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Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:49 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szlLM5lCNJg

Wow, I mean Wow!!

Robert Langdon (Dan Brown) would be proud

Beck must realize that since he has lost most of his advertisers, and is probably on thin ice, that he has to spew as much of his crazy bull before he finally gets cut off.

This just goes off the deep end

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(edit: seems I cant get the title spelled right, seems when you spill juice on your keyboard it doesnt work quite as well as it used to)

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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:36 am

Talk about propaganda.... My God, what an embarassment to watch. People actually WATCH this toolshed for anything other than comedy value?

Particularly liked this comment to the video: "run out of post-1930 conspiracy theories?"
 
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:16 am

Holy crap that guy has lost his mind....

Seriously, spending close to nine minutes on this idiocy?  crazy 

At some point, Fox is going to have to pull the plug on this. It's one thing to promote a conservative viewpoint, but with this sort of crap Glenn Beck is heading into regions populated by those who think that 9/11 was an inside government job, that the moon landings were fabricated, and that fluoride in our water is really a communist attempt to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.

Quoting HercTech (Thread starter):
Robert Langdon (Dan Brown) would be proud

Well, except that Robert Langdon has actually spent time in symbology academia, and Glenn Beck hasn't. So I wouldn't exactly be looking to him for well-founded art interpretation.

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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:33 am

Ok in the video, he points to an image of Vladimir Lenin in Diego Rivera's (destroyed) Rockefeller lobby mural (it's called "Man at the Crossroads") but kind of fails to say that John D. Rockefeller had the mural removed because of that, so he kind of comes off looking loony.

This is why I don't pay attention to talk show news and don't follow politics on television. You get people like this from both sides of the spectrum and when one party is control do a few people come from the opposite side come out and scream. But he just seems crazy. I thought maybe this guy was drinking, but since I read his bio that he is a alcoholic, I know that's probably not it (although...)

Apparently he was in the news also lately because an internet group has started some rumor phony about him saying if he doesn't refute the detail it will show he did it.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:11 am



Quoting HercTech (Thread starter):
Beck must realize that since he has lost most of his advertisers, and is probably on thin ice, that he has to spew as much of his crazy bull before he finally gets cut off



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 1):
Talk about propaganda.... My God, what an embarassment to watch. People actually WATCH this toolshed for anything other than comedy value?

Hey your telling me MSNBC and CNN is not propaganda? Come on he is just playing the game and doing much better. Himself, O'Reilly, Hannity and Greta have destoyed everyone in the ratings and it's not even close. Remember cable news is not about politics, it's about getting people to watch.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:24 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Hey your telling me MSNBC and CNN is not propaganda?

This is about this tool, not MSNBC of CNN. See, that always seems to be the defense by the more hardcore Republicans whenever yet another completely off the wall, nutjob video like this gets posted: quickly change the subject.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Himself, O'Reilly, Hannity and Greta have destoyed everyone in the ratings and it's not even close.

In that case, if people like these get large audiences, and get taken seriously by many who watch them, that says an awful lot about many American people. And not good things.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Remember cable news is not about politics, it's about getting people to watch.

And there's the danger of the 'tyranny of the ratings': quality and simple facts don't count anymore, only ratings do. And it seems to have completely consumed and destroyed the American news media.
 
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:48 am

On both Thursday and Friday nights, Keith Obermann on his MSNBC show mocked and belittled Glenn Beck, using references to famous movie lines in a somewhat silly but devastating way to point out the absurdly of Beck's comments. He also pointed out that the building where Fox News (and parts of the Murdoch News Corp empire) are based and have been for over 20 years) is part of the Rockefeller Complex. KO also pointed out the outdated signs at the ground level of Fox News personalities (dating back to last fall) were finally changed overnight.
I used to work near and used to walk around and through the Rockefeller buildings and complex and saw much of the interesting and fine artwork that is part of it.
It looks like Beck has finally entered the highest levels of the wingnut realm and qualifying for a long vacation in the nut house.
 
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:30 pm

It is interesting that he talks about the Rivera Murals in New York that were lost.

We almost lost the Diego Rivera Detroit Industry Murals at the DIA for the same reason, but thankfully cooler heads prevailed. Since they were sponsored by Ford, he should come out here and tell the world that Ford was a Communist!

http://www.dia.org/education/rivera/info1.htm

Beck is just nuts, and I wonder who really believes him?
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:44 pm



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 7):
Beck is just nuts, and I wonder who really believes him?

