|Quoting D L X (Reply 23):|
I think that's a reasonable argument with reasonable responses. How is an undocumented worker going to get benefits without an SSN?
If you do not verify the validity of the SSN
then it will be no better than current employer check systems. A simple system needs to be put in place that wil verify the person providing the SSN
is the correct person. I don't think you can ever deny immediate emergent care but a check is needed for continued care.
My question still stands: How does Europe and other nations with universal healthcare address the issue?
|Quoting Slider (Reply 24):|
I believe that health care is not a right. I think that for the estimated 30M people without it, that that’s not on the surface a problem since you’ve got people who voluntarily don’t have it or don’t want it. I think that for less than 10% of the US population it’s not worth scrapping the entire existing system. I think that there are tangible real steps to improve the costs involved in health care, reforming some insurance regulations, major tort reform and so forth.
The failure in your thinking is that you can allow ten percent of your house to fail and it will have no effect as 90% of your house remains intact. But how safe, how comfortable, and how viable is your house investment if 10% is missing or damaged?
The 10% of the population is a huge carrier of diseases and is a drag on the economy and destroys lives as people who can not work must resort to other measures to live.
|Quoting AGM100 (Reply 26):|
So will you say the same for....
Ted Kennedy , Al Gore , Hillary Clinton , Harry Reid , Jack Murtha , John Kerry , Barney Frank , C Dodd , Feinstien , Boxer , Obama , Waters , ....all of them called a President a liar many of them multiple times.
Absolutely! Of course I would, but to my knowledge none of them interrupted a President delivering a speech.
|Quoting AGM100 (Reply 26):|
At first I was uncomfortable with Wilsons outburst ..but now I am happy he did it.
Well I am uncomfortable with it. I do not want our Congress to devolve into the chaos that you see on Youtube of some of the Korean(?) sessions and I certainly don;t want to see it devolve into the crap we have seen in the healthcare debate where people are shouting down others. That is not debate, that is shouting. I do not disagree with question and debate sessions such as the British Parliament has where the members get to "get into it" with the PM
. I do disagree with stupidity, bullying, and a lack of decorum at inappropriate times. .
|Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 28):|
So, I guess you feel the same way about the shoe tosser now as well?
Rep. Wilson was essentially the same as the shoe tosser. I disagree with what the shoe tosser did as well, it was simply wrong and inappropriate and poorly represented his nation. The glaringly obvious difference though is that he was not elected to his post to represent his and carry his constituents concerns and needs to be addressed and included in the national discussion. Rep. Wilson is and knows (should) better (and he does as his prompt apology indicates).
He did back down, he apologized. And quickly. He knew his actions were wrong. Now he may have a point but he has achieved making it in the wrong way. I disagree that we are now giving him more attention as it will just lead others to do the same. He should be shunned for some period of time.
[Edited 2009-09-10 14:37:15]