Nancy Pelosi: Should She Stay Or Go?

fxramper · Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:25 am

Seems like everytime you turn around Pelosi has her hand in the cookie jar and is firing off some ludacris statement to try and cover up another mess. She is hurting her team's chances of retaining seats in Congress. She's doing her best to lay the foundation for another election a la 1994. Trent Lott anyone? I think she is affecting Obama's polls negatively.

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Yellowstone · Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:16 am

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Seems like everytime you turn around Pelosi has her hand in the cookie jar and is firing off some ludacris statement to try and cover up another mess. She is hurting her team's chances of retaining seats in Congress. She's doing her best to lay the foundation for another election a la 1994. Trent Lott anyone? I think she is affecting Obama's polls negatively.

First of all, the word is spelled "ludicrous." "Ludacris" is the rapper. And while Pelosi certainly has room to improve, I think the main reason for the negativity directed at her is her visibility. Because the House is so big, it's hard to cast the entire group as the enemy--singling out Pelosi as the target of one's anger makes it much easier. At the end of the day, her job is to deliver 218 votes for the legislation Obama supports, and as long as she does that I don't have much objection to her.

Harry Reid, on the other hand, needs to either grow a spine or step down as Majority Leader.

ltbewr · Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:53 am

This will be a decision of the voters in their district. Congressmembers rarely lose re-elections unless they get caught doing something really wrong. She is in a very liberal and therefore 'safe' district. Perhaps the Demos in Congress needs to choose someone from a more moderate district to be their leader, someone more careful in their choice of words so thay can't be taken out of context by opponents, who isn't rich, who will encourage going after the criminal acts of the GWB Administration, and related issues.

us330 · Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:04 pm

I personally think she should go. I doubt that the voters of California (the ones whose opinions actually matter on this issue), however, agree with me.

Then again, I also think that the vast majority of Congressmen should be replaced, and while most of America seems to agree with that sentiment (seeing as how low the Congress' approval rating is), the reality is that most are satisfied with the job that their personal representative is doing, which means that we are effectively stuck with this group for the foreseeable future.

GQfluffy · Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:30 pm

Heh...total tongue in cheek here....but I don't think SFO would take her back...so we're stuck with her. Big grin

sw733 · Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:56 pm

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
ludacris

I believe he prefers Chris "Ludacris" Bridges duck

fxramper · Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:14 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 5):
I believe he prefers Chris "Ludacris" Bridges

Haha! It was 4am and I was reading another episode of Pelosigate when I posted.

bigthumbsup

Maybe when they drum her out of the Senate, she'll move to KC and run for governor!

duck

dxing · Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:51 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
She is in a very liberal and therefore 'safe' district.

And she knows it. And she doesn't care what you think.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090727/pl_politico/25445

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is one of the most despised political figures in the country.
And, frankly, she doesn’t give a damn.
“No, I don’t care,” Pelosi told POLITICO last Thursday, laughing heartily as she walked beneath the Capitol dome and plunged into a crowd of tourists.
Mention of the “trust” question halted the click-clack of Pelosi’s heels against Rotunda marble, and she turned to face the reporter who posed the question.
“I don’t know about ‘trust’ — I think I’m trusted,” she said.
“I certainly want to be trusted. I’m not particularly concerned if I’m liked.” "

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
who will encourage going after the criminal acts of the GWB Administration, and related issues.

Every poll taken has shown that to be a non starter and most politicians know that. This is the democratic party that ran on ending funding for the Iraq and then turned around and funded it so good luck with that.

As long as she watches her back and keeps her cronies happy, she stays.

AeroWesty · Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:57 pm

Stay. She's hot.

Signed,
Superfly

stirthepot

D L X · Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:07 pm

Is this question any different from asking whether any other congressman from a district not your own should stay or go? Should Boener stay or go? Should Barney Frank stay or go? If the metric were "do I personally like him or her" then that would be one thing. You would actually be able to give an answer to that question. But it's not - the only ones that can determine if Pelosi stays or goes are the people of San Francisco.

Besides: we all know that she's only hated out of jealousy. stirthepot

AeroWesty · Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:14 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 9):
the only ones that can determine if Pelosi stays or goes are the people of San Francisco.

