Regardless of your political ideology, I think this is a celebratory moment that this country has come to an age where our highest court, as well as the entire judiciary as a whole, is looking more like the country at large.
Congratulations, JUSTICE Sotomayor.
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Congratulations indeed, may she serve long and well!!
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| Quoting D L X (Thread starter): I think this is a celebratory moment that this country has come to an age where our highest court, as well as the entire judiciary as a whole, is looking more like the country at large. |
Why ? because she is Hispanic ? or Empathetic ? Really not that ground breaking unless you are surprised that a Latino can actually make it to this level ... I am not .
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| Quoting AGM100 (Reply 3): Why ? because she is Hispanic ? or Empathetic ? Really not that ground breaking unless you are surprised that a Latino can actually make it to this level ... I am not . |
AGM, I actually empathize with your position.
(Sorry, couldn't resist the use of that word.)
Personally, I see it quite similarly to how I see the election of Obama. Does it mean that we today have changed? No. It doesn't. It's evidence that change has already occurred. And that's a good thing!
I think you would agree with me that the past has not been kind to many minority groups, and that in large part, the present shows that minorities are more integrated than ever. We're not all the way there, but we're well on our way to being the more perfect union our founders wanted us to be.
So is this confirmation groundbreaking? Yes and no: yes in that we have finally broke the ground, but no, in that it is not proof that we could not have broken ground until this moment. Yes in that a Latina has taken the stage, no in that this country was poised possibly for a long time to recognize that a Latina can make it to this level.
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I'm also not happy and think it's a sad day for the US justice system.Sotomayor is just to radical for my taste.I think she got a free ride and the same criteria was not applied as with others judges.But that's the democrats way.
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Congrats to Justice Sotomayor - hopefully she will judge fairly and not let emotion dictate her decisions.
Kudos to the Republicans voting against her for keeping the whole process civil and professional.
Kudos to the Republicans voting against her for keeping the whole process civil and professional.
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| Quoting Superfly (Reply 6): Quoting PSA53 (Reply 5): I think she got a free ride and the same criteria was not applied as with others judges.But that's the democrats way. What ever happened to that Republican 'firewall'? A third of teh Republican party went along with the Democrats so you can't put this all on the Democrats. |
True.But the writing was on the wall already before the first hearings were cast.But to have the Repubs due an all out negative media blitz on Sotomayor was simply not good politics.
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| Quoting Homer71 (Reply 7): Kudos to the Republicans voting against her for keeping the whole process civil and professional. |
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...republicans-vote-for-sotomayor.php
Here's who they are: Lamar Alexander (TN), Kit Bond (MO), Susan Collins (ME), Lindsey Graham (SC), Judd Gregg (NH), Richard Lugar (IN), Mel Martinez (FL), Olympia Snowe (ME) and George Voinovich (OH).
Worth noting, the only Latino Republican in the Senate voted in favor of Sotomayor.
So I guess the Republican lynch mob are going attack Latinos now.
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| Quoting PSA53 (Reply 8): True.But the writing was on the wall already before the first hearings were cast.But to have the Repubs due an all out negative media blitz on Sotomayor was simply not good politics. |
Keep in mind the Republicans are a irrelevant.
They are only 40% of the Senate and she could have won confirmation without a single Republican vote.
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| Quoting PSA53 (Reply 5): I'm also not happy and think it's a sad day for the US justice system.Sotomayor is just to radical for my taste.I think she got a free ride and the same criteria was not applied as with others judges.But that's the democrats way. |
In the grand scheme this is really much ado about nothing. She is going to vote exactly the way Ruth Bader would on key issues. I do congratulate her though, as much as I disagree with her views it is a huge accomplishment.
| Quoting Superfly (Reply 9): So I guess the Republican lynch mob are going attack Latinos now. |
No just people that they don't share views with. Why you making this racial?
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| Quoting D L X (Reply 4): So is this confirmation groundbreaking? Yes and no: |
I get your post DLX , it is well said.
So what of Clarance Thomas .... ? That wasn't so much of a historic event huh ? he just didn't fit the idealistic model... Did Jesse call him uncle Tom ? I forget ... but it seems I do recall that . Liberals pick and choose the historic event to maximize the credit for the minorities.
Its all good , she will do fine ...