Plenty of people, and that's what's crazy. Even crazy neocon Bush speechwriter David Frum said today that a lot of conservatives are trying to distance themselves in any way possible from the conspiracy theory junk that Beck is throwing out. Glenn Beck is certainly no Bill Bennett.  Yeah sure
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:02 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
It looks like Beck has finally entered the highest levels of the wingnut realm and qualifying for a long vacation in the nut house.

I thought it was interesting .... I thought it was interesting from the point of what Beck was doing. Basically Beck has been on-top of the Progressive movement , tracing it back to 1920' s America ...so on and so forth. Leading Progressives donated or commissioned the art and it now is displayed at 30Rock etc....

He is not saying to tear it down ..... he is just making the case that we have progressive communists in power in the US . Simple enough , and I agree we do. You can call Beck crazy all day long , and he may be ,,,,, but you cant change that mural ... and its message.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:19 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 9):
You can call Beck crazy all day long ,

OK - Beck is crazy.  Smile

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Remember cable news is not about politics, it's about getting people to watch.

Indeed it is - and it causes problems because lots of people don't realize that and take some of the tripe that's on there as gospel. And yes, it comes from both sides. Beck may just be a little more over the top than most others, so he stands out. I do think that most people do view him as an extremist.
 
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:29 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Himself, O'Reilly, Hannity and Greta have destoyed everyone in the ratings and it's not even close. Remember cable news is not about politics, it's about getting people to watch.

So stop complaining about the "Fairness Doctrine!" If these supposed "intelligent" people will watch only Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and Greta, what is to stop them from turning off the TV when a moderate or left-winger comes on? What are they all hiding that the right is so upset with the thought of putting an opposing viewpoint on?

Besides all that, the right routinely complains about the "liberal, mainstream" media and how the "liberal, mainstream" media is deciding what news to put out and the "liberal, mainstream" media is controlling the news. Well, you just pointed out that these right-wing talking heads have higher ratings than anyone, so, they must be the "mainstream" since the "mainstream" is what is popular. Therefore, the right is complaining about themselves!
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:01 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 9):
he is just making the case that we have progressive communists in power in the US .

...and precisely that is reason enough to cosider him to be completely off his rocker.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 9):
I agree we do

You're joking, right? Communists? Seriously? I mean, social democrats, OK, I can see that, and that's a good thing IMO, but no politician currently in power in the U.S. comes even remotely close to being communist. It's the typical 'commies under the bed' scaremongering tactics which I assumed only the, ahum, 'slightly more challenged' people still bought into...
 
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:10 pm

Everyone knows that Glenn Beck is a moron, i've been saying it for a while and, as I said before, it's only a matter of time before Faux cuts him off. The guy has on of the fakest ability to convince people I have ever seen. I truly believe he is a spawn of Rush Limbaugh and that's not good for anyone.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 9):
I thought it was interesting .... I thought it was interesting from the point of what Beck was doing. Basically Beck has been on-top of the Progressive movement , tracing it back to 1920' s America ...so on and so forth. Leading Progressives donated or commissioned the art and it now is displayed at 30Rock etc....

He is not saying to tear it down ..... he is just making the case that we have progressive communists in power in the US . Simple enough , and I agree we do. You can call Beck crazy all day long , and he may be ,,,,, but you cant change that mural ... and its message.

Oh man you can't see it can you? Everything these right wing guys come up with, their audience finds a way to explain it which makes no sense whatsoever. The right wing in this country is in BIG trouble man. A few more years and there will be no right wing, and guess what? It's these radical conservatives like Beck and Limbaugh that are making it so. We have communists in power in the U.S.? can you prove that. How can you prove that? Beck is trying to take us back to the U.S.S.R/communist scare back in the cold war. This guy is nuts.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:42 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 14):
It's these radical conservatives like Beck and Limbaugh that are making it so. We have communists in power in the U.S.?