It seems as if the linked article suggests that Pelosi should "step down", in context of her role as Speaker of the House. In that case it would be the party members who would decide her fate.

D L X · Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:48 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
It seems as if the linked article suggests that Pelosi should "step down", in context of her role as Speaker of the House. In that case it would be the party members who would decide her fate.

Well that would be pointless. These people that hate her don't hate *her* per se, they hate the person that is the Democrat Speaker of the House, and the Democrat Majority Leader. Whoever that person is or becomes, those that are filled with hate will find him or her vile because of exactly one reason: he or she is a Democrat, and to them, Democrats, especially those with high power, are evil.

Ask one of them to detail exactly what it is about them they hate, and you'll just hear a bunch of labels. "Liberal." "Socialist." "Leftie." Most people do not have any substantive criticisms; they merely parrot those talking points issued by their leaders, Rush, Hannity, etc.

(And this comes from someone who does not like Pelosi one bit!)

AeroWesty · Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:01 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
Ask one of them to detail exactly what it is about them they hate, and you'll just hear a bunch of labels. "Liberal." "Socialist." "Leftie." Most people do not have any substantive criticisms; they merely parrot those talking points issued by their leaders, Rush, Hannity, etc.

This is entirely out of context to the linked article, penned by a self-described "Libertarian". Nowhere in the article is there a message of "hate" whatsoever, simply an argument regarding what the author perceived as an act of "hustling" on the part of Pelosi regarding the health care debate. The author ribs members of all parties, not Democrats specifically. She was even quite complementary towards the President in her opening paragraph, and says she continues to support him.

I didn't see anywhere in the article where the Obama-voting Libertarian randomly labeled Democrats, as you claim, as "Liberal", "Socialist", or "Leftie"? (We are discussing the premise of the article, are we not? I'll be back this evening to find out or not.)

Dreadnought · Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:02 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
These people that hate her don't hate *her* per se, they hate the person that is the Democrat Speaker of the House, and the Democrat Majority Leader

Oh, crap. I despise Pelosi. I did not despise Tom Foley, Tip O'Niell, or Jim Wright (I really didn't like Wright, but nowhere near my dislike for Pelosi).

As much as you would like to paint me as a radical rightwinger who hates all democrats, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don't.

But Nancy Pelosi is an exception, along with Barney Frank. I hate them because of their outrageous lies, distortions, obfuscations and self-serving BS that they could never get away with if it weren't for their being based in districts that are 90% democrat - as long as they show up, they'll get reelected. This is why term limits is a good idea.

NIKV69 · Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:09 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Stay. She's hot.

But Larry she isn't chubby! I have to admit even though I think she is evil, far left and nuts she is kind of hot. In fact I wouldn't mind throwing Boxer a shag either but they all have to leave politics. Take Reid with them!

dxing · Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:16 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Oh, crap. I despise Pelosi. I did not despise Tom Foley, Tip O'Niell, or Jim Wright (I really didn't like Wright, but nowhere near my dislike for Pelosi).

As much as you would like to paint me as a radical rightwinger who hates all democrats, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don't

Have to agree with that statement. There just aren't any great statesmen in Congress anymore.

Revelation · Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:17 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
Because the House is so big, it's hard to cast the entire group as the enemy--singling out Pelosi as the target of one's anger makes it much easier.

Yes, it reminds me of how Newt Gingrich represented everything evil about Congress during his reign. I also recall a lot of attention focused on Tip O'Neil but it wasn't as vociferous as the venom we see spewed at Pelosi.

I suppose it's a sign that Obama is so popular that they can't take shots at him, so they use Pelosi as a proxy.

MaverickM11 · Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:43 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
These people that hate her don't hate *her* per se, they hate the person that is the Democrat Speaker of the House,

No, I depise her--actually her. She is all that is wrong with politics and a truly poisonous succubus.

FlyDeltaJets87 · Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:49 pm

David Faharety gave his opinion on what to do with Pelosi. rotfl

LAXintl · Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:51 pm

Well I certainly wont vote for her, but in leftist leaning state like California I'm not sure how much my vote matters.

Mir · Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:00 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
At the end of the day, her job is to deliver 218 votes for the legislation Obama supports, and as long as she does that I don't have much objection to her.

