for a major US city with so many hills. Pittsburgh still has cobble stone streets in some parts of town and that is killer on the suspension.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 53):
It also has an "electric vehicle" mode in which you force the engine to shut off and can drive up to a half mile slower than 25MPH. Great for parking garages.

That is neat!
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RE: Hybrid Cars, Myth Vs Reality.

Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:36 am



Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 40):
Japanese products are notorious for getting much BETTER than what they are rated at - even after the new ratings procedures were used in 2008!

They should exceed their ratings even more easily after 2008, because the 2008 rating system is more harsh. So, it is easier to exceed the 2008 numbers in real life.


Yes, on a reasonable highway you should be able to beat the EPA ratings by 10-20%. Cruising at 60 MPH in a modern car will give you excellent mileage. 85 mph should still allow you to match the EPA rating.

Since SUVs are more drag inducing, they will get way worse than their rated MPG if you are going 75+ mph. But the EPA does not test at such speeds.

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