Only a few years ago, we were in fear of the terrorists. Now, we are in fear of the socialists/communitst/Nazi/facists/Democrats. Fear. That is their whole motivation. Since the whole "terrorist" fear has faded, they need something else to scare their base. There is nothing to suggest any of these people are actually socialist, et al. "Look at his voting record" they say about Obama. Gee.... He voted party lines: Democrat. What a shock. A Democrat voting for Democratic sponsored bills. Yet, when a Republican votes party lines, that is patriotic and all that America stands for? WTF is that all about? Ever since people like Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly and the rest of the right-wing talking heads came on the scene, they have had nothing but hatred for anyone on the left. They have done nothing by try to make this country a one-party nation and that party is Republican. Any other political party is wrong and unacceptable and un-American, according to them. It is all about hatred and fear anymore. The sooner the bobble-heads following these people understand that, the sooner we can move this nation forward. Until then, nothing can get done.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:51 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
On both Thursday and Friday nights, Keith Obermann on his MSNBC show mocked and belittled Glenn Beck

I wonder how many people actually saw that? scratchchin 

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 8):
Glenn Beck is certainly no Bill Bennett.

Nope, he certainly isn't but then I would have to wonder what kind of ratings Bill Bennet would draw?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 11):
what is to stop them from turning off the TV when a moderate or left-winger comes on?

Nothing, check out MSNBC or NBC news, ABC news, or CBS's news cume ratings.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 11):
What are they all hiding that the right is so upset with the thought of putting an opposing viewpoint on?

Nothing wrong with putting on an opposing viewpoint, when it can pay it's own way. There is everything wrong in forcing a station or network to put on something that has demonstrated (see MSNBC, NBC news, CBS news) that it will lose money. How about we force newspapers to print columnists they don't want too? That pesky first amendment, always getting in the way isn't it?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 11):
Well, you just pointed out that these right-wing talking heads have higher ratings than anyone, so, they must be the "mainstream" since the "mainstream" is what is popular. Therefore, the right is complaining about themselves!

Against any one of the liberal outlets it shines. Cumulatively? Different story.

I don't watch Becks show because I just don't think he is very entertaining and his explanation are usually to convoluted to follow. That being said, those who say:

Quoting HercTech (Thread starter):
Beck must realize that since he has lost most of his advertisers

don't seem to realize that there are more advertisers out there that will jump in and pay their money. I think Rush Limbaugh has "lost" all his advertisers 8 or 10 times now and yet he's still making huge money.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 15):
Fear. That is their whole motivation

You mean like "evil" insurance companies, or "mobsters" at town hall meetings carrying swastikas and such?
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:57 pm

You know Glenn Beck is way out in the boonies when he says that 30 Rock is designed and is full of communist art work.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:03 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 16):
I don't watch Becks show because I just don't think he is very entertaining and his explanation are usually to convoluted to follow.

In other words, he's not funny and he's boring. Well, at least you used a derivative of the verb "entertain" rather than "report" or "investigate." But I can't help but wonder how many millions of people think of Glenn Beck the same way policy wonks think of, say, "Meet the Press."
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:36 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 19):
The "Fair and Balanced" moniker applies to their news department, not pundit shows such as this one.

Too bad they apply it to Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, and Greta....

Quoting DXing (Reply 16):
You mean like "evil" insurance companies,

I have not heard that, but I am sure you have been holding on to one quote from one left-wing taking head that says exactly that.

Quoting DXing (Reply 16):
"mobsters" at town hall meetings carrying swastikas and such?

You have had your head buried in the sand again, obviously.

Quoting DXing (Reply 16):
Against any one of the liberal outlets it shines. Cumulatively? Different story.

So, the facts change, now, because you want them to. Just keep changing and spinning until you win.

Quoting DXing (Reply 16):
How about we force newspapers to print columnists they don't want too?

Papers already pring columnists with all different viewpoints. NYT, LA Times (both spat upon by conservatives for being products of the "evil" socialist/Demcratic agenda) routinely print conservative columnists. What is your point? Wouldn't it be evil and wrong for news organizations to show opposing views? Yeah, I suppose it would. It would cut into the conservative fear base, where opposing views are not allowed.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:50 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 21):
where opposing views are not allowed.

False. Opposing viewpoints and opinions are prominent on many of the conservative talk shows and TV programs I watch and listen to.

The most interesting parts of these conservative leaning shows is when people with opposing view points are allowed to present their point of view.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 21):
I have not heard that

Log on to DemocraticUnderground.com.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 21):
You have had your head buried in the sand again, obviously.

Log on to DemocraticUnderground.com.
 
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:23 pm

Would you say the Rockefeller's were a powerful American family ? I didn't mean to imply that our entire government IS communist or socialist .... but there are those in power who defiantly lean that way. And they openly support our new administration both with cash and a propaganda arm in MSNBC.