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| Quoting WestWing (Reply 15): Thurgood Marshall got there before he did. |
My Mistake , correct . Its hard to imagine how Justice Marshall achieved what he did in such a time as he lived in. Pretty tough guy , It always amazes me too read about African Americans who achieved so much while others were living with no rights at all. How did they go to University , Become Doctors , Lawyers , Scientists and Start companies , achieve so much while other African Americans were so oppressed. What made them different..
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| Quoting D L X (Thread starter): Regardless of your political ideology, I think this is a celebratory moment that this country has come to an age where our highest court, as well as the entire judiciary as a whole, is looking more like the country at large. |
I would agree it is a moment to celebrate the order and transition, but as to the rest, since justice is supposed to be blind what the ethinic or gender make up of the court is should not be of any interest.
| Quoting Superfly (Reply 6): What ever happened to that Republican 'firewall'? A third of teh Republican party went along with the Democrats so you can't put this all on the Democrats. |
Whatever happened to the independence of democrats? They voted in lockstep.
I think it is fitting that an ex-comedian turned Senator read the vote into the record. It's a one for one exchange so no gain and no loss.
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| Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 12): I do believe the the confirmation process has reminded her to judge by the facts and not with her emotion. |
Her overall record demonstrates that she does judge by the facts and not emotions. You can argue those facts but that is what judging is all about. It is people's fears that are causing them to question if she will be a fair and straight forward jurist to sit on our Supreme Court.
| Quoting DXing (Reply 17): Whatever happened to the independence of democrats? They voted in lockstep. |
I think they felt it was a good nomination and they agreed with it. Otherwise the Republicans could be accused similarly on Roberts, since they all voted (in lockstep?) to confirm Roberts (as well as the lone Independent; the Democrats split evenly, 22 for and 22 against).
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| Quoting Tugger (Reply 18): I think they felt it was a good nomination and they agreed with it. Otherwise the Republicans could be accused similarly on Roberts, since they all voted (in lockstep?) to confirm Roberts (as well as the lone Independent; the Democrats split evenly, 22 for and 22 against). |
Agreed and that was the point I was trying to drive home.
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| Quoting Superfly (Reply 20): They all independently found her to be qualified for the job, just like 9 other Republican Senators. |
Sure they did. Of course if this had been going in the other direction the GOP would have been voting "in lockstep". As to your question about the GOP firewall, when you don't have 31 seats there is no such thing as a firewall.RE: Sotomayor Confirmed!
| Quoting DXing (Reply 21): As to your question about the GOP firewall, when you don't have 31 seats there is no such thing as a firewall. |
Well they have 40 and there is a good 10-12 conservative Democrats from southern and rural interior states that could have been persuaded to vote against. That didn't happen because she is well qualified for the job.
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| Quoting Superfly (Reply 22): Well they have 40 and there is a good 10-12 conservative Democrats from southern and rural interior states that could have been persuaded to vote against. That didn't happen because she is well qualified for the job. |
40 is not good enough and woulda coulda shoulda does not count as a vote. They voted for the Justice. If the situation were reversed the GOP would have been branded as voting in lockstep, rubberstamping, rolling over, etc. etc. as has been done so many times in the past. When the shoe is on the other foot sometimes it pinches eh?
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To whom it may concern,
We really don't care.
Signed,
95% of the USA population.
We really don't care.
Signed,
95% of the USA population.
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| Quoting DXing (Reply 23): If the situation were reversed the GOP would have been branded as voting in lockstep, rubberstamping, rolling over, etc. etc. as has been done so many times in the past. |
The GOP were in lockstep to do great harm to our nation.
The Democrats were in lockstep on this vote to confirm a very well qualified judge to the US Supreme Court.
Viva Justice Sotomayor!
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| Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 24): Shes replacing Souter you know.. |
Thanks but still Left replacing left vote.
| Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 25): To whom it may concern, We really don't care. Signed, 95% of the USA population. |
So true, what is said is that Obama only picked her so he could villify the GOP if they went against her. She is basically just a pawn on a chess board.
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| Quoting DXing (Reply 29): Nailed it! |
Yet you cared enough to participate in multiple threads about her confirmation.
| Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 28): So true, what is said is that Obama only picked her so he could villify the GOP if they went against her. She is basically just a pawn on a chess board. |
Kinda like Papa Bush used Clarence Thomas for the same reason.