But she's not doing that job. She's writing legislation and expecting Obama to sign it, regardless of whether it's really what he's proposing or not. That doesn't help him, and it doesn't help the Democrats.

Yes, she needs to go.

-Mir

seb146 · Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:07 pm

I don't even need to read this thread. In fact, I have not. I can tell you EXACTLY what everyone will say. Anyone who is a staunch FOX news/Rush Limbaugh/Hannity/O'Reilly supporter will say "Yes, she needs to go because she is evil and the devil encarnate because she is a socialist and an elitist." Everyone else will have varying opinions from "I don't care for her policies" to "keep her forever and ever." Those people will be shouted down as elitists and socialists and the devil encarnate by FOX watchers.

Do I thinks she should stay? As an elitist, socialist, and devil encarnate, I don't care one way or the other. As a speech giver, I don't think her voice is all that effective. Listening to her on the radio, she sounds okay. But, just okay. The words of her (or anyone else from the Democratic party) will be twisted around to fit whatever the right wants to be said. They will define what "is" is and what "the" is until no one wants to debate anymore until the right is in power again left to try to bloat the government and spend with no regard for anyone or anything. Should she stay? IMO, it matters not to me. I can take or leave her. But, I know exactly what will happen.

kc135topboom · Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:13 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
while Pelosi certainly has room to improve, I think the main reason for the negativity directed at her is her visibility. Because the House is so big, it's hard to cast the entire group as the enemy--singling out Pelosi as the target of one's anger makes it much easier. At the end of the day, her job is to deliver 218 votes for the legislation Obama supports, and as long as she does that I don't have much objection to her.

Partly correct. She loves being in from of a camera. Pelosi is only one of many Congresspeople that have the country so upset with Congress, Barney Frank is another, so is Murther. Her biggest problem is her mouth, and the lies that come out of it, and the insults of the American people. But repubs also have some on the list. This is not a unique problem with the dems.

The 2010 election will return Pelosi to Congress. depending on if it is a repub house or a dem house is another thing. Even I think the dems will not reelect her as Speaker.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
Harry Reid, on the other hand, needs to either grow a spine or step down as Majority Leader.

I agree, he is dull, boring, a lier, and inept.

Quoting Us330 (Reply 3):
I personally think she should go. I doubt that the voters of California (the ones whose opinions actually matter on this issue), however, agree with me.

Correct

Quoting Us330 (Reply 3):
I also think that the vast majority of Congressmen should be replaced

I agree.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
She's hot.

Now I have heard it all. You need to get new glasses, my friend.

D L X · Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:02 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
This is entirely out of context to the linked article, penned by a self-described "Libertarian".

So is this whole thread as the article is only tertiarily about Pelosi.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
Nowhere in the article is there a message of "hate" whatsoever, simply an argument regarding what the author perceived as an act of "hustling" on the part of Pelosi regarding the health care debate.

Again, this thread has taken a completely different tack from the article from the start since it did not talk about Pelosi much at all. Why is it that people hang on her every word then turn it into a source of anger? Because people hate Pelosi. My comment stands.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
I didn't see anywhere in the article where the Obama-voting Libertarian randomly labeled Democrats, as you claim, as "Liberal", "Socialist", or "Leftie"?

And I wasn't talking about Democrats writ large either.

BTW, I thought you had a lifetime ban or something. Welcome back.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
As much as you would like to paint me as a radical rightwinger who hates all democrats

Oh come now. I've disagreed with you frequently, but I've never called you a radical, have I?

I'm sorry if you folks feel I painted with too broad a brush. I do not mean to say that everyone conservative hates Pelosi, or even that everyone conservative that hates Pelosi hates her for reasons they cannot explain. But I do feel that a large proportion of the people who have an emotional, gutteral dislike for Pelosi cannot substantiate why they hate her.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 16):
I suppose it's a sign that Obama is so popular that they can't take shots at him, so they use Pelosi as a proxy.

Very true.

Quoting DXing (Reply 15):
There just aren't any great statesmen in Congress anymore.