So why have a Mural made for Mussolini put up at all ? For the Artistic value ? I get it ..but of all the wonderful art produced over mans history they pick these specific pieces ? And this Diego Rivera guy ??? He is a communist and frankly hates America. So why choose his art huh ?

Hey , its a valid question ... that's all.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 17):
You know Glenn Beck is way out in the boonies when he says that 30 Rock is designed and is full of communist art work.

Why ? I was at 30R not long ago... And I enjoyed it ...its a beautiful place. But the murals and art work just reminded me of the "workers " movement with grand visions of struggling workers performing mighty tasks .... it was a common theme in communist state commissioned artwork..... just my opinion so don't hyperventilate . And that was before ever seeing or hearing Beck...
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:14 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 21):
Too bad they apply it to Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, and Greta....

The indivudual hosts may say that but the network never advertises their shows as "fair and balanced.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 21):
I have not heard that, but I am sure you have been holding on to one quote from one left-wing taking head that says exactly that.

My mistake, immoral and villains, that's how the Speaker of the House has described them.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25651.html

The public option — that’s where the insurance companies are making their attacks — it’s almost immoral what they are doing,” said Pelosi, addressing reporters outside her office.
“Of course, they’ve been immoral all along,” she added. “They are the villains in this. They have been part of the problem in a major way.


Quoting Seb146 (Reply 21):
You have had your head buried in the sand again, obviously.

Evidently Code Pink hasn't, they're giving kudos to the town hallers.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26607.html

We caught up with Benjamin recently, and she had some nice things to say about her political counterparts:
"I think they've been effective in making this a real national debate, and that's healthy," said Benjamin. "It has opened up the debate."


A sad day when you're own leftie group applauds those damn mobsters eh?  rotfl 

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 21):
So, the facts change, now, because you want them to. Just keep changing and spinning until you win.

What facts? The charge has always been that the mainstream press is liberal, that has not changed. Just because Fox beats the tar out of CNN and MSNBC doesn't mean that the sum total of all the liberal media doesn't outweight Fox. That's simple math.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 21):
Papers already pring columnists with all different viewpoints. NYT, LA Times (both spat upon by conservatives for being products of the "evil" socialist/Demcratic agenda) routinely print conservative columnists.

Because they want too, now what if they were forced too? That is essentially your argument, that broadcast stations should be forced to air material they would not ordinarily broadcast because it doesn't sell. And if they don't they should be forced to stop broadcasting what they know does sell.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 21):
What is your point? Wouldn't it be evil and wrong for news organizations to show opposing views?

Because news shows are supposed to be unbaised. Plenty of "entertainment" shows have both conservative and liberal view points. As usual you are confusing the two either on purpose or because of your total lack of understanding in the difference between the two.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:07 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):
And this Diego Rivera guy ???

One of the most celebrated artists of the 20th century.

He also painted a mural at the American Stock Exchange Luncheon Club. I guess the Amex must be a commie run organization too.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):
So why have a Mural made for Mussolini

Beck again let me say this very clearly BECK said it was il Duce. That is his interpretation. It does not say that or imply that any other way.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):
He is a communist and frankly hates America.

Really. Hates America. Prove such stupid statements with facts.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):
it was a common theme in communist state

It was also a common theme in this country during the depression. Check out any WPA works and you will see a similar theme.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):
. And that was before ever seeing or hearing Beck...

That I don't believe.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:07 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 9):
he is just making the case that we have progressive communists in power in the US . Simple enough , and I agree we do.



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 25):
It's posts like this that make people not even respond to you. Which I will not.

And it's posts like the one above yours here that embody the gradual corrosion of whatever political credibility the GOP has left.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:12 pm

Oh, and BTW, Beck got it wrong. Rockefeller asked for changes which ended with the murals removal.

"Rockefeller showed his concern over Rivera including a portrait of the Russian revolutionary leader in his mural. Nelson Rockefeller told Rivera that while the portrait was beautifully painted, it might easily offend a great many people. He asked the painter to remove Lenin’s face and substitute it with some unknown man. Rivera’s assistants told him that if he removed the head of Lenin, they would go on strike. Rivera agreed with his assistants and told Rockefeller that Lenin’s head would stay but that he would be glad to add the head of some great American leader, such as Lincoln, to another section of the mural.

As both sides could not reach an agreement, he was ordered to stop and the painting was covered and destroyed in February of 1934."

