Quoting D L X (Reply 49): careful with the quotes. I did not write that |
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19): It's a half-assed attempt to defame someone, a childish prank. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 27): Palin can deliver a speech with enthusiasm and conviction every bit as well as President Obama given the same tools. |
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 35): So part of Palin's charm is that she can't deliver a proper speech? Hell, I suppose it worked for Bush... |
Quoting DXing (Reply 43): Factually she is correct. She does not say that Alaska was purchased during Lincolns administration, only that Seward was in Lincoln's cabinet, which he was. |
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 46): The VF article presents both the original and the corrected version. |
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 46): No, he doesn't. The editor correctly observed that one does not come on a place, one comes to a place - Palin used the wrong preposition. The action of coming was not performed on the shore of Lake Lucille, it was performed in the direction of the shores of Lake Lucille. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 47): Come on man, that's a weasily answer. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 47): "Of course not the actual speech, just what they could transcribe off of a video." So, are you denying that the transcription was not her actual speech? |
Quoting D L X (Reply 47): Absolutely untrue. Those are your words, not mine. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 47): DXing, that is provably false. I mean, do a quick search on this forum for "all the times the left has mocked Jindal" |
Quoting D L X (Reply 47): DXing, your non-answer shows you completely missed the point of the question. Do you honestly not see a difference between how people attack Palin versus how people attack Romney and the others? |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 48): He is retiring, not quitting. BTW, do you know for a fact that he is not ill? |
Quoting D L X (Reply 49): careful with the quotes. I did not write that. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 52): You have no proof, anymore than I do, that she did not ad lib on the fly from what was written on the paper before her. So the speech that she spoke is the transcription that the editor of VF had to work with. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 52): The left revels in mocking the right as being stupid. Witness comments like President Obama's "And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," |
Quoting DXing (Reply 52): Speaker Pelosi make in claiming that "immigration laws are un-American". |
Quoting DXing (Reply 52): If you are going to try and defend the notion that left continually tries to portray anyone on the right as stupid I can throw down the quotes to prove you wrong all day long. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 52): So let me get this straight....this forum is the definitive answer as to whether Gov. Jindal gets mocked on the national stage? |
Quoting DXing (Reply 52): Quoting D L X (Reply 47): DXing, your non-answer shows you completely missed the point of the question. Do you honestly not see a difference between how people attack Palin versus how people attack Romney and the others? Nope, they all get the personal attack on different levels. |
Quoting Arrow (Reply 51): Didn't she say she could see Russia from Alaska? Certainly not from Wasilla. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 52): A check of the video, linked in reply 23, shows that she turns and looks briefly at the lake when she says "This is a source of inspiration....". |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6): Which is why you can see what an under educated person she is. |
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19): It's a half-assed attempt to defame someone, a childish prank. How would YOU feel if the same thing was done to your Obama guy? Hmmm??? |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2): Dow Ends The Day At 14,000 (by GuitrThree Jul 20 2007 in Non Aviation) Oh and note the date of the above thread! It has been where since 20 Jan. 2009? |
Quoting Greaser (Reply 60): We can both agree there is no hard evidence on both sides that the document in question is either real or madeup. |
Quoting Arrow (Reply 51): Give me a break. |
Quoting Arrow (Reply 51): Nice try. If the governor of Alaska is unclear about the US acquisition of the territory, i.e. under whose administration did it take place, she has no business being in the office. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 53): That wasn't a comment about The Right, it was a comment about Pennsylvanians as a whole, democratic and republican. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 53): How does that deal with intelligence? |
Quoting D L X (Reply 53): There's little denying that. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 53): Show me some examples of events that happened to Jindal that led to mockery from the left. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 53): and this will be your first ever chance to prove me wrong!! j/k |
Quoting D L X (Reply 53): Come on, man to man. You REALLY think Romney and Huckabee get the same amount of ridicule as Palin? |
Quoting Mir (Reply 56): She's looking at the people to her right. The lake is behind her. And she didn't make the brief pause that everyone does when you make an off-topic observation. |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 57): He is retiring, Sarah quit. Got it? |