I think Sestak has a chance, but he's about to get crushed in the Senate race. Otherwise, I agree. All demogogues.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
But Nancy Pelosi is an exception, along with Barney Frank. I hate them because of their outrageous lies, distortions, obfuscations and self-serving BS that they could never get away with if it weren't for their being based in districts that are 90% democrat - as long as they show up, they'll get reelected.

I agree. But I don't agree with your term limits idea. That's a sure-fire way to destroy institutional memory, and rid ourselves of the actual good men and women that may occasionally show up.

But using term limits to rid ourselves of Michele Bachmann would be great!

dxing · Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:12 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 23):
I think Sestak has a chance,

I think Moynihan, and Rayburn in the past 50 years.

Quoting D L X (Reply 23):
Otherwise, I agree. All demogogues.

People are going to start talking if you don't stop that. wink

AirframeAS · Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:17 pm

Can't stand the woman and her lies.... and her smile while she lies... my god....

I say she's gotta go. I hope the folks who voted her in the senate does not vote for her again in the next election.

cws818 · Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:23 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 25):
I hope the folks who voted her in the senate does not vote for her again in the next election.

She is not in the Senate. She is the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Superfly · Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:34 pm

Quoting Us330 (Reply 3):
I doubt that the voters of California (the ones whose opinions actually matter on this issue)

Which would be me. wave

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is my Congresswoman and I am proud that she represents my district and I will continue to support her.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Stay. She's hot.

Signed,
Superfly

YUCK!
She is waaaaaaaaaaay too old! yuck

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
I wouldn't mind throwing Boxer a shag either

Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! vomit

You do realize that she is 68 years old, right?
I can't for the life of me wrap my head around the idea of granny-gashing!

I much rather see Pelosi and Boxer as the great political leaders that they are.

dragon6172 · Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:37 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
At the end of the day, her job is to deliver 218 votes for the legislation Obama supports

Way to make her sound like the Presidents legislative bitch.

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 6):
Maybe when they drum her out of the Senate

Is it still 4am? She is not in the Senate.

Superfly · Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:00 pm

Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 28):
Way to make her sound like the Presidents legislative bitch.

Totally unnecessary name calling. You may want to read up on what the job of the House Speaker is.

dvk · Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:25 pm

Pelosi is certainly no worse than John Boehner or Mitch McConnell. Those two blowhards distort the facts in a blatantly partisan manner every chance they get. The only difference is that Boehner yells and McConnell mumbles.

D L X · Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:55 pm

Quoting Dvk (Reply 30):
Pelosi is certainly no worse than John Boehner or Mitch McConnell. Those two blowhards distort the facts in a blatantly partisan manner every chance they get. The only difference is that Boehner yells and McConnell mumbles.

At least Boehner makes me laugh. He is a funny man.

HOOB747 · Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:28 pm

I can't lie. I hope she stays. There is something oddly attractive about her. I realize she is closer to 70 than 60, but hey, no pain, no gain, right?

Carlisle · Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:54 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
YUCK!
She is waaaaaaaaaaay too old!

Hey some people have an appetite for those older/evil types. Sometimes the older/evil types are more hot. Personally, I am not into that but anything can happen in this world. Wink

PHLBOS · Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:53 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 23):
I think Sestak has a chance, but he's about to get crushed in the Senate race.

Don't be so sure of that; not all PA Democrats necessarily support Senator Specter. With Rep. Sestak officially running now, the 2010 Democratic primary may not be a cakewalk for Specter.

Back to Speaker Pelosi:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 22):
The 2010 election will return Pelosi to Congress. depending on if it is a repub house or a dem house is another thing.

And THAT'S the key right there. Although Speaker Pelosi's fate on the legislative bench is ultimately in the hands of voters in her district; the one sure way to prevent her from keeping the Speaker's gavel beyond 2010 would be for voters OUTSIDE her district to vote in a GOP majority. If that were to happen and if she were still re-elected; the best she could hope for would be the post of House Minority Leader, aposition she held prior to the 2006 elections.

One thing to keep in mind that back in 1994, not only did the GOP obtain a majority in the House for the first time in decades; then-Speaker Tom Foley was also voted out of his district that same year. Similar could happen to Speaker Pelosi if she keeps burning bridges so to speak.

DocLightning · Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:10 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):

Oh, crap. I despise Pelosi.

Wanna know a huge shocker? I'm not a huge fan, either.