So, guess Beck didn't do his Art History 101 homework.


http://www.diego-rivera.org/rockefellercontroversy.html



Here you will find what he believed to be his best work:

http://www.synthescape.com/rivera_court/

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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:18 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):

You didn't completely read it I was saying, Glen Beck is nuts for insinuating that 30 Rock has communist architecture "'being way out in the boonies" figuratively means he's nut and a conspiracy theorist.

The 30 Rock architecture is Art Deco, it was a popular form of architecture at the time when the building was made.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:57 pm



Quoting National757 (Reply 22):
The most interesting parts of these conservative leaning shows is when people with opposing view points are allowed to present their point of view.

A typical "exchange" on these FOX shows goes:

Host: Wouldn't you agree?
Guest: No, because....
Host: What do you meant no? That just shows what a liberal you are and how you are not willing to listen and help with the problem.... blahblahblahblahblah.....

And so on by the host until "We're out of time." That is how they "show" the opposing point of view. I watch O'Reilly and Hannity. I know. At least on MSNBC, the host lets two sentences out before inturrupting.

Quoting DXing (Reply 24):
Evidently Code Pink hasn't, they're giving kudos to the town hallers.

It's funny I have not heard of Code Pink until the health care debate came up. I guess I need to research them to find out why they are hated by the right so much.

Quoting DXing (Reply 24):
The charge has always been that the mainstream press is liberal, that has not changed. Just because Fox beats the tar out of CNN and MSNBC doesn't mean that the sum total of all the liberal media doesn't outweight Fox.

Really? The "mainstream" is liberal? With all the fanfare and cheerleading for the GOP over the past 10 or 15 years by the "mainstream" media? Really?

One of the things that Democrats take up is the environment. Those of us that listen to liberal talk radio have been hearing about a floating island of garbage in the Pacific Ocean for a couple of years. My partner was shocked to hear this story from the "mainstream" media just last week. If the media were "liberal" we would have heard about this for some time.

Torture by American contractors and CIA in Iraq and Guantanimo. There have been charges for years that has happened. They were touched on by "mainstream" media with the caveat it was all speculation. Now, it looks like it was true.

But, since FOX is not part of the "mainstream" media, as you charge, why would they report on anything like that? That does not sell, I guess.

Quoting DXing (Reply 24):
Because they want too, now what if they were forced too?

Who says they are not forced to? Who says they are not inherently conservative, but print liberal op-ed pieces that simply get a rise out of the right?

Quoting DXing (Reply 24):
Because news shows are supposed to be unbaised.

Tell that to FOX when they "report" on anything going on within the Democratic party, only to make these "reports" sound like the further unravelling of freedom and deomcracy and America. "Fair and balanced" No one will ever convince me that sums up FOX.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:15 am



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 20):
But the murals and art work just reminded me of the "workers " movement with grand visions of struggling workers performing mighty tasks .... it was a common theme in communist state commissioned artwork.....

Isn't it one of the most basic principles of conservatives that the common man, if they work hard, is capable of achieving great things? Just because communist governments emphasized it doesn't mean that we should shun it. By that logic, we should be de-emphasizing math and science in our schools, but that makes no sense at all.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 24):
So, guess Beck didn't do his Art History 101 homework.

To be fair, I don't think he ever took Art History 101, so he wouldn't have had any homework to do.

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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:37 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 26):
It's funny I have not heard of Code Pink until the health care debate came up.

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Quoting Seb146 (Reply 26):
Really? The "mainstream" is liberal? With all the fanfare and cheerleading for the GOP over the past 10 or 15 years by the "mainstream" media? Really?

Examples? I suppose you mean the cheerleading contained within Dan Rathers charges just 15 days before a national election?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 26):
Who says they are not forced to?

The Constitution says they are not forced to but a return to the "fairness" doctrine would immediately force broadcasters to alter, against their will, their broadcast schedules.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 26):
Tell that to FOX when they "report" on anything going on within the Democratic party, only to make these "reports" sound like the further unravelling of freedom and deomcracy and America. "Fair and balanced" No one will ever convince me that sums up FOX.