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| Quoting Superfly (Reply 6): What ever happened to that Republican 'firewall'? A third of teh Republican party went along with the Democrats so you can't put this all on the Democrats. |
I think a lot of Republicans were walking on thin ice because of the make-up of their voters.
| Quoting Superfly (Reply 9): Here's who they are: Lamar Alexander (TN), Kit Bond (MO), Susan Collins (ME), Lindsey Graham (SC), Judd Gregg (NH), Richard Lugar (IN), Mel Martinez (FL), Olympia Snowe (ME) and George Voinovich (OH). |
And, of these the most impressive is Lindsey Graham. A lot of people in this country were looking at him for guidance because of the level of respect he brings.
Personally I am happy, but believe that she may surprise some people from time to time. I like the idea of having 3 strong conservatives, 3 strong liberals - giving us 6 who will present arguments with vigor. Then lets have 3 with strong common sense as well as a mastery of the law who will swing decisions the way this country needs them to go.
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| Quoting Superfly (Reply 30): Yet you cared enough to participate in multiple threads about her confirmation. |
Did I say I was part of the 95%?
| Quoting Ken777 (Reply 31): And, of these the most impressive is Lindsey Graham. |
He consistantly said that unless she had a complete meltdown during the judicial hearings he would be voting for her so it was pretty much a given. Alexander surprised me, Vonovich did not. He was a very good Mayor, an ok Governor, but he has just been a huge disappointment as a Senator when it comes to conservative fiscal positions.
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Not surprising on a near-party line vote.
But the damage to this country and the USSC could be much worse. She at least is replacing another left wing nut, rather then somebody like Thomas and Souter who actually are good jurists.
I just hope Mark Begich gets kicked out of the machine gun club for his vote.
But the damage to this country and the USSC could be much worse. She at least is replacing another left wing nut, rather then somebody like Thomas and Souter who actually are good jurists.
I just hope Mark Begich gets kicked out of the machine gun club for his vote.
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| Quoting D L X (Thread starter): |
I am Hispanic and I am definetley not happy having her as a justice. For her to vote for the city and against the firefighters who deserved the higher ranking after doing well on the test is not someone I want on the bench of the supreme court. Thankfully she is replacing someone who voted the same way she did.
Hopefully the US will be able to survive the next few years under these crazy democrats and hopefully the America people will wake up in 2010 and take out some of the democrats that are controlling the House and Senate because they are to blame for the economic crisis we are in now and our new HUGE deficit.
Change sure is great huh?
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| Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 35): For her to vote for the city and against the firefighters who deserved the higher ranking after doing well on the test is not someone I want on the bench of the supreme court. |
She is a Liberal ... that is clear. But it remains to be seen how she will rule on things. Look , the President gets to pick , that's just the way it is.
What I don't like is all this historic BS ... its racist. Hispanics make up somewhere around 20 pct of the population I believe , its not a surprise that one has not been on the SC . Its a matter of numbers I guess. They try to make it like whitey has been blocking Hispanics all these years from making it on the court... how many have even been considered I wonder. See the libs are total hyperplexed about race .. i don't get it.
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| Quoting AGM100 (Reply 37): What I don't like is all this historic BS ... its racist. |
No, it's factual. She is the first Latina SC Justice in history.
| Quoting AGM100 (Reply 37): Hispanics make up somewhere around 20 pct of the population I believe , its not a surprise that one has not been on the SC . Its a matter of numbers I guess. |
Closer to 15 percent, but you're missing the point. Don't look at Sotomayor as one Latina out of 9 justices, but as one Latina out of 111 justices throughout American history - clearly, her demographic has been underrepresented. Her appointment is a sign that we are overcoming the inequalities that led to that underrepresentation.
| Quoting AGM100 (Reply 37): They try to make it like whitey has been blocking Hispanics all these years from making it on the court... how many have even been considered I wonder. |
That's kind of the point. They weren't considered because they were being blocked, sometimes overtly, more often due to underlying social inequality.
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| Quoting AGM100 (Reply 37): What I don't like is all this historic BS ... its racist. Hispanics make up somewhere around 20 pct of the population I believe , its not a surprise that one has not been on the SC . Its a matter of numbers I guess. |
You're missing the point entirely. Puerto Ricans were banned from apartments owned by white NYC landlords routinely for years following WWII...Latinos had their houses and property confiscated by white police in Los Angeles for all manner of minor infractions - not to mention the building of baseball stadiums. Much of my maternal grandfather's time in the USN during the Korean War consisted of comments from white officers like 'where you from Garcia? You're too white to be a taco vendor!'. The racist La Raza movement fomented as a response to racist policies in the California and Arizona state legislatures well into the 1970s.