And NOBODY would acuse me of being:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
a radical rightwinger who hates all democrats,

Ms. Pelosi keeps saying and doing the DUMBEST things. I mean, it's not liberal or conservative or anything, but just...stupid. And sometimes, the stupidity blunders into unethical. I mean, she's really pretty bad.

You with me, Dreadnought?

dragon6172 · Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:44 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 29):
Totally unnecessary name calling. You may want to read up on what the job of the House Speaker is.

According to official site for the Speaker of the House....

Quote:
As specified in the rules and customs of the House, responsibilities of the Speaker include:

•Calling the House to order.

•Administering the oath of office to House Members.

•Presiding over debate, recognizing Members to speak on the floor, and preserving order; or delegating that power to another Member of Congress.

•Setting the legislative agenda.

•Leading the appointment process for the chairs of the various committees and subcommittees in the House, including conference committees which negotiate final versions of legislation.

I suppose the last two could be twisted to mean...

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
her job is to deliver 218 votes for the legislation Obama supports

but I think that is a stretch.
My point was her job is to run the House of Representatives, not just get the Presidents legislation passed. In fact, if that is all she did, then there would be a problem with the whole check and balance our government is supposed to have.

Superfly · Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:48 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
Similar could happen to Speaker Pelosi if she keeps burning bridges so to speak.

Ain't gonna happen. Her district is very safe.
Even if we don't agree with her on some things, most here are happy that we have a representative excel to the House Speaker position. For the most part, the SF Bay Area has always been left out of the positions of power in Washington.
Also, you should see the people that have attempted to run against her. They are truly mental cases. Mostly nuts from the Green Party, Peace & Freedom, Socialist and the occasional Republican nut. The last Republican that ran against her promised to not represent our district in Congress. Wow!

How stupid is that?

Thomas Foley represented a conservative district in eastern Washington.

Quoting Carlisle (Reply 33):
Hey some people have an appetite for those older/evil types. Sometimes the older/evil types are more hot.

[Edited 2009-08-12 19:25:17]

[Edited 2009-08-12 19:26:02]

[Edited 2009-08-12 19:26:43]

NIKV69 · Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:02 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You do realize that she is 68 years old, right?
I can't for the life of me wrap my head around the idea of granny-gashing

My Lord you like overeweight chubs and discriminate against older women? Your nuts! I didn't think Boxer was that old but she is an attractive professional woman.

galapagapop · Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:04 am

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 21):
I don't even need to read this thread. In fact, I have not. I can tell you EXACTLY what everyone will say. Anyone who is a staunch FOX news/Rush Limbaugh/Hannity/O'Reilly supporter will say "Yes, she needs to go because she is evil and the devil encarnate because she is a socialist and an elitist." Everyone else will have varying opinions from "I don't care for her policies" to "keep her forever and ever." Those people will be shouted down as elitists and socialists and the devil encarnate by FOX watchers.

Do I thinks she should stay? As an elitist, socialist, and devil encarnate, I don't care one way or the other. As a speech giver, I don't think her voice is all that effective. Listening to her on the radio, she sounds okay. But, just okay. The words of her (or anyone else from the Democratic party) will be twisted around to fit whatever the right wants to be said. They will define what "is" is and what "the" is until no one wants to debate anymore until the right is in power again left to try to bloat the government and spend with no regard for anyone or anything. Should she stay? IMO, it matters not to me. I can take or leave her. But, I know exactly what will happen.

If your not going to read the thread, address any of the points trying to be made, or try conveying your opinion in a respectful well presented way that isn't some diatribe on Republicans, FOX, or others who disagree with you, why bother posting? A pounding of the chest for the sake of showing your already closed mind? You don't care what anyone says in response, so why don't you save the planet and spare us the wasted bandwidth. Not everyone here can debate in a rationally manner I'll give you that, but if you want to just give up on logical debate or the exchange of different ideas, than I recommend trying working for a network the likes of FOX or blogging, rather than participating in a forum that is, for better or worse, a melting pot of different idea's meant to provoke some meaningful discussion.

Am I the only one sick of this kind of attitude by members on of both left and right?

Whatever it's probably a lost cause.