Quoting DXing (Reply 63): Again, please demonstrate where in the speech she says that Alaska was aquired during the Lincoln administration that Secretary Steward was a part of. Of course she mentions Lincon, the GOP does not identify itself as the party of Johnson. Please leave the puns out of the thread. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 32): By either re-ordering or completely changing words and sentence stucture he turned the speech from a populist one into a New York snob speech |
Quoting DXing (Reply 34): Using east coast leftism to try and insert catchwords and delete the populist tone that she uses. |
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 37): Nuff said. But it was still childish and juvenile on Vanity Fair's part. |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): Like VF is so popular, and creditable it has a very wide cirulation base? |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): I like Palin, I like her looks, I like her freshness, and I like her position on real issues. I do defend her, but not really so much because the left digs up the weidest things, like the VF artical to attack her. |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): I don't like Obama, I don't like his positions on issues, and I don't like him driving my country into banruptcy. If you were an American you would understand, my Canadian friend. |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): If she is a lost cause, why would she make a good fundraiser for Romney or Huckabee? |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): By 2012, with Obama (King Barack 1), Pelosi (the Princess), and Reid (the village Idiot) running things, no one will ever want to admit they were democrats. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 43): Yes. Whenever he steps onto the national stage he gets mocked. |
Quoting Arrow (Reply 51): Vanity Fair's attempt to give her speech some credibility is a cheap shot, frankly. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 52): The left revels in mocking the right as being stupid. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 55): All jokes said about Sarah Palin are in poor taste. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 63): He quit a lifetime appointment, he violated every rule you accused Palin of violating. You can call it semantics all you want but you laid down the ground rules with Palin so you can't go back and change them now. |
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 64): However, Seward was not a member of Lincoln's cabinet when he saw Alaska's great whatever, so that statement is incorrect. Either it should read "a member of President Andrew Johnson's cabinet," which was Seward's position at the time, or "a former member of Lincoln's cabinet," which would also accurately describe Seward. |
Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 65): Wait a minute: maybe her supporters think that the following equasion is necessary for a populist to win.... "populist" = "idiot" |
Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 65): Sorry. Elite East Coasters can't help that Grammar and Spelling were invented outside of the 'Grate State of Alaaaska'. |
Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 65): Because he can communicate. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 67): Again, do you have any proof that the transcription VF is working with is the same as the speech on the paper in front of her? |
Quoting DXing (Reply 67): Keep thinking she's an idiot. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 67): curious as to how an idiot could get so far. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 67): Considering that the Russian-American telegraph line was ok'd by President Lincoln and was most likely one of the base ideas for Sewards idea to buy Alaska, how can you say with any authority he was not a member of Lincoln's cabinet when he recognized Alaska's potential? |
Quoting DXing (Reply 67): Yet there was a whole thread here about his supposed poor communication skills. |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): Why you continually try to stand up for this dolt of a politician (Palin) is beyond belief. |
Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 65): I'll post a $5.00 (USD) 'bond', if you'll do the same to the inverse, that if Sarah Palin is on the GOP ticket in 2014, the Democrats will retain the Presidency.... is that better wording? Are you game? You know, I'll have to think about it but I might even be willing, upon some more reflection, to say that if Palin is nearing a formal intention to run for President in the weeks leading up to the 2012 mid-term elections, the Dems will increase their majority in both houses. I might even go so far as to say that if she's on the ticket in 2014, the Democrats will even further increase their absolute majorities in both Houses. But I have to think about that. Ten more dollars will make me think for a while yet. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 63): Quoting D L X (Reply 53): How does that deal with intelligence? So you think that immigration laws are Un-American? |
Quoting DXing (Reply 63): No more so than Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, Dodd, Rangel, Waxman, Waters, and Biden. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 63): Jindal is a master practitioner of the "aw shucks, who me?" school of politics. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 63): But one of Jindal's job titles hasn't gotten much attention -- and it just might prompt a few questions if his Veep candidacy gains steam: Exorcist. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 63): Quoting D L X (Reply 53): Come on, man to man. You REALLY think Romney and Huckabee get the same amount of ridicule as Palin? They certainly did during the primary campaign. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 42): The purchase of Alaska from Russia was executed under President Andrew Johnson. Not Lincoln. Palin is wrong. |