As with myself when you talk about NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN to includ HLN, MSNBC, NPR, Bloomberg, AP, Time, Newsweek, NYT, and the Washington Post just to name a few.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:50 am

All these shows are just that, shows. They are the Scandal Sheets of the TV world. I cannot watch them anymore, they will tear down anything to get publicity. There was a show called "Can you top this" years ago. That is what we now have in this jungle of trash called Cable News. Talk Radio turns my stomach, it really draws the "Crazies"
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:54 am



Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 23):
And it's posts like the one above yours here that embody the gradual corrosion of whatever political credibility the GOP has left

Really ? I walked though 30 Rock was struck by the theme of the artwork .... and that is somehow corrosive to a national political party? And I don't really care about the GOP anyway ..I have my opinions just because you don't like em ... oh well.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):
Really. Hates America. Prove such stupid statements with facts.

Ya ... just ponder his work for a while ... I realize art is in the eye of the beholder ..but "Amerika" is in there and its usually not a positive picture...

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 20):
don't hyperventilate



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):
It was also a common theme in this country during the depression. Check out any WPA works and you will see a similar theme.

You mean the New Deal era ... exactly correct..
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:12 am



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 30):
Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 23):
And it's posts like the one above yours here that embody the gradual corrosion of whatever political credibility the GOP has left

Really ? I walked though 30 Rock was struck by the theme of the artwork .... and that is somehow corrosive to a national political party?

Too bad you didn't read the actual citation of your post in question, which had nothing to do with 30 Rock.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 30):
I have my opinions

And I mine. That's usually how free speech works.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 30):
just because you don't like em ... oh well.

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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:14 pm

Wait a minute:

Quoting Mir (Reply 27):
Isn't it one of the most basic principles of conservatives that the common man, if they work hard, is capable of achieving great things?



Quoting Mir (Reply 27):
Just because communist governments emphasized it doesn't mean that we should shun it.

That sounds familiar. Like what the right in this country has been touting for decades now? Work hard and you can achieve anything you want? But, the right can not be the Communists, because the right is always calling the Democrats communist....

Quoting DXing (Reply 28):
Examples? I suppose you mean the cheerleading contained within Dan Rathers charges just 15 days before a national election?

One person one time on one network. Ken Starr on the TV every day during the Clinton administration announcing he still had not found anything to bring down the Clinton administration until Monica.

How about Swift Boaters? All these right wing bobble heads that "support the troops" but, since Kerry was a Democrat and a few guys had some story about a WAR VETERAN who just happens to be a Democrat, that won out over the fact that Bush had gone AWOL from his Alabama guard unit, which he served in instead of serving in Vietnam. Swift Boaters were all over the news.

What about that election? How much air time was devoted to Bush as opposed to all the time devoted to the people of Ohio who were not allowed to vote because either their name was similar to that of a convicted felon or because they were standing in the rain for up to 8 hours, some not being allowed to vote?

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Quoting DXing (Reply 28):
The Constitution says they are not forced to but a return to the "fairness" doctrine would immediately force broadcasters to alter, against their will, their broadcast schedules.

That never seemed to be a problem for 200 years. Newspapers never had a problem with simply reporting the political news. But, now, it is a huge problem? I don't understand how reporting both sides of the political news is such a burden. Oh, that's right. Because media, like health care, is completely for-profit and has absolutly nothing to do with the consumer. They just want to please an elite few instead of giving the masses what they need.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:04 pm

Hate to get back on the subject of Glenn Beck here guys, but seems like he's been correct on Van Jones as he "quit" today. Of course Van Jones replies "On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me," Jones said in a resignation letter that was released to the media."

Playing your own statements on audio and video, showing YOUR signature on 9/11 truth-er statements, certainly is just a smear campaign. Right. Smear campaign.

Story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090906/..._nm/us_obama_environment_adviser_2


You see, here is the problem. This stuff about Van Jones was out there all the time and no one in the main stream media ever bothered to check it out. Here comes a Fox broadcaster and finds the truth and instead of wondering why no one else is saying this and the left instantly jumps on Beck as nothing more than an ex-drug user/drunk. THAT alone should open your eyes. How is it someone with little formal education and a past like he's had can find something while others either don't or choose to ignore it.

Oh, and for those of you screaming this is the end of him on fox, as in:

Quoting HercTech (Thread starter):

Beck must realize that since he has lost most of his advertisers, and is probably on thin ice, that he has to spew as much of his crazy bull before he finally gets cut off.



Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
At some point, Fox is going to have to pull the plug on this.



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 13):
Everyone knows that Glenn Beck is a moron, I've been saying it for a while and, as I said before, it's only a matter of time before Faux cuts him off.