As to the thread I feel Nancy Pelosi is a threat to her party come 2010 barring some sort of gag order. Her constituents are pleased and really that's all it boils down to. She has a massive ego and she wouldn't resign, not only for herself, but because of the power vacuum such a move would create.

[Edited 2009-08-12 20:01:11]

Superfly · Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:24 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 38):
My Lord you like overeweight chubs and discriminate against older women?

Yep.
I like young chubbies. Big grin

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 38):
I didn't think Boxer was that old but she is an attractive professional woman.

Wow.
More power to you mate.
I've seen her in person several times. Mostly at election victory parties and other Democratic Party events here in San Francisco.

AeroWesty · Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:34 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 23):
the article is only tertiarily about Pelosi.

Really? The subtitle to the linked article is: "Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!"

Quoting D L X (Reply 23):
Again, this thread has taken a completely different tack from the article from the start since it did not talk about Pelosi much at all.

That's funny. No one mentioned anything about hating Pelosi until your post.

Quoting D L X (Reply 23):
BTW, I thought you had a lifetime ban or something. Welcome back.

Nope, and thank you! Smile

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 21):
I don't even need to read this thread. In fact, I have not. I can tell you EXACTLY what everyone will say.

Truest words in this entire thread so far. 18 months and nothing's changed. I was thinking that maybe I'd come home tonight and there'd be some discussion going regarding Pelosi's roll in the health care debate as Speaker of the House, but I don't see anything like that at all.

Guess there's no point in starting one if everyone's just going to yammer on about their feelings about Pelosi, rather than her role as stated in the article.

NIKV69 · Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:22 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
I've seen her in person several times. Mostly at election victory parties and other Democratic Party events here in San Francisco.

And? I remember she was in a Curb your enthusiam episode and looked quite doable.

Mir · Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:31 am

Quoting HOOB747 (Reply 32):
I can't lie. I hope she stays. There is something oddly attractive about her. I realize she is closer to 70 than 60, but hey, no pain, no gain, right?

Now that's just downright disturbing.... Wow!

-Mir

Alias1024 · Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:03 am

It makes no sense for the Democrats to replace Pelosi as Speaker with a moderate Democrat.

If a moderate is appointed to Speaker, the Republicans will paint him/her as a villain just as they have Pelosi. Since the moderates tend to come from more moderate/toss up districts, this now risks having the Speaker's district turn against them and vote him/her out. It would be quite embarrassing for the Democrats to have the Speaker of the House voted out by their own district. At least with Pelosi the Democrats can let the Republicans take their best shot at her and know she will still get reelected.

Now, if another liberal Democrat from a very liberal district wants to take a crack at the Speaker position, that's different. It might come down to whether that person would be more accommodating to President Obama's agenda or not.

AeroWesty · Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:14 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 44):
It might come down to whether that person would be more accommodating to President Obama's agenda or not.

Now that's an interesting point. In what ways do you feel Pelosi is less than accommodating to the President's agenda, or could do better to promote it?

Alias1024 · Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:32 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 45):
Now that's an interesting point. In what ways do you feel Pelosi is less than accommodating to the President's agenda, or could do better to promote it?

I guess that kinda came out wrong.

Honestly, I don't follow politics enough to give specific examples, however I'm sure there have been disagreements between the two on elements of legislation. There always will be. She may in fact be more accommodating than any other liberal Democrats. I just don't know and was simply trying to think of a reason other than a scandal to remove her as Speaker of the House.

AirframeAS · Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:19 am

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 26):
She is the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Oops! I don't know why I said Senate... My bad!

But still.....the chick has got to go!

Yellowstone · Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:22 pm

Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 36):
My point was her job is to run the House of Representatives, not just get the Presidents legislation passed. In fact, if that is all she did, then there would be a problem with the whole check and balance our government is supposed to have.

I see your point. If you look at their roles within the federal government, I agree with you that the Speaker of the House is independent from the President. However, with respect to their roles as Democratic Party leaders, Obama outranks Pelosi. As President, Obama is effectively the head of the party, and sets the party's legislative agenda. It's then Pelosi's responsibility as a Democratic leader to get that agenda through the House.

slider · Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:26 pm

She should go, absolutely.

Into the Marianas Trench, never to return. Smile

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