It's historic because with the negative precedent set in years past, both Latinos and whites have moved past that sordid history to where things are now. Better than before by a mile.
All that said, I don't really care for Sotomayor personally, but I wish her success on the Court.
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Congratulations for Sotomayor and all latinos living in the US. I hope she judges by her sensible emotion! As I would! Let the haters fall by the wayside!
Unfortunately since judges are no more than normal human being with a bit of training, race will come into it every time.
And while that may be true, it is sad. Americans should care who makes the decisions in their country. Sad.
Crazy, jajajjajajaja. What is crazy? You are misinformed if you think the Democrats (or the Republicans) are responsible for either the economic crisis or the current budget deficit. Neither party is responsible for the economic stimulus being required to lessen effects of the recession.
"Whitey" has not been blocking anything, yet this is still the first Hispanic justice so it is to be celebrated. Is it that hard to understand? No one is perplexed about race here.
| Quoting DXing (Reply 17): since justice is supposed to be blind what the ethinic or gender make up of the court is should not be of any interest |
Unfortunately since judges are no more than normal human being with a bit of training, race will come into it every time.
| Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 25): To whom it may concern, We really don't care. Signed, 95% of the USA population. |
And while that may be true, it is sad. Americans should care who makes the decisions in their country. Sad.
| Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 35): Hopefully the US will be able to survive the next few years under these crazy democrats and hopefully the America people will wake up in 2010 and take out some of the democrats that are controlling the House and Senate because they are to blame for the economic crisis we are in now and our new HUGE deficit. Change sure is great huh? |
Crazy, jajajjajajaja. What is crazy? You are misinformed if you think the Democrats (or the Republicans) are responsible for either the economic crisis or the current budget deficit. Neither party is responsible for the economic stimulus being required to lessen effects of the recession.
| Quoting AGM100 (Reply 37): They try to make it like whitey has been blocking Hispanics all these years from making it on the court... how many have even been considered I wonder. See the libs are total hyperplexed about race .. i don't get it. |
"Whitey" has not been blocking anything, yet this is still the first Hispanic justice so it is to be celebrated. Is it that hard to understand? No one is perplexed about race here.
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| Quoting DXing (Reply 33): He consistantly said that unless she had a complete meltdown during the judicial hearings he would be voting for her |
No, he said that barring a meltdown, she would be confirmed. That wasn't saying from the outset that he would vote for her. He made that decision after considerable investigation and deliberation. Give one of your own some credit, for heaven's sake!
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| Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 35): For her to vote for the city and against the firefighters who deserved the higher ranking after doing well on the test is not someone I want on the bench of the supreme court. |
I think you have bought the Republican propaganda on this case. You can disagree with the law (which is a very reasonable position), but you can't disagree that the case at the Second Circuit followed the law. It was not a constitutional case, but rather a statutory case. The Supreme Court has since changed the law.
| Quoting AGM100 (Reply 37): She is a Liberal ... that is clear. |
Actually, there are some *real* problems labeling judges liberal versus conservative. Judicial ideology is a very different animal from political ideology. There are some issues (such as the constitutionality of police interrogation tactics) where Sotomayor would be labeled very conservative in a political ideological way, and believe it or not, Scalia becomes one of the most liberal justices. So, let's just be careful throwing that word around. It isn't exactly appropriate.
| Quoting Ken777 (Reply 31): Quoting Superfly (Reply 9): Here's who they are: Lamar Alexander (TN), Kit Bond (MO), Susan Collins (ME), Lindsey Graham (SC), Judd Gregg (NH), Richard Lugar (IN), Mel Martinez (FL), Olympia Snowe (ME) and George Voinovich (OH). And, of these the most impressive is Lindsey Graham. A lot of people in this country were looking at him for guidance because of the level of respect he brings. |
What I find most interesting is just how many Republicans voted for her twice before: once when she was appointed to the District Court, and again when she was elevated to the Court of Appeals, but for whatever (political) reason decided that they were wrong before, and should vote against her now.
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| Quoting D L X (Reply 42): What I find most interesting is just how many Republicans voted for her twice before: once when she was appointed to the District Court, and again when she was elevated to the Court of Appeals, but for whatever (political) reason decided that they were wrong before, and should vote against her now. |
I guess the Republicans were for her before they were against her.
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