One of their biggest names just took out one of the biggest "adviser" to the President. You think he's going to get kicked off the job? Really? You can hope it all you want, but there is no way this network is going to remove such a big name after he just gives Obama one of his biggest black eyes in his 8 month old term.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:36 pm



Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 33):
One of their biggest names just took out one of the biggest "adviser" to the President.

Calling Jones one of Obama's biggest advisors is a massive overstatement.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:51 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 32):
One person one time on one network.

The list is long and nefarious, I could keep going but I knew that you would reply with the likes of:

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 32):
Ken Starr on the TV every day during the Clinton administration announcing he still had not found anything to bring down the Clinton administration until Monica.



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 32):
How about Swift Boaters?

Which of those is a "news reporter". My favorite so far:

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 32):
What about that election?

What about that election? Is it a news reporter? The old tired tactic of "When I can't refute the facts I'll just start throwing as much s--t out there as possible".

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 32):
That never seemed to be a problem for 200 years.

 yawn  When you get up to speed on the difference between print and broadcast rules come on back so we can have an informed conversation.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 33):
Hate to get back on the subject of Glenn Beck here guys, but seems like he's been correct on Van Jones as he "quit" today.

Poor poor Van Jones, so misunderstood.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:11 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 35):
When you get up to speed on the difference between print and broadcast rules come on back so we can have an informed conversation

Bait and switch on your part. Before, you were saying how "liberal" NYT and LA Times are, but, now you want to only focus on broadcast media. Fine. Television did not take part in smear campaigns for ratings until the late 1980s, as did radio. But, feel free to switch the argument to suit your needs again.

Quoting DXing (Reply 35):
The old tired tactic of "When I can't refute the facts I'll just start throwing as much s--t out there as possible".

I know. Sad when facts get in the way, isn't it? Go ahead and change your argument again so you can make yourself seem like the best person ever and I am the most evil person ever. Bullies never give up....
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:11 pm



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 34):
Calling Jones one of Obama's biggest advisor is a massive overstatement.

Oh. Sorry, I must have mistakenly heard the President talk about "Green Jobs." I thought it was a cornerstone to his economic recovery plan. I must have misunderstood him the 1000's of times he said he was going to get this economy going with green jobs. Hum. I guess if the "green job adviser" isn't really that important, as you say, then I must be misinterpreting how this president thinks he's going to advance the job pool of this country then.

Maybe Beck should go pick on Reverend Wright a little more... Oh wait, Obama didn't listen to him either. Yea.. his Reverend, the guy who married him & his wife, and baptized his kids. Wasn't that important to Obama either.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:38 pm



Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 37):
Maybe Beck should go pick on Reverend Wright a little more... Oh wait, Obama didn't listen to him either. Yea.. his Reverend, the guy who married him & his wife, and baptized his kids. Wasn't that important to Obama either.

I am amazed how often Obama can change his stripes and have no one in the Non-Fox mainstream media call him on it.

Like or not.. you have to respect the way Barack, Michelle, Axelrod, Emmanuel, Reid and Pelosi play the game. I do not agree with their policies or their vision for America but they certainly know how to play the game and they play it VERY well.

They will be writing about this administration in future Political Science textbooks.. no doubt about that.
 
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:46 pm



Quoting National757 (Reply 38):
I am amazed how often Obama can change his stripes and have no one in the Non-Fox mainstream media call him on it

What, like separating church and state? Like separating someone's politics from that of a preacher? Like separating a preacher from a politician? For the main stream, this was not as big of a story because it did not inflame the mass of the viewers: the right wing.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:57 pm

On a strictly non-partisan note, I'd like to suggest that the mods open up a separate Van Jones thread for ease of commentary -- given that this thread is on Beck's riff on the 30 rock artwork and Jones is probably gonna shift over and be the main issue now.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:24 pm

Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 40):
On a strictly non-partisan note, I'd like to suggest that the mods open up a separate Van Jones thread for ease of commentary -- given that this thread is on Beck's riff on the 30 rock artwork and Jones is probably gonna shift over and be the main issue now.

Maybe. Maybe not.. if you look at ALL of this, the Rockefeller artwork, the Reverend, Van Jones, Acorn, etc, etc, etc. It all ties together. It's one big network to push socialism. It all belongs here. OP starts the thread as Beck being a "Symbologist." Well, to me, Van Jones is a symbol, of what Obama wants to transform this country into.