Quoting Arrow (Reply 51): Quoting DXing (Reply 43): Factually she is correct. She does not say that Alaska was purchased during Lincolns administration, only that Seward was in Lincoln's cabinet, which he was. Nice try. If the governor of Alaska is unclear about the US acquisition of the territory, i.e. under whose administration did it take place, she has no business being in the office. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 42): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): I like her position on real issues. Huh? She has no issues. She tows the party line, allowing others to think for her. There are no Palin issues, except for the very liberal issue of more funding for education and developmental programs for mentally disabled children. (And then she only got that idea in response to her own child's condition.) |
Quoting Mir (Reply 45): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): It has been where since 20 Jan. 2009? Up, actually. On January 20th it was at 8279. It's now at 8853. |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 48): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): Like VF is so popular, and creditable it has a very wide cirulation base? Amongst us PROUD EASTERN ELITISTS! |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 48): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2): Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 1): Just another sign of how scared the left is about Palin Old line, doesn't work anymore, never did... As long as you are on your own personal vendeta against her....yes, it works, and always has. It seems to always get your goat. 1. No one has of yet told me why I am afraid of her and 2. Just mentioning Palin gets yours. |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 48): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): I guess you know nothington about public speaking, do you? I I've been doing so for the last 25 years, thank you. Remember.... |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 48): Quoting D L X (Reply 42): Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 36): Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 21): Quoting DXing (Reply 7): BTW can we now refer to him as Justice Quitter Souter? He's retiring. Sorry, it's a life time postion that he has only held for 19 years. He is not the oldest on the Court, he is not sick He is retiring, not quitting. BTW, do you know for a fact that he is not ill? |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 48): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): ass-u-me? |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 48): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): I like Palin, I like her looks, I like her freshness, and I like her position on real issues. What positions, oh I know: I was for the bridge to nowhere, before I was against it! |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 48): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 40): my country YOUR COUNTRY? When did it become your country. Try OUR country! |
Quoting D L X (Reply 53): Quoting DXing (Reply 52): Speaker Pelosi make in claiming that "immigration laws are un-American". How does that deal with intelligence? |
Quoting D L X (Reply 53): You REALLY think Romney and Huckabee get the same amount of ridicule as Palin? |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): When you defend the country, than you can call it yours. |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): Your profile says your max age is 45, |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): Both of you? |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): Your afraid of her running and beating BHO. |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): New York Air? |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): the failed New York Air? |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): A movement of only 574 points in six months is a flat movement. the stovk market has't gone anywhere under BHO. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 67): Sorry, but nothing she says in the speech is factually incorrect. Seward was a part of Lincolns cabinet and she does not say that he advocated the purchase of Alaska during Lincolns administration. |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 73): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): When you defend the country, than you can call it yours. Wow. That is pretty arrogant of you. |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): Just wait until all the hate press starts coming out on both in the next 2-3 years. Palin is only the first for this election cycle. |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): So, who does a better job at running their state, or the nation? |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 73): Do you even know what my occupation is? NO |
Quoting D L X (Reply 75): Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 73): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): When you defend the country, than you can call it yours. Wow. That is pretty arrogant of you. Agreed. That is a quite shameful comment, KC135TopBoom. Kind of dishonors your service |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 76): Really! It reminds me of this dude: |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): A movement of only 574 points in six months is a flat movement. the stovk market has't gone anywhere under BHO. |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 72): BTW, you do know that among Alaskians Palin had a high approval rating of 93% (June 2007), a low approval of 54% (May 2009), and her latest approval rating. 14-18 June 2009 of 56%. Her disapproval ratings among Alaskians was for a low of 0% in May 2007 to a high of 41.6% in May 2009. So, Palin has always been above a 54% approval rating by all Alaskians. Even when she was running for the VPOTUS, her approval ratings, among Alaskains was 63% and 64%. Obama or Clinton didn't enjoy those numbers when they were running for Alaska's votes. |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 66): The more you persist in this lame example the more credibility you loose. |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 68): Ask and you shall receive! |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 68): A fact is a fact DX. |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 68): Like the wrestler from MN, right? |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): At this point Seward was not part of Lincoln's cabinet, but rather Johnson's. |