But hey, if you want to start a thread entitled "Glenn Beck Was 100% Correct About Van Jones, What About That All You Critics?" then I'm all for that too...

[Edited 2009-09-06 14:25:39]
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:36 pm



Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 33):
One of their biggest names just took out one of the biggest "adviser" to the President. You think he's going to get kicked off the job? Really? You can hope it all you want, but there is no way this network is going to remove such a big name after he just gives Obama one of his biggest black eyes in his 8 month old term.

Oh, don't you miss the days where it was incredibly wrong and un-American for the media to have an agenda?  Yeah sure

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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:46 pm



Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 41):
Maybe. Maybe not.. if you look at ALL of this, the Rockefeller artwork, the Reverend, Van Jones, Acorn, etc, etc, etc. It all ties together. It's one big network to push socialism.

Uh-huh. While you're at it, check out Louis Farrakhan's breakdown of the significance of the Washington Monument during the Million Man March. Sounds like your cup of tea.

The story of the day is Van Jones resigning. If I wanted to post on Van Jones, I'm gonna look for the Van Jones Resigns thread...not Glenn Beck.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:43 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 42):

Oh, don't you miss the days where it was incredibly wrong and un-American for the media to have an agenda?

It's NOT an agenda if its the truth. Please explain to me why no one else wants to report this.. Well, I did see something Friday night on ABC News at 6:30..... I guess that was the final straw for the White House.. when it popped up on one of the big three and was going to be discussed on the Sunday shows, well then that was too much.

See again, there is the point. Beck first started reporting on Van Jones 14 days ago from tomorrow, (Monday)... it took almost 2 weeks before it became big. And only after that did the WH and/or Van Jones take action...

Seems to me if there *is* and agenda, it's to COVER the true plan of where Obama wants to take this country. So, yes, as you say, "Oh, don't you miss the days where it was incredibly wrong and un-American for the media to have an agenda?" The thing is that you're not seeing the agenda of covering up the Obama plan.

Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 43):
The story of the day is Van Jones resigning. If I wanted to post on Van Jones, I'm gonna look for the Van Jones Resigns thread...not Glenn Beck.

well, like I said, you're always free to start one...
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:13 am



Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 44):
It's NOT an agenda if its the truth.

A lot of the stuff that the media reported about Bush was true too, and they still got accused of having an agenda.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 44):
Beck first started reporting on Van Jones 14 days ago from tomorrow, (Monday)... it took almost 2 weeks before it became big.

Which says something about how influential Beck is (not very). Perhaps if he didn't waste his time on stupid stuff like art critique, he might be more respectable, and more people would take him seriously instead of treating him like the boy who keeps crying wolf.

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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:48 pm



Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 41):
Maybe. Maybe not.. if you look at ALL of this, the Rockefeller artwork, the Reverend, Van Jones, Acorn, etc, etc, etc. It all ties together. It's one big network to push socialism.

Where's that picture of the guy in the tinfoil hat when you need it? I mean, seriously, a 'network to push socialism'?? Again, more illuistration that the old 'commies under the bed' scaretactics are not just still alive, but actually still find an audience...
 
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:00 pm

Just when you thought he couldn't get further out  Yeah sure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo5Sm9poKTw

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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:07 pm



Quoting HercTech (Thread starter):
Beck must realize that since he has lost most of his advertisers, and is probably on thin ice, that he has to spew as much of his crazy bull before he finally gets cut off.

Many of his advertisers got scared off by a write-in campaign led by Color of Change - Van Jones' group. Aparantly they felt it was not a good idea to upset this administration and get involved witha a black group against a white man. Bad for business. Sad, but I can't fault the advertisers. I fault Color of Change for attempting to silence views they don't agree with.

Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 43):
The story of the day is Van Jones resigning. If I wanted to post on Van Jones, I'm gonna look for the Van Jones Resigns thread...not Glenn Beck.

Sorry, but it is very relevant, as the Van Jones incident proved Beck's central point, which is that Obama is appointing communists and radicals to leading policy-making posts in his administration, that they know about (and therefore appove of) their radical views and pasts (Obama and his friends have been following Van Jones' career for over a decade - they know who and what he is), and know that if their true agenda is made public it will be disasterous. They know Americans do not want to overthrow our capitalist system.
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RE: Glenn Beck The Symbologist

Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:26 pm



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 47):
Just when you thought he couldn't get further out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo5Sm...poKTw

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