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): Why you continually try to stand up for this dolt of a politician (Palin) is beyond belief. |
Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 70): Which thread? |
Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 70): The longer the GOP is knocked off message, the more certain the Democrats will increase their majority in the mid-terms AND in the 2012 Presidential. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 71): Quoting DXing (Reply 63): Quoting D L X (Reply 53): How does that deal with intelligence? So you think that immigration laws are Un-American? Where the @#$% did you get that idea? That is a strange leap, even for you. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 71): Sorry bub, they're all highly educated. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 71): That's ridicule? |
Quoting D L X (Reply 71): This is hardly widespread ridicule, |
Quoting D L X (Reply 53): Show me some examples of events that happened to Jindal that led to mockery from the left. I could be wrong (and this will be your first ever chance to prove me wrong!! j/k) but just site a couple links to something other than a discussion of his awkward response to the Obama address in January. |
Quoting D L X (Reply 71): I think you have completely mixed up the words "criticism" and "ridicule." |
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 74): The vast majority of English speakers would find the above sentences factually incorrect, but by your defense of Palin you seem to suggest that you find them acceptable. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 79): Do you think declaring that immigration laws are Un-American displays intelligence? By the Speaker of the House? |
Quoting DXing (Reply 79): Since when is education respresenative of intelligence? If so explain Bill Gates, Thomas Edision, Henry Ford, Garret Morgan, just to name a few. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 79): Quoting D L X (Reply 71): That's ridicule? Quoting D L X (Reply 71): This is hardly widespread ridicule, Not what you asked for. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 79): Romney was ridiculed mercilessly by Letterman: |
Quoting DXing (Reply 79): Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 66): The more you persist in this lame example the more credibility you loose. You set the bar, now you don't like the bar becaue it is being used in a way you don't like. Next time think about that before you set the bar. Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 68): Ask and you shall receive! Receive what? A link that I have to register to read? The paragraph they provide, after I searched for what I wanted, provided the same paragraph that VF has. That is the same transcription from the video that VF used. Want to try again? I don't believe anyone has an actual copy of the written speech, just the video transcript of her spoken words. Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 68): A fact is a fact DX. Facts seem the one thing you keep coming up in short supply of. Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 68): Like the wrestler from MN, right? Jesse Ventura? I don't recall anyone calling him an idiot. And I've got a wad of cash that says you wouldn't do it to his face. Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): At this point Seward was not part of Lincoln's cabinet, but rather Johnson's. I've already made that point several times. It does not change the fact that he was an intergral part of Lincolns administration. I would think that even you would be able to see that restoring the Union would take precedence over national expansion. That being said it does not preclude that he had that on his mind. http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/William_Seward As Secretary of State, he argued that the United States must move westward. Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 69): Why you continually try to stand up for this dolt of a politician (Palin) is beyond belief. Why you continually have to start these regular threads to try and belittle her to try and calm your fears of her is beyond many of us. |
Quoting Mir (Reply 78): Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 74): The vast majority of English speakers would find the above sentences factually incorrect, but by your defense of Palin you seem to suggest that you find them acceptable. Nice try but you have yet to answer the question of what is factually wrong with what she said nor have you been able to show that Seward did not think about expansion prior to Lincolns assassination. |
Quoting DXing (Reply 79): Why you continually have to start these regular threads to try and belittle her..... |
Quoting DXing (Reply 79): Nice try but you have yet to answer the question of what is factually wrong with what she said nor have you been able to show that Seward did not think about expansion prior to Lincolns assassination. |